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To date, noting the final position only...there has been a total of 242mm of deformation in the Canary Islands. This is a combination of all monitored locations and does NOT represent the totality movements throughout the reporting time...ONLY the last current position to date and time of this post. If I documented the actual record distance minus the final positions we'd see a much higher number. 242mm converts to just over 9.5 inches.

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20 quakes so far today

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Anybody able to comment on the radiation absorption map? How is it that it all dissappears so rapidly? I mean dang...one day the planet is inundated at the poles and waves are reaching clear into the adjacent continents...and today it's all gone!
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[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Hope i can help. But i'm still learning. Generally absorption is from solar winds. When a CME passes, the dense wave usually pushes all material in space with it and creates a gap in behind the wave, similar to moving your hand through water or air creates a pocket in behind it.

That could be why after the CME reached earth, we can see a sudden drop off in absorption. Hope i explained well enough. This current simulation should help visualising what i'm trying to describe.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Can a CME gather up debris? Like dust, meteors, space junk, etc? If so, could it theoretically hurl it towards earth?
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I don't know if 'hurl' is the right word, but a gentle nudge, sure.

CME's definately gather dust and recently the predictions of the trajectories of the falling satellites such as UARS and ROSAT have been adjusted to account for solar winds. They certainly influence satellites.

Meteors, sure, but the larger the mass, i assume, the more difficult it would be to change the trajectory.
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Very well there is now new little volcano in the sea. I think that many will think that thing is over and there is now new tourist catch.

Well i think that yes there is new volcano. And now there is also new magma chamber beneath el-hierro and that magma chamber is growing one. It still takes it energy from hotspot.
Like yellowstone.
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Hope i can help. But i'm still learning. Generally absorption is from solar winds. When a CME passes, the dense wave usually pushes all material in space with it and creates a gap in behind the wave, similar to moving your hand through water or air creates a pocket in behind it.

That could be why after the CME reached earth, we can see a sudden drop off in absorption. Hope i explained well enough. This current simulation should help visualising what i'm trying to describe.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Can a CME gather up debris? Like dust, meteors, space junk, etc? If so, could it theoretically hurl it towards earth?
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I don't know if 'hurl' is the right word, but a gentle nudge, sure.

CME's definately gather dust and recently the predictions of the trajectories of the falling satellites such as UARS and ROSAT have been adjusted to account for solar winds. They certainly influence satellites.

Meteors, sure, but the larger the mass, i assume, the more difficult it would be to change the trajectory.
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Okay, I think I understand. So, this is not a dense, heavy matter coming towards us. More electrified air...sweeing down at us?
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"Current harmonic tremor levels in El Hierro volcano. Given by the current harmonic tremor level this eruption remains small. But the harmonic tremor is poorly to not being detected on nearby Canary Islands. The spike in the tremor plot is a earthquake.

It seems that IGN did rescale the tremor plot in the early beginning of the eruption. Making me draw false conclusions on what was going on in El Hierro. But it seems that the eruption is stable and has been from the beginning. But so far this is a small eruption, based on the tremor data. I say it is small because the harmonic tremor is not detected about ~60 km away from El Hierro. As a example in the eruption of Grímsfjall volcano, the harmonic tremor was detected clearly up to ~200 km away from the eruption. But the harmonic tremor signals how much magma is moving inside a volcano up to the surface. But not how explosive the eruption is. But explosions can and are detected on seismometers when a eruption goes explosive."


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Okay, I think I understand. So, this is not a dense, heavy matter coming towards us. More electrified air...sweeing down at us?
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Affirmative.

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Fuerteventura

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more Fuerteventura from the same chart

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so, here is the original 24 hour chart from which
the 2 magnified images above are take:

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For those of you who weren't here to see Hierro's webicorder change...this was the day!

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Notice they're calling it a webicorder...others here have called it a helicorder. Any difference in the two?
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The description of what a helicorder does...not so much of what it actually is
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The webicorder is merely a web display of seismic activity

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"Current harmonic tremor levels in El Hierro volcano. Given by the current harmonic tremor level this eruption remains small. But the harmonic tremor is poorly to not being detected on nearby Canary Islands. The spike in the tremor plot is a earthquake.

It seems that IGN did rescale the tremor plot in the early beginning of the eruption. Making me draw false conclusions on what was going on in El Hierro. But it seems that the eruption is stable and has been from the beginning. But so far this is a small eruption, based on the tremor data. I say it is small because the harmonic tremor is not detected about ~60 km away from El Hierro. As a example in the eruption of Grímsfjall volcano, the harmonic tremor was detected clearly up to ~200 km away from the eruption. But the harmonic tremor signals how much magma is moving inside a volcano up to the surface. But not how explosive the eruption is. But explosions can and are detected on seismometers when a eruption goes explosive."


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1. Has there actually been evidence of this re-scaling?

2. The eruption has quite obviously been changing since the beginning scratching

3. The Harmonic tremors are detected well over 60km awayscratching

4. I've been reading research today which suggests harmonic tremors are as much a result of the pressures stored in the volcanic gases. And pressure is a major factor, if not the major factor, in the explosivity of the eruption. Although i still haven't made a complete distinction between 'long duration' 'B-type' seismic waves and 'harmonic tremors', so i could be wrong on this.

Nothing against the guy, but i personally find it difficult to follow Jon's analysis and navigate his website.

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Anybody able to comment on the radiation absorption map? How is it that it all dissappears so rapidly? I mean dang...one day the planet is inundated at the poles and waves are reaching clear into the adjacent continents...and today it's all gone!
 Quoting: Idgits


[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
 Quoting: Idgits


Hope i can help. But i'm still learning. Generally absorption is from solar winds. When a CME passes, the dense wave usually pushes all material in space with it and creates a gap in behind the wave, similar to moving your hand through water or air creates a pocket in behind it.

That could be why after the CME reached earth, we can see a sudden drop off in absorption. Hope i explained well enough. This current simulation should help visualising what i'm trying to describe.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
 Quoting: TardisBlue


hey tardis, current , it doesn`t matter as such but will later,

nasa uses earth bound terms to hold it`s pressure model together and fuck with us

try translating the charts with this visual

solar current (wind) create constant motion of the different plasma regions and therefore into the atmosphere, especially at the stratosphere region, but actually all the way to the ground do these motion induced currents travel
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if you don`t mind of course rockon

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Tardits point 4. You are right that pressure is main point. And there is huge amount magma inside el hierro and it is now getting that pressure. It can be there anything between one hour -million year.

About those seismic waves go and visit new zeland geonet site. there is good and simple example how to read that kind of data.
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occasionally the current switches off

The Day the Solar Wind Disappeared


For two days in May, 1999, the solar wind that blows constantly from the Sun virtually disappeared -- the most drastic and longest-lasting decrease ever observed.
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that blows their mind and pressure model alien03

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hey tardis, current , it doesn`t matter as such but will later,

nasa uses earth bound terms to hold it`s pressure model together and fuck with us

try translating the charts with this visual

solar current (wind) create constant motion of the different plasma regions and therefore into the atmosphere, especially at the stratosphere region, but actually all the way to the ground do these motion induced currents travel
 Quoting: visual


if you don`t mind of course rockon
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If you're asking me not to trust NOAA/NASA models and not to subscribe to their subjective definitions on where Earth atmosphere ends and where 'Space' begins, then i concur.

If not, then you lost me completely. Use little words! Less syllables! It's getting late.
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What is it specifically that you think the models don't take into account? Surely pressure is in direct relation to the density. I thought they had that pretty well mapped.

Interesting link though. Thank you. Any explanations for the solar wind "die-offs"?
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What is it specifically that you think the models don't take into account? Surely pressure is in direct relation to the density. I thought they had that pretty well mapped.

Interesting link though. Thank you. Any explanations for the solar wind "die-offs"?
 Quoting: TardisBlue


When a CME passes, the dense wave usually pushes all material in space with it and creates a gap in behind the wave, similar to moving your hand through water or air creates a pocket in behind it.

" Since "Electric current is the rate of charge flow past a given point in an electric circuit", how is the solar wind not part of a circuit"

yes it`s me, i get "tricky" with definitions, i`m looking at a current, i never imagine wind

i never imagine pressure , i see electrical effects (charge)

sorry for my interruption, your right, it`s late

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Hi Idgits, is anything actually happening over there right now? or is it calm? thanks#
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There's still a lot going on. Patterns have changed again. Quakes occurring on the north side of the island where they began at months ago. Deformation occurring at an alarming rate. Magma is flowing steadily into the underside of Hierro...at present, it doesn't appear as though the main magma chamber has released any real pressure...so the proof of a true eruption is speculative at best...in my opinion.
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"Current harmonic tremor levels in El Hierro volcano. Given by the current harmonic tremor level this eruption remains small. But the harmonic tremor is poorly to not being detected on nearby Canary Islands. The spike in the tremor plot is a earthquake.

It seems that IGN did rescale the tremor plot in the early beginning of the eruption. Making me draw false conclusions on what was going on in El Hierro. But it seems that the eruption is stable and has been from the beginning. But so far this is a small eruption, based on the tremor data. I say it is small because the harmonic tremor is not detected about ~60 km away from El Hierro. As a example in the eruption of Grímsfjall volcano, the harmonic tremor was detected clearly up to ~200 km away from the eruption. But the harmonic tremor signals how much magma is moving inside a volcano up to the surface. But not how explosive the eruption is. But explosions can and are detected on seismometers when a eruption goes explosive."


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 Quoting: Idgits


1. Has there actually been evidence of this re-scaling?

2. The eruption has quite obviously been changing since the beginning scratching

3. The Harmonic tremors are detected well over 60km awayscratching

4. I've been reading research today which suggests harmonic tremors are as much a result of the pressures stored in the volcanic gases. And pressure is a major factor, if not the major factor, in the explosivity of the eruption. Although i still haven't made a complete distinction between 'long duration' 'B-type' seismic waves and 'harmonic tremors', so i could be wrong on this.

Nothing against the guy, but i personally find it difficult to follow Jon's analysis and navigate his website.
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I thought the same thing exactly. He appears to be reading scripts from IGN lately, to be honest. In response to

1. No relief in activity at all, except for the momentary draw back after Turkey's quake. I pointed out...there were 40 quakes that morning in the first few hours, just before Turkey's rocker they stopped. Only like 15 more for the whole day after that.

2. No TRUE evidence of an actual eruption has been presented in my opinion. The first "eruption" they showed footage of an underwater volcano going off but then recanted and said they had no equipment or boats in the area that could even carry out this type of underwater filming AND they stated they had no idea where the eruption actually occurred, which would totally void all footage of a supposed eruption. And, there was ZERO water temperature change in the area. I believe the bedrock above the magma chamber cracked and trapped gases escaped. To date, I have not seen any photos or films of the eruption that have been confirmed as having happened at Hierro.

3. Tremors have been showing up all the way to Fuerteventura...that's around 100 miles away.

4. The graph showed that the current energy accumulation is equal to approximately 320 tons of TNT...if something had truley opened up...I would expect a MUCH greater eruption. That's a shit load of pressure...and there's no way it would just trickle out. Even the science behind shield volcanoes shows that when an underwater eruption occurs instead of an open air eruption, the violence of the eruption would be greatly enhanced.
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What is it specifically that you think the models don't take into account? Surely pressure is in direct relation to the density. I thought they had that pretty well mapped.

Interesting link though. Thank you. Any explanations for the solar wind "die-offs"?
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One other thing they have commented on predictably is that this magma is VERY fluid. It's thick, but moving rapidly. Hence the reason for so much rapid deflation. If it did erupt, that stuff should be spilling out with any coagulation in the rift it opened up. It's not carrying large amounts of solid objects like some other volcanoes might because it's coming from so deep in the earth. And...one of the MOST telling pieces of evidence from this NOT being a true eruption...is pumaceous rock coming to the surface. Pumaceous earth is rare in a volcanic explosion. It becomes pumaceous, according to what I've read AFTER an eruption. The former eruption stalls, lava sets up, and then is sometimes squeezed or the basalt is washed out of the rock. The rock becomes VERY light weight and drifts easily with the current. It will nearly float at times it's so light. Underwater currents, explosive gases, etc., will launch it up to the seashore. There have been numerous photos coming out of Hierro's beaches, littered with pumaceous rock.
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What is it specifically that you think the models don't take into account? Surely pressure is in direct relation to the density. I thought they had that pretty well mapped.

Interesting link though. Thank you. Any explanations for the solar wind "die-offs"?
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One other thing they have commented on predictably is that this magma is VERY fluid. It's thick, but moving rapidly. Hence the reason for so much rapid deflation. If it did erupt, that stuff should be spilling out with any coagulation in the rift it opened up. It's not carrying large amounts of solid objects like some other volcanoes might because it's coming from so deep in the earth. And...one of the MOST telling pieces of evidence from this NOT being a true eruption...is pumaceous rock coming to the surface. Pumaceous earth is rare in a volcanic explosion. It becomes pumaceous, according to what I've read AFTER an eruption. The former eruption stalls, lava sets up, and then is sometimes squeezed or the basalt is washed out of the rock. The rock becomes VERY light weight and drifts easily with the current. It will nearly float at times it's so light. Underwater currents, explosive gases, etc., will launch it up to the seashore. There have been numerous photos coming out of Hierro's beaches, littered with pumaceous rock.
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...pumaceous rock that just showed up. Sorry, forgot to add that. Timing is everything!
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Was there ever recorded two seperate yet simultaneous eruptions from two seperate magma chambers in as close a proximity as the chambers under El Hierro?

What if these are two seperate magma chambers that both find different routes to the surface, erupting at the same time. Just a thought.

Not one but two active volcanoes in the region.

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Was there ever recorded two seperate yet simultaneous eruptions from two seperate magma chambers in as close a proximity as the chambers under El Hierro?

What if these are two seperate magma chambers that both find different routes to the surface, erupting at the same time. Just a thought.

Not one but two active volcanoes in the region.
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I don't understand physics all that well BUT...it seems to me that if there were simultaneous eruptions we would've seen a significant landslide because of the unstable areas between the two points. I see the possibility of two cracks in the bedrock, but not two consecutive or simultaneous eruptions. UNLESS...there is two separate magma tubes??? That would fly in the face of all evidence brought forward so far though. We've been told there is just one giant lake of magma down there and tubes coming from underneath the other islands.
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Tardits point 4. You are right that pressure is main point. And there is huge amount magma inside el hierro and it is now getting that pressure. It can be there anything between one hour -million year.

About those seismic waves go and visit new zeland geonet site. there is good and simple example how to read that kind of data.
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I checked the website. Appreciate your input. I could find descriptions of what the events look like on the recorder, but not descriptions of what was causing the different types of waves, beyond them saying they were volcanic.

Still looking for a thorough distinction between 'long duration' ('type b') seismic waves and 'harmonic tremors' if anyone can help me with this. Is a harmonic tremor just a protracted 'type b' wave? Are they both a result of resonance within the magma's gases or do they have different causes?
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Tardits point 4. You are right that pressure is main point. And there is huge amount magma inside el hierro and it is now getting that pressure. It can be there anything between one hour -million year.

About those seismic waves go and visit new zeland geonet site. there is good and simple example how to read that kind of data.
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I checked the website. Appreciate your input. I could find descriptions of what the events look like on the recorder, but not descriptions of what was causing the different types of waves, beyond them saying they were volcanic.

Still looking for a thorough distinction between 'long duration' ('type b') seismic waves and 'harmonic tremors' if anyone can help me with this. Is a harmonic tremor just a protracted 'type b' wave? Are they both a result of resonance within the magma's gases or do they have different causes?
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I found it! Woohoo!

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"The amplitude of the pattern is used to quantify the magnitude of an earthquake, using the formula M = log (A/T) + (source distance function) ; with A is amplitude and T is time. The source distance function is a correction factor for an individual seismic station. Because the scale is logarithmic, each ground motion unit represents an earthquake that is 10 times larger. But seismologists discovered that earthquakes radiate their energy over different time periods. As the amount of energy radiated by an earthquake is a measure of the potential for damage, seismologists also use radiated energy to describe the effects of an earthquake. Estimates of energy use the relationship, log10E = 11.8 + 1.5M. For example, an M=5 earthquake generates 2 x 1019 ergs, which is roughly equal to one atom bomb (or 20,000 tons TNT). A M=6 earthquake generation 6 x 1020 ergs, which is roughly equal to a hydrogen-fusion bomb, and~30x greater than a M=5 earthquake. This explain the rapid increase in destructive power of earthquakes as their magnitude only slightly increases. Comparing earthquake magnitude and energy released:

Magnitude Change
Ground Motion
(displacement)
Energy

1.0
10 times
32 times

.5
3.2 times
5.5 times

.3
2 times
3 times

.1
1.3 times
1.4 times"



"So, the energy release at an earthquake travels away like a 3-D ripple, in the form of both compression and shear waves. Consider a source near the surface of the Earth, say, and an earthquake in southern California. If there are discrete jumps in density, the path will show jumps in the velocity. The latter, a density increase with depth, is seen in the velocity of energy waves over much of the Earth's volume. The velocity changes do not always occur gradually. Relatively rapid increases occur at ~150 km, ~400 km and ~670 km. These steps indicate that there are changes in material properties at these levels.

A change occurs at ~2900 km depth, where we find that compression waves decrease in velocity and that shear waves have a velocity of zero. This major change in the Earth, the Gutenberg discontinuity separates the Earth's core from the Earth's mantle.

We see another jump in properties at ~5150 km depth, which means that the core is also layered. When we compare the properties of elastic waves through a material made primarily of Fe (like iron meteorites), it turns out that its characteristics match those of the core quite well. The variation in velocity of shear and compressive waves is fully explained by a liquid outer core and a solid inner core made up mostly of Fe, some Ni, and some heavily debated lighter elements such as H, O and S."


This is right on the boundary of too much science for me. I can just picture my highschool chem, bio and geology teachers starting at me waiting for an answer! LoL

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Maybe i should have said that the 'long duration' waves or 'type b' waves were defined and later used by Bernard Chouet to successfully forecast the eruptive phase of volcanoes and save thousands of lives in the process.

There is a good documentary from the BBC Horizon series called 'Volcano Hell' which describes what i am talking about. Or research Bernard Chouet. There are some great and clear transcripts of interviews out there.

[link to www.esi-topics.com]
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and have been discussing it briefly on this thread
Thread: Recent observations on Yellowstone for serious magmatards
Isaiah 55:8 'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.'
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10/25/2011 08:21 PM
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Correction, he calls them 'long period', not 'long duration'.
Isaiah 55:8 'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.'
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Re: Best El Hierro Thread On GLP - Canary Islands - ACTIVITY HAS RETURNED - AGAIN!
seismic has grown the last hour.
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