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What was the Word and it's Purpose BEFORE it became Flesh known as Jesus? Did God temporarily lose His voice?

 
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What was the Word and it's Purpose BEFORE it became Flesh known as Jesus? Did God temporarily lose His voice?
First allow me to establish that God and the Word, while being one, are also 2 distinct entities I will point out below.

Matthew 19:17

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mark 13:32

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

So above we can very plainly see that Jesus expresses the absolute goodness of not Himself, but of His Father God. Not only that, but we also discover that Jesus lacks a certain knowledge within Himself that ONLY His Father in Heaven knows, this is clearly representing 2 seperate retained knowledges of The Father and of the Son (even if only for the duration of His Son's earthly presence)


With those things said, I would like hear from a Spirit-driven and filled Christian regarding the nature and purpose of the Word BEFORE it became Flesh, the man we know as Jesus Christ our Savior.

John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



Over and over we find in Genesis that God speaks the various elements of His creation into existence by His voice

Genesis 1:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Could it actually be, that this voice that God utters, IS the Word that would latter become Flesh. Is this voice that spoke creation through Words, the pre-flesh manifestation of Jesus?

And if this creation generating voice or Word, that was with God, would later become Flesh as Jesus....

Correct me by Scripture if I'm wrong but..

Does that mean that God gave up his actual voice for a temporary moment in time?
in order to give birth to a flesh Mediator that would "speak" to us in person

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


It makes perfect sense doesnt it? that the Perfect creation "life" generating voice, the Word, would become the flesh vessel to defeat "death", the wages of sin!!


God has done something truely incredible hasnt He? Please, I would love to hear Spirit driven interpretations of this, its all so ... overwhelming...
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Quite simply...TRUTH! You either get it or you do not.
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yea God pretty much let His Word answer that one, He is good lol
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First allow me to establish that God and the Word, while being one, are also 2 distinct entities
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Only for time being needed the Words´ to come true, be fulfilled in the world:


... my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it. Isaiah 55:11

28I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father. John 16

... Jesus said, Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' John 20:17
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The Word was Jesus, the Word is Jesus, and the Word is God.
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The Word was Jesus, the Word is Jesus, and the Word is God.
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... when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. 1Cor15:20


… The LORD (YHWH) says to my lord (Jesus) sit at my right hand,

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I make your adversaries your footstool. Psalm 110:1 ... Lord God is Jesus´ Father.
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The Word was Jesus, the Word is Jesus, and the Word is God.
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... when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. 1Cor15:20


… The LORD (YHWH) says to my lord (Jesus) sit at my right hand,

UNTIL

I make your adversaries your footstool. Psalm 110:1 ... Lord God is Jesus´ Father.
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They abide in each other. hf
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Check out this thread OP

Thread: Jesus Christ, The Son of God, the Creator, the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty.
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The Word was Jesus, the Word is Jesus, and the Word is God.
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... when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. 1Cor15:20


… The LORD (YHWH) says to my lord (Jesus) sit at my right hand,

UNTIL

I make your adversaries your footstool. Psalm 110:1 ... Lord God is Jesus´ Father.
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They abide in each other. hf
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No.
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Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
YOU THINK THATS PROOF JESUS IS NOT GOD IN THE FLESH?

IS THE HLY SPIRIT GOOD?
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The Word was Jesus, the Word is Jesus, and the Word is God.
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... when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. 1Cor15:20


… The LORD (YHWH) says to my lord (Jesus) sit at my right hand,

UNTIL

I make your adversaries your footstool. Psalm 110:1 ... Lord God is Jesus´ Father.
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They abide in each other. hf
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No.
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1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Joh 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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THE WORD OF GOD MADE FLESH IS NAMED JESUS
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... when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. 1Cor15:20


… The LORD (YHWH) says to my lord (Jesus) sit at my right hand,

UNTIL

I make your adversaries your footstool. Psalm 110:1 ... Lord God is Jesus´ Father.
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They abide in each other. hf
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No.
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1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Joh 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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A=B , B=C , therefore A=C, for the high brains out there.

A = God
B = Holy Spirit
C = Christ Jesus
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.


Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,


He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.


He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched--this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
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THE LORD IS ONE!
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Quoting fantasy to prove, or disprove, anything is insane.
It is time for the utter and complete destruction of TeaBaggery and Conservatism.
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Quoting fantasy to prove, or disprove, anything is insane.
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Someone already said that....oops! I guess your are.....
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Quoting fantasy to prove, or disprove, anything is insane.
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Someone already said that....oops! I guess your are.....
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Quoting fantasy!
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The word was all the prophets that the Father spoke thru. Jesus wasnt the only one yet people take John's words to mean hes the only word in the flesh
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Proverbs 8:23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.


John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"


Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Isaiah 45:21 Declare what is to be, present it--let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me.


Isaiah 45:23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.


Habakkuk 2:14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.


[link to kingjbible.com]

And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.





Malachi 1:14 "Cursed is the cheat who has an acceptable male in his flock and vows to give it, but then sacrifices a blemished animal to the Lord. For I am a great king," says the LORD Almighty, "and my name is to be feared among the nations.


[link to kingjbible.com]
And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.


[link to kingjbible.com]
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Quoting fantasy to prove, or disprove, anything is insane.
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agreed

why do all these bible reading tards come on GLP to discuss the insanity of their myth?

what kind of nonsense statement is: "purpose of the word before it became flesh"

looney toons

its myth OP, it never has to make sense, it was never true

religion is a collection of unproven memes, trying to apply reason and logic to myth is crazy
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JESUS IS THE WORD

In the past God spoke to our ancestors at many different times and in many different ways through the prophets.

2In these last days he has spoken to us through his Son.


God made his Son responsible for everything.
His Son is the one through whom God made the universe.


3His Son is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of God's being.
He holds everything together through his powerful words.
After he had cleansed people from their sins, he received the highest position, the one next to the Father in heaven.

4The Son has become greater than the angels since he has been given a name that is superior to theirs.
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8But God said about his Son, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice.

9You have loved what is right and hated what is wrong. That is why God, your God, anointed you, rather than your companions, with the oil of joy."

10God also said, "Lord, in the beginning you laid the foundation of the earth. With your own hands you made the heavens.

11They will come to an end, but you will live forever. They will all wear out like clothes.

12They will be taken off like a coat. You will change them like clothes. But you remain the same, and your life will never end.

13But God never said to any of the angels, "Sit in the highest position in heaven until I make your enemies your footstool."
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Quoting fantasy to prove, or disprove, anything is insane.
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You judge it fantasy, those are the words of my Father passed down to all for all, for FREE to make one FREE if one so desires. The Promises of God my Father, your Father if you so desire are real.......as are the promises of my Brother, Jesus Christ.........your Brother also if you so desire. “My yoke is easy and my burden is light” Jesus says, and yes it is, I am witness to that statement as I live that statement everyday because of God's grace and the promise of Jesus Christ.

God's instructions for living here and how to preserve one's life after here are contained in the Son of Man's philosophy or the Gospel of Jesus Christ......FREE here [link to www.e-sword.net] use the FREE included commentaries. The Good News Bible is an easy start, it is in easy everyday English. In that Book are 4 Books titled; Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...only 120 pages that will save your life and if you so desire a relationship with God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit will begin.
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The LORD Gives Dominion to the King.

A Psalm of David.

1The LORD says to my Lord:
“Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”

2The LORD will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying,
“Rule in the midst of Your enemies.”

3Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power;
In holy array, from the womb of the dawn,
Your youth are to You as the dew.

4The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind,
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”

5The Lord is at Your right hand;
He will shatter kings in the day of His wrath.

6He will judge among the nations,
He will fill them with corpses,
He will shatter the chief men over a broad country.

7He will drink from the brook by the wayside;
Therefore He will lift up His head.
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HEBREWS
13But God never said to any of the angels, "Sit in the highest position in heaven until I make your enemies your footstool."


<< Psalm 110 >>
New American Standard Bible
The LORD Gives Dominion to the King.

A Psalm of David.

1The LORD says to my Lord:
“Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”

2The LORD will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying,
“Rule in the midst of Your enemies.”
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JESUS CHRIST IS LORD

PRAISE GOD!
AMEN!
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... when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. 1Cor15:20


… The LORD (YHWH) says to my lord (Jesus) sit at my right hand,

UNTIL

I make your adversaries your footstool. Psalm 110:1 ... Lord God is Jesus´ Father.
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They abide in each other. hf
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No.
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1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Joh 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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hillaryputin

Read you own posting again:

"... ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."


"in his love" does´t mean "in Him". Oneness with someone does not mean being instead of Him.

Context is all - the wording can mislead. Here is the OT context of the relationship between Jesus and God Lord who is Jesus´ Father:


10“You are my witnesses (Israel),” declares the Lord,“and my servant (Jesus) whom I have chosen (the Messiah),
so that you may know and believe me and understand that

I AM HE (Jesus Christ).

Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me. 11I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior (Lord God of the Old Testament).
12I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.13Yes, and from ancient days I am he (Jesus Christ).
No one can deliver out of my hand. Isaiah 43
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KING DAVID IS DEAD IN CHRIST

JESUS THE SON OF DAVID
IS ALIVE FOREVER MORE AND SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE LORD GOD
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“I bless the Lord who has given me understanding, because even in the night, my heart warns me. I keep the Lord always within my sight; for he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. For this reason my heart is glad and my soul rejoices; moreover, my body also will rest secure, for thou wilt not leave my soul in the abode of the dead, nor permit thy holy one to see corruption. Thou wilt show me the path of life, the fullness of joys in thy presence, and delights at thy right hand forever”

Psalm 16
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In most Hebrew manuscripts such as the Masoretic, Psalm 22:16 (verse 17 in the Hebrew verse numbering) reads &#1499;&#1488;&#1512;&#1497; &#1497;&#1491;&#1497; &#1493;&#1512;&#1490;&#1500;&#1497; ("like a lion my hands and my feet").[54][unreliable source?]

Many Christians translate this as "they have pierced my hands and my feet", based on the Septuagint and Syriac manuscripts. However, the phrase, if translated as "like a lion my hands and my feet" bears no coherent meaning. There remains some controversy about this translation. It asserted that the Dead Sea Scrolls lend considerable weight to the translation as "They have pierced my hands and my feet", [55] although this view is not uncontested.[56]
Psalm 69

"They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink"

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