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Best El Hierro Thread On GLP - Canary Islands - ACTIVITY HAS RETURNED - AGAIN!

 
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''oh, stfu. so what if the rest of the world drowns? as long as the Homeland is safe, I'm alright Jack!''

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volcanoob says:

April 1, 2013 at 14:06


and apparently the water above Bob has heated up some 3 degrees since last december, and the pH is slightly more acidic

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April 1, 2013 at 14:06


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vitual standstill on tremors today?
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one M2.5 quake SW FRONTERA only 2Km deep [link to www.ign.es]
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one M2.5 quake SW FRONTERA only 2Km deep [link to www.ign.es]
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April 1, 2013 at 17:36


That is quite close in distance to the 2.2 at 11km earlier today at 13:34 perhaps it has found an upward path. Probably wishfull thinking though. It would be handy for the El Hierrans to have a subaquatic eruption in that area.
1203308 01/04/2013 13:34:00 27.6450 -18.2858 11 2.2 mbLg SW FRONTERA.IHI
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''oh, stfu. so what if the rest of the world drowns? as long as the Homeland is safe, I'm alright Jack!''

rofl
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Oh how funny you think you are, you know exactly what the post meant. A few of you (or perhaps one on a pxy) keep pushing the mega tsunami theory, you know damn well that is what the 'tsunami' quoted post was aiming at.
I see the thread set up to fearmonger with was a big hit, you don't realise what fools you look.
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looks like the bimbo from yesterday who didnt like the thread- and who promised us she\'d leave- is back under a new AC #.

folks, just ignore her noise pollution and express what you want to say.
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looks like the bimbo from yesterday who didnt like the thread- and who promised us she\'d leave- is back under a new AC #.

folks, just ignore her noise pollution and express what you want to say.
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Bimbo? actually I'm just agreeing with that poster, must be hard to get your head around more than one person disagreeing with you. She obviously made an impact on you. As for me, you may call me Mr bimbo. Are you on school vacation? you should be revising your spelling and grammar rather than fearmongering.
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ATLANTIC AND MONTENEGRO

can any Hierrans or Spaniards explain what exactly this distinction means, since its off shore? the coordinates are very close to Fronterra, seem to overlap?
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ATLANTIC AND MONTENEGRO

can any Hierrans or Spaniards explain what exactly this distinction means, since its off shore? the coordinates are very close to Fronterra, seem to overlap?
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I see you chose to skip my post.
Anyway, there are around 10k residents on El Hierro. How many of them do you think are here?
They go to resources that they can rely on, not one of them are here thinking there is a mega tsunami conspiracy.
So, that thread that was made earlier, the one that would warn El Hierro of a tsunami on their island. Who was that directed at?
Oh and El Hierro is off the West African Coast, any 'Spaniards' will not know what is going on at the Island.
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This is a simulation of what could happen (please note I am not saying it will).

[link to www.youtube.com]
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That is a possible tsunami from La Palma, it has a different amount of material on it's island than El Hierro does so using that scenario is mindless. (not saying you are mindless btw unless it was you who made the video)
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I am quite aware this showed the Tsunami from La Palma but as El Hierro is right next door la Palma then suely the wave pattern would be the same.

Remember a small amount of debris in the sea could cause a small Tsunami but even at 1-2 feet a wave by the time it reached the other Canary islands it could cause some damage.

Its the power behind the wave that we need to be worried about not the size of the wave.
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Typing errors should say El Hierro is right next door to La Palma and spelling should say then surely .
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where are the folks from Spain who used to share an inside track on Hierro? can anyone recommend a good NEWS radio from canaries, and not just music?
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After a fairly quiet day yesterday there has just been a 4.4mb earthquake.

[link to www.02.ign.es]


3:46 lo fuerte los Mocanes3:46 how strong the Mocanes (Translated by Bing)

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Raquel Armas Zamora 3:46 muy fuerte en isor
verystrong in isora 3:46 (Translated by Bing)

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Lourdes Perez Quintero 3:46 fuertisimo y kargo desde el pinar

3:46 shocking and kargo from the Pinar del Rio (Translated by Bing)

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Raquel Armas Zamora Fuerte y lsrgo con vibracion de cristale

Strong and lsrgo with vibration of crystals (Translated by Bing)

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Rosabel Gonzalez Godoy muuuy fuerte sabinosa...me desperto,rellenando cuestionario

3:46sabinosa strong sooo... I woke up, filling out questionnaire 3:46 (Translated by Bing)

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Marcos Diaz Fleitas [link to www.ign.es]

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Rosabel Gonzalez Godoy otroSee Translation

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Yurena Acosta Padrón Sismo de 4

Javier Gonzalez Herrera Ntido en los Mocanes también 4:0 0Ntido in the Mocanes also 4:00 (Translated by Bing)

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Yurena Acosta Padrón 1203736 03/04/2013 02:45:26 27.7355 -18.2838 19 Sentido 4.4 mbLg W FRONTERA.IHI [+]

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Noemí Delgado Martel 3:46 Fuerte y largo!! Según el IGN fue de 4.4 pero en casa nos dio la sensación de ser superior porque nos pareció más fuerte que el de 4.9. Estoy cansada de intentar reportarlos al IGN porque despues de haber cumplimentado la página SIEMPRE me sale que es imposible en ese momento. Me parece que desisto!

!3:46 Strong and long! According to the IGN was 4.4, but at home he gave us the feeling of being superior because it seemed to us to be stronger than the 4.9. I'm tired of trying to report them to the IGN because after having completed the page always I get that it is impossible at that time. It seems to me that I give up

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1203736 03/04/2013 02:45:26 27.7355 -18.2838 19 -1 4.4 4 BORDER W.IHI
1203759 03/04/2013 03:00:04 27.7232 -18.3002 20 3.5 4 BORDER W.IHI

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followed by another 3.5 and 2.2 at Gilbratar
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2013-04-03 03:41:26.420min ago 27.73 N 18.29 W 19 4.2 CANARY ISLANDS, SPAIN REGION
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2013-04-03 03:41:26.420min ago 27.73 N 18.29 W 19 4.2 CANARY ISLANDS, SPAIN REGION
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The strength comes back.


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The strength comes back.


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2013-04-03 03:41:26.420min ago 27.73 N 18.29 W 19 4.2 CANARY ISLANDS, SPAIN REGION
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1203736 03/04/2013 02:45:26 27.7398 -18.2707 22 -1 4.5 4 W FRONTERA.IHI
1203764 03/04/2013 02:55:13 27.7007 -18.3263 19 2.9 4 ATLÁNTICO-CANARIAS
1203759 03/04/2013 03:00:04 27.7232 -18.3002 20 3.5 4 W FRONTERA.IHI
1203766 03/04/2013 03:03:25 27.7652 -18.2849 17 2.9 4 W FRONTERA.IHI
1203768 03/04/2013 03:12:25 27.7660 -18.2991 20 2.9 4 W FRONTERA.IHI
1203784 03/04/2013 03:13:36 27.7218 -18.3407 20 2.7 4 ATLÁNTICO-CANARIAS
1203785 03/04/2013 03:14:29 27.7205 -18.3034 20 3.0 4 ATLÁNTICO-CANARIAS
1203773 03/04/2013 03:41:26 27.7335 -18.2939 19 -1 4.2 4 W FRONTERA.IHI
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closely adjacent meridians tho n-s is sizable
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Another strong one.

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The La Palma Tsunami theory was launched in the media without consultation with leading scientists in this field.
The media have been happy to repeat the scaremongering without checking the facts.

The scientific community does not take the Horizon program seriously because they consider it to be largely a work of fiction.

Leading scientists disagree with the conclusions drawn from the original geological and scientific research. Many of the assumptions made by the program have been disproved by other research.

Supporting evidence 0 : Contrary evidence 7 and growing
The 'evidence' for the Tsunami mega-hype was produced by 2 commercial organisations working together. So far there has been NO independent evidence to support this hypothesis.

NO scientists have jumped to support this theory, not a single one.
NO vulcanologists have agreed.
NO geologists have agreed.
NO hydrogeologists have agreed.
NO tsunami experts have agreed.
NO wave experts have agreed

In fact distinguished scientists have shot holes in all parts of the theory.
There is much scientific evidence which contradicts the conclusions drawn.
Lack of supporting evidence any one of these fields would invalidate the whole mega-tsunami hype.

Lack of supporting evidence on ALL counts can only point to misuse of science and the media for commercial purposes.

Southampton Oceanography Centre
Researchers at the Southampton Oceanography Centre who have been performing research into the debris surrounding the Canary Islands have found that the landslides on the Canary islands and specifically La Palma have been caused 'bit by bit' and not in one huge catastrophic disaster.
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George Pararas-Carayannis. Paper published in Science of Tsunami Hazards, Vol 20, No.5, pages 251-277, 2002

Dr. Pararas-Carayannis destroys the La Palma Tsunami theory with well researched and presented scientific data. Almost every aspect of the Horizon program is proved to be false.

Abstract: "Massive flank failures of island stratovolcanoes are extremely rare phenomena and none have occurred within recorded history. Recent numerical modelling studies, forecasting mega tsunami generation from postulated, massive slope failures of Cumbre Vieja in La Palma, Canary Islands, and Kilauea, in Hawaii, have been based on incorrect assumptions of volcanic island slope instability, source dimensions, speed of failure and tsunami coupling mechanisms. Incorrect input parameters and treatment of wave energy propagation and dispersion, have led to overestimates of tsunami far field effects. Inappropriate media attention and publicity to such probabilistic results have created unnecessary anxiety that mega tsunamis may be imminent and may devastate densely populated coastlines at locations distant from the source - in both the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.

The present study examines the assumptions and input parameters used by probabilistic numerical models and evaluates the threat of mega tsunami generation from flank failures of island stratovolcanoes. Based on geologic evidence and historic events, it concludes that massive flank collapses of Cumbre Vieja or Kilauea volcanoes are extremely unlikely to occur in the near geologic future. The flanks of these island stratovolcanoes will continue to slip aseismically, as in the past. Sudden slope failures can be expected to occur along faults paralleling rift zones, but these will occur in phases, over a period of time, and not necessarily as single, sudden, large-scale, massive collapses. Most of the failures will occur in the upper flanks of the volcanoes, above and below sea level, rather than at the basal decollement region on the ocean floor.

The sudden flank failures of the volcanoes of Mauna Loa and Kilauea in 1868 and 1975 and the resulting earthquakes generated only destructive local tsunamis with insignificant far field effects. Caldera collapses and large slope failures associated with volcanic explosions of Krakatau in 1883 and of Santorin in 1490 B.C., generated catastrophic local tsunamis, but no waves of significance at distant locations.

Mega tsunami generation, even from the larger slope failures of island stratovolcanoes, is extremely unlikely to occur. Greater source dimensions and longer wave periods are required to generate tsunamis that can have significant, far field effects. The threat of mega tsunami generation from massive flank failures of island stratovolcanoes has been greatly overstated."
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Spanish vulcanologist Juan Carlos Carracedo


The Spanish vulcanologist Juan Carlos Carracedo who was first to spot the instability caused by the 1947 cracking was horrified by the sensationalism of the British researchers, stating:
'The error is modelling a phenomenon when there are no (sic) probabilities of it happening. It is as if one makes a model of what Madrid would look like after an atom bomb explosion. What interest does it have for the general population when the probability is not determined?
Adding 'In La Palma, there is on-going earthquake monitoring and absolutely no seismic activity has been detected... And retorting the claim of geological proof of the Canaries collapsing in the past, he informs us that. 'We are talking about a geological timescale, and the last time La Palma slipped was 560,000 years ago !
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Technical University Delft, Netherlands

In September 2006 a team of research scientists at the highly regarded Dutch Technical University at Delft published the findings of their research into the La Palma Tsunami phenomenon.
The report is devastatingly critical of all aspects of the BBC Horizon program and the scientific information that it was reportedly based upon.

Download Dutch language pdf version of their report
pdf report (448Kb)
[link to www.lapalma-tsunami.com]

English summary
This article has just recently been brought to my attention and I am currently trying to obtain an English translation.


The report states:

- 'La Palma has a very stable construction.'

- 'The island has an abundance of obstacles which would prevent any block from sliding quickly'

- 'Any block would break into pieces'

- They modelled the island, but 'whatever they tried they couldn't generate a significant tsunami'

- they even modelled the island higher and steeper but still couldn't get La Palma to slide into the sea.

- 'the so-called steam-kettle effect was modelled, but simply blew some steam out through the top of the ridge but excerpted no lateral pressure. (Needed by Ward/Day/McGuire to kick-start the rock-slide)'

- 'they calculated that the lateral pressure needed to move half of La Palma would be the equivalent of 600 million jet-fighter engines'

- 'the island might possibly become unstable if the island grows taller, at the current rate that would take at least 10000 years'

- of the BBC Horizon programs claim that 'a huge massive block of rock is just waiting to slide into the sea' they accuse the researchers (Ward/Day/McGuire) of having 'a complete lack of insight into ground mechanics'

- even under the most extreme circumstances they could only create a wave 15cm to 100cm tall at the coast of America

- the Delft researchers join the chorus of scientists who state that Ward/Day/McGuire used an incorrect algorithm to calculate the size of the tsunami.

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