Why do productive discussions always devolve into my way is better and yours if of the debil? They're models, we use them to craft new things. They are the way we visualize based on our previous knowledge and models. Why do miscommunications happen? Semanatics. I had this happen with my cousin last night, he mentioned karma in front of a fundie family member. She went insane, said it wasn't "biblical" til I pointed out the whole "you reap what you sow" concept. Let's not let language and our own filters pop our bubble.