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3.7 north of la palma apparently..

Thread: Breaking !!! Earthquake Just North of La Palma
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This...at 79km deep is what will wake this monster. It seems either the archipelago is angry or we're finally seeing reactions to the tremendous number of swarms Hierro has had recently. What I find very interesting as well is the severe punctuality of recordings from Tenerife. That chart is loaded with quakes...NONE of which IGN is reporting. And...from past experience Hierro quakes dont record on Tenerife monitors unless its over a 3.5 on Hierro. Tenerife is getting hammered...and the area between Tenerife and Grand Canary is the fuel station for the volcanic flows to the other islands. Something serious is brewing people.
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totally agree

here's the latest EQ map at El hierro..

[link to www.avcan.org]
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OP, type 'Slope stability in the Canary volcanoes based on geotechnical criteria' into Google and click 'quick view' on the first link shown.

those quakes at Tenerife take on more significance too.

this entire area is a timebomb
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What happened to Id*gits??

He said he had to delete his account for personal reasons and then starts posting under a different name saying he is popping in and out....

If he is popping in & out, why didn't he keep his old account? His name has been taken off all his threads, is that what happens when you delete an account??

Just find it weird.....

He deletes his account and then there is renewed activity...

Has he got the feds after him??....scratching
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I've been under a week long IP wide ban by Trinity. Freakin BS. I finally gave in and bought the subscription...again.
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Welcome back....

Shame you had your probs. With the renewed activity, couldn't you do a new thread with all the information from the first post on here and link back to this thread??
Maybe making the title describe the whole of the Canary Islands instead of just El Hierro, this way, if there is activity on the other islands, your thread will always be active....

The reason why I ask is, your da man with regards to the Canary Islands and you have many people who respect you and your information.....

From reading Volcano Cafe, there is defo new activity and GPS movement data confirms this...Also, other islands are feeling things as well...

A new thread could be a potential lifesaver, especially when it needs updating constantly...The threat of a landside is still very real and having a person who knows his stuff, knows where to find it and is the registered OP (Who can update as & when) is highly needed under the circumstances....

While a new thread is a lot of hard work, it could be a life saver when the time comes...Imagine being able to get the information out and possibly saving millions of people if the shit hit the fan with this one...

I hope you think about it....You know your shit and despite your problems on here, you still have many people who respect you and will follow you on a new thread...
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3.7 north of la palma apparently..

Thread: Breaking !!! Earthquake Just North of La Palma
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23853917


This...at 79km deep is what will wake this monster. It seems either the archipelago is angry or we're finally seeing reactions to the tremendous number of swarms Hierro has had recently. What I find very interesting as well is the severe punctuality of recordings from Tenerife. That chart is loaded with quakes...NONE of which IGN is reporting. And...from past experience Hierro quakes dont record on Tenerife monitors unless its over a 3.5 on Hierro. Tenerife is getting hammered...and the area between Tenerife and Grand Canary is the fuel station for the volcanic flows to the other islands. Something serious is brewing people.
 Quoting: American Trappers, LLC


You see....

This is why we need you and a thread that the title can be updated...you tell it how it is, we need that....

BTW, I suggest having a read on Volcano Cafe, there is some great talk about what could be happening and there is some great plot Videos and pictures being posted...Well worth a read..

[link to volcanocafe.wordpress.com]
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OP, type 'Slope stability in the Canary volcanoes based on geotechnical criteria' into Google and click 'quick view' on the first link shown.

those quakes at Tenerife take on more significance too.

this entire area is a timebomb
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on page 4..

'5

As rock masses are constituted by a sequence of massive lava flows, scoriaceous and pyroclastic layers in uncertain proportions, it is expected that the equivalent Mohr-Coulomb parameters will correspond to intermediate values between the purely unweathered massive rocks and the purely pyroclastic massif. However, the relevance of the relative proportions between rock mass and pyroclastic, dramatically decreases when geologic conditions deteriorate. '

(translation - when magma is injected, and the ground above deforms, the status quo is disturbed, making a landslide FAR more likely!)
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At last count there have been 172 quakes listed for today.

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OP, type 'Slope stability in the Canary volcanoes based on geotechnical criteria' into Google and click 'quick view' on the first link shown.

those quakes at Tenerife take on more significance too.

this entire area is a timebomb
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on page 4..

'5

As rock masses are constituted by a sequence of massive lava flows, scoriaceous and pyroclastic layers in uncertain proportions, it is expected that the equivalent Mohr-Coulomb parameters will correspond to intermediate values between the purely unweathered massive rocks and the purely pyroclastic massif. However, the relevance of the relative proportions between rock mass and pyroclastic, dramatically decreases when geologic conditions deteriorate. '

(translation - when magma is injected, and the ground above deforms, the status quo is disturbed, making a landslide FAR more likely!)
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cont..

'Concerning this fact, three areas of special relevance have been highlighted for their potential risk of catastrophic landslides in the Canary Archipelago. 'Teide Stratovolcano' (Tenerife), with average slope gradient of 30 degrees, 'El Julan ' (El Hierro), with average slope gradient of 25 degrees and the 'Cumbre Vjeja Rift Zone' (La Palma), with average slope gradient of 25 degrees........ '



cont..

'All of them with slope heights higher than 1000m exhibit conditions of slope gradient that overcome the friction angle of their rock massifs and of low cohesion that became those areas as susceptible of suffering gigantic slides. (HERE IT COMES blink..) Internal cohesion will drop by shallow magma injection,..'
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Update 16/09 – 19:17 UTC
- 185 earthquakes until 20:49 UTC
- 1 M1.4 earthquake at 10 km, but this was the only one today at this shallow depth
- Diario El Hierro has the stunning title that IGN is analizing the earthquakes. What else could be expected from IGN ?
- Canarias7 could talk to Jose Mario Blanco (IGN). She says that she do not expect the quakes to become stronger than M3.2 at the present depth. She confirms what we wrote earlier on, that the epicenters are migrating gradually to the south.

[link to earthquake-report.com]
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OP, type 'Slope stability in the Canary volcanoes based on geotechnical criteria' into Google and click 'quick view' on the first link shown.

those quakes at Tenerife take on more significance too.

this entire area is a timebomb
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Nice find AC




From that article:


"Simple erosion or mass wasting processes occuring in previously unstable slopes"


Woah....
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I will think about the new thread. You guys have done a great job in my absence. Hierro is a time bomb, as is the entire archipelago. I think we're probably fortunate that Hierro has been the target of all this acivity instead of one of the most unstable islands like La Palma. Hierro has shown her strength.
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2012-09-17 01:24:55.858min ago 27.72 N 18.00 W 20 ML 3.0 CANARY ISLANDS, SPAIN REGION

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I will think about the new thread. You guys have done a great job in my absence. Hierro is a time bomb, as is the entire archipelago. I think we're probably fortunate that Hierro has been the target of all this acivity instead of one of the most unstable islands like La Palma. Hierro has shown her strength.
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Are these larger magnitude earthquakes than the swarming in sept 2011? 2 and 3 magnitude is rather large to me.
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Woah! More than 50mm elevation change in deformation yesterday

[link to www.ign.es]
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[link to earthquake-report.com]
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Woah! More than 50mm elevation change in deformation yesterday

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You see why I suggested making a new thread...This renewed activity is going to lead to something bigger me thinks...I know, I know, we have been saying this many times but there only so much magma that can fit under that Island...Somethings got to give at some point....

There is talk about this being the 4th injection of magma under the Island, apparently their wasn't enough pressure for it to erupt last time...

Now that we have a fresh injection of magma underneath the old one, we could get a build up....

I suggest people to follow this thread and the following blog to keep themselves updated on the latest situation...Unless AT fancies doing a new thread....iwish

[link to volcanocafe.wordpress.com]
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By the way AT, did you see this....

Thread: Uhh Ohh - Geomagnetic Field Anomalies In The Canary Islands Is The Cause Of El Hierro Erupting - Anomalies STILL There
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I will think about the new thread. You guys have done a great job in my absence. Hierro is a time bomb, as is the entire archipelago. I think we're probably fortunate that Hierro has been the target of all this acivity instead of one of the most unstable islands like La Palma. Hierro has shown her strength.
 Quoting: American Trappers, LLC


What makes think La Palma is unstable? My opinion is tha we are exaggerating and focusing on the worst case scenario.
I have posted this before but will do it again so we see another (maybe more realistic) view on this: [link to www.lapalma-tsunami.com]
Please keep it scientific, I don´t say it can´t happen but would rather focus on what is more likely to happen.
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3.7 north of la palma apparently..

Thread: Breaking !!! Earthquake Just North of La Palma
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Can´t find the La Palma quake, do you have a direct or another link?
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Thread: El Hierro / Canary Islands - Most Recent Information By The Most Diligent - And Recap Of Past Year


There ya go folks. I'm still tryin to put all of momma coops links on there for the vast info available through them. But...that's a start!
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I'll be posting over there almost exclusively now
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where is the accumulated energy chart ?
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There ya go folks. I'm still tryin to put all of momma coops links on there for the vast info available through them. But...that's a start!

I'll be posting over there almost exclusively now.
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Last Edited by shenue on 09/17/2012 10:34 AM
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OP, type 'Slope stability in the Canary volcanoes based on geotechnical criteria' into Google and click 'quick view' on the first link shown.

those quakes at Tenerife take on more significance too.

this entire area is a timebomb
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Agreed!
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Please go to American Trappers' (Idgits) new thread for continuing information
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There ya go folks. I'm still tryin to put all of momma coops links on there for the vast info available through them. But...that's a start!

I'll be posting over there almost exclusively now.
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We might get tropical storm Nadine coming over, don´t panic when the webcams start shaking at the end of next week..
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I will think about the new thread. You guys have done a great job in my absence. Hierro is a time bomb, as is the entire archipelago. I think we're probably fortunate that Hierro has been the target of all this acivity instead of one of the most unstable islands like La Palma. Hierro has shown her strength.
 Quoting: American Trappers, LLC


What makes think La Palma is unstable? My opinion is tha we are exaggerating and focusing on the worst case scenario.
I have posted this before but will do it again so we see another (maybe more realistic) view on this: [link to www.lapalma-tsunami.com]
Please keep it scientific, I don´t say it can´t happen but would rather focus on what is more likely to happen.
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type 'Slope stability in the Canary volcanoes based on geotechnical criteria' into Google and click 'quick view' on the first link shown.

there are THREE threats in the Canaries. La Palma, El Hierro, and Tenerife

volcanic activity under any of them CAN induce a catastrophic slide, and there is activity under or close to two of them at the moment, Tenerife and El Hierro

btw, that link you posted is NOTHING but a hit piece. yes, it's good to see all sides of an argument, but choosing one side over another is silly.

i'm undecided about the ocean basin mega tsunami potential of a slide, but one thing's for certain, it'll be devastating locally, and that in itself would be very VERY bad!
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I will think about the new thread. You guys have done a great job in my absence. Hierro is a time bomb, as is the entire archipelago. I think we're probably fortunate that Hierro has been the target of all this acivity instead of one of the most unstable islands like La Palma. Hierro has shown her strength.
 Quoting: American Trappers, LLC


What makes think La Palma is unstable? My opinion is tha we are exaggerating and focusing on the worst case scenario.
I have posted this before but will do it again so we see another (maybe more realistic) view on this: [link to www.lapalma-tsunami.com]
Please keep it scientific, I don´t say it can´t happen but would rather focus on what is more likely to happen.
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type 'Slope stability in the Canary volcanoes based on geotechnical criteria' into Google and click 'quick view' on the first link shown.

there are THREE threats in the Canaries. La Palma, El Hierro, and Tenerife

volcanic activity under any of them CAN induce a catastrophic slide, and there is activity under or close to two of them at the moment, Tenerife and El Hierro

btw, that link you posted is NOTHING but a hit piece. yes, it's good to see all sides of an argument, but choosing one side over another is silly.

i'm undecided about the ocean basin mega tsunami potential of a slide, but one thing's for certain, it'll be devastating locally, and that in itself would be very VERY bad!
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Again I am not saying it cannot happen, I am not taking sides but I only say you focus on the worst case scenario. And that IS taking side..
It is very unlikely to happen and this whole happening has more interesting sides than some doom scenario.
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I will think about the new thread. You guys have done a great job in my absence. Hierro is a time bomb, as is the entire archipelago. I think we're probably fortunate that Hierro has been the target of all this acivity instead of one of the most unstable islands like La Palma. Hierro has shown her strength.
 Quoting: American Trappers, LLC


What makes think La Palma is unstable? My opinion is tha we are exaggerating and focusing on the worst case scenario.
I have posted this before but will do it again so we see another (maybe more realistic) view on this: [link to www.lapalma-tsunami.com]
Please keep it scientific, I don´t say it can´t happen but would rather focus on what is more likely to happen.
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type 'Slope stability in the Canary volcanoes based on geotechnical criteria' into Google and click 'quick view' on the first link shown.

there are THREE threats in the Canaries. La Palma, El Hierro, and Tenerife

volcanic activity under any of them CAN induce a catastrophic slide, and there is activity under or close to two of them at the moment, Tenerife and El Hierro

btw, that link you posted is NOTHING but a hit piece. yes, it's good to see all sides of an argument, but choosing one side over another is silly.

i'm undecided about the ocean basin mega tsunami potential of a slide, but one thing's for certain, it'll be devastating locally, and that in itself would be very VERY bad!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22580089


Again I am not saying it cannot happen, I am not taking sides but I only say you focus on the worst case scenario. And that IS taking side..
It is very unlikely to happen and this whole happening has more interesting sides than some doom scenario.
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Show me how we have not looked at "EVERY SIDE". Nobody is shouting DOOM DOOM DOOM
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What makes think La Palma is unstable? My opinion is tha we are exaggerating and focusing on the worst case scenario.
I have posted this before but will do it again so we see another (maybe more realistic) view on this: [link to www.lapalma-tsunami.com]
Please keep it scientific, I don´t say it can´t happen but would rather focus on what is more likely to happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22770642


type 'Slope stability in the Canary volcanoes based on geotechnical criteria' into Google and click 'quick view' on the first link shown.

there are THREE threats in the Canaries. La Palma, El Hierro, and Tenerife

volcanic activity under any of them CAN induce a catastrophic slide, and there is activity under or close to two of them at the moment, Tenerife and El Hierro

btw, that link you posted is NOTHING but a hit piece. yes, it's good to see all sides of an argument, but choosing one side over another is silly.

i'm undecided about the ocean basin mega tsunami potential of a slide, but one thing's for certain, it'll be devastating locally, and that in itself would be very VERY bad!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22580089


Again I am not saying it cannot happen, I am not taking sides but I only say you focus on the worst case scenario. And that IS taking side..
It is very unlikely to happen and this whole happening has more interesting sides than some doom scenario.
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Show me how we have not looked at "EVERY SIDE". Nobody is shouting DOOM DOOM DOOM
 Quoting: American Trappers, LLC


You have not looked at every side. Whenever anyone disagrees with the tsunami theory they are jumped on, whenever anyone disagrees with you they are either banned from your thread or jumped on for having a differing opinion, I have even seen you rant at someone for questioning you even when they showed you evidence from Geologists to back up their side of the argument, I also witnessed you telling a poster you reported them to the Mods because they questioned you. Of course those posts are now gone because you deleted them before changing your username.

I agree with the above poster, this is a very biased thread and you ARE pushing a doomy agenda.
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type 'Slope stability in the Canary volcanoes based on geotechnical criteria' into Google and click 'quick view' on the first link shown.

there are THREE threats in the Canaries. La Palma, El Hierro, and Tenerife

volcanic activity under any of them CAN induce a catastrophic slide, and there is activity under or close to two of them at the moment, Tenerife and El Hierro

btw, that link you posted is NOTHING but a hit piece. yes, it's good to see all sides of an argument, but choosing one side over another is silly.

i'm undecided about the ocean basin mega tsunami potential of a slide, but one thing's for certain, it'll be devastating locally, and that in itself would be very VERY bad!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22580089


Again I am not saying it cannot happen, I am not taking sides but I only say you focus on the worst case scenario. And that IS taking side..
It is very unlikely to happen and this whole happening has more interesting sides than some doom scenario.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24127467


Show me how we have not looked at "EVERY SIDE". Nobody is shouting DOOM DOOM DOOM
 Quoting: American Trappers, LLC


You have not looked at every side. Whenever anyone disagrees with the tsunami theory they are jumped on, whenever anyone disagrees with you they are either banned from your thread or jumped on for having a differing opinion, I have even seen you rant at someone for questioning you even when they showed you evidence from Geologists to back up their side of the argument, I also witnessed you telling a poster you reported them to the Mods because they questioned you. Of course those posts are now gone because you deleted them before changing your username.

I agree with the above poster, this is a very biased thread and you ARE pushing a doomy agenda.
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You are truly crazy. You know that? Either you're crazy, or you're just a liar. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here and I'll just call you crazy.

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