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Thoughtful Discussion of the Gospel of Thomas

 
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Gnosis IS awakening.

80. Jesus said, "Whoever has come to know the world has discovered the body, and whoever has discovered the body, of that one the world is not worthy."
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered the fabric, and whoever has discovered the fabric, of that one the world is not worthy."

why do i desire to substitute fabric for body
 Quoting: aether


I think its because your getting ready to inherit a spirit body in 3d to help bring about 4d. It should be more than just flesh and the fabric of the world as we know it.
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you know hills
you may be right 1rof1
it`s a mood thing
i imagine
 Quoting: aether


Haha, it really is those, same for me too waiting on my big break so to speak, ya know? It's good though your like beyond the faith and the knowing part in your spirit, probably invisioning it more and more lately without even realizing or sensing something and wondering what it is. Haha, just waiting with the highest of expectations in a way and knowing they'll all still be met and exceeded.

At least that's how I been feeling and we seem to have a similar uniquness about ourselves, you and I I mean Aether, your take often helps me see what I'm trying to say in words easier for people to agree upon, haha.
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Yes, we wake, we awaken others and we emmanate it out and it spreads like fire.

105. Jesus said, "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore."

106. Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move."

107. Jesus said, "The (Father's) kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it. After he had toiled, he said to the sheep, 'I love you more than the ninety-nine.'"

108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


Trying to figure out the one about ' children of the whore'..????
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Yes, we wake, we awaken others and we emanate it out and it spreads like fire.

105. Jesus said, "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore."

106. Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move."

107. Jesus said, "The (Father's) kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it. After he had toiled, he said to the sheep, 'I love you more than the ninety-nine.'"

108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


Trying to figure out the one about ' children of the whore'..????
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


I see at as a dig at the authorities... that those who acknowledge both mother and father will be reviled for it. A warning of what will befall the followers of the true path. There's no condemnation in the statement that I can see. It's exactly what happened to the Gnostics... the Church reviled them and eradicated them.
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Agreed, I've let go of vanity. Will own I was tied to it, the concept of external beauty. I covered my mirrors, eschewed my "makeup" and let my hair grow wild. I've felt closer to the source since then. External beauty means nothing... it's the internal that should be cultivated (in my view). I haven't had anyone running from me like I'm hideous, so it's all good, lol. I have noticed my waist long hair's beginning to make my family and friends uncomfortable, mostly women folk who seem... jealous or stifled though... asking me when I'll cut it. I won't. I feel it's as it should be.
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


I agree, I used to be ultra vain when I was young now I realise what's important is on the inside. I was much happier when I was a youngster when I was just myself. I have learned that the least important words in this world are " I, me, and mine and of course 'want'.
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Yes, we wake, we awaken others and we emmanate it out and it spreads like fire.

105. Jesus said, "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore."

106. Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move."

107. Jesus said, "The (Father's) kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it. After he had toiled, he said to the sheep, 'I love you more than the ninety-nine.'"

108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


Trying to figure out the one about ' children of the whore'..????
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


I believe it's saying those who accept the Holy Union of Rebis, or God and His Bride, will accept them thru faith as the Mother and Father of Heaven, for a time the faithful will be treated like bastards, fatherless children, and their Mother will be slandered as a whore until it has come to pass that it is on Earth as it is in Heaven.
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Yes, we wake, we awaken others and we emanate it out and it spreads like fire.

105. Jesus said, "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore."

106. Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move."

107. Jesus said, "The (Father's) kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it. After he had toiled, he said to the sheep, 'I love you more than the ninety-nine.'"

108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


Trying to figure out the one about ' children of the whore'..????
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


I see at as a dig at the authorities... that those who acknowledge both mother and father will be reviled for it. A warning of what will befall the followers of the true path. There's no condemnation in the statement that I can see. It's exactly what happened to the Gnostics... the Church reviled them and eradicated them.
 Quoting: Miss Portinari


Haha, that's how I'd say it if I wasn't a Megalomaniac.


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Agreed, I've let go of vanity. Will own I was tied to it, the concept of external beauty. I covered my mirrors, eschewed my "makeup" and let my hair grow wild. I've felt closer to the source since then. External beauty means nothing... it's the internal that should be cultivated (in my view). I haven't had anyone running from me like I'm hideous, so it's all good, lol. I have noticed my waist long hair's beginning to make my family and friends uncomfortable, mostly women folk who seem... jealous or stifled though... asking me when I'll cut it. I won't. I feel it's as it should be.
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


I agree, I used to be ultra vain when I was young now I realise what's important is on the inside. I was much happier when I was a youngster when I was just myself. I have learned that the least important words in this world are " I, me, and mine and of course 'want'.
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


Thank you for reminding me of this. We were talking about hair earlier and it relates :) My big thing now is learning how to balance my sense of extreme hospitality to the point I'm not overrun with guests constantly. And thanks for helping us revive this thread. I'd forgotten how enlightening and fun it was when it was active.
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Sorry but, None of this sounds like anything Jesus or Peter would have said HONESTLY COME ON

The link to your Thomas book woohoo(total baloney)
[link to www.gnosis.org]

[Saying probably added to the original collection at a later date:]
114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life."

Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."
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I believe this is False Doctrine Invented by bored or crazy monks,or do we think God hates Women?

"There is neither jewish nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book" Revelation 22:18

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. " Revelation 22:19

Can you see the Gaping Contradictions between the fictional book of Thomas and The rest of the Gospel?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1406613


I believe it was saying they'd never accept Her, Magdalene, as His equal on the war council or church affairs(depending your take), so Immanuel told Cephas not to worry about it because there was one more life to be lived before the second coming and in that life she would live as a man to help bridge this. I believe He was also trying to remind them it probably wasn't the first time for the two of them either, pretty sure before Catholics started preaching celebacy this is what the Chinese Zodiac meant by the ultimate test of lovers, not being born a couple of homos.

Much like Immanuel trying to bridge Himself to the Council of The Women of Scars.
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Yes, we wake, we awaken others and we emanate it out and it spreads like fire.

105. Jesus said, "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore."

106. Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move."

107. Jesus said, "The (Father's) kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it. After he had toiled, he said to the sheep, 'I love you more than the ninety-nine.'"

108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


Trying to figure out the one about ' children of the whore'..????
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


I see at as a dig at the authorities... that those who acknowledge both mother and father will be reviled for it. A warning of what will befall the followers of the true path. There's no condemnation in the statement that I can see. It's exactly what happened to the Gnostics... the Church reviled them and eradicated them.
 Quoting: Miss Portinari


Thankyou, I had thought it meant that. Makes sense now.
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You know I've read the 'todays Bible' over and over and it always seemed to me that massive chunks were missing in it, like pieces of a puzzle and some parts seemed 'hypocritical' from what I further read in it. It wasn't until I read the Book of Enoch that I found many missing pieces to that puzzle and it brought the story into better focus. I crave to know all the words of Jesus not just a bite here and there, there has to be much more than what we've been told.. Now I need to get the gospel of Thomas..lol..
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The entire Nag Hammadi is fascinating :) The texts are online along with other Gnostic books that were left out. You can view them at:

[link to www.gnosis.org]
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The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind.
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Yes, we wake, we awaken others and we emmanate it out and it spreads like fire.

105. Jesus said, "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore."

106. Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move."

107. Jesus said, "The (Father's) kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it. After he had toiled, he said to the sheep, 'I love you more than the ninety-nine.'"

108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


Trying to figure out the one about ' children of the whore'..????
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


I believe it's saying those who accept the Holy Union of Rebis, or God and His Bride, will accept them thru faith as the Mother and Father of Heaven, for a time the faithful will be treated like bastards, fatherless children, and their Mother will be slandered as a whore until it has come to pass that it is on Earth as it is in Heaven.
 Quoting: HilosPP


‘Blasphemed’ as the whore. Not slaughtered. Sacrifice is old paradigm. This is reflected back in the Gnostic poem, “Thunder of the Perfect Mind”. Hearing that poem is to listen the sound of “Om”. The first and the last.
The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind.
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Yes, we wake, we awaken others and we emmanate it out and it spreads like fire.

105. Jesus said, "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore."

106. Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move."

107. Jesus said, "The (Father's) kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it. After he had toiled, he said to the sheep, 'I love you more than the ninety-nine.'"

108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


Trying to figure out the one about ' children of the whore'..????
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


I believe it's saying those who accept the Holy Union of Rebis, or God and His Bride, will accept them thru faith as the Mother and Father of Heaven, for a time the faithful will be treated like bastards, fatherless children, and their Mother will be slandered as a whore until it has come to pass that it is on Earth as it is in Heaven.
 Quoting: HilosPP


‘Blasphemed’ as the whore. Not slaughtered. Sacrifice is old paradigm. This is reflected back in the Gnostic poem, “Thunder of the Perfect Mind”. Hearing that poem is to listen the sound of “Om”. The first and the last.
 Quoting: A Muse Me


Yes, but that's hers to own.
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Trying to figure out the one about ' children of the whore'..????
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


I believe it's saying those who accept the Holy Union of Rebis, or God and His Bride, will accept them thru faith as the Mother and Father of Heaven, for a time the faithful will be treated like bastards, fatherless children, and their Mother will be slandered as a whore until it has come to pass that it is on Earth as it is in Heaven.
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‘Blasphemed’ as the whore. Not slaughtered. Sacrifice is old paradigm. This is reflected back in the Gnostic poem, “Thunder of the Perfect Mind”. Hearing that poem is to listen the sound of “Om”. The first and the last.
 Quoting: A Muse Me


Yes, but that's hers to own.
 Quoting: HilosPP


She does own it in the Thunder of the Perfect Mind Gnostic poem. Someone posted the poem in one of my threads. My work owns the Gnostic understanding too with with the language, “Perfect in the light of sex.” My work is Gnostic. A practice known as mythopoesis. Most Gnostic poetry is written via this methodology.
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Sounds fascinating, I'm growing fonder of Gnostic teachings as well.
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Yes, we wake, we awaken others and we emmanate it out and it spreads like fire.

105. Jesus said, "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore."

106. Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move."

107. Jesus said, "The (Father's) kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it. After he had toiled, he said to the sheep, 'I love you more than the ninety-nine.'"

108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


Trying to figure out the one about ' children of the whore'..????
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


I believe it's saying those who accept the Holy Union of Rebis, or God and His Bride, will accept them thru faith as the Mother and Father of Heaven, for a time the faithful will be treated like bastards, fatherless children, and their Mother will be slandered as a whore until it has come to pass that it is on Earth as it is in Heaven.
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wow..thats what I was thinking.
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Sounds fascinating, I'm growing fonder of Gnostic teachings as well.
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you should read Jane Lead. 16th century. When I first found her writings...It was like I was reading my own life . Many of the things she wrote happened to me the same way.
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I have read an article, from a source I trust implicitly, what they call & have in their possesion, The lost testament of Judas.

It would make your head spin, would you like to read it too?

Don't bother if you are a Christian, you will only rebuke it, save yourself the frustration.
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that the kingdom of god is within;
"Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there".

The movie Stigmata is sort of based on this gospel.
A lot of Hollywood sensation, but might be a good watch if you are really in to it. Not a bad movie.
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I have read an article, from a source I trust implicitly, what they call & have in their possesion, The lost testament of Judas.

It would make your head spin, would you like to read it too?

Don't bother if you are a Christian, you will only rebuke it, save yourself the frustration.
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I know several Christians who've read the Judas gospel. Not all are closed minded, some actually think for themselves. That's what we were given discernment for :) There's something so narrow and petty about anyone who discounts anything off the beaten path as "satanic". It's like they're quoting their preacher and have no minds of their own!
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Yes, we wake, we awaken others and we emmanate it out and it spreads like fire.

105. Jesus said, "Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore."

106. Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move."

107. Jesus said, "The (Father's) kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine and looked for the one until he found it. After he had toiled, he said to the sheep, 'I love you more than the ninety-nine.'"

108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


Trying to figure out the one about ' children of the whore'..????
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


It has to do with a action prior to the creation of man. A entity created something without concent of the other, aka whore.

We are a product of the non-concented creation

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"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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restoration of fallen mankind is near.
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There may indeed be three score queens and four score concubines, and even virgins without number, but His undefiled is the only one who is fair as the moon, clear as the sun and as terrible as an army with banners, for she is solely His.

She has left the sanctuaries of men and their theology, and has come out from among them that dance around a golden calf, the making of their own hands, entrusting herself completely and without reserve to the Lord, who is her Shepherd.


She has allowed Him to wrap her in obscurity and anonymity while others continue to gain prominence and recognition. The last time she was seen she was coming up out of the wilderness leaning upon her Beloved.


She has been so stripped of strength, so laid bare as to abilities, so crippled as to personal ambitions that she simply cannot walk alone. She must lean continually upon her heavenly Staff. She is clothed in the sun (Son) and she is crowned with judgement and wisdom, with the moon underfoot, that dead body which is but a reflection of the true.


This is a seldom-seen view of the glorious church standing yet in the vestibule of her inheritance. She is not the Manchild, but the Manchild is within her ranks and is about to come forth. She is the Tabernacle of Wisdom, because she is the temple of Him who is Wisdom.
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That's pretty awesome.
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a question

Oldest obsidian bracelet reveals amazing craftsmen's skills in the eighth millennium BC

Using high-tech methods developed by LTDS to study the bracelet's surface and its micro-topographic features, the researchers have revealed the astounding technical expertise of craftsmen in the eighth millennium BC. Their skills were highly sophisticated for this period in late prehistory, and on a par with today's polishing techniques.
 Quoting: observation

[link to digg.com]

According to contemporary scholars, the original Hebrew script developed alongside others used in the region during the late second and first millennia BCE.
 Quoting: history

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

as our culture made articles of better quality of skill than the hebrews could until the past hundred years or so 7000 years before hebrew was invented

what was going on for those 7000 as in:

where were the hebrews and why did they become dumb and forget how they made things?
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They lived with the Egyptians for 400 years and lost touch with the Father Abraham's Way and Jo-Sep was forgotten by the Egyptians. I believe the bracelet followed Moses thru Jo-Sep and The Egyptians.
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