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This is the root of our problems in physics

 
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OP, your ignorance is a perfect fit for GLP.
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What I find funny is how we have "laws" about how everything works here on earth. That's the key....on earth. We only know what we have observed using the elements discovered and created here on earth and based on the living conditions of that same earth. How in the world can we make assumptions about something that is in another part of the galaxy or on another planet when the only perspective we have to base on is our observable planet earth. Hell, we are still in the dark about a lot of things even here.
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that show stargate sg-1 is a clinic in this view, good post.
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Re: This is the root of our problems in physics
The real problem is in Mathematics.

The square root of 2. Try to find it. You will need an awful lot of decimal places on your calculator.
Pi is not accurate.
Infinity is expressed but not quantified.
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Square of 2? so?

Pi has been rehashed and actually solved by Marko Rodin. Unfortunately his work is getting very small amounts of attention ):

Infinity can not be quantified.
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If infinity can't be quantified, neither can the square root of 2. It is quite a big deal that it can't be solved.

I know nothing of Marko Rodin's work. The world still looks for an accuracy - mathematic perfection - to prove anything about the nature of our Universe.
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Do you know what quantized means? It measn it is put into quantities that can be measured relative to the surrounding values. Imagine being inside of a circle with no measuring device or gravity, and you cant touch or put markers on the circle. Now try to find the distance around the circle. You cant do it, not only do you have no idea where you started from, you have no idea of the scale.

Waves, also, inherit values of the surrounding waves or mediums they pass through, not allowing them to be quantized. When we say infinity is not quantized we are simply stating that it has no beginning and no end. So all though certain values within it may have quantifiable attributes, they do not help find the sum of all (infinity)


And yes, the square root of 2 does exist, and within our number system, it is quantized.
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How do you know for a certain "the earth revolves around the sun" and not the other way around. ?

How do you know if we ever went to the moon or even sent probes to other plannets.

Why do you believe the law of attraction for gravity....because Newton came up with it ? Someone described it's equation G*M*m/r^2

How do we know that what goes on down on earth isn't effected by different laws than in outer space ?

How do we know those "stars" and galaxies that the hubble "sees" aren't some illusion created by CGI ?

Ever take a telescope and look up....I see more stars but never any more detail.

I'm just questioning everything now......liars and fakers always have some motivition for why they lie and fake
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Questioning existing science is the only way its furthered. Einstein questioned "maybe it isn't F=ma after all". Or "What if light isn't just a wave" -- gotta leave room for fringe probing -- paradigm shifts only come about when existing ones are destroyed.

With that in mind, I believe evolution is a physic-less philosophy based in a belief that unguided forces can create 6 billion bioelectric supercomputers called humans. Existing evolutionists would say it's crazy. I think the whole thing is flawed from the word go.
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A good number of physicists are aware that they shouldn't bother to postulate an underlying model of reality, as long as the math works, fairly well. For example, the Copenhagen interpretation comes to mind.
"I once put instant coffee in the microwave... I almost went back in time."

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A good number of physicists are aware that they shouldn't bother to postulate an underlying model of reality, as long as the math works, fairly well, thats all that can be said. For example, the Copenhagen interpretation comes to mind.
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"I once put instant coffee in the microwave... I almost went back in time."

"I do not see coincidence, I see Providence."

"To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders."
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I like how they say they understand the "law of gravity", when they can not explain how it works.

Dark matter, dark energy, higgs boson, etc!!

The entirety of the "particle physics" is wrong!
 Quoting: IMHO 1532086


I know you might be smart, but particle physics is a real thing. It has provable math behind it.

Dark matter, dark energy DO exist. This is already proven. Now the Higgs Boson is the top Quark they are looking for at CERN. These are the particles that make up an atom. At that level physics becomes different. That's why it's called quantum physics.

You simply can't just throw out years of proven methods of science on a hunch.
Peace out!
I love physics. It bonds us eternally, it's what makes our computers work, it's what's in my morning cup of coffee, it's the thing that keeps the universe from vanishing due to lack of belief...
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the other day OP i was checking out videos about atoms and atomic structure.. brushing up on old stuff and checking out some quantum physics as well...

Then it hit me.. I think the theories based around atoms and atomic theory are absolute crap. The guy explaining the stuff, with certainty in his voice, didn't really have a clue. There are logical postulations it would seem... but they seem somewhat farfetched to me now and that they could be easily replaced with something else.

Until gravity is explained and understood, atomic theory will be and shall remain, total junk.

They teach us in school that you CANNOT devide by zero. That is EXACTLY their explanations for black holes however. A black hole is dividing reality itself by zero and nothing, not even time, exists on the event horizon.

Whatever man!! ;)
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I like how they say they understand the "law of gravity", when they can not explain how it works.

Dark matter, dark energy, higgs boson, etc!!

The entirety of the "particle physics" is wrong!
 Quoting: IMHO 1532086


I know you might be smart, but particle physics is a real thing. It has provable math behind it.

Dark matter, dark energy DO exist. This is already proven. Now the Higgs Boson is the top Quark they are looking for at CERN. These are the particles that make up an atom. At that level physics becomes different. That's why it's called quantum physics.

You simply can't just throw out years of proven methods of science on a hunch.
Peace out!
 Quoting: GeekOfTheWeek


Dark matter only theoretically exists, and has been proven in theory.

The theory is this:
All current matter (energy) is quite literally being borrowed from the future. billionths of nano seconds in the future. It is instantly paid back the second it comes into form. So basically, everything is a billionth nano second old. Constantly re-upping from the future.

This means that when energy is taken, energy is also given. And it continues in this verse inverse way, like a figure eight.

Dark matter is more or less the inverse of matter, this does not mean it is matter, it simply means its what matter is when its not matter. This is also just a theory and has only a very small amount of research attached to it. However, physicists run their mouths like dark matter is 100% real, then they go on to explaining it like a cloud of anti-matter, which it is not. It is a force, a field, of which matter comes. It is intangible and we cant, and never will be able to detect it or understand it. We exist in the material world, while "dark matter" exists in the world of whatever the fuck it exists in.
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If the Scientist that looks down into the structures of atoms would only look up, it's all there to see.

If the Scientist that looks up into the structures of the planets and stars would only look down, it's all there to see.

As above, so below;
As below, so above.
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You can't divorce reality from the equation. That's where the math has failed. It works only objectively, never taking into account the Observer Effect. What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. We've divided "fields" and don't get a cohesive picture of the whole because we are the experiment.
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You can't divorce reality from the equation. That's where the math has failed. It works only objectively, never taking into account the Observer Effect. What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. We've divided "fields" and don't get a cohesive picture of the whole because we are the experiment.
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Exactly correct. There is so much that are mathematical theories, that have been incorporated into FACT. The institutions feed on this ideology. Professors and scientists alike cannot even get funding from institutions if something goes against these 'facts', even though they are 'scientifically' valid theories and actually transcend the embedded sciences with simplicity and REAL WORLD validation.

And, what in the hell would give ANY old school scientists an incentive to discredit their own work. NOTHING, and they would fight tooth and nail to make sure nothing would, even if it went against reality.

ARROGANCE has become my new bane.

We have so many things backwards...
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You can't divorce reality from the equation. That's where the math has failed. It works only objectively, never taking into account the Observer Effect. What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. We've divided "fields" and don't get a cohesive picture of the whole because we are the experiment.
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


Exactly correct. There is so much that are mathematical theories, that have been incorporated into FACT. The institutions feed on this ideology. Professors and scientists alike cannot even get funding from institutions if something goes against these 'facts', even though they are 'scientifically' valid theories and actually transcend the embedded sciences with simplicity and REAL WORLD validation.

And, what in the hell would give ANY old school scientists an incentive to discredit their own work. NOTHING, and they would fight tooth and nail to make sure nothing would, even if it went against reality.

ARROGANCE has become my new bane.

We have so many things backwards...
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A pet suspicion of mine concerns the twisting of language to the point that we don't really understand each other even if we share a language. In that vein, perhaps new school scientists do let it all hang out, but their terminology is occult. Let's face it, without intergration of information, we're all just petting our own elephant in the dark, lol.





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