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The US wants it to start in Europe. That way they can blame us for their own downfall!
 Quoting: Vierkantebroek


LOL I don’t think so, they can’t think we are that dumb…. I think anybody here in the states with a working brain cell knows…we are F%$ked lmao so blaming Europe for our fall wont work. I think it will just start there first
 Quoting: YaRight


There's your problem, you assume you have people with working braincells! You bet they will blame us and the sheeple in the US will believe it!
 Quoting: Vierkantebroek


i agree with you..the american sheeple will believe it was europe only if the MSM says it so.

i've even heard people at work blaming all the financial woes on europe because CNN said it so that day, even though they don't even know the USA is fucked too.

really.
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this is planned for a long fucking time
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tnx , needed that doom-inject !
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tnx , needed that doom-inject !
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rockon

And, it's GOOD DOOM, about fucking time to start doing normal and create a sensible society...
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People I really dont know.. things seem really bad here, both in numbers and in the real life. The unemployment hit new highs during the summer, today it is the first day of a 23% price increase in the food and drink products (indirect tax), we expect new direct taxes within 2 months and the wages and pensions have been cut, even to those who recieve the lowest ones.
And with all these, the deficit is growning and the forecasts show no stabilizing for the future. How is this possible i really cant tell.

scratching

As for the collateral Finland asks from Greece imagine how it is, it is used with the banks and the companies but not with whole countries. So, we might find ourselves "sold" in Finland because of our debths. Maybe in the future this country will have the greek population living and working for foreign bosses who will rule the country politically and economically, I mean in clear daylight.

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People I really dont know.. things seem really bad here, both in numbers and in the real life. The unemployment hit new highs during the summer, today it is the first day of a 23% price increase in the food and drink products (indirect tax), we expect new direct taxes within 2 months and the wages and pensions have been cut, even to those who recieve the lowest ones.
And with all these, the deficit is growning and the forecasts show no stabilizing for the future. How is this possible i really cant tell.

scratching

As for the collateral Finland asks from Greece imagine how it is, it is used with the banks and the companies but not with whole countries. So, we might find ourselves "sold" in Finland because of our debths. Maybe in the future this country will have the greek population living and working for foreign bosses who will rule the country politically and economically, I mean in clear daylight.
 Quoting: Ostria1


DAMN! 23% !! I guess , they waited just right after summerseason , sparing tourists.
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People I really dont know.. things seem really bad here, both in numbers and in the real life. The unemployment hit new highs during the summer, today it is the first day of a 23% price increase in the food and drink products (indirect tax), we expect new direct taxes within 2 months and the wages and pensions have been cut, even to those who recieve the lowest ones.
And with all these, the deficit is growning and the forecasts show no stabilizing for the future. How is this possible i really cant tell.

scratching

As for the collateral Finland asks from Greece imagine how it is, it is used with the banks and the companies but not with whole countries. So, we might find ourselves "sold" in Finland because of our debths. Maybe in the future this country will have the greek population living and working for foreign bosses who will rule the country politically and economically, I mean in clear daylight.
 Quoting: Ostria1


You got hit with a 23% tax increase on food?
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People I really dont know.. things seem really bad here, both in numbers and in the real life. The unemployment hit new highs during the summer, today it is the first day of a 23% price increase in the food and drink products (indirect tax), we expect new direct taxes within 2 months and the wages and pensions have been cut, even to those who recieve the lowest ones.
And with all these, the deficit is growning and the forecasts show no stabilizing for the future. How is this possible i really cant tell.

scratching

As for the collateral Finland asks from Greece imagine how it is, it is used with the banks and the companies but not with whole countries. So, we might find ourselves "sold" in Finland because of our debths. Maybe in the future this country will have the greek population living and working for foreign bosses who will rule the country politically and economically, I mean in clear daylight.
 Quoting: Ostria1


Wow, I feel with you, 23% is way too much... 'Normal' people being punished for gov's fucked up's...
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All we are seeing now are the cracks in the crust. It has been 'started' and running for some time. We are just in the aware of it's demise stage.
I am AWhereness...
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This will solve Europe's major problem: It's full of Europeans.
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Yeah, where your county is build from...
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DAMN! 23% !! I guess , they waited just right after summerseason , sparing tourists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward


Yep! The only thing that increased in good numbers this summer was the tourism (or so we are told).
Ostria
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How can it start in Europe, when this was all started by the corrupt American bankers a few years back. We are all still rebounding/failing to rebound from that.
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. . . they are only part of the Trinity . . . The rabbit hole is two times deeper than what you thought . . .
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DAMN! 23% !! I guess , they waited just right after summerseason , sparing tourists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward


Yep! The only thing that increased in good numbers this summer was the tourism (or so we are told).
 Quoting: Ostria1


so now they tax the one thing that grew?
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People I really dont know.. things seem really bad here, both in numbers and in the real life. The unemployment hit new highs during the summer, today it is the first day of a 23% price increase in the food and drink products (indirect tax), we expect new direct taxes within 2 months and the wages and pensions have been cut, even to those who recieve the lowest ones.
And with all these, the deficit is growning and the forecasts show no stabilizing for the future. How is this possible i really cant tell.

scratching

As for the collateral Finland asks from Greece imagine how it is, it is used with the banks and the companies but not with whole countries. So, we might find ourselves "sold" in Finland because of our debths. Maybe in the future this country will have the greek population living and working for foreign bosses who will rule the country politically and economically, I mean in clear daylight.
 Quoting: Ostria1


. . . and all my stupid neighbor can do about it, is to harass me, and the little boy helping me, lie and say i put my trash bags (out by the side of the street) one inch over the property line, closer to other neighbor's cans to make it easier for the trashmen . . . It is an old house turned into a couple apartments. The schizophrenic rents on the other side of the house from me, and i was not even near her side. So you see itis the insane being allowed to breed, which is going to destroy us:

Everybody knows:
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USA is Dying From Within:
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Evelyn De Rothschild Warning Masses - Too Late:
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DAMN! 23% !! I guess , they waited just right after summerseason , sparing tourists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward


Yep! The only thing that increased in good numbers this summer was the tourism (or so we are told).
 Quoting: Ostria1


so now they tax the one thing that grew?
 Quoting: YaRight


IMO they dont know what they are doing or.. there is a plan I dont understand. Keep in mind that all these measures are planned along with the european community (we have a committee of 3 men who come and go and plan and check).
Ostria
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There's your problem, you assume you have people with working braincells!
Eactly; there is only fatcells.
Where there is fat, there can´t be brian.

It will increase the military patriotmovement I guess.
Amerrika ueber alles!
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DAMN! 23% !! I guess , they waited just right after summerseason , sparing tourists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward


Yep! The only thing that increased in good numbers this summer was the tourism (or so we are told).
 Quoting: Ostria1


so now they tax the one thing that grew?
 Quoting: YaRight


IMO they dont know what they are doing or.. there is a plan I dont understand. Keep in mind that all these measures are planned along with the european community (we have a committee of 3 men who come and go and plan and check).
 Quoting: Ostria1


I feel for you and wish you the best. Your country I have always wanted to go see
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The US wants it to start in Europe. That way they can blame us for their own downfall!
 Quoting: Vierkantebroek



How naive of you! No, TPTB in America want it to start in Euorpe...so they can justify the use full force mil power on the US populace!
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People it will start in Europe

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[link to www.europeanvoice.com]

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There was more to come. As the end of August approached, just as the markets were beginning to calm down, another problem emerged. This time it was back to the politics of the 21 July agreement.
A bilateral deal was struck that would see Finland receive collateral from Greece in return for its participation in the bail-out. Despite this being expressly permitted in the conclusions of the summit (and indeed it was a deal-breaker for the Finns), it did not go down well with other governments, some of whom said that if Finland could get such an arrangement then so should they.
Moody's, a credit-rating agency, wearily warned that “if more and more of the rescuing countries end up making collateral demands, Greece will not be able to fully meet them, thus jeopardising the rescue plan”. Now it looks as if other member states will block the move anyway.
The summit on 21 July was supposed to be the beginning of the end of the crisis. Measures hitherto considered taboo because of political sensitivities were finally agreed upon and the mood was positive. But the events of the past six weeks have demonstrated that politicians have still not got a grip on this crisis. Analysts are still talking about the need to double or treble the size of the European Financial Stability Facility and urging the introduction of eurobonds just as they were before.
A lack of decisiveness, plain-speaking, courage and co-ordination immediately before and during the summer break has left the eurozone looking as vulnerable as ever.




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[link to www.voxeu.org]

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In this crisis, Eurozone leaders’ motto seems to be “too little too late”.
They got it badly wrong the first weekend in May 2010.
Having announced that they had saved Greece, financial markets said “not good enough”. The next weekend they came up with a more substantial plan, but even this proved to be too little too late.
After months of living in denial, Eurozone leaders finally recognised that Greece was not going to be able to restart borrowing on its own. They came up with another plan. On 21 July 2011, they got it badly wrong again. Financial markets are again said “not good enough”.
On August 16 Chancellor Merkel and President Sarkozy held a widely-trumpeted “summit” to announce decisions that were either irrelevant or misguided. Stock markets around the world said “not gooOd enough”. Even more ominously, the interbank market is seizing up, as it did in 2007 on the way to the Lehman disaster.




I always thought this “shell game” the world is playing with would start here in the states but the more I learn the more I read I feel it will start in Europe. One of the things all most all analysis say is “ just one major disaster ..one major hic up” and boom down it goes.
 Quoting: YaRight


op, what is your avatar?
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Everyone everywhere in all nations needs to start building their barter trading connections.

Here in the US many people have built trade connections.
It has to be done to keep the power out of the wrong hands.

I have eggs and chickens, am growing rice in Texas of all places, the rice isn't so much for eating since I only have limited space but is for selling seeds that will grow more rice to others.
Do what you can when you can and where you can.
If everyone did a little something we would not need the systems.

I can already trade the high protein diet value from the eggs to a few others that grow vegetables.

The only people that are going to stay a slave to their oppressors are the ones relying on their oppressors.
That is how oppressors gain power.
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The system was designed to fail ....
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skidrow kitty Oh well, thats life.
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People it will start in Europe

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There was more to come. As the end of August approached, just as the markets were beginning to calm down, another problem emerged. This time it was back to the politics of the 21 July agreement.
A bilateral deal was struck that would see Finland receive collateral from Greece in return for its participation in the bail-out. Despite this being expressly permitted in the conclusions of the summit (and indeed it was a deal-breaker for the Finns), it did not go down well with other governments, some of whom said that if Finland could get such an arrangement then so should they.
Moody's, a credit-rating agency, wearily warned that “if more and more of the rescuing countries end up making collateral demands, Greece will not be able to fully meet them, thus jeopardising the rescue plan”. Now it looks as if other member states will block the move anyway.
The summit on 21 July was supposed to be the beginning of the end of the crisis. Measures hitherto considered taboo because of political sensitivities were finally agreed upon and the mood was positive. But the events of the past six weeks have demonstrated that politicians have still not got a grip on this crisis. Analysts are still talking about the need to double or treble the size of the European Financial Stability Facility and urging the introduction of eurobonds just as they were before.
A lack of decisiveness, plain-speaking, courage and co-ordination immediately before and during the summer break has left the eurozone looking as vulnerable as ever.




Source

[link to www.voxeu.org]

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In this crisis, Eurozone leaders’ motto seems to be “too little too late”.
They got it badly wrong the first weekend in May 2010.
Having announced that they had saved Greece, financial markets said “not good enough”. The next weekend they came up with a more substantial plan, but even this proved to be too little too late.
After months of living in denial, Eurozone leaders finally recognised that Greece was not going to be able to restart borrowing on its own. They came up with another plan. On 21 July 2011, they got it badly wrong again. Financial markets are again said “not good enough”.
On August 16 Chancellor Merkel and President Sarkozy held a widely-trumpeted “summit” to announce decisions that were either irrelevant or misguided. Stock markets around the world said “not gooOd enough”. Even more ominously, the interbank market is seizing up, as it did in 2007 on the way to the Lehman disaster.




I always thought this “shell game” the world is playing with would start here in the states but the more I learn the more I read I feel it will start in Europe. One of the things all most all analysis say is “ just one major disaster ..one major hic up” and boom down it goes.
 Quoting: YaRight


op, what is your avatar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1521836


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The US wants it to start in Europe. That way they can blame us for their own downfall!
 Quoting: Vierkantebroek


LOL I don’t think so, they can’t think we are that dumb…. I think anybody here in the states with a working brain cell knows…we are F%$ked lmao so blaming Europe for our fall wont work. I think it will just start there first
 Quoting: YaRight


There's your problem, you assume you have people with working braincells! You bet they will blame us and the sheeple in the US will believe it!
 Quoting: Vierkantebroek


I am afraid I have to agree with you. I deal with a lot of American tourists and most of them do not have a clue about anything that is going on outside of the US............ and they really don't know what is going on at home either. They pick up little pieces here and there in the news, just enough to have a very warped and distorted view of what is going on.

Hell a couple years ago when the US was forcing the need for passports for Americans returning to the US from Canada, every Yank I talked too complained bitterly about the damned Canadian government forcing them to get a passport and to hell with them, they would never travel to Canada again. When I pointed out it was their government forcing the issue and that Canada was against it, they just glazed over and refused to believe it.

Sorry, your average US citizen just drinks the kool-aid. I have good, long time friends in the US and even they just shake their heads at the brain washed mentality.
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People I really dont know.. things seem really bad here, both in numbers and in the real life. The unemployment hit new highs during the summer, today it is the first day of a 23% price increase in the food and drink products (indirect tax), we expect new direct taxes within 2 months and the wages and pensions have been cut, even to those who recieve the lowest ones.
And with all these, the deficit is growning and the forecasts show no stabilizing for the future. How is this possible i really cant tell.

scratching

As for the collateral Finland asks from Greece imagine how it is, it is used with the banks and the companies but not with whole countries. So, we might find ourselves "sold" in Finland because of our debths. Maybe in the future this country will have the greek population living and working for foreign bosses who will rule the country politically and economically, I mean in clear daylight.
 Quoting: Ostria1


Finland is doing right. I'm done with Greeks.
Greece buys Gold: Reserves worth 3.7 billion

Greece has increased its Gold reserves in May - a total of nearly 3.6 million ounces. Multiple times it had been proposed that Greece should sell its Gold reserves in order to get the budget back under control. The opposite has happened - they buy even more!!! Nevertheless the next EU aid package is on track.

According to the IMF, the country has 111.46 tonnes of Gold. The value is currently about 3.7 billion Euros.
Nothing on MSM about that, right?sheep

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People I really dont know.. things seem really bad here, both in numbers and in the real life. The unemployment hit new highs during the summer, today it is the first day of a 23% price increase in the food and drink products (indirect tax), we expect new direct taxes within 2 months and the wages and pensions have been cut, even to those who recieve the lowest ones.
And with all these, the deficit is growning and the forecasts show no stabilizing for the future. How is this possible i really cant tell.

scratching

As for the collateral Finland asks from Greece imagine how it is, it is used with the banks and the companies but not with whole countries. So, we might find ourselves "sold" in Finland because of our debths. Maybe in the future this country will have the greek population living and working for foreign bosses who will rule the country politically and economically, I mean in clear daylight.
 Quoting: Ostria1


The main problem my friend is not the citizens but greed bankers and politicians who have used
to do too easy decisions. If you are personally in trouble i will help you - but in this case when Creece do not
have money to pay its debts to bankers in Germany and French, bankers are very worried and they want everybody to send money to Creece so your government could pay next payments to them and they could still get their profits.
Second problem is that Finnish goverment don`t have that extra couple of billion to send Creece so they have to
loan it from the same bankers. Bankers get`s their double profits -everybody else get`s shit to the fan.
Finnish financial minister has promised that Finland is not going to give free money to anybody anymore, so
she has a lot of pressures, because she knows bankers are not giving her real collaterals so she ask them from
Creece. Collaterals show is just a sign that European system do not work
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Furthermore, with this bilateral deal with Finland, a credit event might occur wich will trigger the CDSs, which will trigger the financial apocalypse...


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"In fact the conditions for the credit event might have been in place as soon as Finland’s finance minister went around hooting about the collateral deal last week.

Presenting, then, the Obligation Default credit event.

According to the Isda 2003 credit derivatives definitions, an Obligation Default credit event is triggered when obligations…

…become capable of being declared due and payable before they would otherwise have been due and payable as a result of, or on the basis of, the occurrence of a default, event of default or other similar condition or event (however described), other than a failure to make any required payment, in respect of a Reference Entity under one or more Obligations"
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I saw an American news program where they were making as if all the problems were down to Europe. One person did point out that they might be surprised to learn that Europeans actually thought the same about USA and they were genuinely astonished.
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Finland is doing right. I'm done with Greeks.
Greece buys Gold: Reserves worth 3.7 billion

Greece has increased its Gold reserves in May - a total of nearly 3.6 million ounces. Multiple times it had been proposed that Greece should sell its Gold reserves in order to get the budget back under control. The opposite has happened - they buy even more!!! Nevertheless the next EU aid package is on track.

According to the IMF, the country has 111.46 tonnes of Gold. The value is currently about 3.7 billion Euros.
Nothing on MSM about that, right?sheep

Sources:
[link to translate.google.com]

[link to akivoegwerner.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1531092


Truly if this is the plan its not going to stay in Greece only. You know that the gold (and the territory) are the only real assets of a country. So you give us paper air and we give you gold. Fine! And in a few years the North will own the South. Great!
How much gold does Germany have?
Ostria
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The main problem my friend is not the citizens but greed bankers and politicians who have used
to do too easy decisions. If you are personally in trouble i will help you - but in this case when Creece do not
have money to pay its debts to bankers in Germany and French, bankers are very worried and they want everybody to send money to Creece so your government could pay next payments to them and they could still get their profits.
Second problem is that Finnish goverment don`t have that extra couple of billion to send Creece so they have to
loan it from the same bankers. Bankers get`s their double profits -everybody else get`s shit to the fan.
Finnish financial minister has promised that Finland is not going to give free money to anybody anymore, so
she has a lot of pressures, because she knows bankers are not giving her real collaterals so she ask them from
Creece. Collaterals show is just a sign that European system do not work
 Quoting: Gufihtar


I agree that no country in europe is happy with this situation. And everyone has to take loans to cover whatever their needs are. We tried to become one unit and we failed.
I have no problem with Finland or its people, but this can open the Aeolus bags.

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There was more to come. As the end of August approached, just as the markets were beginning to calm down, another problem emerged. This time it was back to the politics of the 21 July agreement.
A bilateral deal was struck that would see Finland receive collateral from Greece in return for its participation in the bail-out. Despite this being expressly permitted in the conclusions of the summit (and indeed it was a deal-breaker for the Finns), it did not go down well with other governments, some of whom said that if Finland could get such an arrangement then so should they.
Moody's, a credit-rating agency, wearily warned that “if more and more of the rescuing countries end up making collateral demands, Greece will not be able to fully meet them, thus jeopardising the rescue plan”. Now it looks as if other member states will block the move anyway.
The summit on 21 July was supposed to be the beginning of the end of the crisis. Measures hitherto considered taboo because of political sensitivities were finally agreed upon and the mood was positive. But the events of the past six weeks have demonstrated that politicians have still not got a grip on this crisis. Analysts are still talking about the need to double or treble the size of the European Financial Stability Facility and urging the introduction of eurobonds just as they were before.
A lack of decisiveness, plain-speaking, courage and co-ordination immediately before and during the summer break has left the eurozone looking as vulnerable as ever.




Source

[link to www.voxeu.org]

Less than 50%

In this crisis, Eurozone leaders’ motto seems to be “too little too late”.
They got it badly wrong the first weekend in May 2010.
Having announced that they had saved Greece, financial markets said “not good enough”. The next weekend they came up with a more substantial plan, but even this proved to be too little too late.
After months of living in denial, Eurozone leaders finally recognised that Greece was not going to be able to restart borrowing on its own. They came up with another plan. On 21 July 2011, they got it badly wrong again. Financial markets are again said “not good enough”.
On August 16 Chancellor Merkel and President Sarkozy held a widely-trumpeted “summit” to announce decisions that were either irrelevant or misguided. Stock markets around the world said “not good enough”. Even more ominously, the interbank market is seizing up, as it did in 2007 on the way to the Lehman disaster.




I always thought this “shell game” the world is playing with would start here in the states but the more I learn the more I read I feel it will start in Europe. One of the things all most all analysis say is “ just one major disaster ..one major hic up” and boom down it goes.
 Quoting: YaRight




oh your talking about an economic collapse?


I thought you meant WW3?


Yes, WW3 will begin in Europe.


2 places to watch very closely right now:

Hungary, and the former Yugoslavia

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