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The only thing known to cause magnetic pole reversals on Earth: dense space clouds.

 
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The only thing known to cause magnetic pole reversals on Earth: dense space clouds.
NASA Study Suggests Giant Space Clouds Iced Earth


Eons ago, giant clouds in space may have led to global extinctions, according to two recent technical papers supported by NASA's Astrobiology Institute.

One paper outlines a rare scenario in which Earth iced over during snowball glaciations, after the solar system passed through dense space clouds. In a more likely scenario, less dense giant molecular clouds may have enabled charged particles to enter Earth's atmosphere, leading to destruction of much of the planet's protective ozone layer. This resulted in global extinctions, according to the second paper. Both recently appeared in the Geophysical Research Letters.

"Computer models show dramatic climate change can be caused by interstellar dust accumulating in Earth's atmosphere during the solar system's immersion into a dense space cloud," said Alex Pavlov, principal author of the two papers. He is a scientist at the University of Colorado, Boulder. The resulting dust layer hovering over the Earth would absorb and scatter solar radiation, yet allow heat to escape from the planet into space, causing runaway ice buildup and snowball glaciations.


Explains the sudden freezing where animals and plants were frozen alive.

Moderately dense space clouds are huge, and the solar system could take as long as 500,000 years to cross one of them. Once in such a cloud, the Earth would be expected to undergo at least one magnetic reversal. During a reversal, electrically charged cosmic rays can enter Earth's atmosphere instead of being deflected by the planet's magnetic field.
[link to www.nasa.gov]

I've posted this in some of my other threads before, but I think this needs to be pointed out on its own. The ONLY known cause of magnetic pole reversals are caused by dense space clouds. Did IBEX find evidence of a dense spiral of cloud entering our solar system and hence the "ribbon"? Magnetic fields tend to spiral naturally.

There's a lot of talk here about pole reversals but the causes always tend to be some fictional scenario when there is direct evidence of the cause of reversals on this planet.
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And people are worried about some little rock floating around our solar system when there's a light year sized cloud right on our doorstep...
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Re: The only thing known to cause magnetic pole reversals on Earth: dense space clouds.
I'm just curious as to what people think about this. This idea has been around for a while.

The Black Cloud is a science fiction novel written by astrophysicist Sir Fred Hoyle. Published in 1957, the book details the arrival of an enormous cloud of gas that enters the solar system and threatens to destroy most of the life on Earth by blocking the Sun's radiation.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Some of the scientific papers I've read which model some various scenarios show that it causes changes to the heliosphere, our magnetosphere and our climate. Such events called ELE in the past have all come with spurts in evolution most probably due to the massive increase in cosmic radiation. Is this the type of event ancient humans have experienced in the past? Like the aboriginals from Australia.

There is a higher concentration of these clouds along the galactic plane of our galaxy. But they are also seemingly spread out at random everywhere. They give birth to stars and solar systems.
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If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. There is not much we can do about a light year sized cloud or anything of that scale. It could last a year or a decade or it could last 10,000 years. There's a lot of variables involved. We're all so worried about the terrestrial environment and climate and yet those are something that are part of something much greater, the solar environment and the galactic environment. Any changes in the solar environment are going to have a direct influence on ours.
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Re: The only thing known to cause magnetic pole reversals on Earth: dense space clouds.
I'll provide one example of a paper which explores the effects.

Terrestrial atmospheric effects induced by counterstreaming dense interstellar cloud material

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The Solar System during its life has travelled more than 10 times through dense interstellar clouds with particle concentrations of 10^2-10^3 cm-3 and more, compressing the heliosphere to heliopause dimensions smaller than 1 AU and thus bringing the Earth in immediate contact with the interstellar matter.

Earth`s orbit remains completely shielded from solar wind protons and would only be subject to solar photoionization processes. We have developed a 2D-two-fluid gas-dynamical numerical code to describe the hydrodynamical behavior of the incoming interstellar gas near the Earth, taking into account both the photoionization and the gravity of the Sun.

As we show, the resulting strongly increased neutral hydrogen fluxes ranging from 10^9 to 10^11cm-2s-1 cause substantial changes in the terrestrial atmosphere.

During the phase of the immersion into the cloud the resulting flux of neutral hydrogen incident on the terrestrial atmosphere in the steady state would be balanced by the upward escape flux of H-atoms and the downward flux of water molecules, which is the product of the atmospheric hydrogen-oxygen chemistry via even-odd reaction schemes. In that case hydrogen acts as a chemical agent to remove oxygen atoms and to cause ozone concentration reductions above 50 km by a factor of 1.5 at the stratopause to about a factor of 1000 and more at the mesopause. Thus, depending on the specific encounter parameters the high mixing ratio of hydrogen in the Earth's atmosphere may substantially decrease the ozone concentration in the mesosphere and may trigger an ice age of relatively long duration.
[link to www.aanda.org]


So an immersion into a cloud with hydrogen would result in the atmosphere producing H2O molecules and rain down... That is what a downward flux of water molecules means obviously. Biblical floods and other ancient flood stories.
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As the paper above pointed out, one of the effects of such a cloud is a shrinking heliosphere. So until the heliosphere shows the effects we're alright.


Too bad it already has.

Sun's protective 'bubble' is shrinking
The protective bubble around the sun that helps to shield the Earth from harmful interstellar radiation is shrinking and getting weaker, Nasa scientists have warned.

New data has revealed that the heliosphere, the protective shield of energy that surrounds our solar system, has weakened by 25 per cent over the past decade and is now at it lowest level since the space race began 50 years ago.

Scientists are baffled
at what could be causing the barrier to shrink in this way and are to launch mission to study the heliosphere.

Without the heliosphere the harmful intergalactic cosmic radiation would make life on Earth almost impossible by destroying DNA and making the climate uninhabitable.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
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just a thought to build on this. elenin is supposed to disintegrate when it crosses perihelion between us and the sun at that time> could this create a size able cloud big enough to just block the sun long enough to cause the same effect as the earth passing through a cloud. i know the idea in the article is that it would take some 500000 years to pass through the cloud they are theorizing. but for a pole shift a sort period of polar opposition????? any other thoughts
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just a thought to build on this. elenin is supposed to disintegrate when it crosses perihelion between us and the sun at that time> could this create a size able cloud big enough to just block the sun long enough to cause the same effect as the earth passing through a cloud. i know the idea in the article is that it would take some 500000 years to pass through the cloud they are theorizing. but for a pole shift a sort period of polar opposition????? any other thoughts
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I did notice there has been a lot of interest in studying T.Tauri systems recently, the dust not only effects earth's climate, Why the hell would anyone quit smoking at this point in time?
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I did notice there has been a lot of interest in studying T.Tauri systems recently, the dust not only effects earth's climate, Why the hell would anyone quit smoking at this point in time?
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The fact that dust affects our climate has not been fully understood yet.

The Sun's shifting magnetic field is set to focus a decade-long storm of galactic dust grains towards the inner Solar System, including Earth.

The effect this will have on our planet - if any - is unknown. But some researchers have speculated that sustained periods of cosmic dust bombardment might be related to ice ages and even mass extinctions.

During the last decade, the magnetic field of the Sun acted like a shield, deflecting the electrically charged galactic dust away from the Solar System. However, the Sun's regular cycle of activity peaked in 2001.

As expected, its magnetic field then flipped over, so that south became north and vice-versa. In this configuration, rather than deflecting the galactic dust, the magnetic field should actually channel the dust inwards.

This pattern may have been repeated during previous solar cycles but it is only now that astronomers are beginning to have the data they need to prove it.

[link to www.newscientist.com]

The amount of dust has also increased by at least 30% so far.
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This is why they are printing money like crazy, and nobody doing any real problem solving for the world's economic problems, environmental, etc. They've already admitted we are entering a cloud of interstellar fluff, which will do what it has done in the past when our solar system entered one, put us in to another ice age. The geological records show it.
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Since the sun and planets all connect their field lines this could be quite the show.
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I always see dense gaseous clouds after I come out of the bathroom.
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I wonder if Comet Holmes encountered a giant cloud in space, which caused it to explode and expand to be larger than the Sun.

Hope that cloud ain't heading this way.
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"New data has revealed that the heliosphere, the protective shield of energy that surrounds our solar system, has weakened by 25 per cent over the past decade and is now at it lowest level since the space race began 50 years ago.

Scientists are baffled at what could be causing the barrier to shrink in this way and are to launch mission to study the heliosphere."



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"New data has revealed that the heliosphere, the protective shield of energy that surrounds our solar system, has weakened by 25 per cent over the past decade and is now at it lowest level since the space race began 50 years ago.

Scientists are baffled at what could be causing the barrier to shrink in this way and are to launch mission to study the heliosphere."



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Indeed, the unfortunate thing is all this information comes from so many various sources and fields of study that not many people working in these fields would be putting all of this together as I have. They all work compartmentalized when it comes to such complex and interconnected issues.
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It's a shame that people who are interested in the pole reversal process are only interested in the delusional scenario of a planet X or nibiru instead of looking at reality and the only possible source of these reversals on Earth.

I guess they want to believe that this planet will save them when the reality is much harsher. So many people want an outside force to save them from themselves. Maybe the subject is too complicated or people are simply scared.
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Would this also tie in with the below? I realise they're talking about terra clouds but the cosmic connecter is interesting. [This is from an email i received from CEC]

"Climate change ‘models’ ignore cosmic rays
The computer models predicting catastrophic climate change (of a form that that can only be averted by paying City of London banks to trade carbon credits) have again been shown up by a groundbreaking experiment conducted by scientists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) which proves cosmic rays play a role in cloud formation.
Nature magazine on 24th August reported the results of CERN’s Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets (CLOUD) experiment, which tested Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark’s famous cloud chamber experiment, and demonstrated an initial connection between cosmic rays and cloud formation.
Nature reported that in the CERN experiment, scientists fill “a custom-built chamber with ultrapure air and chemicals believed to seed clouds: water vapour, sulphur dioxide, ozone and ammonia. They then bombard the chamber with protons from the same accelerator that feeds the Large Hadron Collider, the world’s most powerful particle smasher. As the synthetic cosmic rays stream in, the group carefully samples the artificial atmosphere to see what effect the rays are having.
“Early results seem to indicate that cosmic rays do cause a change.”
The CERN physicists who conducted the experiment wrote in their paper, “Role of sulphuric acid, ammonia and galactic cosmic rays in atmospheric aerosol nucleation”, published in Nature, “Based on the first results from CLOUD, it is clear that the treatment of aerosol formation in climate models will need to be substantially revised, since all models assume that nucleation is caused by these vapours [sulphuric acid and ammonia] and water alone.”

A seven-minute LPAC Basement video explaining the experiment
[link to cecaust.com.au]
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Would this also tie in with the below? I realise they're talking about terra clouds but the cosmic connecter is interesting. [This is from an email i received from CEC]

"Climate change ‘models’ ignore cosmic rays
The computer models predicting catastrophic climate change (of a form that that can only be averted by paying City of London banks to trade carbon credits) have again been shown up by a groundbreaking experiment conducted by scientists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) which proves cosmic rays play a role in cloud formation.
Nature magazine on 24th August reported the results of CERN’s Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets (CLOUD) experiment, which tested Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark’s famous cloud chamber experiment, and demonstrated an initial connection between cosmic rays and cloud formation.
Nature reported that in the CERN experiment, scientists fill “a custom-built chamber with ultrapure air and chemicals believed to seed clouds: water vapour, sulphur dioxide, ozone and ammonia. They then bombard the chamber with protons from the same accelerator that feeds the Large Hadron Collider, the world’s most powerful particle smasher. As the synthetic cosmic rays stream in, the group carefully samples the artificial atmosphere to see what effect the rays are having.
“Early results seem to indicate that cosmic rays do cause a change.”
The CERN physicists who conducted the experiment wrote in their paper, “Role of sulphuric acid, ammonia and galactic cosmic rays in atmospheric aerosol nucleation”, published in Nature, “Based on the first results from CLOUD, it is clear that the treatment of aerosol formation in climate models will need to be substantially revised, since all models assume that nucleation is caused by these vapours [sulphuric acid and ammonia] and water alone.”

A seven-minute LPAC Basement video explaining the experiment
[link to cecaust.com.au]
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It is possible that these clouds can accelerate particles and shoot them out in jets like a black hole or a newly formed star. In theory if you compress these clouds you could create a star. Particle acceleration occurs in our atmosphere, they call these terrestrial gamma ray flashes. It occurs on the sun and we call them cosmic rays. Charged particles get accelerated by magnetic fields and fly along magnetic field lines.

We don't know the exact processes that actually cause the particles to be accelerated naturally. And we can't pinpoint the exact sources of cosmic rays due to the magnetic fields charged particles travel on.
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Just found some information which supports my idea.

The highly complex magnetic fields of the clouds are able to accelerate particles creating cosmic rays. The cloud is already close, most likely some of it is already inside the solar system. Note the spiral path the cosmic rays take. Related to the spiral ribbon IBEX observed?




Discovered: Cosmic Rays from a Mysterious, Nearby Object

Nov. 19, 2008: An international team of researchers has discovered a puzzling surplus of high-energy electrons bombarding Earth from space. The source of these cosmic rays is unknown, but it must be close to the solar system



"The source of these exotic electrons must be relatively close to the solar system—no more than a kiloparsec away," says co-author Jim Adams of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center.

Why must the source be nearby? Adams explains: "High-energy electrons lose energy rapidly as they fly through the galaxy. They give up energy in two main ways: (1) when they collide with lower-energy photons, a process called inverse Compton scattering, and (2) when they radiate away some of their energy by spiraling through the galaxy's magnetic field." By the time an electron has traveled a whole kiloparsec, it isn't so 'high energy' any more.
[link to science.nasa.gov]

Strange cosmic ray hotspots stalk southern skies

Cosmic rays crashing into the Earth over the South Pole appear to be coming from particular locations, rather than being distributed uniformly across the sky. Similar cosmic ray "hotspots" have been seen in the northern skies too, yet we know of no source close enough to produce this pattern.

"We don't know where they are coming from," says Stefan Westerhoff of the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

It's a mystery because the hotspots must be produced within about 0.03 light years of Earth.

Others have proposed that a local phenomenon called magnetic reconnection – in which solar magnetic field lines cross and rearrange, converting magnetic energy to kinetic energy – could be accelerating local cosmic rays to energies in the TeV range and beaming them towards Earth, creating the observed hotspots. "It implies that we have a Tevatron in the solar system," says Aharonian, referring to the particle accelerator at Fermilab in Batavia, Illinois. "That's also crazy, but it is at least less crazy than other explanations."
[link to www.newscientist.com]



I've been monitoring the magnetosphere sim for a while now and noticed an odd thing happening, there would be a huge spike in density and a huge drop in temperature of the plasma at geostationary orbit and the radiative pressure would also spike, but there is no activity on the sun which could account for such an event.

[link to www2.nict.go.jp]

You can see this here, at least for today. There was no flare, no CME, no coronal hole streams or anything going on with the sun to cause this and such events became very obvious during the extreme minimum. The magnetosphere only interacts with charged particles like cosmic rays.

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As the paper above pointed out, one of the effects of such a cloud is a shrinking heliosphere. So until the heliosphere shows the effects we're alright.


Too bad it already has.

Sun's protective 'bubble' is shrinking
The protective bubble around the sun that helps to shield the Earth from harmful interstellar radiation is shrinking and getting weaker, Nasa scientists have warned.

New data has revealed that the heliosphere, the protective shield of energy that surrounds our solar system, has weakened by 25 per cent over the past decade and is now at it lowest level since the space race began 50 years ago.

Scientists are baffled
at what could be causing the barrier to shrink in this way and are to launch mission to study the heliosphere.

Without the heliosphere the harmful intergalactic cosmic radiation would make life on Earth almost impossible by destroying DNA and making the climate uninhabitable.

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
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The heliosphere probably has either a cycle or an elastic reaction to outside influences. Much the same as our magnetic field responds to solar wind.

Don't panic.
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I guess you missed the information about what happens when the heliosphere shrinks so much it leaves Earth exposed to the ISM.
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this is the cloud you are referring to. please watch.

[link to www.youtube.com]

no sun = no heat = total icing of earth in 60-70 hours
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You have a good thread, OP.

Here is more to the puzzle...



Thread: The sun is reacting to forces that can’t be seen. As requested, we will now “show” them to you and explain NIBIRU, PLANET X, and WORMWOOD.





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