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The truth about HIV/AIDS PIN!! this can help save lives!!!

 
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Yet no AIDS deniers will inject themselves with contaminated blood. Put your money where your mouth is!

Funny how all those hemophiliacs died when they received contaminated blood. Arthur Ashe, Isaac Asimov.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1365746


Lol, "quick, throw out the 'denier' label cause we got no facts"


- Prove that HIV causes AIDS, it would be appreciated since after 3 decades, and tens of billions of dollars the AIDS scientific community still hasn't perhaps you could.

- Once completed, you can then begin by producing a test that claims to detect the HIV virus in humans. 3 decades and tens of billions of dollars, the aids scientific community still hasn't so again, perhaps you could.

- Then as a healthy individual, go start a battery of AZT and call us when your cycles done.
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AIDS Store = butt
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I am sure all the doctors on the planet did not notice this, or they just do not say and keep killing people.
"He who do not appreciate life, even of an ant is not worth his own."
"Truth does not need proof, only lies need proof to be true"

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Interesting post but I'd still consider AIDS a disease in the same manor alcoholism is.

Rapid Tests are tests used in the US for ... Rapid testing! A blood test is later used to confirm "HIV" positive or negative.

The virus itself has a specific protein structure.

People die sooner of "AIDS" if they do not take medications and have tested "positive" for specific antibodies.

The virus has been isolated for years, hasn't it? I mean, if we know what it looks like...? If we know its gnome and such?

We can access risk factors and likelihood of contracting the virus to a degree. Though, I never really trusted statistics (besides, "It only takes one time!".

Again, Rapid Tests are done everyday in the US. Usually, they take only 15 minutes via a mouth swab or blood sample. Insurance salesmen have to give these tests.. as an HIV+ individual does not qualify for life insurance (at least here or at least the company I worked for).

This post is full of fallacies but makes for an interesting read!

I've hard so many stories about this and find it all interesting. One such story linked HIV to Rheumatoid arthritis (another autoimmune disease). Both of which appear to be "curable" by diet alone!
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Interesting post but I'd still consider AIDS a disease in the same manor alcoholism is.

Rapid Tests are tests used in the US for ... Rapid testing! A blood test is later used to confirm "HIV" positive or negative.

The virus itself has a specific protein structure.

People die sooner of "AIDS" if they do not take medications and have tested "positive" for specific antibodies.

The virus has been isolated for years, hasn't it? I mean, if we know what it looks like...? If we know its gnome and such?

We can access risk factors and likelihood of contracting the virus to a degree. Though, I never really trusted statistics (besides, "It only takes one time!".

Again, Rapid Tests are done everyday in the US. Usually, they take only 15 minutes via a mouth swab or blood sample. Insurance salesmen have to give these tests.. as an HIV+ individual does not qualify for life insurance (at least here or at least the company I worked for).

This post is full of fallacies but makes for an interesting read!

I've hard so many stories about this and find it all interesting. One such story linked HIV to Rheumatoid arthritis (another autoimmune disease). Both of which appear to be "curable" by diet alone!
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Watch the videos and get back to me. BTW how does ingesting toxic drugs help you?
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Interesting post but I'd still consider AIDS a disease in the same manor alcoholism is.

Rapid Tests are tests used in the US for ... Rapid testing! A blood test is later used to confirm "HIV" positive or negative.

The virus itself has a specific protein structure.

People die sooner of "AIDS" if they do not take medications and have tested "positive" for specific antibodies.

The virus has been isolated for years, hasn't it? I mean, if we know what it looks like...? If we know its gnome and such?

We can access risk factors and likelihood of contracting the virus to a degree. Though, I never really trusted statistics (besides, "It only takes one time!".

Again, Rapid Tests are done everyday in the US. Usually, they take only 15 minutes via a mouth swab or blood sample. Insurance salesmen have to give these tests.. as an HIV+ individual does not qualify for life insurance (at least here or at least the company I worked for).

This post is full of fallacies but makes for an interesting read!

I've hard so many stories about this and find it all interesting. One such story linked HIV to Rheumatoid arthritis (another autoimmune disease). Both of which appear to be "curable" by diet alone!
 Quoting: aSlowClock


Watch the videos and get back to me. BTW how does ingesting toxic drugs help you?
 Quoting: Illuminist


I don't think toxic drugs are good... Hence my diet remark LOL. But they help in many cases by getting your immune system all worked up and your liver gets extra active + these drugs I'll assume interact with specific receptors here and there (T-cells and the like).

I'll watch the videos though. I do try to have an open mind.. Just don't want my brain to fall out!

Edit: Had to give you positive karma for getting me to think and consider!
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HIV does not cause AIDS!

Lots of people died of 'AIDS' who were HIV negative.

With African 'AIDS' - you don't have to be HIV positive.

If you test HIV positive, your govt has to be notified. You are then expected to begin AZT, which will surely kill you.

Lots of HIV+ people who refused AZT are still alive decades later, whilst all their friends who believed the mainstream and took AZT are dead.

HIV+ does NOT equal AIDS
 Quoting: nexuseditor


Very Interesting! I have a 'friend' who has been a junkie since 11, contracted HIV at 18 and utterly refused treatment

He is now 26, 2 years clean and has one of the healthiest babies I'v seen (4 months old). At the hospital one of the nurses talked him in to getting some "general tests" done as he had not been to a doctor since he was diagnosed with HIV.

Well when the tests came back, Negative! The doctor told him he was very lucky, he has heard of it before, and that its just very rare and lucky


This was news that, whilst great to hear, confused us both heavily! Next time I see him I will be asking if he knows of anyone else he use to know who either refused mainstream treatment and is living, or accepted and is now not.



Seems our government was not to fond of adopting it early on either

[link to epress-dev.anu.edu.au]

(search AZT) very small group, long trials. Seems like it also could have played a role in quickening up the pace of our approval boards to.

Last Edited by DMTHC on 09/19/2011 07:55 PM
Let me let you in on a little secrete of mine, as far as god goes I don't believe in your kind- I think we all god just gotter look deeper inside, that's probably what your bible means by you seek and you find.
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Excellent thread OP. I was aware of this 20 years ago and it simply amazes me that not much has changed in general populace since, same sheep. The other thread on gamers find AIDS cure is laughable.
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Another video I forgot to post:
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Excellent thread OP. I was aware of this 20 years ago and it simply amazes me that not much has changed in general populace since, same sheep. The other thread on gamers find AIDS cure is laughable.
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I found it offensive that it was pinned. I made this tread a week ago and it was ignored so I bumped it. Glad people are viewing it.

Haters: Keep giving me bad karma you shills! This site loves fantasy and hates truth.

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Nasty dick + butt hole equals aids.

Dirty needle + your arm equals aids.

Don't do it!
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The brainwashing worked well. Just believe what you're told and ask no questions.
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What a bunch of crap! You are selling suicide on this thread OP!!! Hiv/Aids is deadly!!!! Go ahead and get hiv asshole... then give us an update of how the parasites are eating you up from the inside out! What an asshole... you are promoting suicide!!! And why was this pinned???????????????????????
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What a bunch of crap! You are selling suicide on this thread OP!!! Hiv/Aids is deadly!!!! Go ahead and get hiv asshole... then give us an update of how the parasites are eating you up from the inside out! What an asshole... you are promoting suicide!!! And why was this pinned???????????????????????
 Quoting: TexasNurse 1557272


Selling suicide would be giving people toxic drugs you SHILL!

Watch the videos and debate the facts presented in them, or STFU!

Better question is why was the gamer AIDS thread pinned. This one has REAL information. But this site would rather prefer fantasy BS like UFO space aliens created AIDS and gave it to the Jesuit assassins to distribute to the world...
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I watched the first video, with the doctor and thought.. Hes f***** nuts. Then I ended watching the youtube one (high res LOL) and half way threw... I didn't realize the various definitions and always thought western blot was accurate and definitive (within reason)!

I'm going to finish watching these, but wanted to say thanks to the OP for getting me to actual watch these.

I've always tested negative but now I have to question am I? Does it matter? What about all suppressed immune systems and disorders? WTF?!?!

Now, I even have a hypothesis going about why an immune system might be compromised often in homosexual men (who has historical been the most problematic of cases) and it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with virus loads but a load of a different sort. I'm sure I'll mention it next time I post, but for now I want to get back to the documentaries and eventually make some phone calls to a friend who knows a hell of a lot more than I do about the human body.
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The Nigerian musician fela kuti didn't believe in HIV either....then he died from aids.
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This thread is absolute bullshit, and dangerous bullshit at that.

Viral RNA from an HIV positive patient can be extracted from their blood and amplified via PCR to estimate the concentration on HIV (the viral load) in the bloodstream. There is a high (though imperfect) correlation between viral load and the rate at which CD4 immune cell populations decline, and when CD4 cell populations fall below a certain level, that is when opportunistic infections (AIDS defining illnesses) are more likely to cause illness and eventually death for the patient.

The early attempts at drug treatment drugs were unsuccessful because single drugs were applied at high(and toxic) levels, thought to give the best chance of success in extremely ill patients, and it was not appreciated how quickly resistance could develop in the rapidly mutating HIV virus, with resistant populations quickly rendering the drugs useless. This is why so many people involved in these early trials became more ill from the drugs and eventually died from opportunist infections or other complications caused directly by the HIV virus, cardiomyopathy being one well known example.

During the mid 90s, as more was learnt about the lifecycle of the virus, several classes of drugs were created that attacked various points in this lifecycle and it was correctly reasoned and later became clear from trials that applying different classes of drugs in combination could effectively eliminate the risk of resistance, as a population of HIV that developed mutations conferring resistance to one of the drugs would be unlikely to simultaneously develop a resistance to any of the others and would be wiped out by them, keeping individual resistant strains fully under control.

Further research on the level of these drugs required to prevent resistance over the time between taking the pills has allowed the quantity of these drugs to be fine tuned to the point where side-effects for most patients are extremely well tolerated (if existent at all), and the regimes can be simplified to the point of taking a single pill (containing three or more drugs) once a day.

This has proven to be a very effective form of treatment and is why many people diagnosed HIV positive early enough who regularly take these drug combinations are at very low risk of progressing to full-blown AIDS, possibly indefinitely.

While there are resistant strains of HIV circulating in the population, patients embarking on a regime of drugs are routinely tested for these strains before starting treatment and assuming there is sufficient sensitivity to a few classes of drugs can have their treatment tailored to their needs. Furthermore the range of drugs available continues to be expanded, providing additional options over time for individuals infected by strains of HIV resistant to one or more of the existing drug classes.


So to summarize, HIV infection in most people will eventually lead to immune system damage and death through opportunistic infections or other direct complications. Tolerable treatment regimes can be found for many/most individuals that halt and reverse the CD4 cell destruction, halting the progression to AIDS while they continue to be taken on a regular basis.

The above is why the OPs post is "dangerous bullshit". Anyone who is diagnosed HIV positive who accepts the disproved claims of the OP is likely to die an extremely unpleasant death by rejecting the drugs that will likely save their life. They are also more likely to pass on this devastating illness to others through unprotected sex (accidental or otherwise) because of the high levels of virus that are likely to be circulating in their blood without effective treatment.

If you made it all the way through this long post, I hope it was useful to you and that you have a clearer understanding of the issues involved.
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Amazing that not everyone knows about this OP. I read "Aids what the government isn't telling you" by Lorraine Day in the early 90's and this was mentioned in her book.

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tests for many diseases just look for the enzymes or

antibodies associated with the patient being positive,


promoting the idea that someone injected HIV+ blood safely

is a bit sick......
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What a bunch of crap! You are selling suicide on this thread OP!!! Hiv/Aids is deadly!!!! Go ahead and get hiv asshole... then give us an update of how the parasites are eating you up from the inside out! What an asshole... you are promoting suicide!!! And why was this pinned???????????????????????
 Quoting: TexasNurse 1557272



Why the bad language? You angry??? Yea I know it sucks to realize that there are actually people out there who are immune to brainwashing unlike yourself.
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Nasty dick + butt hole equals aids.

Dirty needle + your arm equals aids.

Don't do it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243849


Haha okay, some truth there. But a guy can get AIDS from simple cunnilingus activities if there is a wound in his mouth. My advice is to stay with who you are with, and don't cheat. Hopefully they don't cheat on you either...
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Amazing that not everyone knows about this OP. I read "Aids what the government isn't telling you" by Lorraine Day in the early 90's and this was mentioned in her book.

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 Quoting: Shustah



Why do so many people cling to knowledge obtained during the first 10 early years of research into this previously unknown disease and ignore the subsequent 20 years of research that have refined our knowledge of, and ability to treat it ?

Really, I'd like to know.

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If you believe the OP then you're an idiot.
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salamanderuk..I gave u karma for caring enough to post a great response to this thread!
As proud children of science and reason, we have made ourselves the orphans of wisdom.....
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Nasty dick + butt hole equals aids.

Dirty needle + your arm equals aids.

Don't do it!
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gee your so informed lol

over 90% of the worlds HIV+ people are heterosexual, non intravenous drug users.
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OK, if you say so, if it is true it is because AIDS wiped out a huge portion of the gay population when it was called GRID. Now the bisexuals are speading it.
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THIS
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Not only that but the AIDS death rate statistics never materialized. I'm not homosexual or black however we are all at risk here. HIV/AIDS was used to spread STD FEAR for condom use. This further decreased the population.
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OP I gave u karma for your great post. .....
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Nasty dick + butt hole equals aids.

Dirty needle + your arm equals aids.

Don't do it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243849


Haha okay, some truth there. But a guy can get AIDS from simple cunnilingus activities if there is a wound in his mouth. My advice is to stay with who you are with, and don't cheat. Hopefully they don't cheat on you either...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 445319


Now that you mention cheating, did you know some people can feel so guilty from the cheating act that it torments them on the inside to such an emotional degree that their immune system can suffer, coupled with drug use (illegal and prescribed) and all the other poisoning from the food/water/cosmetics they can break down to an AIDS status which is a syndrome not a virus. Same goes for homosexuals especially those that are lifestyle homos hiding it.
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What a bunch of crap! You are selling suicide on this thread OP!!! Hiv/Aids is deadly!!!! Go ahead and get hiv asshole... then give us an update of how the parasites are eating you up from the inside out! What an asshole... you are promoting suicide!!! And why was this pinned???????????????????????
 Quoting: TexasNurse 1557272


Selling suicide would be giving people toxic drugs you SHILL!

Watch the videos and debate the facts presented in them, or STFU!

Better question is why was the gamer AIDS thread pinned. This one has REAL information. But this site would rather prefer fantasy BS like UFO space aliens created AIDS and gave it to the Jesuit assassins to distribute to the world...
 Quoting: Illuminist


I agree with Texas Nurse.

People with AIDS can have a normal life expectaccy since the "deadly drugs" were discoved. AIDS was a death sentence in the 80's, now it is not. The testing can sometimes be inaccurate, as in all testing there are false positives and false negatives.