Christians (Past & Present) ~ What Is Your Source?

Thanks for your reply,

How many different languages? Many I presume, but I would have to google that. I suppose the best language is the one which is understood by the reader. The one which 'speaks' to the reader. Does the bible speak to all of its reader? Perhaps it does (in one way or another). I cannot speak for another.

We know words are powerful, but words are not always needed to convey thoughts and feelings and emotions. I can look at my wife and know what she is thinking because we have an intimate relationship. And she also with me.

And when we do speak (words), it is often a confirmation or elaboration of what we are seeing and feeling within towards each other.

So there is a relationship (my wife and I) and a familiarity and an understanding, and words confirm it and aid it and elaborate upon it.

I also see scripture as such. A confirmation of what is within and what is observed. Not as something strange or unfamiliar, but something which is familiar and affirming.

Now I think God desires such a relationship with his children. An intimate one. One where there is trust and comfort and peace and hope and love. These are feelings deep within and words cannot fully articulate such feelings. No man can share words with another which communicate such feelings fully.

Can one man share such things with another in words? Doubtful. But I trust God can share such things with a man. Seeing as He created man. He can speak to the mind and the soul and the spirit of a man. And he does this through any and all means to accomplish his plan. Including The Bible.

IMHO.

So do you believe that 'evil' and/or 'Satan' was an unintentional creation on the part of God?


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Okay, I understand. If there's a 'quick' way, stereotyping is it. I can resonate personally with the way you feel 'out there' as your situation pertains to your belief system.

If the path to truth is indeed a narrow way, than there is no safety in numbers.


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Oh, I coulda sworn you used the word YOU, as in me specifically. Anyways how is that quote by myself that you included in your post an example of me 'playing my part in it'?

Generalizations are fine when you're speaking to something 'in general'. The problems occur when someone points a generalization at a specific individual.


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Hi wildhoney.

So are you saying that the Gospels is something that is inherently within you, and do you feel as though 'the Gospels' is something that is inherently within others as well?

All people or just some people?


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No, no, no. Thank you for your reply. I liked how you differentiated between how a given individual would be impressed upon by written text as opposed to actually experiencing the presence and feelings of another (in this case your wife). When we are with our spouses or partners or whatever, we learn about their tendencies and habits, so that when a sufficient amount of time has passed we become almost telepathic in communicating. I've read many reported experiences between people and God. I suspect that I've had my own ( as in, I KNEW it from within while it was occuring) And what's common in these experiences is the intimacy in which the individual feels God has forward them (what they have been through, endured, etc..) It's quite the humbling feeling.


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Thanks for your reply.

Indeed, it is very humbling.

And this is all a man can do. Share his humbling experiences. The ones which give him hope and peace and comfort and rest. He shares those experiences because he desires others to have those same experiences.

I have shared my humbling experience in another thread (in few words). Perhaps it is related to this poll thread for which I selected 'The Bible and Experience' as my reply;

Thread: THANKFUL thread :) post what you are thankful for here for abundance! (Page 2)

I wish you well.

peace,

Okay, that's the impression I received from the passage you quoted but I'll take time to read up on the link you posted.


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Thank you kindly. I'll check it out.




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Prior to the passage that was quoted.


"And his thought performed a deed and she came forth, namely she who had appeared before him in the shine of his light. This is the first power which was before all of them (and) which came forth from his mind, She is the forethought of the All - her light shines like his light - the perfect power which is the image of the invisible, virginal Spirit who is perfect. The first power, the glory of Barbelo, the perfect glory in the aeons, the glory of the revelation, she glorified the virginal Spirit and it was she who praised him, because thanks to him she had come forth. This is the first thought, his image; she became the womb of everything, for it is she who is prior to them all, the Mother-Father, the first man, the holy Spirit, the thrice-male, the thrice-powerful, the thrice-named androgynous one, and the eternal aeon among the invisible ones, and the first to come forth.

Sophia came later. The light that Sophia remembered was the one above. That is the light that lives within all...to be remembered in spite of what came after.

Sophia went down twelve aeons into chaos. The light reached her upon her twelfth repentance. She offered 13 repentances returning her to the original light. (This is in the book Pistis Sophia)

Maybe the gnostics are talking about the 13 Chakras in relation to the Holy Spirit in bodily form? Why we remain in the lower chakras? How we return to the astral chakra which is the 13th?

Pistis Sophia is faith in wisdom. She had faith that with each praise she offered to the light that she would ascend to the innate wisdom of the light? Return to the astral?

went down = underworld?

After the 12 repentance comes the 'light' of the 13th scale of the serpent.

:Fserpent:


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I've always thought that humans have 7 chakras, which would match the 7 light scales on the Mayan serpent, but is there some sort of corresponding 'anti-chakra' within a human being, which would match the 6 dark scales?


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That’s seems to be a Westernized view. There are more chakras in the “gut” area between there and the heart and those in the leg areas are also considered in Hindu views.

My partner was reading something the other day in a nutritional book. The book said that there were more minerals stored in the gut area than area where else. (Am trying to find which book it was in.)

When people do energy work the gut starts rumbling. So I am coming to the conclusion that the 13 have to be focused on. Especially the gut region which seems to correlate with why people seem to need to move into an intuitive or gut mode before they can move into the upper chakras.

I googled 13 chakras and fond this one that seems to explain it best taking many things into consideration that would help activate the different chakras.

[link to www.onehealsone.co.uk]

There is something about that that seems on target. Something about the navel area maybe where they come back into balance. 0 on the positive negative number scale? We have free will to go either direction from there. I just say this because the navel area is what would dispense the energy to the development of a body. Just throwing that out there. Often more questions than answers when it comes to these things.

Last Edited by Metanoia on 09/01/2011 01:23 PM

Oh. In the Pistis Sophia thread I did over the weekend. Someone came in with a good take on it that might perhaps clear up some of the Biblical narrative. The Holy Spirt that is the third in the trinity is Pistis Sophia or perhaps now after the passage that I quoted above that original feminine light source is the Holy Spirit and it moves through us when we employ faith (Pistis) in our inherent wisdom (Sophia).

From the link...

7 to 13 Geometrical Chakras - To locate all of the 13 Chakras, firstly measure the distance between your eyes, you will see this is about 7.23cm. Starting from the perineum is your Root/Base Chakra, using your tape measure, move upwards to locate the Sacral Chakra, which is on or just past your pubic bone, continue upwards and you will find your solar plexus inside your navel. Use the same distance to locate the remaining Chakras.
The universe is full of geometric designs creating an endless dance of colour, light and sound.





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Well, that's the anatomical 'center' so to speak so that makes sense as far as achieving balance is concerned.


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I had a dream last night...not much of a dreamer...more like a processor. I woke up with the terminology polarity shift. I didn’t know what that meant. Thought maybe it had to do with the pole shift issue. I looked it up:

"...polarity therapy seek to balance and restore the natural flow of energy which, it is claimed,[who?] flows from the universe and into the body through the chakras.”

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Well this is even more weird. I just looked it up from a chemical perspective. I was looking up info on methane hydrates yesterday...something I have been highly interested in for the last year or so. Maybe this is a concept which seems to unify the lines of both consciousness and the material realm. From a chemistry perspective which I have no clue what this means:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

That's an interesting take ML. I've read some about the 'mysterious' Holy Spirit as being our own very souls. Or in other words 'we all have the potential'. If this is true than this would be the portal in which Pisits Sophia can manifest through.


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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I do dream a lot, I just don't recall them very well.

There are two types of 'pole shifts' regarding the planet, physical and electromagnetic. The latter being the type that seems to be underway as magnetic 'north pole' keeps working its way further south. Which makes you think if its a symptom of the approaching singularity in fractal time. I imagine a planetary electromagnetic pole shift would have a 'so below' type of effect on us humans.

For better balance and restoration? God, I hope so.


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You are kidding? First define the difference for the viewing audience of narrow vs broad perspective of Creation. Then it is a fair question. I recall Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sex with that women". Some would say BS others true. Why? His definition of sex was by the book not current common idioms. Thanks

"In chemistry, polarity refers to a separation of electric charge"

If atoms are made up of mostly empty space, and you are made of atoms, then what is it that keeps you from falling through the Earth's surface? It's these electro-chemical bonds that do the job.


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No, I'm not kidding, I'm asking a question. The narrow perspective refers to the Bible and only the Bible. The broad perspective would be the choice marked 'Everything'.


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thats really poor rendering of the parable. weeds = people who fall away from the Gospel.

i have a mind like you. but i was also raised with the bible and i still revere many of the books contained in it, they stir up an emotional bond to the godhead and a reverence for god that very few other holy books are able to do. still as silly as the creation accounts may same via a modern evangelical christian exegesis, the things the medieval jewish kabbalists gleamed from the same text but in the original language are pretty astonishing, including the true age of the universe, the nature of a fractal reality, the number of dimensions found in modern string theory, amongst many other things. it is a supernatural collection of writings give or take a couple of books.

What's fascinating when you take everything into account, it leads you back to the Truth that is in the Bible, only you're having a different perspective than people who typically take it at face value.


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Thank you AC and sorry I missed this post. Yes, going to church could have been much more of an experience if the teachings in the Bible were augmented by the teachings in some of the other great spiritual works that are found in other cultures. But then we'd have a society of full of enlightened individuals. Can't have that now can we? : )


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