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Exploring the Meaning of : The MASONIC Compass "G" and the Star of David. by Apollo

 
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true that my buddhist teachers taught that virtue is the key and I dont think Christ would disagree either

Isn't it interesting that NOWHERE is the STAR OF DAVID mentioned in the Bible?

The Key of David though is mentioned.
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Because it was not called the star of david then either..it was called the star of molech! Its in there! And remember you do not find eternal life through signs and symbols..oy vey! Thank God for GOD!
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Al, would you characterize the planets and stars as components of a sort of machine? like a complex interconnected device with specific functions/purposes
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Yes, we are all part of its circuitry, One day this secret wil be revealed to all mankind that we are all in a elaborate programming, like a Giant computer

The Planets send out pulses and radio like ways that influences our behavior , events and ionic field

The planets are also in charge of signaling cell processes, growth and division.

Scientists admit that electrical activity is seen in cell division, but admited they dont know where the pulses or signal is coming from. Its coming from the planets and the sun
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Do you believe in a non-material self/soul/jiva?

As in, the body is a vessel, and the mind is a device/function of the body, but the soul is distinguishable from the mind and the body (at first I wrote "separated" but I think "distinguishable" is more accurate)

If so, do you believe the emanations of energy from the planets and stars solely affect the body and its functions (including the mind), or the soul as well?

The Vedas say that the body/material universe is an emanation of God's "lower" expansions/energies, or Maya, and though we are part and parcel to Him, our bodies are only an incomplete part of God, and that God in His fullness is present within the heart as localized paramatma (I would describe it as being like a fractal), and the physical bodies of animals/humans/planets, etc are really illusory energies "covering" the true Self; would you agree that perhaps the "expansive" energies (out/up/above) from planets, etc specifically affect the body/mind physically and that the "contractive" energies (in/down/below) affect the soul from within

If you agree with any of this, would you say that the human body is like a conduit within a machine, the machine being the universe, and that the souls/living entities are the "electricity" that would otherwise have no conduit through which to perpetuate?

Sorry if my rambling is difficult to decipher, I lose the ability to properly structure a sentence when I'm attempting to describe something expressively
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Fascinating thoughts ! Ill reply when I get back from lunch, See you soon !
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Al, would you characterize the planets and stars as components of a sort of machine? like a complex interconnected device with specific functions/purposes
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Yes, we are all part of its circuitry, One day this secret wil be revealed to all mankind that we are all in a elaborate programming, like a Giant computer

The Planets send out pulses and radio like ways that influences our behavior , events and ionic field

The planets are also in charge of signaling cell processes, growth and division.

Scientists admit that electrical activity is seen in cell division, but admited they dont know where the pulses or signal is coming from. Its coming from the planets and the sun
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Do you believe in a non-material self/soul/jiva?

As in, the body is a vessel, and the mind is a device/function of the body, but the soul is distinguishable from the mind and the body (at first I wrote "separated" but I think "distinguishable" is more accurate)

If so, do you believe the emanations of energy from the planets and stars solely affect the body and its functions (including the mind), or the soul as well?

The Vedas say that the body/material universe is an emanation of God's "lower" expansions/energies, or Maya, and though we are part and parcel to Him, our bodies are only an incomplete part of God, and that God in His fullness is present within the heart as localized paramatma (I would describe it as being like a fractal), and the physical bodies of animals/humans/planets, etc are really illusory energies "covering" the true Self; would you agree that perhaps the "expansive" energies (out/up/above) from planets, etc specifically affect the body/mind physically and that the "contractive" energies (in/down/below) affect the soul from within

If you agree with any of this, would you say that the human body is like a conduit within a machine, the machine being the universe, and that the souls/living entities are the "electricity" that would otherwise have no conduit through which to perpetuate?

Sorry if my rambling is difficult to decipher, I lose the ability to properly structure a sentence when I'm attempting to describe something expressively
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Fascinating thoughts ! Ill reply when I get back from lunch, See you soon !
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Written by Apollo Illuminaughty,
With qoutes/credits.

I would like to lead you all into a sample of the Grand Mysteries to which every Secret Society held sacred. It has to be experienced to be believed and within the initiations there is the key to immortal life

I wish you well on this voyage unto your own blissful union, and may you discover yourself whole and unblemished before the finality and wonder we call "God"

-Apollo


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The Masonic Compass "G" and the Star of David. by Apollo


The familiar symbol of Freemasonry is the letter "G:" in the interlocked compass and square that is put upon the altar of the Temple in the first three degrees.

The compass and square used by architect workers and builders. Freemasons learn to "square their actions" and learn to "circumscribe and keep us within due bounds toward all mankind":

The Compass and Square, usually called Sun compass and Moon square are easy to understand, but how about the letter G? Its been assumed to mean both God and Geometry. It also closely resembles the spiral symbol of the Mayan Sky god and healer, Hunab Ku.

:hunabku:

Let us look at the Ark of the Covenant for clues since the study of Solomons Temple is center in Freemasonry


What did the 2 cherubim on the ark of the covenant represent?

The answer which it gives is: "The mystery of the Golden Altar" (Dumfries Ms., ca. 1799).

Thus, the union of "the two Cherubim" in the Jerusalem Temple would appear to be the ultimate source of the "mystery of the Golden Altar" in the Masonic Temple.

QOUTE:
The letter "G" (signifying God's secret Name) appears between the intertwining compass and square and is paralleled by Philo's explanation that the union of the statues in the Jewish Temple represented God's "consorting" with the soul, and his "divinizing" of the recipient. Thus the compass and square are exact symbolic equivalents of the ancient Cherubim, i.e. the ancient "Male" and "Female," whose union was the central feature of the Wisdom mystery, and which brought about the candidate's deification. But we should also compare this unique symbolism with the Divine Image itself (Gen. 1:27), which teaches that God is male and female united; hence the sacred "G" appears only when the male compass and the female square are intertwined. " (shields research. /End Qoute)


In the Mysteries, the Symbolic union of male and female being a symbol of the Great Work is both in Mystic Israel and Gnostic tradition. and European Alchemy.



Heaven and Earth is also symbolic of God and his Bride, the Yod, heh, Vav Heh of the Tetragrammaton combining the Holy Family. It is also known as As Above, So Below.


Above, the celestial things, below, the terrestrial; by the male and the female the work is accomplished. Join the male and the female and you will find what you are seeking (Aphorisms of Zosimus)

QOUTE: But before they can complete this all-important work, both must die and pass through the "nigredo" state, i.e. the death and dissolution of the body. Zosimus appropriately characterized this stage of the mystery with the image of the "priest" who is torn to pieces and mutilated before he can be resurrected and discover the "Stone of the Nile." (Shields research/End Qoute)

The Two in One is also the Star of David , its center hexagram being the nara narayana or perfect state between man and God, or God and his Bride, this reflects the superius/inferius and externis/interius,from the Gospel of Thomas ("You shall enter the Kingdom when the upper is as the lower and the outside is as the inside.")

The Rebis and the letter G being the union of the Hermaphrodite God, The Union so complete that two become ONE and Inseperable.

:alchemy1:

Squaring the circle or the G is described in I Ching.

(ca. 720-474 B.C.) the heavens is round ( the compass delineates the horizon), and the earth is square (with its "four corners").

Yahweh says in the Old Testament verses, "I will set a plumb line in the midst of my people, Israel" (Amos 7:8). . . "Judgment will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet" (Isa. 28:17). . ."And thou shalt make an altar...(that) shall be foursquare" (Ex. 27:1). . . "When he prepared the heavens, I was there; when he set a compass upon the face of the depth." (Prov. 8:27) . . . "He has described a circle upon the face of the waters" (Job 26:10)

The Letter G is the perfect Symbol of the Divine Builder mastering both the Intellect of the Above with the Wisdom Below, The Sun and the Moon in perfect Harmony, In Santa Croce Cathedral in Florence, Jesus is above the main portal holding a workers square..

The Letter G in finality is the symbol of the Great Work pictured in the Universe card of the Tarot Major. In the Evolution of the Soul, Man unites his whole self in its original immortal ovoid and finds himself complete.

-Apollo Illuminaughty.


Idol1
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Well, this is GREEK to me...

Just teasing, I wanted to bring something up...

During the Greek Empire the Torah first was translated, then the full Hebrew Bible. Alexander the Great had the desire to add it to the library.
Translation occured from 3rd to 2nd century BC and finished in the 1st century CE..

[link to www.britannica.com]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It was called the Septuagint, or simply "LXX", is an Ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible. It's referred to in critical works by the abbreviation [1] or "G."

Is the letter "G" any connection to the Masonic Compass "G" and the Star of David?

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Adam and Eve were one being. They were male and female spirit meshed together to make a complete MAN without singular gender.

This is why God named THEM
ADAM, instead naming THEM
Adam and Eve.

8 Now this prophecy Adam spake, as he was moved upon by the Holy Ghost, and a genealogy was kept of the children of God. And this was the book of the generations of Adam, saying: In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

9 In the image of his own body, male and female, created he them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created and became living souls in the land upon the footstool of God. (Moses 6:8-9)

Allow me to paraphrase,

In the image of Gods own body which was composed of male and female spirit, God created man during the spiritual creation. Each of these composite spirit children was called ADAM.

Initially both Adam and Eve were BOTH created as one being and were called ADAM.

The spirit children of God are all created the same way… they are “begotten sons and daughters unto God” (76:24) in like manner during the spirit creation.

Before being separated, the composite sons of God were called Adam.

God had to separate the female intelligence from the male intelligence in order for our father Adam to become incomplete and for the fall to take place.

This is explained in some of the ancient texts-

“When Eve was still in Adam death did not exist, When she was separated from him death came into being. If he again becomes complete and attains his former self, death will be no more.”

“My God my God why have you forsaken me?” It was on the cross that he said these words, for it was there that he was divided.

“If the woman had not separated from the man, she would not die with the man. His separation became the beginning of death. Because of this Christ came to repair the separation which was from the beginning and again unite the two and to give life to those who died as a result of the separation and unite them. But the woman is united to her husband in the bridal chamber. Indeed those who have united in the bridal chamber will no longer be separated. ” (The Nag Hammadi Library James M. Robinson General Editor)

The gospel of Thomas quotes Peter as saying to Christ ‘Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.’

Jesus said, ‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven’” (Thomas 114).



The above quotes were take from this article

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This resonates with me.
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Written by Apollo Illuminaughty,
With qoutes/credits.

I would like to lead you all into a sample of the Grand Mysteries to which every Secret Society held sacred. It has to be experienced to be believed and within the initiations there is the key to immortal life

I wish you well on this voyage unto your own blissful union, and may you discover yourself whole and unblemished before the finality and wonder we call "God"

-Apollo


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The Masonic Compass "G" and the Star of David. by Apollo


The familiar symbol of Freemasonry is the letter "G:" in the interlocked compass and square that is put upon the altar of the Temple in the first three degrees.

The compass and square used by architect workers and builders. Freemasons learn to "square their actions" and learn to "circumscribe and keep us within due bounds toward all mankind":

The Compass and Square, usually called Sun compass and Moon square are easy to understand, but how about the letter G? Its been assumed to mean both God and Geometry. It also closely resembles the spiral symbol of the Mayan Sky god and healer, Hunab Ku.

:hunabku:

Let us look at the Ark of the Covenant for clues since the study of Solomons Temple is center in Freemasonry


What did the 2 cherubim on the ark of the covenant represent?

The answer which it gives is: "The mystery of the Golden Altar" (Dumfries Ms., ca. 1799).

Thus, the union of "the two Cherubim" in the Jerusalem Temple would appear to be the ultimate source of the "mystery of the Golden Altar" in the Masonic Temple.

QOUTE:
The letter "G" (signifying God's secret Name) appears between the intertwining compass and square and is paralleled by Philo's explanation that the union of the statues in the Jewish Temple represented God's "consorting" with the soul, and his "divinizing" of the recipient. Thus the compass and square are exact symbolic equivalents of the ancient Cherubim, i.e. the ancient "Male" and "Female," whose union was the central feature of the Wisdom mystery, and which brought about the candidate's deification. But we should also compare this unique symbolism with the Divine Image itself (Gen. 1:27), which teaches that God is male and female united; hence the sacred "G" appears only when the male compass and the female square are intertwined. " (shields research. /End Qoute)


In the Mysteries, the Symbolic union of male and female being a symbol of the Great Work is both in Mystic Israel and Gnostic tradition. and European Alchemy.



Heaven and Earth is also symbolic of God and his Bride, the Yod, heh, Vav Heh of the Tetragrammaton combining the Holy Family. It is also known as As Above, So Below.


Above, the celestial things, below, the terrestrial; by the male and the female the work is accomplished. Join the male and the female and you will find what you are seeking (Aphorisms of Zosimus)

QOUTE: But before they can complete this all-important work, both must die and pass through the "nigredo" state, i.e. the death and dissolution of the body. Zosimus appropriately characterized this stage of the mystery with the image of the "priest" who is torn to pieces and mutilated before he can be resurrected and discover the "Stone of the Nile." (Shields research/End Qoute)

The Two in One is also the Star of David , its center hexagram being the nara narayana or perfect state between man and God, or God and his Bride, this reflects the superius/inferius and externis/interius,from the Gospel of Thomas ("You shall enter the Kingdom when the upper is as the lower and the outside is as the inside.")

The Rebis and the letter G being the union of the Hermaphrodite God, The Union so complete that two become ONE and Inseperable.

:alchemy1:

Squaring the circle or the G is described in I Ching.

(ca. 720-474 B.C.) the heavens is round ( the compass delineates the horizon), and the earth is square (with its "four corners").

Yahweh says in the Old Testament verses, "I will set a plumb line in the midst of my people, Israel" (Amos 7:8). . . "Judgment will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet" (Isa. 28:17). . ."And thou shalt make an altar...(that) shall be foursquare" (Ex. 27:1). . . "When he prepared the heavens, I was there; when he set a compass upon the face of the depth." (Prov. 8:27) . . . "He has described a circle upon the face of the waters" (Job 26:10)

The Letter G is the perfect Symbol of the Divine Builder mastering both the Intellect of the Above with the Wisdom Below, The Sun and the Moon in perfect Harmony, In Santa Croce Cathedral in Florence, Jesus is above the main portal holding a workers square..

The Letter G in finality is the symbol of the Great Work pictured in the Universe card of the Tarot Major. In the Evolution of the Soul, Man unites his whole self in its original immortal ovoid and finds himself complete.

-Apollo Illuminaughty.


Idol1
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TY, that explains much.
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Are you a freemason OP?

First time I've came across you're posts so don't know your history on here!


the 'star of david' you describe, I take it you mean the one on the flag of israel? That is not the seal of Solomon -very different but is composed of two triangles pointing up and down 'as above so beneath.'

this symbol placed inside a circle is the necessary symbol to manifest a demon in this dimension I'm sure your aware.

Do you know the degrees after the 32nd and 33rd reveal a lot about what they are all about, their occult roots, and at the 90th degree they have to be ordained in certain religious organisations to further promote the cause. I think it is at this point the mark is revealed.

You are also aware I take it that at the 360 degree they are known as Olympians?
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p.s. I also know what the masonic apron is, and why the oblesik is integral to the freemasons. Or the pine cone sculpture in the Vatican lawns, or mentioning the flower of life which represents vortex points, corridors etc on the grid.

The list goes on, the information is out there.
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I think the pine cone represents the pineal, if I'm wrong Mr Apollo will correct me.
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Are you a freemason OP?

First time I've came across you're posts so don't know your history on here!


the 'star of david' you describe, I take it you mean the one on the flag of israel? That is not the seal of Solomon -very different but is composed of two triangles pointing up and down 'as above so beneath.'

this symbol placed inside a circle is the necessary symbol to manifest a demon in this dimension I'm sure your aware.

Do you know the degrees after the 32nd and 33rd reveal a lot about what they are all about, their occult roots, and at the 90th degree they have to be ordained in certain religious organisations to further promote the cause. I think it is at this point the mark is revealed.

You are also aware I take it that at the 360 degree they are known as Olympians?
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p.s. I also know what the masonic apron is, and why the oblesik is integral to the freemasons. Or the pine cone sculpture in the Vatican lawns, or mentioning the flower of life which represents vortex points, corridors etc on the grid.

The list goes on, the information is out there.
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I think the pine cone represents the pineal, if I'm wrong Mr Apollo will correct me.
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Fibonacci Spiral
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Are you a freemason OP?

First time I've came across you're posts so don't know your history on here!


the 'star of david' you describe, I take it you mean the one on the flag of israel? That is not the seal of Solomon -very different but is composed of two triangles pointing up and down 'as above so beneath.'

this symbol placed inside a circle is the necessary symbol to manifest a demon in this dimension I'm sure your aware.

Do you know the degrees after the 32nd and 33rd reveal a lot about what they are all about, their occult roots, and at the 90th degree they have to be ordained in certain religious organisations to further promote the cause. I think it is at this point the mark is revealed.

You are also aware I take it that at the 360 degree they are known as Olympians?
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p.s. I also know what the masonic apron is, and why the oblesik is integral to the freemasons. Or the pine cone sculpture in the Vatican lawns, or mentioning the flower of life which represents vortex points, corridors etc on the grid.

The list goes on, the information is out there.
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Pine cone is the Fibonacci, Flower of life is also the orbital pattern of Venus every 8 years..

Masonic Apron is the lamb, pure and unblemished.
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oops I was wrong
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Are you a freemason OP?

First time I've came across you're posts so don't know your history on here!


the 'star of david' you describe, I take it you mean the one on the flag of israel? That is not the seal of Solomon -very different but is composed of two triangles pointing up and down 'as above so beneath.'

this symbol placed inside a circle is the necessary symbol to manifest a demon in this dimension I'm sure your aware.

Do you know the degrees after the 32nd and 33rd reveal a lot about what they are all about, their occult roots, and at the 90th degree they have to be ordained in certain religious organisations to further promote the cause. I think it is at this point the mark is revealed.

You are also aware I take it that at the 360 degree they are known as Olympians?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1502917



p.s. I also know what the masonic apron is, and why the oblesik is integral to the freemasons. Or the pine cone sculpture in the Vatican lawns, or mentioning the flower of life which represents vortex points, corridors etc on the grid.

The list goes on, the information is out there.
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Pine cone is the Fibonacci, Flower of life is also the orbital pattern of Venus every 8 years..

Masonic Apron is the lamb, pure and unblemished.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


oops I was wrong
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You should watch some videos on sacred geometry, it will help you understand :)

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p.s. I also know what the masonic apron is, and why the oblesik is integral to the freemasons. Or the pine cone sculpture in the Vatican lawns, or mentioning the flower of life which represents vortex points, corridors etc on the grid.

The list goes on, the information is out there.
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Pine cone is the Fibonacci, Flower of life is also the orbital pattern of Venus every 8 years..

Masonic Apron is the lamb, pure and unblemished.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINAUGHTY


oops I was wrong
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You should watch some videos on sacred geometry, it will help you understand :)


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Just some food for thought.






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Know what pisses me off about all this and the freemasons in general? All this knowledge was STOLEN from the jewish people and their temple in Jerusalem and then all these crusading templar fucks trot it all out like it was their invention.

It's like you stole Hashem from us and act like it's yours. It fucking makes me very very angry. All this knowledge was stolen from the Jewish people.
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You cannot steal ideas

you can only copy them

not allowing this would hold everything back
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I am here to take the circusfreaks to hell btw
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I am here to take the circusfreaks to hell btw
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You will only do what the FATHER allows you to do.



And even As I type this you will diminish in any power you thought you may have.


You will not steal from the Father.
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Know what pisses me off about all this and the freemasons in general? All this knowledge was STOLEN from the jewish people and their temple in Jerusalem and then all these crusading templar fucks trot it all out like it was their invention.

It's like you stole Hashem from us and act like it's yours. It fucking makes me very very angry. All this knowledge was stolen from the Jewish people.
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You cannot steal ideas

you can only copy them

not allowing this would hold everything back
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What you think was stolen from you was giving to you by the Father.


And was give to you share with all his people.



Please don't let your Arrogance Destroy you.
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Cool, thanks for your reply AI hf

I do not disagree with all the other teachings that have been added on and or compounded to the Temple to teach the profane further, make it more magickal or to further conceal the truth. I am just questioning the true original ONLY meaning of the two Cherubim which is one being of the Jewish Empire and the Other being of the Gentile(Non jewish).

The eagles used in government like you said are the imperial power of this same said union. I do not disagree with that.

In addition, I am trying to locate the Freemasonry scholars or Grand Masters who first gave these allegorical interpretations to the Temple and to the two Cherubim. Do you know who that was?

As I mentioned, I do not go by anyone else than Saint Bede and his "On the Temple" book that was the first of our kin to write such a book in the 8th century and all books or interpretation thereafter are heresy or misguided if they did not read or use Saint Bede's On the Temple in their teachings.

Bede 1

It is akin to writing a book about the Bible and its allegorical teachings without ever reading the original Bible. Really friend, I think it is that simple.

Again, I mean no disrespect to you or Freemasonry but if we are going to be teachers and guides to our fellow brothers and sisters, we need to make sure that whatever we teach is true and not just self serving to our fraternity or the books we read. hf

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KT the real meaning of the Cherubim would go back to Egypt and probaly to Atlantis. The Alchemical and Qabalistic teachings are so old that much of it was passed down orally and thru symbols.

The First Masonic Scholars would have been from Egypt

As to St Bede. Id love to read that.

Im always still learning.
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I am still a student as well. You know this because I tell you all the time and often come here to the GLP to learn from allegorical people such as yourself ;)

But as you and I both know, we can all agree to disagree, rite? Like when you come to an online forum and you are still a student, but also a teacher, there will be debates on facts presented or theories that are challenged. This I hope you accept and treat with respect Apollo because often when I debate you or challenge a theory you then treat me with shallowness and weak answers to my complex questions.

I am not here to be a prick or make your life hell or anyone for that matter. Just for truth and for meaningful "two or many" sided conversations. Just please keep that in mind when you address me or anyone who may question or debate you.

The first masonic scholars were not from Egypt sir. This has to be one of the most laughable Masonic theories ever. While it sounds dreamy and ancient, it is simply not true and I have yet to see any Masonic scholar give any bit of evidence to the contrary other that the teachings and symbolism are similar. Bottom line, as far as teachings go and when you all refer to ancient Egypt and "other ages"you are making a mistake because while yes, it is a factor, it is not the "truth" of this age and to use other ages or references thereof is a mistake in teaching and should not be done in my humble opinion.

We do not have any written records from Egypt or Atlantis on the Temple or Cherubim that I can find and if you can please direct me to the sources for your theory, please let me know because if you do not have any supporting literature or facts, then you are just guessing and I am not.

Either this is the 6th age or not? Either this is year 2011 AD or not? Whether we are still abiding by the Grand Architects of this age or not?

St  John the Bap

What I do know is that we are in the 6th age (1 AD to now) and all teachings were modified or changed by the "grand architects" of "this age" who took the liberty to give us the meanings of the temple, the Cherubim etc. These grand architects were the original Caesars, doctors, fathers and saints of the church who many were also Gnostics and Druids.

Beda Old

The masons did not get involved and were not even given the hidden mysteries until a much later date of at the very least, 7th-8th centuries and were certainly not Egyptian Masons. They were the Doctors of the church and later, Bede gave us the new improved version of the Temple and its meanings.

Beda First Stone

As always, I learn from you and maybe once in a blue moon, you can learn from me ;)
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KT, I believe its about Osiris and Isis. And the Union of Positive and Negative Polarity is inherit in all things. The world runs on opposites and reproduction and left and right brain hemispheres.

Ill have to sleuth more on the facing Cherubim and its background as far back as I could go before Moses and Joshua recieved the commands on MT Sinai.

I thank you for all your support and studious time !

Ill get back with you, Im off to lunch now my friend

BY, anyone building a Temple for God inspired or the Temple of his body is a Mason. the Dimensions of Gods beauty and faith did indeed begin in Egypt with the Pyramids and its 144,000 casing stones of the Great Pyramid, signifying the Prophecy of Zion.
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I hope lunch was kosher friend. My day was spent at the beach with the family. Beautiful here in Southern California today ;)

As you and I both know, the Temple, its components such as the two facing Cherubim, their wings, how the they face etc all have some meaning and over time, many scholars etc have given their interpretations. My references will always go back to Bede not just because he is an ancestor of mine, but for the fact he was the first author rite after the Celtic Church, druids, Anglo Saxons and or bad ass brothers had joined the Catholic brotherhood.

It was at this time that the our Anglo Saxon, and other Pagan brothers needed to be taught the meaning of these special stories. But since we were in a new age with a "new brotherhood" in control via the New Testament, Rome, the church and several other factors, we had to give "new meanings" to old teachings that related to our brotherhood here on low and with respect to the old brotherhood as well who was incorporated into the New Testament. These I believe are facts and to go to another age or time without proof of a book or what I state here is just heresy or a theory. Again, no disrespect man, but I cannot see how anyone can dispute that and I do not expect you to.

In any event, no big deal. I love to join your threads and sometime debate you since you are one of the smartest people here and I do have fun testing you at times. Shit, you can't know it all man and I know I will die still learning.

This thread is not about the origins of the Temple etc so I apologize for derailing you a bit this morning AI. You know I do that once in a while. hf

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Apollo...I heard the "G" stand for St. Germain. Is this true?
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Apollo...I heard the "G" stand for St. Germain. Is this true?
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Not specifically, But he most likely completed the Great Work. =) Theres another G for you . =)
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I just got back !
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From where?
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what was that?
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what was that?
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the edit i mean.
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I am here to take the circusfreaks to hell btw
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You will only do what the FATHER allows you to do.



And even As I type this you will diminish in any power you thought you may have.


You will not steal from the Father.
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i will not steal from anyone.

So no one will steal from me.
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Know what pisses me off about all this and the freemasons in general? All this knowledge was STOLEN from the jewish people and their temple in Jerusalem and then all these crusading templar fucks trot it all out like it was their invention.

It's like you stole Hashem from us and act like it's yours. It fucking makes me very very angry. All this knowledge was stolen from the Jewish people.
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You cannot steal ideas

you can only copy them

not allowing this would hold everything back
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What you think was stolen from you was giving to you by the Father.


And was give to you share with all his people.



Please don't let your Arrogance Destroy you.
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i won't

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Apollo...I heard the "G" stand for St. Germain. Is this true?
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Not specifically, But he most likely completed the Great Work. =) Theres another G for you . =)
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Hey doofus

you sound like you're having an identity crisis lol

;)

u know
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Written by Apollo Illuminaughty,
With qoutes/credits.

I would like to lead you all into a sample of the Grand Mysteries to which every Secret Society held sacred. It has to be experienced to be believed and within the initiations there is the key to immortal life

I wish you well on this voyage unto your own blissful union, and may you discover yourself whole and unblemished before the finality and wonder we call "God"

-Apollo


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The Masonic Compass "G" and the Star of David. by Apollo


The familiar symbol of Freemasonry is the letter "G:" in the interlocked compass and square that is put upon the altar of the Temple in the first three degrees.

The compass and square used by architect workers and builders. Freemasons learn to "square their actions" and learn to "circumscribe and keep us within due bounds toward all mankind":

The Compass and Square, usually called Sun compass and Moon square are easy to understand, but how about the letter G? Its been assumed to mean both God and Geometry. It also closely resembles the spiral symbol of the Mayan Sky god and healer, Hunab Ku.

:hunabku:

Let us look at the Ark of the Covenant for clues since the study of Solomons Temple is center in Freemasonry


What did the 2 cherubim on the ark of the covenant represent?

The answer which it gives is: "The mystery of the Golden Altar" (Dumfries Ms., ca. 1799).

Thus, the union of "the two Cherubim" in the Jerusalem Temple would appear to be the ultimate source of the "mystery of the Golden Altar" in the Masonic Temple.

QOUTE:
The letter "G" (signifying God's secret Name) appears between the intertwining compass and square and is paralleled by Philo's explanation that the union of the statues in the Jewish Temple represented God's "consorting" with the soul, and his "divinizing" of the recipient. Thus the compass and square are exact symbolic equivalents of the ancient Cherubim, i.e. the ancient "Male" and "Female," whose union was the central feature of the Wisdom mystery, and which brought about the candidate's deification. But we should also compare this unique symbolism with the Divine Image itself (Gen. 1:27), which teaches that God is male and female united; hence the sacred "G" appears only when the male compass and the female square are intertwined. " (shields research. /End Qoute)


In the Mysteries, the Symbolic union of male and female being a symbol of the Great Work is both in Mystic Israel and Gnostic tradition. and European Alchemy.



Heaven and Earth is also symbolic of God and his Bride, the Yod, heh, Vav Heh of the Tetragrammaton combining the Holy Family. It is also known as As Above, So Below.


Above, the celestial things, below, the terrestrial; by the male and the female the work is accomplished. Join the male and the female and you will find what you are seeking (Aphorisms of Zosimus)

QOUTE: But before they can complete this all-important work, both must die and pass through the "nigredo" state, i.e. the death and dissolution of the body. Zosimus appropriately characterized this stage of the mystery with the image of the "priest" who is torn to pieces and mutilated before he can be resurrected and discover the "Stone of the Nile." (Shields research/End Qoute)

The Two in One is also the Star of David , its center hexagram being the nara narayana or perfect state between man and God, or God and his Bride, this reflects the superius/inferius and externis/interius,from the Gospel of Thomas ("You shall enter the Kingdom when the upper is as the lower and the outside is as the inside.")

The Rebis and the letter G being the union of the Hermaphrodite God, The Union so complete that two become ONE and Inseperable.

:alchemy1:

Squaring the circle or the G is described in I Ching.

(ca. 720-474 B.C.) the heavens is round ( the compass delineates the horizon), and the earth is square (with its "four corners").

Yahweh says in the Old Testament verses, "I will set a plumb line in the midst of my people, Israel" (Amos 7:8). . . "Judgment will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet" (Isa. 28:17). . ."And thou shalt make an altar...(that) shall be foursquare" (Ex. 27:1). . . "When he prepared the heavens, I was there; when he set a compass upon the face of the depth." (Prov. 8:27) . . . "He has described a circle upon the face of the waters" (Job 26:10)

The Letter G is the perfect Symbol of the Divine Builder mastering both the Intellect of the Above with the Wisdom Below, The Sun and the Moon in perfect Harmony, In Santa Croce Cathedral in Florence, Jesus is above the main portal holding a workers square..

The Letter G in finality is the symbol of the Great Work pictured in the Universe card of the Tarot Major. In the Evolution of the Soul, Man unites his whole self in its original immortal ovoid and finds himself complete.

-Apollo Illuminaughty.


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Well, this is GREEK to me...

Just teasing, I wanted to bring something up...

During the Greek Empire the Torah first was translated, then the full Hebrew Bible. Alexander the Great had the desire to add it to the library.
Translation occured from 3rd to 2nd century BC and finished in the 1st century CE..

[link to www.britannica.com]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It was called the Septuagint, or simply "LXX", is an Ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible. It's referred to in critical works by the abbreviation [1] or "G."

Is the letter "G" any connection to the Masonic Compass "G" and the Star of David?

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Adam and Eve were one being. They were male and female spirit meshed together to make a complete MAN without singular gender.

This is why God named THEM
ADAM, instead naming THEM
Adam and Eve.

8 Now this prophecy Adam spake, as he was moved upon by the Holy Ghost, and a genealogy was kept of the children of God. And this was the book of the generations of Adam, saying: In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

9 In the image of his own body, male and female, created he them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created and became living souls in the land upon the footstool of God. (Moses 6:8-9)

Allow me to paraphrase,

In the image of Gods own body which was composed of male and female spirit, God created man during the spiritual creation. Each of these composite spirit children was called ADAM.

Initially both Adam and Eve were BOTH created as one being and were called ADAM.

The spirit children of God are all created the same way… they are “begotten sons and daughters unto God” (76:24) in like manner during the spirit creation.

Before being separated, the composite sons of God were called Adam.

God had to separate the female intelligence from the male intelligence in order for our father Adam to become incomplete and for the fall to take place.

This is explained in some of the ancient texts-

“When Eve was still in Adam death did not exist, When she was separated from him death came into being. If he again becomes complete and attains his former self, death will be no more.”

“My God my God why have you forsaken me?” It was on the cross that he said these words, for it was there that he was divided.

“If the woman had not separated from the man, she would not die with the man. His separation became the beginning of death. Because of this Christ came to repair the separation which was from the beginning and again unite the two and to give life to those who died as a result of the separation and unite them. But the woman is united to her husband in the bridal chamber. Indeed those who have united in the bridal chamber will no longer be separated. ” (The Nag Hammadi Library James M. Robinson General Editor)

The gospel of Thomas quotes Peter as saying to Christ ‘Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.’

Jesus said, ‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven’” (Thomas 114).



The above quotes were take from this article

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 Quoting: Composite Beings 299326



This resonates with me.
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The Adams-----BTW, the male does determines the sex!

Dividing the SUN and the MOON...

Abraham had two great lights/nations come from him through Ishmael and Isaac. Israel went on to represent Isaac and was invisioned as the sun even by Joseph his 11th son...
Israel is the SUN representation..

The current DOMINATE SUN and MOON--representations:

WESTERN WORLD:
The SUN/Masculine Pyramid/Gregorian Calendar/SOLAR Western World Dominated by Christianity


MIDDLE EASTERN WORLD:
The MOON/Feminine Pyramid/Islamic Calendar/LUNAR Middle Eastern World Dominated by Islam..

They are currently very divided by their faiths....Two great lights.
If they come together, they will become the Star of David and will be ONE light.

The Hebrew Calendar is a SOLAR/LUNAR Calendar.....Gabriel holds the sun in one hand and the moon in the other..

Middle

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Yes, we are all part of its circuitry, One day this secret wil be revealed to all mankind that we are all in a elaborate programming, like a Giant computer

The Planets send out pulses and radio like ways that influences our behavior , events and ionic field
The planets are also in charge of signaling cell processes, growth and division.

Scientists admit that electrical activity is seen in cell division, but admited they dont know where the pulses or signal is coming from. Its coming from the planets and the sun
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Do you believe in a non-material self/soul/jiva?

As in, the body is a vessel, and the mind is a device/function of the body, but the soul is distinguishable from the mind and the body (at first I wrote "separated" but I think "distinguishable" is more accurate)

If so, do you believe the emanations of energy from the planets and stars solely affect the body and its functions (including the mind), or the soul as well?

The Vedas say that the body/material universe is an emanation of God's "lower" expansions/energies, or Maya, and though we are part and parcel to Him, our bodies are only an incomplete part of God, and that God in His fullness is present within the heart as localized paramatma (I would describe it as being like a fractal), and the physical bodies of animals/humans/planets, etc are really illusory energies "covering" the true Self; would you agree that perhaps the "expansive" energies (out/up/above) from planets, etc specifically affect the body/mind physically and that the "contractive" energies (in/down/below) affect the soul from within

If you agree with any of this, would you say that the human body is like a conduit within a machine, the machine being the universe, and that the souls/living entities are the "electricity" that would otherwise have no conduit through which to perpetuate?

Sorry if my rambling is difficult to decipher, I lose the ability to properly structure a sentence when I'm attempting to describe something expressively
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Fascinating thoughts ! Ill reply when I get back from lunch, See you soon !
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cheers

Enjoy!

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My great grandfather was a 33 degree ionic mason (ionic order.)

At times, I feel as a conduit for through which his energies and potentialities are perpetuated.
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