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Philemon (OP) User ID: 1526885 United States 08/29/2011 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bible Question: In Genesis 5:21-24 we are told that Enoch walked with God. In my research I have found the book of Enoch. I have read it over and over and found it to be very moving and very inspiring. It was the very key to bring me back to our Lord and Savior. It is a blue print of all things past, present, and future from Genesis to the Son of Man (Jesus Christ) our Messiah, to the secret day of judgment. It is almost the whole Bible in one book. My question is, why isn't this wonderful book in the Bible? Bible Answer: The book of Enoch is one of the Pseudepigrapha books and was apparently written during the first century before Jesus Christ. The book contains one hundred and eight chapters divided into five sections. The introductory chapters, 1-5, provide a short introduction of Enoch and speak to the major themes of rewards, punishment, the end of the world and final judgment. Book 1 includes chapters 6-36 and is primarily about angels, the Tree of Life, Jerusalem, and the universe. Book 2 includes chapters 37-71 and deals with the One, the Son of God, or the Messiah, resurrection, the flood, Noah, future judgment, and paradise. Book 3 (chap. 72-82) deals with stars, moon, astronomy, the universe, and Enoch's mission. Book IV (chap. 83-90) presents predictions about the flood, a historical sketch, the future of Israel, and the messianic kingdom. Book V (chap. 91-105) addresses a variety of topics and the concluding chapters 106-108 end the book. While the book is fascinating to read, it is important to note that the book is not scripture. That is, the book is not inspired by God. The book was quoted in the Apocryphal book of Baruch, and in several early church manuscripts: Barnabas 16:5, Idolatry 15:6 (Tertullian), and Eccl. Proph 3 (Clement of Alexandria). Some have speculated that Jude 14-15 is a quote from the book of Enoch and concluded that Jude regarded Enoch as scripture. The following two quotes compare Jude 14-15 to the suspected passage in the book of Enoch. . . . Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. (NASB) Jude 1:14-15 . . . Behold, he will arrive with ten million of the holy ones in order to execute judgment upon all. He will destroy the wicked ones and censure all flesh on account of everything that they have done, that which the sinners and the wicked ones committed against him. - Enoch 1:9 Careful examination of the two passages reveals some significant differences. First, Jude refers to "thousands" of angels, but Enoch refers to "millions." Jude says that God will "convict" all of the ungodly, but Enoch says that they will be "destroyed." The rest of the two passages disagree in wording in minor ways. Therefore, it is inaccurate to conclude that Jude quoted Enoch. Since the book of Jude was written by Jude under the influence of God the Holy Spirit, we conclude that the book of Jude is truth. Therefore Enoch is wrong with regard to some facts. The book of Enoch was never referred to by Jesus or any of the New Testament writers as scripture, and the book was not included in the New Testament by the apostles. It is commonly misunderstood that the content of the Bible evolved over time. But the New Testament clearly tells us that the apostles were identifying scripture as it was being written (1 Tim. 5:17-18; 2 Pet. 3:14-16). The New Testament books were being distributed by the apostles to the various churches to be read (Gal. 6:11; Col. 4:16; 1 Thess. 5:27; 2 Thess. 2:2; 3:14). By the time the apostles died, the New Testament had been written and its books were known. The Muratorian Fragment and several of the early fathers have left us a list of books that were identified as belonging to the New Testament. The book of Enoch was never included. Some books were challenged later but never with success. Conclusion: You asked the question, "Why isn't this wonderful book included in the Bible?" The answer is that Jesus and the apostles never called it scripture. It is important to note that a few early church fathers highly valued the book of Enoch but they never referred to it as scripture. Therefore, we cannot view it as authorative since it is not the Word of God. [link to www.neverthirsty.org] |
Philemon (OP) User ID: 1526885 United States 08/29/2011 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bible Question: My question concerns the book of Enoch. As a big ancient history buff, I have a profound interest in the book because it gives a vivid picture of the pre-flood world. This is hard to come by. I do not, however, make a habit of putting any trust in anything that is not directly inspired by our Lord. Therefore, I would greatly appreciate any insight you could give me about whether the book is inspired by the Holy Spirit or just a colorful narrative. Bible Answer: Both the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestants agree that the Old and New Testaments are inspired, that is, the sixty-six books of the Bible are written by God. The apostles recognized these books as inspired by the Holy Spirit. All others were rejected as not having been written by God. Apocrypha. The Roman Catholic Church accepts another group of books as being inspired. These books are called the Apocrypha and include: Baruch, Bel and the Dragon, Ecclesiasticus, 1 and 2 Esdras, The History of Susanna, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, The Prayer of Manasseh, Additions to Esther, The Song of the Three Holy Children, Tobit, and The Wisdom of Solomon. Protestants reject these books because they were never endorsed by the apostles or the early church. All other books are rejected by both the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestants. Pseudepigrapha. The Pseudepigrapha is a group of books that are rejected by both the Roman Catholic Church and Protestants. The Pseudepigrapha contains a long list of books too long to present here. The Books of Enoch are part of the Pseudepigrapha. Three books are actually associated with Enoch, not just one. Each one is different: the Ethiopic version of Enoch, a Slavonic version of Enoch, and the Secrets of Enoch. Both the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestants do not believe that any of these books of Enoch are inspired or written by God. Conclusion: There is not any reason to believe that any of the Books of Enoch are inspired. The Old Testament, as we know it, was endorsed by Jesus while He was alive on this earth. The apostles endorsed the books of the New Testament. The Old and New Testaments contain all of the books written by God. The book of Enoch is just a colorful narrative! [link to www.neverthirsty.org] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1523279 Canada 08/29/2011 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bible Question: My question concerns the book of Enoch. As a big ancient history buff, I have a profound interest in the book because it gives a vivid picture of the pre-flood world. This is hard to come by. I do not, however, make a habit of putting any trust in anything that is not directly inspired by our Lord. Therefore, I would greatly appreciate any insight you could give me about whether the book is inspired by the Holy Spirit or just a colorful narrative. Quoting: Philemon Bible Answer: Both the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestants agree that the Old and New Testaments are inspired, that is, the sixty-six books of the Bible are written by God. The apostles recognized these books as inspired by the Holy Spirit. All others were rejected as not having been written by God. Apocrypha. The Roman Catholic Church accepts another group of books as being inspired. These books are called the Apocrypha and include: Baruch, Bel and the Dragon, Ecclesiasticus, 1 and 2 Esdras, The History of Susanna, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, The Prayer of Manasseh, Additions to Esther, The Song of the Three Holy Children, Tobit, and The Wisdom of Solomon. Protestants reject these books because they were never endorsed by the apostles or the early church. All other books are rejected by both the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestants. Pseudepigrapha. The Pseudepigrapha is a group of books that are rejected by both the Roman Catholic Church and Protestants. The Pseudepigrapha contains a long list of books too long to present here. The Books of Enoch are part of the Pseudepigrapha. Three books are actually associated with Enoch, not just one. Each one is different: the Ethiopic version of Enoch, a Slavonic version of Enoch, and the Secrets of Enoch. Both the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestants do not believe that any of these books of Enoch are inspired or written by God. Conclusion: There is not any reason to believe that any of the Books of Enoch are inspired. The Old Testament, as we know it, was endorsed by Jesus while He was alive on this earth. The apostles endorsed the books of the New Testament. The Old and New Testaments contain all of the books written by God. The book of Enoch is just a colorful narrative! [link to www.neverthirsty.org] The Book Of Jude references Enoch. Yahuwa is slick like that. It wasn't included in MAN'S Bible but it is Yahuwa's word 100%. The Ethiopic 1. Enoch rocks and Enoch was more important than the satans want to give Him credit for. My FAITH has led Me to KNOWING ENOCH IS 100% TRUTH and the WORD OF YAHUWA. |
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Philemon (OP) User ID: 1526885 United States 08/29/2011 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Answer: The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Genesis 5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says "And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him." (Genesis 5:24; see also Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase "Book of Enoch" refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language. The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible. Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verse 14. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch in Jude verse 9 does not indicate the entire book is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch. We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God. [link to www.gotquestions.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1523279 Canada 08/29/2011 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Question: "What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible?" Quoting: Philemon Answer: The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Genesis 5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says "And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him." (Genesis 5:24; see also Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase "Book of Enoch" refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language. The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible. Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verse 14. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch in Jude verse 9 does not indicate the entire book is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch. We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God. [link to www.gotquestions.org] ENOCH IS %100000000000000 FACT. THE CATHOLICS AINT DOWN WITH THE HOMEY ENOCH BECAUSE HE EXPOSED THOSE FRAUDS LONG AGO. BTW JUDE QUOTED THE BOOK OF ENOCH NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY. ITS IN THE BOOK OF JUDE FOR A REASON. THE CREATOR IS SLICK AND IT WAS LEFT OUT FOR THE WISE AND THOSE WHO SEEK TRUTH. ENOCH WILL BE RESPECTED BY EVERYONE. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1523279 Canada 08/29/2011 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THE BOOK OF JASHER TALKS ABOUT HOW ENOCH WAS BOSS. THAT BOOK WAS LEFT OUT OF THE MAN-COMPILED BIBLE TOO. THE PEEPS FEARED AND RESPECTED ENOCH BECAUSE THEY NEW YAHUWA HAD HELD HIM IN HIGH REGARD.ENOCH IS A BOSS. A WISE AND UNDERSTANDING BOSS WHO WILL BE KNOWN BY ALL ONCE YAHOSHUA RETURNS WITH HIS KINGDOM AND HIS SAINTS PROPHECIED BY ENOCH. YOU WILL LOVE ENOCH FOR WHO HE IS AND THE TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT DEED HE TOOK UPON HIMSELF TO EXPOSE THE EVIL OF THE WATCHERS. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1523518 United States 08/29/2011 09:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | However the bible is quite clear the offspring of Satan mixing with humans (not sure about the rest of the fallen angels) produced giants. Genesis 3:15 I will make you and the woman hostile toward each other. I will make your descendants and her descendant hostile toward each other. He will crush your head, and you will bruise his heel. Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. |
stan User ID: 1523831 United States 08/29/2011 09:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Book Of Jude references Enoch. Yahuwa is slick like that. It wasn't included in MAN'S Bible but it is Yahuwa's word 100%. The Ethiopic 1. Enoch rocks and Enoch was more important than the satans want to give Him credit for. My FAITH has led Me to KNOWING ENOCH IS 100% TRUTH and the WORD OF YAHUWA. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1523279 Jude says Enoch was a prophet but does not reference the book of Enoch as preflood Enoch Noah's g-grand dad did not write the book of Enoch. We do not have the prophecies of Enoch if they were ever written down. |
stan User ID: 1523831 United States 08/29/2011 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree with you about the book of enoch Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1523518 However the bible is quite clear the offspring of Satan mixing with humans (not sure about the rest of the fallen angels) produced giants. Genesis 3:15 I will make you and the woman hostile toward each other. I will make your descendants and her descendant hostile toward each other. He will crush your head, and you will bruise his heel. Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. There is no offspring of Satan, a spirit being with no capability of procreation. There were races of giants. But that Hebrew word and the one in Gen 6 are two different things. |
Philemon (OP) User ID: 1526885 United States 08/29/2011 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree with you about the book of enoch Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1523518However the bible is quite clear the offspring of Satan mixing with humans (not sure about the rest of the fallen angels) produced giants. Genesis 3:15 I will make you and the woman hostile toward each other. I will make your descendants and her descendant hostile toward each other. He will crush your head, and you will bruise his heel. Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. Read: Thread: Why the Genesis 6 sons of God are not angels |
bitterscroll User ID: 1489390 United States 08/29/2011 10:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You realize, of course, that this is not a text to be taken literally. Like Revelation of the "new" testament, the Book of Enoch attempts to explain the mystical, the hidden, the ecstatic with words that can't convey the meaning adequately. Thus layers of symbolism are employed, intermixed with the narrative of the vision. Yet, the meaning is obvious to the observant. I would further suggest to you that references to the Book of Enoch can be found in both the "old" and "new" testaments. Be blessed |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1523518 United States 08/29/2011 10:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree with you about the book of enoch Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1523518 However the bible is quite clear the offspring of Satan mixing with humans (not sure about the rest of the fallen angels) produced giants. Genesis 3:15 I will make you and the woman hostile toward each other. I will make your descendants and her descendant hostile toward each other. He will crush your head, and you will bruise his heel. Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. There is no offspring of Satan, a spirit being with no capability of procreation. There were races of giants. But that Hebrew word and the one in Gen 6 are two different things. Satan is NOT a spirit being. He astrally projects his spirit body but god cursed him with a flesh body. (Genesis 6:2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (Genesis 6:3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he ALSO is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Satan is an "Alien" [link to whitesareisrael.wordpress.com] |
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See the light User ID: 56296948 United States 03/31/2014 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're taking the idea that angels can't procreate from the story Jesus told the Sadducees. Read it carefully, Matthew 22:23-33. They will be like the angels IN HEAVEN. So which angels AREN'T in heaven. Explain why Jude and Peter both alluded to these things if they aren't true. I believe much of what is in the Book of Enoch explains many different things in scripture, like why Yahweh told Joshua to wipe out entire villages of people. That was men, women, and children. Understanding that these things were the offspring of an ungodly union puts everything into a much deeper perspective and illustrates the cosmic war for men's souls that seems to constantly be raging at all fronts even within ourselves. Our Father and his precious Son want nothing more than union with us, by means of the Holy Spirit. To write Enoch off as "heresy" sounds a lot like what some of the early protestants did as well as (obviously) the Catholic church. Christ Jesus never taught us to go around slaying each other, Jude references this again in regards to Michael over the body of Moses. He simple said, "The Lord rebuke you!". If most of the people who run around calling true teachings of Christ heresy had their way they'd do the same thing as their ancestors and burn everyone who opposed them at the stake. If burning people at the stake sounds appealing to you, then you are truly given over and arguing will do no good. I pray that revelation come upon all of God's true children and that the Spirit of Truth would lead us all towards the true Christ, our messiah, the one true Lord, by means of his Spirit of Holiness to the glory of God the Father. AMEN and shalom to those in Christ. |
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Mrdlaw4Jc User ID: 51545261 United States 03/31/2014 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The so-called Book of Enoch is a favorite among those Ufologists that try with all their might to connect the bible with theories of hybridization particularly of ‘Giant’ hybrids that resulted from a sexual union between ‘angels’ and human women. Since the bible makes no such claim it is with good reason that this book was not included in the Canon of scripture. Read the articles, Nephilim-Giants and Iron & Clay for a Biblical understanding of who the Biblical giants really were and to confirm that the Bible states that hybridization through sexual union is an impossibility. However to give Biblical authenticity to their claims of such hybrid offspring and other UFO related theories the authorship of this book is generally attributed to the Biblical patriarch Enoch who was born after 700 years after Adam and lived 365 years before being ‘translated’ by God to heaven. The purpose of this article is to prove that whoever wrote this book it could not possibly have been the Biblical Enoch. First of all there are too many doctrinal claims in this book that are entirely contradictory to the Bible. Secondly this author of this book cites historical facts and geographical locations that the Biblical Enoch could not possibly have had access to in his lifetime. This book was in al likelihood ‘reverse engineered’ and poorly at that. The author had to have had knowledge of both the Old and New Testaments and the earliest this book could have been written would have been in the 1st century AD, nearly 3000 years after the Biblical Enoch left the Earth. There are at least 3 books that have supposedly been authored by the Biblical Enoch and as a matter of fact there are hundreds if not thousands of writings classified as ‘Pseudepigraphical’ meaning ‘False Title’. They are classified as false titles because the authorship of the books is attributed to Biblical of historical characters when in fact these Biblical or historical figures had nothing to do with the authorship of such books. The books of Enoch are prime examples of such Pseudepigraphical’ writings and it is not without reason that they are called ‘false titles.’ This article will deal only with the most famous of the three Enoch books titled Enoch 1. [link to www.signsoftheend.net] |
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