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Exploring the Meaning of : The MASONIC Compass "G" and the Star of David. by Apollo

 
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Thus, the union of "the two Cherubim" in the Jerusalem Temple would appear to be the ultimate source of the "mystery of the Golden Altar" in the Masonic Temple.

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


My belief is that this would be the union of the Old Testament and the New Testament. Meaning, that of the jewish people and their teachings were passed to the Gentiles and their new teachings via the Universal Church. Working together, jewish people and Gentiles are living stones and examples to build our heavenly kingdom.

Hence, the golden altar is to represent the jewish and Gentile union.

Can I ask you Apollo where the male and female allegorical symbolism first came into effect or who was the first scholar to put this theory out there?

Of course I am NOT saying that in the Mysteries, the Symbolic union of male and female being a symbol of the Great Work is not both in Mystic Israel and Gnostic tradition and European Alchemy. I am just under the assumption that the "new" Solomon's Temple and the allegorical teachings to go along with it were to explain the union of the old testament with the new and how we (jewish people and gentiles) now work together in union in building the universal church.

The Freemasons were just "specialized" builders who were given a 'free pass" to work side by side with the RCC in propagating the new Solomons temple. Hence, they were gentiles and living stones.

I am not questioning the letter G or any of your other teachings here. Just he main reason for this allegorical story and in reference to the two Cherubim. In addition, I am not disrespecting the Freemasons or you for all I seek is the ultimate truth and not just other people's or author's temple theories. Hence, I question everything and everyone. Even the worlds best Freemasonry and Secret Society scholars because I have found many to be wrong or off base on some of their teachings and or theories.
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Friend, I have no doubt that it means that as well. The archetype of the Twins are of the same sex too, and Pisces is the twin brothers swimming in opposite directions.

The Rebis of the Scottish Rite symbolized the Eagles facing East and one facing West for two Empires.

Regarding the cherubin union, its always the combining of Opposites. The downward facing compass is the Sun in Masonry and the Square is the Moon. The Sun as Masculine, Moon as Feminine.

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


Cool, thanks for your reply AI hf

I do not disagree with all the other teachings that have been added on and or compounded to the Temple to teach the profane further, make it more magickal or to further conceal the truth. I am just questioning the true original ONLY meaning of the two Cherubim which is one being of the Jewish Empire and the Other being of the Gentile(Non jewish).

The eagles used in government like you said are the imperial power of this same said union. I do not disagree with that.

In addition, I am trying to locate the Freemasonry scholars or Grand Masters who first gave these allegorical interpretations to the Temple and to the two Cherubim. Do you know who that was?

As I mentioned, I do not go by anyone else than Saint Bede and his "On the Temple" book that was the first of our kin to write such a book in the 8th century and all books or interpretation thereafter are heresy or misguided if they did not read or use Saint Bede's On the Temple in their teachings.

Bede 1

It is akin to writing a book about the Bible and its allegorical teachings without ever reading the original Bible. Really friend, I think it is that simple.

Again, I mean no disrespect to you or Freemasonry but if we are going to be teachers and guides to our fellow brothers and sisters, we need to make sure that whatever we teach is true and not just self serving to our fraternity or the books we read. hf

peace

st john and the

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Did you ever add in the fact that the number 7 is the key to the symbol?
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The star of David aka the star Tetrahedron
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As above so below.

If you exist in light, you exist in darkness
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As above so below.

If you exist in light, you exist in darkness
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We will transcend duality and realize we are ONE !
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As above so below.

If you exist in light, you exist in darkness
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We will transcend duality and realize we are ONE !
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The return of balance between male and female energies?
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Thus, the union of "the two Cherubim" in the Jerusalem Temple would appear to be the ultimate source of the "mystery of the Golden Altar" in the Masonic Temple.

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


My belief is that this would be the union of the Old Testament and the New Testament. Meaning, that of the jewish people and their teachings were passed to the Gentiles and their new teachings via the Universal Church. Working together, jewish people and Gentiles are living stones and examples to build our heavenly kingdom.

Hence, the golden altar is to represent the jewish and Gentile union.

Can I ask you Apollo where the male and female allegorical symbolism first came into effect or who was the first scholar to put this theory out there?

Of course I am NOT saying that in the Mysteries, the Symbolic union of male and female being a symbol of the Great Work is not both in Mystic Israel and Gnostic tradition and European Alchemy. I am just under the assumption that the "new" Solomon's Temple and the allegorical teachings to go along with it were to explain the union of the old testament with the new and how we (jewish people and gentiles) now work together in union in building the universal church.

The Freemasons were just "specialized" builders who were given a 'free pass" to work side by side with the RCC in propagating the new Solomons temple. Hence, they were gentiles and living stones.

I am not questioning the letter G or any of your other teachings here. Just he main reason for this allegorical story and in reference to the two Cherubim. In addition, I am not disrespecting the Freemasons or you for all I seek is the ultimate truth and not just other people's or author's temple theories. Hence, I question everything and everyone. Even the worlds best Freemasonry and Secret Society scholars because I have found many to be wrong or off base on some of their teachings and or theories.
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Friend, I have no doubt that it means that as well. The archetype of the Twins are of the same sex too, and Pisces is the twin brothers swimming in opposite directions.

The Rebis of the Scottish Rite symbolized the Eagles facing East and one facing West for two Empires.

Regarding the cherubin union, its always the combining of Opposites. The downward facing compass is the Sun in Masonry and the Square is the Moon. The Sun as Masculine, Moon as Feminine.

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


Cool, thanks for your reply AI hf

I do not disagree with all the other teachings that have been added on and or compounded to the Temple to teach the profane further, make it more magickal or to further conceal the truth. I am just questioning the true original ONLY meaning of the two Cherubim which is one being of the Jewish Empire and the Other being of the Gentile(Non jewish).

The eagles used in government like you said are the imperial power of this same said union. I do not disagree with that.

In addition, I am trying to locate the Freemasonry scholars or Grand Masters who first gave these allegorical interpretations to the Temple and to the two Cherubim. Do you know who that was?

As I mentioned, I do not go by anyone else than Saint Bede and his "On the Temple" book that was the first of our kin to write such a book in the 8th century and all books or interpretation thereafter are heresy or misguided if they did not read or use Saint Bede's On the Temple in their teachings.

:Bede 1:

It is akin to writing a book about the Bible and its allegorical teachings without ever reading the original Bible. Really friend, I think it is that simple.

Again, I mean no disrespect to you or Freemasonry but if we are going to be teachers and guides to our fellow brothers and sisters, we need to make sure that whatever we teach is true and not just self serving to our fraternity or the books we read. hf

peace

:st john and the :
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KT the real meaning of the Cherubim would go back to Egypt and probaly to Atlantis. The Alchemical and Qabalistic teachings are so old that much of it was passed down orally and thru symbols.

The First Masonic Scholars would have been from Egypt

As to St Bede. Id love to read that.

Im always still learning.
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As above so below.

If you exist in light, you exist in darkness
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We will transcend duality and realize we are ONE !
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


The return of balance between male and female energies?
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Yes, that is the goal. Its in the Pillars of Mercy, Severity and the Middle Pillar
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The star of David aka the star Tetrahedron
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"fire" and "water" =)
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Al, would you characterize the planets and stars as components of a sort of machine? like a complex interconnected device with specific functions/purposes
Put it in neutral!

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don't know anything about zion but it the star (which become that mekarbra in 3-d...) predates kabal with hindu and buddhist systems

[link to asonoflight.blogspot.com]

its all about the divine female



Why do you keep calling it the star of "David"? You do know it is not a jewish symbol and is much older? Quit promoting your zionist agenda.
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The star of David aka the star Tetrahedron
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"fire" and "water" =)
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As above/so below.
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Al, would you characterize the planets and stars as components of a sort of machine? like a complex interconnected device with specific functions/purposes
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Yes, we are all part of its circuitry, One day this secret wil be revealed to all mankind that we are all in a elaborate programming, like a Giant computer

The Planets send out pulses and radio like ways that influences our behavior , events and ionic field

The planets are also in charge of signaling cell processes, growth and division.

Scientists admit that electrical activity is seen in cell division, but admited they dont know where the pulses or signal is coming from. Its coming from the planets and the sun
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don't know anything about zion but it the star (which become that mekarbra in 3-d...) predates kabal with hindu and buddhist systems

[link to asonoflight.blogspot.com]

its all about the divine female



Why do you keep calling it the star of "David"? You do know it is not a jewish symbol and is much older? Quit promoting your zionist agenda.
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Of course, for example. Melchizedek who blessed Abraham was a Pagan King and many think he was none other than Krishna !
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Kundalini wants his hand back.
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Whats that?

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Know what pisses me off about all this and the freemasons in general? All this knowledge was STOLEN from the jewish people and their temple in Jerusalem and then all these crusading templar fucks trot it all out like it was their invention.

It's like you stole Hashem from us and act like it's yours. It fucking makes me very very angry. All this knowledge was stolen from the Jewish people.
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It come from the Israelites to the world, but recall the Egyptian connection!!
Hagar was Egyptian and Ishmael, plus his 12 tribes...
Recall the ideology of Judaism in that if your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish. Would that not also apply to Hagar in that, if she is Egyptian her children are Egyptian??

Israel's son Joseph was sold to Egypt and he was further educated in Egypt. Joseph was placed over all the land of Egypt. The Hebrews spent 430 years in Egypt.

Moses, was raised in the house of the Pharaohs. He was educated in Egypt..

Can you say that the Torah was not Egyptian influenced nor inspired? Are we not all HaShem's creation?
Who stole from whom?

Luxor beacon of

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rotfl
every single letter you just typed is a symbol
a symbol point to something.... ok?


Symbols MEAN NOTHING. My Gameboy Advance has a scratch of a cross on it and it still a gameboyadvance nothing else. Stop OOOHING AND AHHING people with lines and geometry. It's misleading with no meaning.
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My belief is that this would be the union of the Old Testament and the New Testament. Meaning, that of the jewish people and their teachings were passed to the Gentiles and their new teachings via the Universal Church. Working together, jewish people and Gentiles are living stones and examples to build our heavenly kingdom.

Hence, the golden altar is to represent the jewish and Gentile union.

Can I ask you Apollo where the male and female allegorical symbolism first came into effect or who was the first scholar to put this theory out there?

Of course I am NOT saying that in the Mysteries, the Symbolic union of male and female being a symbol of the Great Work is not both in Mystic Israel and Gnostic tradition and European Alchemy. I am just under the assumption that the "new" Solomon's Temple and the allegorical teachings to go along with it were to explain the union of the old testament with the new and how we (jewish people and gentiles) now work together in union in building the universal church.

The Freemasons were just "specialized" builders who were given a 'free pass" to work side by side with the RCC in propagating the new Solomons temple. Hence, they were gentiles and living stones.

I am not questioning the letter G or any of your other teachings here. Just he main reason for this allegorical story and in reference to the two Cherubim. In addition, I am not disrespecting the Freemasons or you for all I seek is the ultimate truth and not just other people's or author's temple theories. Hence, I question everything and everyone. Even the worlds best Freemasonry and Secret Society scholars because I have found many to be wrong or off base on some of their teachings and or theories.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


Friend, I have no doubt that it means that as well. The archetype of the Twins are of the same sex too, and Pisces is the twin brothers swimming in opposite directions.

The Rebis of the Scottish Rite symbolized the Eagles facing East and one facing West for two Empires.

Regarding the cherubin union, its always the combining of Opposites. The downward facing compass is the Sun in Masonry and the Square is the Moon. The Sun as Masculine, Moon as Feminine.

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


Cool, thanks for your reply AI hf

I do not disagree with all the other teachings that have been added on and or compounded to the Temple to teach the profane further, make it more magickal or to further conceal the truth. I am just questioning the true original ONLY meaning of the two Cherubim which is one being of the Jewish Empire and the Other being of the Gentile(Non jewish).

The eagles used in government like you said are the imperial power of this same said union. I do not disagree with that.

In addition, I am trying to locate the Freemasonry scholars or Grand Masters who first gave these allegorical interpretations to the Temple and to the two Cherubim. Do you know who that was?

As I mentioned, I do not go by anyone else than Saint Bede and his "On the Temple" book that was the first of our kin to write such a book in the 8th century and all books or interpretation thereafter are heresy or misguided if they did not read or use Saint Bede's On the Temple in their teachings.

Bede 1

It is akin to writing a book about the Bible and its allegorical teachings without ever reading the original Bible. Really friend, I think it is that simple.

Again, I mean no disrespect to you or Freemasonry but if we are going to be teachers and guides to our fellow brothers and sisters, we need to make sure that whatever we teach is true and not just self serving to our fraternity or the books we read. hf

peace

st john and the
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KT the real meaning of the Cherubim would go back to Egypt and probaly to Atlantis. The Alchemical and Qabalistic teachings are so old that much of it was passed down orally and thru symbols.

The First Masonic Scholars would have been from Egypt

As to St Bede. Id love to read that.

Im always still learning.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


I am still a student as well. You know this because I tell you all the time and often come here to the GLP to learn from allegorical people such as yourself ;)

But as you and I both know, we can all agree to disagree, rite? Like when you come to an online forum and you are still a student, but also a teacher, there will be debates on facts presented or theories that are challenged. This I hope you accept and treat with respect Apollo because often when I debate you or challenge a theory you then treat me with shallowness and weak answers to my complex questions.

I am not here to be a prick or make your life hell or anyone for that matter. Just for truth and for meaningful "two or many" sided conversations. Just please keep that in mind when you address me or anyone who may question or debate you.

The first masonic scholars were not from Egypt sir. This has to be one of the most laughable Masonic theories ever. While it sounds dreamy and ancient, it is simply not true and I have yet to see any Masonic scholar give any bit of evidence to the contrary other that the teachings and symbolism are similar. Bottom line, as far as teachings go and when you all refer to ancient Egypt and "other ages"you are making a mistake because while yes, it is a factor, it is not the "truth" of this age and to use other ages or references thereof is a mistake in teaching and should not be done in my humble opinion.

We do not have any written records from Egypt or Atlantis on the Temple or Cherubim that I can find and if you can please direct me to the sources for your theory, please let me know because if you do not have any supporting literature or facts, then you are just guessing and I am not.

Either this is the 6th age or not? Either this is year 2011 AD or not? Whether we are still abiding by the Grand Architects of this age or not?

St  John the Bap

What I do know is that we are in the 6th age (1 AD to now) and all teachings were modified or changed by the "grand architects" of "this age" who took the liberty to give us the meanings of the temple, the Cherubim etc. These grand architects were the original Caesars, doctors, fathers and saints of the church who many were also Gnostics and Druids.

Beda Old

The masons did not get involved and were not even given the hidden mysteries until a much later date of at the very least, 7th-8th centuries and were certainly not Egyptian Masons. They were the Doctors of the church and later, Bede gave us the new improved version of the Temple and its meanings.

Beda First Stone

As always, I learn from you and maybe once in a blue moon, you can learn from me ;)

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it shavite tantrisism the upright is male genital and downward is female genital, corresponds to all the buisness in western consiousness about becoming one at marriage or was that one in god?

Isn't it interesting that NOWHERE is the STAR OF DAVID mentioned in the Bible?

The Key of David though is mentioned.
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Well, it was in the SKY when Kings were anointed
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So, tell us outright what does it all mean????
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Like King Solomon, The Man will have both male intellect and feminine wisdom, A perfect combination to rule the people with compassion.

The Upright Trine is Fire. The Bottom Trine is Water.. Two combined is like the left brain and right brain working in harmony.
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Anyone else notice the "G" on the register when you check out at Target?
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7 is in the middle of the star

Why do you keep calling it the star of "David"? You do know it is not a jewish symbol and is much older? Quit promoting your zionist agenda.
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It is said, David had such a configuration in his birthchart which enabled him to be crowned as King


:starchart:
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"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
Revelation 13:18

The true symbol of the Jewish people is the menorah, a 7-candle holder with 7 being God's perfect number.

The Star of David is a 6-point star, with 6-triangles and a hexagram in the middle with 6-sides.
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This is where the sacred soveriegn white stone is, and where you will find it, not in a place called Mecca.
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The sage Paracelsus wrote:

First, and chiefly, the principal subject of this Art is fire, which always exists in one and the same property and mode of operation, nor can it receive its life from anything else. It possess […] a state and power common to all fires which lie hid in secret, of vivifying. The fire in the furnace may be compared to the sun. It heats the furnace and the vessels, just as the sun heats the vast universe. For as nothing can be produced in the world without the sun, so also in this Art nothing can be produced without this simple fire. No operation can be completed without it. It is the Great Arcanum of Art, embracing all things which are comprised therein […]. It abides by itself, and needs nothing; but all others which stand in need of this can get fruition of it and have life from it. Know, then, that the ultimate and also the primal matter of everything is fire. This is, as it were, the key that unlocks the chest. It is this which makes manifest whatever is hidden in anything.

By the element of fire all that is imperfect is destroyed and taken away, as for instance, the five metals, Mercury, Jupiter, Mars, Venus and Saturn. On the other hand, the perfect metals, Sol and Luna, are not consumed in that same fire […]. Fire separates that which is constant or fixed from that which is fugitive or volatile. Fire is the father or active principle of separation.[…] Fire contains within itself the whole of Alchemy
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Wonderful!!
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Why do you keep calling it the star of "David"? You do know it is not a jewish symbol and is much older? Quit promoting your zionist agenda.
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It is said, David had such a configuration in his birthchart which enabled him to be crowned as King


:starchart:
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"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
Revelation 13:18

The true symbol of the Jewish people is the menorah, a 7-candle holder with 7 being God's perfect number.

The Star of David is a 6-point star, with 6-triangles and a hexagram in the middle with 6-sides.
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yes, so?

666 is all of us,

Number of Carbon Atom, 6 electrons, 6 neutrons, 6 protons.

Number of the Sun is also 666.
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I thought that was so funny, dark mass 666 makes up all living beings on the planet. And carbon has a tetrahedron configuration.
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Anyone else notice the "G" on the register when you check out at Target?
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TARGET. BULLS EYE !

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It is said, David had such a configuration in his birthchart which enabled him to be crowned as King


:starchart:
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"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
Revelation 13:18

The true symbol of the Jewish people is the menorah, a 7-candle holder with 7 being God's perfect number.

The Star of David is a 6-point star, with 6-triangles and a hexagram in the middle with 6-sides.
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yes, so?

666 is all of us,

Number of Carbon Atom, 6 electrons, 6 neutrons, 6 protons.

Number of the Sun is also 666.
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I thought that was so funny, dark mass 666 makes up all living beings on the planet. And carbon has a tetrahedron configuration.
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Yes !

and physical mass makes up 10 percent of all the universe

Its the meaning behind the Christian 10 percent tithe. All tangible matter belongs to God.
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Shiva eventually calms down and becomes a descent good fellow. But there is also a lot of buddhism here and that is the calming factor. If I cannot completely transform my afflcitive emotions to the point that I am always nobel and walking in virtue wanting love and happiness for all beings; this was the seed that Jesus planted in our culture. Then my agendas, my world and any agenda, realm or world I extend myself too will be corrupted by my negativity. That is the state of this world today from all us collectively.

This is so funny as this is all Shavatie. So the middle East is really all about Hindu Aryian and Bhraman? Really not so surprising as Shiva was prone to mad rants and loved war and destruction in such a state.

Know what pisses me off about all this and the freemasons in general? All this knowledge was STOLEN from the jewish people and their temple in Jerusalem and then all these crusading templar fucks trot it all out like it was their invention.

It's like you stole Hashem from us and act like it's yours. It fucking makes me very very angry. All this knowledge was stolen from the Jewish people.
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Friend, I have no doubt that it means that as well. The archetype of the Twins are of the same sex too, and Pisces is the twin brothers swimming in opposite directions.

The Rebis of the Scottish Rite symbolized the Eagles facing East and one facing West for two Empires.

Regarding the cherubin union, its always the combining of Opposites. The downward facing compass is the Sun in Masonry and the Square is the Moon. The Sun as Masculine, Moon as Feminine.

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Cool, thanks for your reply AI hf

I do not disagree with all the other teachings that have been added on and or compounded to the Temple to teach the profane further, make it more magickal or to further conceal the truth. I am just questioning the true original ONLY meaning of the two Cherubim which is one being of the Jewish Empire and the Other being of the Gentile(Non jewish).

The eagles used in government like you said are the imperial power of this same said union. I do not disagree with that.

In addition, I am trying to locate the Freemasonry scholars or Grand Masters who first gave these allegorical interpretations to the Temple and to the two Cherubim. Do you know who that was?

As I mentioned, I do not go by anyone else than Saint Bede and his "On the Temple" book that was the first of our kin to write such a book in the 8th century and all books or interpretation thereafter are heresy or misguided if they did not read or use Saint Bede's On the Temple in their teachings.

:Bede 1:

It is akin to writing a book about the Bible and its allegorical teachings without ever reading the original Bible. Really friend, I think it is that simple.

Again, I mean no disrespect to you or Freemasonry but if we are going to be teachers and guides to our fellow brothers and sisters, we need to make sure that whatever we teach is true and not just self serving to our fraternity or the books we read. hf

peace

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KT the real meaning of the Cherubim would go back to Egypt and probaly to Atlantis. The Alchemical and Qabalistic teachings are so old that much of it was passed down orally and thru symbols.

The First Masonic Scholars would have been from Egypt

As to St Bede. Id love to read that.

Im always still learning.
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I am still a student as well. You know this because I tell you all the time and often come here to the GLP to learn from allegorical people such as yourself ;)

But as you and I both know, we can all agree to disagree, rite? Like when you come to an online forum and you are still a student, but also a teacher, there will be debates on facts presented or theories that are challenged. This I hope you accept and treat with respect Apollo because often when I debate you or challenge a theory you then treat me with shallowness and weak answers to my complex questions.

I am not here to be a prick or make your life hell or anyone for that matter. Just for truth and for meaningful "two or many" sided conversations. Just please keep that in mind when you address me or anyone who may question or debate you.

The first masonic scholars were not from Egypt sir. This has to be one of the most laughable Masonic theories ever. While it sounds dreamy and ancient, it is simply not true and I have yet to see any Masonic scholar give any bit of evidence to the contrary other that the teachings and symbolism are similar. Bottom line, as far as teachings go and when you all refer to ancient Egypt and "other ages"you are making a mistake because while yes, it is a factor, it is not the "truth" of this age and to use other ages or references thereof is a mistake in teaching and should not be done in my humble opinion.

We do not have any written records from Egypt or Atlantis on the Temple or Cherubim that I can find and if you can please direct me to the sources for your theory, please let me know because if you do not have any supporting literature or facts, then you are just guessing and I am not.

Either this is the 6th age or not? Either this is year 2011 AD or not? Whether we are still abiding by the Grand Architects of this age or not?

:St John the Bap:

What I do know is that we are in the 6th age (1 AD to now) and all teachings were modified or changed by the "grand architects" of "this age" who took the liberty to give us the meanings of the temple, the Cherubim etc. These grand architects were the original Caesars, doctors, fathers and saints of the church who many were also Gnostics and Druids.

:Beda Old:

The masons did not get involved and were not even given the hidden mysteries until a much later date of at the very least, 7th-8th centuries and were certainly not Egyptian Masons. They were the Doctors of the church and later, Bede gave us the new improved version of the Temple and its meanings.

:Beda First Stone:

As always, I learn from you and maybe once in a blue moon, you can learn from me ;)
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KT, I believe its about Osiris and Isis. And the Union of Positive and Negative Polarity is inherit in all things. The world runs on opposites and reproduction and left and right brain hemispheres.

Ill have to sleuth more on the facing Cherubim and its background as far back as I could go before Moses and Joshua recieved the commands on MT Sinai.

I thank you for all your support and studious time !

Ill get back with you, Im off to lunch now my friend

BY, anyone building a Temple for God inspired or the Temple of his body is a Mason. the Dimensions of Gods beauty and faith did indeed begin in Egypt with the Pyramids and its 144,000 casing stones of the Great Pyramid, signifying the Prophecy of Zion.
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actually acorrding to ayurvedic medicine if you boil or cook honey it ceates a toxin lol

Isn't it interesting that NOWHERE is the STAR OF DAVID mentioned in the Bible?

The Key of David though is mentioned.
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Because it was not called the star of david then either..it was called the star of molech! Its in there! And remember you do not find eternal life through signs and symbols..oy vey! Thank God for GOD!
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Frozen water crystals form a 6 pointed star and the honeycombs form the hexagram,

Evil ice and Honeybees ! Agents of Satan !
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Al, would you characterize the planets and stars as components of a sort of machine? like a complex interconnected device with specific functions/purposes
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Yes, we are all part of its circuitry, One day this secret wil be revealed to all mankind that we are all in a elaborate programming, like a Giant computer

The Planets send out pulses and radio like ways that influences our behavior , events and ionic field

The planets are also in charge of signaling cell processes, growth and division.

Scientists admit that electrical activity is seen in cell division, but admited they dont know where the pulses or signal is coming from. Its coming from the planets and the sun
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Do you believe in a non-material self/soul/jiva?

As in, the body is a vessel, and the mind is a device/function of the body, but the soul is distinguishable from the mind and the body (at first I wrote "separated" but I think "distinguishable" is more accurate)

If so, do you believe the emanations of energy from the planets and stars solely affect the body and its functions (including the mind), or the soul as well?

The Vedas say that the body/material universe is an emanation of God's "lower" expansions/energies, or Maya, and though we are part and parcel to Him, our bodies are only an incomplete part of God, and that God in His fullness is present within the heart as localized paramatma (I would describe it as being like a fractal), and the physical bodies of animals/humans/planets, etc are really illusory energies "covering" the true Self; would you agree that perhaps the "expansive" energies (out/up/above) from planets, etc specifically affect the body/mind physically and that the "contractive" energies (in/down/below) affect the soul from within

If you agree with any of this, would you say that the human body is like a conduit within a machine, the machine being the universe, and that the souls/living entities are the "electricity" that would otherwise have no conduit through which to perpetuate?

Sorry if my rambling is difficult to decipher, I lose the ability to properly structure a sentence when I'm attempting to describe something expressively
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