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Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about
Accepting Jesus as your savior ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengance of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That?

In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH"

The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11--
Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." -

Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website
[link to www.adherents.com] , it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion.

During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE.
Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept Christianity.


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John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know.


Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church.

Even the smallest estimation of death equals more
people murdered than any genocide
that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues.

No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts".


~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world.

The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


" You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator..........

Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will??????

The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings.

“Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains)
“Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides)
The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!!

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Maybe they, through their prophetic emphasis, will bring about many to Christ. I thought somewhere in Rev. it states they seal the 144,000
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According to scripture, the two witnesses are given power to torment them that dwell on the earth. They are given powers to;

To turn the waters into blood
To shut up the heavens so that is does not rain
To smite the earth with plagues

... These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. - (Rev 11:6)

And when these two witnesses are killed, the peoples and kindreds and tongues and nations will rejoice and not even give them a burial.

... And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. - (Rev 11:9-10)


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It is exactly what Moses did to the Egyptians when they would not release his people from SLAVERY.
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It is exactly what Moses did to the Egyptians when they would not release his people from SLAVERY.
 Quoting: Le Palma


Indeed. But in this occasion, 'Pharaoh' is given power to kill them (the two witnesses).

... And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. - (Rev 11:7)

So that God may show yet another sign.

... And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. - (Rev 11:11-12)

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The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings.


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Maybe they, through their prophetic emphasis, will bring about many to Christ. I thought somewhere in Rev. it states they seal the 144,000
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The 144,000 ARE the two witnesses...
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Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about
Accepting Jesus as your saviour ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengence of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That?

In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH"

The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11--
Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." -

Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website
[link to www.adherents.com] it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion.

During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE.
Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept christianity.

[link to necrometrics.com]

John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know.

Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church. Even the smallest estimation of death equals more
people murdered than any genocide that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues.

No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts".

As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world. The big problem is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.
" You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator..........
Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will?????? The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings.

“Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains)
“Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides)
The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Le Palma


Wow Le Palma there is more to you than meets the eye. Well said :) :) :)

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Against the boxing of revelation?
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Against the boxing of revelation?
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In terms of structure, the book is built around four successive groups of seven: the messages to the seven churches, the seven seal judgments, the seven trumpet judgments, and finally, the seven bowl judgments. There are also introductory and concluding passages, and additional passages which are inserted between the main structural elements in various places throughout the book

7 = the center of the spiral is humanity's connection to its source, god, Christ consciousness

4 = time which is illusion. first solid number. Spatial in scheme or order in manifestation.

11 = double digit that repeats itself - therefore is considered as a Master or Power

wow it`s a spell

i never knew that rockon
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The sun and the moon are the two witnesses that spread the obvious word of LOVE day and night. But all the money loving folks on earth are very unhappy about the spreading of this word, and so they are of course relieved seeing it brought to its end.
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Maybe they, through their prophetic emphasis, will bring about many to Christ. I thought somewhere in Rev. it states they seal the 144,000
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The 144,000 ARE the two witnesses...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1549571

These are (Adam and Eve) the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth (the Holy Spirit abides). Revelation 11: 4

"I will give power unto my two witnesses (Adam and Eve)and they shall prophesy . . .reveal the strong will of the Holy Spirit of God (male and female halves of God) while they are in the wilderness.

Pregnant Virgo clothed in sackcloth (clothed in chastity, repentance and penitence). Womb-Holy Grail. Carrying Adam the King in her womb.

Adam and Eve will hear a great voice from Heaven. "Come up hither." And they will ascend to Heaven where they will consummate their marriage and be crowned King and Queen/Father and Mother of the coming new Earth.

(The 144,000 chosen will be filled with the Holy Spirit, will choose to become martyrs for God, and will be ressurected as Holy Angels in Paradise.)
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Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about
Accepting Jesus as your saviour ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengence of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That?

In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH"

The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11--
Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." -

Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website
[link to www.adherents.com] it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion.

During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE.
Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept christianity.

[link to necrometrics.com]

John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know.

Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church. Even the smallest estimation of death equals more
people murdered than any genocide that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues.

No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts".

As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world. The big problem is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.
" You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator..........
Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will?????? The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings.

“Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains)
“Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides)
The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Le Palma


Please know the difference between Christians and Catholicism
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It is an archetype.
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It is an archetype.
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oh, i get that , the spell came alive within the emotions of many thus emotively sustained and maintained

yes

i agree
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Please know the difference between Christians and Catholicism
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My friend, they are branches of the same TREE----
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Article written here by Reuters posed on CNBC.com~~~~~~

Vatican Calls for 'Central World Bank' to Be Set Up


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An 18 page document was purposed by the Vatican called,

"Towards Reforming the International Financial and

Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public
Authority,
"

calls for Taxation on Financial transactions, establishment

of "a supra-national authority" and "universal

jurisdiction"
to "guide" the Worlds Markets


"Such an authority should start with the United Nations"

"Of course, this transformation will be made at the cost of a gradual, balanced transfer of a part of each nation's powers to a world authority and to regional authorities....."(Reuters)


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Please know the difference between Christians and Catholicism
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My friend, they are branches of the same TREE----
 Quoting: Le Palma


In this statement I do agree that Le Palma is absolutely 100% correct. They are of the same TREE...question is which TREE?

Martin
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Article written here by Reuters posed on CNBC.com~~~~~~

Vatican Calls for 'Central World Bank' to Be Set Up


[link to www.cnbc.com]


An 18 page document was purposed by the Vatican called,

"Towards Reforming the International Financial and

Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public
Authority,
"

calls for Taxation on Financial transactions, establishment

of "a supra-national authority" and "universal

jurisdiction"
to "guide" the Worlds Markets


"Such an authority should start with the United Nations"

"Of course, this transformation will be made at the cost of a gradual, balanced transfer of a part of each nation's powers to a world authority and to regional authorities....."(Reuters)


pope2
 Quoting: Le Palma


The Great White Brotherhood

The idea of a secret organization of enlightened mystics, guiding the spiritual development of the human race, was pioneered in the late eighteenth century by Karl von Eckartshausen in his book The Cloud upon the Sanctuary; Eckartshausen called this body of mystics, who remained active after their physical deaths on earth, the Council of Light. Eckartshausen's proposed communion of living and dead mystics, in turn, drew partially on Christian ideas such as the Communion of the Saints, and partially on previously circulating European ideas about secret societies of enlightened, mystical, or magic adepts typified by the Rosicrucians and the Illuminati.

The Mahatma Letters began publication in 1881 with information purportedly revealed by "Koot Hoomi" to Alfred Percy Sinnett, and were also influential on the early development of the tradition. Koot Hoomi, through Sinnett, revealed that high ranking members of mystic organizations in India and Tibet were able to maintain regular telepathic contact with one another, and thus were able to communicate to each other, and also to Sinnett, without the need for either written or oral communications, and in a manner similar to the way that spirit mediums claimed to communicate with the spirits of the dead. The letters published by Sinnett, which proposed the controversial doctrine of reincarnation, were said to have been revealed through this means.

Eckartshausen's idea was expanded in the teachings of Helena P. Blavatsky as developed by Charles W. Leadbeater, Alice Bailey and Helena Roerich. Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical Society, attributed her teachings to just such a body of adepts
 Quoting: history

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“The UN Meditation Room is built in the shape of a truncated pyramid. In the center is an altar, made out of magnetite, the largest natural piece of magnetite ever mined

The truly disturbing thing about the UN Meditation Room is that its custodian is a mysterious but influential international organization called the Lucis Trust.

According to Wikipedia, the Lucis Trust is a nonprofit service organization with headquarters in New York City, London, and Geneva. The Lucis Trust was incorporated in the United States in 1922 by theosophist Alice Bailey and her husband Foster, “to act as a fiduciary trust for the publishing of Mrs. Bailey’s 24 books of esoteric philosophy, and to fund and administer activities concerned with the establishment of right human relations.
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There now seems to be a justifiable reason for our ancient ancestors having such a reverence toward the Golden Mean. Besides The Great Pyramids, their architecture showed it through such examples as the west facade of the Greek Parthenon, which perfectly fits within a golden rectangle (whose dimensions are 1 and F). The west facade of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris is also loaded with Golden Mean ratios, and more recently, the United Nations Building in New York City is designed as three golden rectangles (equivalent to three Parthenons stacked upon one another) . Perhaps we shouldn’t attribute all our knowledge of the Golden Mean to the ancients, as such examples of Sacred Geometry keep cropping up in more modern structures. At least those designed by more “enlightened” architects.
 Quoting: science

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The Parthenon is a temple on the Athenian Acropolis, Greece, dedicated to the Greek goddess Athena, whom the people of Athens considered their patron. Its construction began in 447 BC and was completed in 438 BC, although decorations of the Parthenon continued until 432 BC.
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In Greek mythology Athena, is the goddess of wisdom, courage, inspiration, civilization, warfare, strength, strategy, female arts, crafts, justice and skill
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Please know the difference between Christians and Catholicism
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My friend, they are branches of the same TREE----
 Quoting: Le Palma


In this statement I do agree that Le Palma is absolutely 100% correct. They are of the same TREE...question is which TREE?

Martin
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Who knows the answer to the above posed question. Are they the OAK TREE?

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Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about
Accepting Jesus as your saviour ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengence of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That?

In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH"

The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11--
Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." -

Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website
[link to www.adherents.com] it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion.

During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE.
Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept christianity.

[link to necrometrics.com]

John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know.

Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church. Even the smallest estimation of death equals more
people murdered than any genocide that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues.

No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts".

As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world. The big problem is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.
" You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator..........
Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will?????? The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings.

“Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains)
“Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides)
The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Le Palma


In short, the two witnesses (the Olive tree and the Lampstand) are the gentile Church and the Jewish-Christian Church. They witness, they prophesy, they spread the glory of the gospel during the Tribulation.
This is why there is a debate about the rapture, it is unclear whether there will be one based on Revelation 11.
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Aether, I like your way of thinking ! And he is alive today to witness all the Sins of the world and he lived no sheltered life..

Thats perfect of an explanation you gave, thank you.

He will indeed be aware ! Aware of what sin is so he can fix it.

Good job.
 Quoting: apollo


good, you are familiar with this:

our brotherhoods records over our past 150 years have been expanded utilizing our ability to physically travel our globe with safety , awareness to investigate

they discovered, true to what their records indicated, that every ancient culture covering our globe originally anticipates a messiah , a man with awareness to return humankinds natural state of grace, collectively and globally remembered as our golden age

with this in mind, what blossomed in the imagination of our brotherhood at the beginning of our 20th christian century was because all cultures anticipate a messiah, the answer must be to form all cultures, because all desire the same goal, into one culture

this is the root of our brotherhoods globalization motive

they believe the messiah will never manifest until we are one to receive him

that is the way

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They will testify that God is one and God is not man. And anyone that worships a man is worshiping a false god.
Jesus was a man
Mohammad was a man
Buddah was a man
ect ect.
if you worship any of the above you worship a false god.

This is thier message. And the world will hate them for the truth they spread.
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Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about
Accepting Jesus as your saviour ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengence of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That?

In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH"

The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11--
Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." -

Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website
[link to www.adherents.com] it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion.

During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE.
Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept christianity.

[link to necrometrics.com]

John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know.

Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church. Even the smallest estimation of death equals more
people murdered than any genocide that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues.

No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts".

As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world. The big problem is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.
" You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator..........
Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will?????? The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings.

“Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains)
“Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides)
The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Le Palma


In short, the two witnesses (the Olive tree and the Lampstand) are the gentile Church and the Jewish-Christian Church. They witness, they prophesy, they spread the glory of the gospel during the Tribulation.
This is why there is a debate about the rapture, it is unclear whether there will be one based on Revelation 11.
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The Rapture is a new doctrine, not one that was taught by any of the prophets nor the Apostles nor the CHRIST.

The word Rapture has a root meaning that I can prove because I have the physical evidence to prove out what I tell you.

It is directly connected to the word ENCHANTMENTS & means this; The use or practice of magic,sorcery,charms,etc; the state of being enchanted;to have a spell cast upon one's self;to subdue by spells and sorcery; to RAPTURE.

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Re: TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?
in no way shape or form does 'two witnesses' mean two individual people....
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Re: TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?
:phoenixian coin:

Ancient legend speaks of Aes-cula-pius-------
the great serpent-------for the Babylonians, the serpent was
a symbol of life restored-------Legend tells that the
serpent wrapped itself around 'The STUMP'-----of a Tree that
was "CUT DOWN"
----from which a "club" or "wand" was made-----
and A NEW TREE grew up beside it------

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Re: TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?
The Good Confession., 1 Timothy Chapter 6 v.,12
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Re: TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?
in no way shape or form does 'two witnesses' mean two individual people....
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Good Point!

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