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Christians (Past & Present) ~ What Is Your Source?

 
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POLL: What are the sources you use in rendering God's Creation for yourself?
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If God created everything, is it better to have a narrow or broad perspective of Creation?


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The question is irrelevant. I can not render Gods Creation.

However, God Himself is my teacher and His text book is The Bible.

Even to have a "Perspective" of CREATION is broad in its self.
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I that live, but Christ now lives in me and the life I live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
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Should have had both for experiences and the Bible . +1
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The question is irrelevant. I can not render Gods Creation.

However, God Himself is my teacher and His text book is The Bible.

Even to have a "Perspective" of CREATION is broad in its self.
 Quoting: daretospeak



Perhaps you cannot render God's Creation in its entirety, but you do render it from your own unique perspective.


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The question is irrelevant. I can not render Gods Creation.

However, God Himself is my teacher and His text book is The Bible.

Even to have a "Perspective" of CREATION is broad in its self.
 Quoting: daretospeak



Perhaps you cannot render God's Creation in its entirety, but you do render it from your own unique perspective.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


How is it possible to render, i.e. (portray or depict) anything of Gods? The only possible way to do so is with one three letter word...wow. and even that word is insufficient.

Am I misunderstanding you?
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I that live, but Christ now lives in me and the life I live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
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Should have had both for experiences and the Bible . +1
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It's an option. thumbs


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If God created everything, is it better to have a narrow or broad perspective of Creation?


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But God DID NOT create everything - is the catch thereby.

'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' Matthew 13:27
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Should have had both for experiences and the Bible . +1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1524659


It's an option. thumbs


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Goofy Thum
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The question is irrelevant. I can not render Gods Creation.

However, God Himself is my teacher and His text book is The Bible.

Even to have a "Perspective" of CREATION is broad in its self.
 Quoting: daretospeak



Perhaps you cannot render God's Creation in its entirety, but you do render it from your own unique perspective.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


How is it possible to render, i.e. (portray or depict) anything of Gods? The only possible way to do so is with one three letter word...wow. and even that word is insufficient.

Am I misunderstanding you?
 Quoting: daretospeak


What if I were able to download your understanding of the reality around you, the way YOU see it, from your mind?

So that it could be studied like a model or a rendering?


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The question is irrelevant. I can not render Gods Creation.

However, God Himself is my teacher and His text book is The Bible.

Even to have a "Perspective" of CREATION is broad in its self.
 Quoting: daretospeak



Perhaps you cannot render God's Creation in its entirety, but you do render it from your own unique perspective.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


How is it possible to render, i.e. (portray or depict) anything of Gods? The only possible way to do so is with one three letter word...wow. and even that word is insufficient.

Am I misunderstanding you?
 Quoting: daretospeak


What if I were able to download your understanding of the reality around you, the way YOU see it, from your mind?

So that it could be studied like a model or a rendering?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


In that case, primarily, it would be Gods guiding and prompting that has lead me to interpret everything arround me from the prospective of His Spirit. (As though I was viewing my reality from Gods eyes) (albeit very dimly.)
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I that live, but Christ now lives in me and the life I live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
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If God created everything, is it better to have a narrow or broad perspective of Creation?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


But God DID NOT create everything - is the catch thereby.

'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' Matthew 13:27
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


You have the questions. Where are the answers?

'Sir' = God?


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ooops I meant perspective, not "prospective". Is that even a word lol.
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I that live, but Christ now lives in me and the life I live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
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If God created everything, is it better to have a narrow or broad perspective of Creation?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


But God DID NOT create everything - is the catch thereby.

'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' Matthew 13:27
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


You have the questions. Where are the answers?

'Sir' = God?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


By now everyone should know the bible by himself already. Read it on your own.

[link to bible.cc]
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Perhaps you cannot render God's Creation in its entirety, but you do render it from your own unique perspective.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


How is it possible to render, i.e. (portray or depict) anything of Gods? The only possible way to do so is with one three letter word...wow. and even that word is insufficient.

Am I misunderstanding you?
 Quoting: daretospeak


What if I were able to download your understanding of the reality around you, the way YOU see it, from your mind?

So that it could be studied like a model or a rendering?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


In that case, primarily, it would be Gods guiding and prompting that has lead me to interpret everything arround me from the prospective of His Spirit. (As though I was viewing my reality from Gods eyes) (albeit very dimly.)
 Quoting: daretospeak


You use the word 'dimly', which infers light. That's an interesting word to choose. Is there a way to have control on how much light is cast on our perpsective of Creation?

Does more of the correct information yield more light?


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How is it possible to render, i.e. (portray or depict) anything of Gods? The only possible way to do so is with one three letter word...wow. and even that word is insufficient.

Am I misunderstanding you?
 Quoting: daretospeak


What if I were able to download your understanding of the reality around you, the way YOU see it, from your mind?

So that it could be studied like a model or a rendering?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


In that case, primarily, it would be Gods guiding and prompting that has lead me to interpret everything arround me from the prospective of His Spirit. (As though I was viewing my reality from Gods eyes) (albeit very dimly.)
 Quoting: daretospeak


You use the word 'dimly', which infers light. That's an interesting word to choose. Is there a way to have control on how much light is cast on our perpsective of Creation?

Does more of the correct information yield more light?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


You have rightly said, however...it must be noted also that in the seeking of "correct information" the desire to know truth is paramount.

For from that desire, information is correctly given freely.
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I that live, but Christ now lives in me and the life I live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
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If God created everything, is it better to have a narrow or broad perspective of Creation?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


But God DID NOT create everything - is the catch thereby.

'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' Matthew 13:27
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


You have the questions. Where are the answers?


 Quoting: BOWMAN



Here OP-

39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. (Matt 13)





And, here is the answer to your original question:

... the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. (2 Cor 3)




:)






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If God created everything, is it better to have a narrow or broad perspective of Creation?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


But God DID NOT create everything - is the catch thereby.

'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' Matthew 13:27
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


You have the questions. Where are the answers?

'Sir' = God?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


By now everyone should know the bible by himself already. Read it on your own.

[link to bible.cc]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Now THAT would be an interesting reality to live in, where everyone would have read the Bible. And that reality seems to exist in your mind AC.

Wouldn't the interpretation part of it still be a problem though? I mean, if EVERYONE read it you would have a multitude of interpretations, would you not?


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IMO, is better to have a narrow perspective, in the fact the we have to acknowledge that *we can't know God's mind* because what is, is what is.

The days were not here, and then they were here. There were no clouds, then there were clouds. No grass, then, Voila!, grass. Animals, of all types, were not, and then they were!

No-one can change another person's beliefs. No matter what you believe about how we got here or evolved or whatever, the final answer is, It's All up to that individual person. Their decision to make.

There are some crack-pot believers out there!
UFO theorists, conspiracy after conspiracy-(AKA schizophrenic), new-agers! lol atheists, etc etc
I mean, even Evolution takes some faith to believe. It is called a theory for a reason.

Bottom line is, I believe that my religion has more (than enough) credibility than the other options available. But I also believe that we are all sinners and can't judge our fellow beings. As I said before, it is their decision to make, even though it makes me sad and want to pray for them, as much as possible.
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But God DID NOT create everything - is the catch thereby.

'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' Matthew 13:27
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


You have the questions. Where are the answers?

'Sir' = God?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


By now everyone should know the bible by himself already. Read it on your own.

[link to bible.cc]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Now THAT would be an interesting reality to live in, where everyone would have read the Bible. And that reality seems to exist in your mind AC.

Wouldn't the interpretation part of it still be a problem though? I mean, if EVERYONE read it you would have a multitude of interpretations, would you not?


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It would be still more productive than bashing a book you have no notion of, right.
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What if I were able to download your understanding of the reality around you, the way YOU see it, from your mind?

So that it could be studied like a model or a rendering?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


In that case, primarily, it would be Gods guiding and prompting that has lead me to interpret everything arround me from the prospective of His Spirit. (As though I was viewing my reality from Gods eyes) (albeit very dimly.)
 Quoting: daretospeak


You use the word 'dimly', which infers light. That's an interesting word to choose. Is there a way to have control on how much light is cast on our perpsective of Creation?

Does more of the correct information yield more light?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


You have rightly said, however...it must be noted also that in the seeking of "correct information" the desire to know truth is paramount.

For from that desire, information is correctly given freely.
 Quoting: daretospeak


I agree wholeheartedly in this, yes. thumbs


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And, here is the answer to your original question:

... the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. (2 Cor 3)




This is a beautiful verse in the Bible. One of my favorites hf thanks for posting it.

Also, it speaks to me, that the law of the Lord is written not just on my heart, but everyone's heart.

We all feel it there, some just don't acknowledge it for what it is. A God given gift to us all!
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Christians (Past & Present) ~ What Is Your Source?

 Quoting: BOWMAN


Hello OP,

The source is The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

The Bible is words through which the source communicates and shares His purpose and plan (past, present, and future).

peace,
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If God created everything, is it better to have a narrow or broad perspective of Creation?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


But God DID NOT create everything - is the catch thereby.

'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' Matthew 13:27
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


You have the questions. Where are the answers?


 Quoting: BOWMAN



Here OP-

39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. (Matt 13)





And, here is the answer to your original question:

... the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. (2 Cor 3)




:)






:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Hi DSS hi

The first passage you posted leaves me with the notion that Satan was a creation of God, and was given the role of playing the deceiver (leading people away from God).

The second passage you posted I am personally in agreement with.


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IMO, is better to have a narrow perspective, in the fact the we have to acknowledge that *we can't know God's mind* because what is, is what is.

The days were not here, and then they were here. There were no clouds, then there were clouds. No grass, then, Voila!, grass. Animals, of all types, were not, and then they were!

No-one can change another person's beliefs. No matter what you believe about how we got here or evolved or whatever, the final answer is, It's All up to that individual person. Their decision to make.

There are some crack-pot believers out there!
UFO theorists, conspiracy after conspiracy-(AKA schizophrenic), new-agers! lol atheists, etc etc
I mean, even Evolution takes some faith to believe. It is called a theory for a reason.

Bottom line is, I believe that my religion has more (than enough) credibility than the other options available. But I also believe that we are all sinners and can't judge our fellow beings. As I said before, it is their decision to make, even though it makes me sad and want to pray for them, as much as possible.
 Quoting: SolitaryWildFlower


I fully agree that you can't change someone else's beliefs. It's all up to them. No doubt about that point at all.

With that being said, the stereotypes that you rely upon don't exist. What really exists are the individuals that comprise these stereotypes. Stereotypes were designed to make thinking easier. Whenever possible, don't take the easy path.

peace


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Hi DSS hi

The first passage you posted leaves me with the notion that Satan was a creation of God, and was given the role of playing the deceiver (leading people away from God).

The second passage you posted I am personally in agreement with.


 Quoting: BOWMAN


Hello to you Mr. Bowman.

Then perhaps the second passage can help you to understand the first.


Here, however, is another interesting perspective:

She wanted to bring forth a likeness out of herself without the consent of the Spirit, - he had not approved - and without her consort, and without his consideration. And though the person of her maleness had not approved, and she had not found her agreement, and she had thought without the consent of the Spirit and the knowledge of her agreement, (yet) she brought forth. And because of the invincible power which is in her, her thought did not remain idle, and something came out of her which was imperfect and different from her appearance...

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You have the questions. Where are the answers?

'Sir' = God?


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By now everyone should know the bible by himself already. Read it on your own.

[link to bible.cc]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Now THAT would be an interesting reality to live in, where everyone would have read the Bible. And that reality seems to exist in your mind AC.

Wouldn't the interpretation part of it still be a problem though? I mean, if EVERYONE read it you would have a multitude of interpretations, would you not?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


It would be still more productive than bashing a book you have no notion of, right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


And where/when did this alleged bashing take place?


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What really exists are the individuals that comprise these stereotypes. Stereotypes were designed to make thinking easier. Whenever possible, don't take the easy path.


I agree with your overall point but I want to make it clear that I get judged by people about other Christian actions when I am, in fact, like NO Christian I know.

If I was allowed to, I would take away everyone's ability to box other people in by using stereotypes. Even (especially) my own.

I don't fit the stereotype for my group, myself, and I didn't mean to imply that I was saying all types of believers are like the stereotypes of the beliefs I mentioned.

Only trying to give a quick overview of other belief systems that, IMO, are just as *out there* as my own.
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By now everyone should know the bible by himself already. Read it on your own.

[link to bible.cc]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Now THAT would be an interesting reality to live in, where everyone would have read the Bible. And that reality seems to exist in your mind AC.

Wouldn't the interpretation part of it still be a problem though? I mean, if EVERYONE read it you would have a multitude of interpretations, would you not?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


It would be still more productive than bashing a book you have no notion of, right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


And where/when did this alleged bashing take place?


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I was generally speaking of GLPers as you did speak generally too. Anyway, here is an example of your playing part in it:

... the stereotypes that you rely upon don't exist. What really exists are the individuals that comprise these stereotypes. Stereotypes were designed to make thinking easier. Whenever possible, don't take the easy path.
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If God created everything, is it better to have a narrow or broad perspective of Creation?


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Me=the Gospels..not the bible..
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

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Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


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Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

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Christians (Past & Present) ~ What Is Your Source?

 Quoting: BOWMAN


Hello OP,

The source is The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

The Bible is words through which the source communicates and shares His purpose and plan (past, present, and future).

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


How many different languages is the Bible written in?

Is there a language that is better suited for delivering the God's purpose and plan?

Can human language represent God's 'words', or do these languages fail us?


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And, here is the answer to your original question:

... the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. (2 Cor 3)




This is a beautiful verse in the Bible. One of my favorites hf thanks for posting it.

Also, it speaks to me, that the law of the Lord is written not just on my heart, but everyone's heart.

We all feel it there, some just don't acknowledge it for what it is. A God given gift to us all!
 Quoting: SolitaryWildFlower


Nice observation. sun


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