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TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?

 
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ACTUALLY THE 2 WITNESS WILL BE PREACHING THE SAME THING THING THAT CHRIST TAUGHT, THE COMING KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH,

WHICH WILL NOT BE A GOOD THING FOR MOST ECONOMY'S OR RELIGION

THIS KINGDOM WILL NOT BE CAPITOLISM, OR COMMUNISM , BUT THE LAWS OF "GOD" GIVEN TO MOSES " THE 10 COMMANDMENTS"
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What about the eleventh commandment given by Jesus ??
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I always thought the two witnesses were the law and the testimony. Which are the OC and the NC. In short, the entire Bible. It is the witnesses, judge, and jury by which all will come before God to be measured.

Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 17And I will wait for the LORD who is hiding His face from the house of Jacob; I will even look eagerly for Him. 18Behold, I and the children whom the LORD has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.

19When they say to you, “Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter,” should not a people consult their God? Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. 21They will pass through the land hard-pressed and famished, and it will turn out that when they are hungry, they will be enraged and curse their king and their God as they face upward. 22Then they will look to the earth, and behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be driven away into darkness.
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ACTUALLY THE 2 WITNESS WILL BE PREACHING THE SAME THING THING THAT CHRIST TAUGHT, THE COMING KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH,

WHICH WILL NOT BE A GOOD THING FOR MOST ECONOMY'S OR RELIGION

THIS KINGDOM WILL NOT BE CAPITOLISM, OR COMMUNISM , BUT THE LAWS OF "GOD" GIVEN TO MOSES " THE 10 COMMANDMENTS"
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Armstrongism - the gift that just keeps on giving.
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FBI memo, photo link Bush Sr to JFK Dallas murder scene
Dallas—March 23, 2006—TomFlocco.com


"A November 29, 1963 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit memo unearthed in 1977-78 proves that former President George H. W. Bush was a member of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the recipient of a full briefing on the day after the assassination of
President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963 when Bush was 39 years old, despite his protestations to the contrary"

READ On Here
[link to tomflocco.com]
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The Bush Adminstration's Department of Justice Sheltered BP Executives From Criminal Probe


EPA criminal investigator Scott West---Chief
AGENT in Charge at the EPA Criminal Investigation
Division------------spent thousands of hours investigating
allegations against BP British Petroleum----- when
His Investigation was shut down by the DOJ--=---


[link to www.globalresearch.ca]

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An Interesting Day: President Bush's Movements and Actions on 9/11


"At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television."

AT 9:03 a.m.—15 minutes (3, 6, 9)later— President Bush Sat down
in a classroom of 2nd graders and begin a 20-minute
Recitation of A Book Called "MY PET GOAT"

[link to www.historycommons.org]







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Isaiah 44:8 You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.

10You are my witnesses, declares the Lord,and my servant whom I have chosen,so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me. 11I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior. 12I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.13Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. Isaiah 43 When I act, who can reverse it?
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Please know the difference between Christians and Catholicism
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My friend, they are branches of the same TREE----
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Viewed from a distance and with ignorance, the maple is mistaken for the oak. Viewed more closely with a bit more understanding, the maple is mistaken for the poplar.

You know not of what you speak, however truth falls dead at the feet of presupposition more often than not so I will not attempt to persuade you to abandon yours.

Warm Regards.
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Please know the difference between Christians and Catholicism
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My friend, they are branches of the same TREE----
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Viewed from a distance and with ignorance, the maple is mistaken for the oak. Viewed more closely with a bit more understanding, the maple is mistaken for the poplar.

You know not of what you speak, however truth falls dead at the feet of presupposition more often than not so I will not attempt to persuade you to abandon yours.

Warm Regards.
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]Thank you for the warm regards--------in fact ---
one who knows
what flows out of a Maple tree--- has an eye for Maples----- And knows from far that it is a Maple

----------ONe who uses the oak as firewood and building
knows in fact an Oak from a Far distance---

-----------and people around my way know the Poplar as the
Balm-of-Gilead & TAca-ma-hac-----

Respected Shaman and healers know every plant in
their domain----to perform the work that the plant
is needed for to accomplish-------He needs no persuasion
regarding the the plants that he has available to him------
He simply Uses The One That Works for everyone.
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Spirit and flesh?

Mother and father?

Heaven and Earth?

Yin and yang?

Alpha and Omega?

Adam and Eve?

Male and Female?

Who do they witness too, well the son of man of course......

The sun of man, mans mind, 3rd eye, 7th chakra

And every eye shall see him

Remember the 7th day and keep it holy/wholely

Honour thy father and mother
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~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


:Burning Bush in :

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 Quoting: Le Palma


In the Biblical allegory, original sin seems not the act of eating the apple, but not owning it. They chose shame instead of responsibility for the act. I don't see it as anything but a failed test, one the people of the book failed over and over. Now that's my opinion of the Biblical text, not my all encompassing belief. Wisdom comes from more than one place, more than one book. It's everywhere :)
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com
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Maybe they, through their prophetic emphasis, will bring about many to Christ. I thought somewhere in Rev. it states they seal the 144,000
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The 144,000 ARE the two witnesses...
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~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


:Burning Bush in :

Euonymus occidentalis
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In the Biblical allegory, original sin seems not the act of eating the apple, but not owning it. They chose shame instead of responsibility for the act. I don't see it as anything but a failed test, one the people of the book failed over and over. Now that's my opinion of the Biblical text, not my all encompassing belief. Wisdom comes from more than one place, more than one book. It's everywhere :)
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like that
makes sense rockon
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~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


:Burning Bush in :

Euonymus occidentalis
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In the Biblical allegory, original sin seems not the act of eating the apple, but not owning it. They chose shame instead of responsibility for the act. I don't see it as anything but a failed test, one the people of the book failed over and over. Now that's my opinion of the Biblical text, not my all encompassing belief. Wisdom comes from more than one place, more than one book. It's everywhere :)
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That is correct matter of fact very correct, the man Adam could have said...Father forgive us for we know not what we do but he did not...instead he blamed the Father...he the man said word for word verbatum...That woman YOU gave to be with me & than after they were cast forth from the garden there was no one else that he could blame for his fall so who was left to blame???The same one they still blame today for their fall "THE WOMAN"...No wonder she's so pissed, nothing but a bunch of little boys dressed in a man's skin.

This record has to be set straight or there will be nothing left of the creation.

Marty Joseph en`eng`ko

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Maybe they, through their prophetic emphasis, will bring about many to Christ. I thought somewhere in Rev. it states they seal the 144,000
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The 144,000 ARE the two witnesses...
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Now because of his refusal to accept responsibility the woman is now prone in doing the same thing he has done for so long. It's kinda of like hows the shoe fit now guys...it's tough to put on a size 5 high heels when your shoe size is a 12 in it's EGOism. And nothing but total destruction can come that scenario...they outcome looks pretty bleak & the way I see it is,we can either go in forward motion and set the record straight or we can stay on our present course and you do not need a prophet to tell you where that is going...everyone can see it...brother against brother,neighbor against neighbor not one house left standing & so on.

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Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about
Accepting Jesus as your saviour ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengence of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That?

In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH"

The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11--
Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." -

Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website
[link to www.adherents.com] it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion.

During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE.
Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept christianity.


skull_fingDEATH TOLL LINKskull_fing
[link to necrometrics.com]



John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know.


Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church.

Even the smallest estimation of death equals more
people murdered than any genocide
that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues.

No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts".


~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world.

The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


" You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator..........

Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will??????

The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings.

“Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains)
“Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides)
The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Le Palma


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Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will??????

Yes they will...and they are.

They stand against all, and live by Love, Faith and Truth alone.

Let it all go, and remember the things you left behind. When you followed others..you forgot that GOD is in you all along, no need for men teachers, because the KINGDOM OF GOD has been here all along, within the chosen, or awakened ones who have been asleep in the dust. The sea will certainly give up those dead in it, and all will know GOD soon, for His Law will be written in each persons heart, and all will know Him.
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~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


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Euonymus occidentalis
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In the Biblical allegory, original sin seems not the act of eating the apple, but not owning it. They chose shame instead of responsibility for the act. I don't see it as anything but a failed test, one the people of the book failed over and over. Now that's my opinion of the Biblical text, not my all encompassing belief. Wisdom comes from more than one place, more than one book. It's everywhere :)
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Yes exactly----and created a Scape Goat---for blame----
When the Law was handed down to the Hebrews, they were
told to sacrifice two---one for blood at the alter----the other was "cast away" into the wilderness--but lived.......

It also relates to the story of Cain and Able----Able was murdered by Cain and the story in the bible says that rather than taking Cains life----He was allowed to Live as a Cast away---

Also similar stories in every culture and religion.
In Egypt, as the conflict between Horus and SET---documented
on the Shabaka Stone------

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Isaiah 1:2 Hear, O heavens! Listen, O earth! For the LORD has spoken: "I reared children and brought them up, but they have rebelled against me.

Jer. 3:22

Return, O faithless sons; I will heal your faithlessness.” “Behold, we come to you, for you are the LORD our God.
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~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


:Burning Bush in :

Euonymus occidentalis
 Quoting: Le Palma


In the Biblical allegory, original sin seems not the act of eating the apple, but not owning it. They chose shame instead of responsibility for the act. I don't see it as anything but a failed test, one the people of the book failed over and over. Now that's my opinion of the Biblical text, not my all encompassing belief. Wisdom comes from more than one place, more than one book. It's everywhere :)
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Yes exactly----and created a Scape Goat---for blame----
When the Law was handed down to the Hebrews, they were
told to sacrifice two---one for blood at the alter----the other was "cast away" into the wilderness--but lived.......

It also relates to the story of Cain and Able----Able was murdered by Cain and the story in the bible says that rather than taking Cains life----He was allowed to Live as a Cast away---
 Quoting: Le Palma


The very first lawyers! Looking for a loophole... lmao. :) What you just said made me erupt with that spontaneously, my apologies to any lawyers reading, hehe.
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Please know the difference between Christians and Catholicism
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My friend, they are branches of the same TREE----
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That's absolutely false. Catholicism is the story of Osiris, Isis and Horus. Egyptian mystery religion. The first of the nephilim bloodlines reseeded on the earth after the flood. It is nothing, but a counterfeit sun cult religion merged into the truth to deceive people like yourself. Obviously you don't know anything about the masonic orders or even world theology.
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I don't know where I find this stuff----but this Video
is about Lucifer & Michael---the story of two brothers

its long but cool graphics




@6:16 & @6:33
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Please know the difference between Christians and Catholicism
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My friend, they are branches of the same TREE----
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That's absolutely false. Catholicism is the story of Osiris, Isis and Horus. Egyptian mystery religion. The first of the nephilim bloodlines reseeded on the earth after the flood. It is nothing, but a counterfeit sun cult religion merged into the truth to deceive people like yourself. Obviously you don't know anything about the masonic orders or even world theology.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1170013


This story comes from one place and one time, it's where every story starts. It's the Ur Example. Then each culture changed, added, subtracted, tossed in a little of whatever civilization they met/traded with/conquered/assimilated. And... here we are. We're all talking about the same core event and denying it's the exact same event.
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com
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I don't know where I find this stuff----but this Video
is about Lucifer & Michael---the story of two brothers

its long but cool graphics




@6:16 & @6:33
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nor do i but please do not stop
i never knew any of that rockon
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the ehm 7th day is called vacation.

that is eh

vac=job

at=yes at

ion=ions


if you have that you should have vacation for the rest of your life if you're able to use it and when you don;t have a weird neighbour who miss uses it or not when you miss use it.


dunno about tent camps/humans(kids)sex for sale and labour under pressure but yes
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vatican has vacation woohoo i still see them driving around with s-american asian kids to take home for sex while driving to work.
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According to scripture, the two witnesses are given power to torment them that dwell on the earth. They are given powers to;

To turn the waters into blood
To shut up the heavens so that is does not rain
To smite the earth with plagues

... These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. - (Rev 11:6)

And when these two witnesses are killed, the peoples and kindreds and tongues and nations will rejoice and not even give them a burial.

... And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. - (Rev 11:9-10)


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I believe the Two Witnesses should not be thought of as "people" but instead as Heavenly Bodies. There are other prophesies of this nature which calls them The Twins. In Hopi prophesy the "Twins" are the Red and Blue Star Kachina.

"first there is purification time..and then renewal time"
-Hopi Prophesy

"Turn the waters to blood..." to me this passage is indicative of iron oxide which is Red.

"To smite the earth with plagues"

Plagues Defined:
[link to www.thefreedictionary.com]
"A widespread affliction or calamity, especially one seen as divine retribution."

"For three and a half days some from the peoples and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and refuse to let them be placed in a tomb," Revelation 11:9

I believe this passage is indicative of massive amount of people who will die in this event. So many that they are left unburied and allowed to rot and decay.

This could also represent senselessness. When the Egyptians described The Destroyer in the Kolbrin Bible, they say people dashed about crazed, delirious, zombie like after the Destroyer passes.

The Kolbin Bible (Egyptian Great Book)
CRT:3:3 Men, stricken with terror, went mad at the awful sight in the Heavens. They were loosed from their senses and dashed about, crazed, not knowing what they did The breath was sucked from their bodies, and they were burnt with a strange ash.

CRT:3:8 Men and their dwelling places were gone; only sky-boulders and red earth remained where once they were, but amidst all of the desolation, a few survived, for man is not easily destroyed. They crept out of caves and came down from the mountainsides. Their eyes were wild, and their limbs trembled; their bodies' shook, and their tongues lacked control. Their faces were twisted, and the skin hung loose on their bones. They were as maddened wild beasts driven into an enclosure before flames; they knew no law, being deprived of all the wisdom they once had, and those who guided them were gone.

The "Red Kachina" (The Destroyer) is know by many different names the world over. Despite being separated by space and time, separate ancient cultures described a very similar event which happened in OUR past. This "Event" is cyclical in nature and our ancient ancestors knew this thing would in a word...Return. That we would have a Second Coming. A second coming of the "Son(Sun) of Man" or Messiah.

"Messiahs appear in many religions including Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Bible and the Koran both describe a similar end time scenario which in the Koran, says The Sun with RISE in the WEST as THE indicator.

The Hopi alluded to this same phenomena of the Earth "Changing it's rotation" from clockwise(now) to counter clockwise which they claim in the "Correct" rotation. This would cause the Sun to Rise in the West. The Egyptians as well claimed the sun use to rise in the West and it changed during a huge catastrophe which caused the Bronze Age Collapse.

The Bronze Age collapse:

The Bronze Age collapse is a transition in southwestern Asia and the Eastern Mediterranean from the Late Bronze Age to the Early Iron Age that some historians believe was violent, sudden and culturally disruptive. Cultural collapse of the Mycenaean kingdoms, the Hittite Empire in Anatolia and Syria, Egyptian Empire in Syria and Canaan interrupted trade routes and severely reduced literacy. In the first phase of this period, almost every city between Troy and Gaza was violently destroyed, and often left unoccupied thereafter: examples include Hattusa, Mycenae, Ugarit.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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