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TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?

 
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The Rapture is a new doctrine, not one that was taught by any of the prophets nor the Apostles nor the CHRIST.

The word Rapture has a root meaning that I can prove because I have the physical evidence to prove out what I tell you.

It is directly connected to the word ENCHANTMENTS & means this; The use or practice of magic,sorcery,charms,etc; the state of being enchanted;to have a spell cast upon one's self;to subdue by spells and sorcery; to RAPTURE.

Martin
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What a load of bollocks. 'rapture' is just a relatively modern word used to describe the seizure/kidnapping like event mentioned in the dead sea scrolls (with brevity).

Rapture. c.1600, "act of carrying off," from M.Fr. rapture, from M.L. raptura "seizure, rape, kidnapping," from L. raptus "a carrying off" (see rapt). Originally of women and cognate with rape (v.). Sense of "spiritual ecstasy" first recorded 1620s.

1 Thes 4:17-18. LITV
Then we who remain alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to a meeting with the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. So, then, comfort each other with these words.

1 Cor 15:51-53. LITV
Behold, I speak a mystery to you: we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet; for a trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

John 14:2-3 LITV
In My Father's house are many dwelling places. But if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going to prepare a place for you! And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you to Myself, that where I am you may be also.
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New Zealand do you ever research anything for it's core root meaning,,,Like the word clouds as found in 1Thessalonians 4:17 Do you know what the word clouds is being used as in that scripture,,,oh you think it's referring to an actual cloud of marsh mellows. Go get a Strong's concordance and figure this one out.

They have changed the root meaning of the word Rapture throughout the years as of late & this one is a no brainer if you take heed to what I have warned you about.

The rapture doctrine of devils as found in 1Timothy 4:1 started in the early to mid 1800's & finally took a foothold in the mainstream churches at the turn of the century. You should know atleast what that word RAPTURE implied & what it meant back then when that false doctrine first came to be.

It is also a doctrine not taught by the Apostles nor did they give it that interpretation or meaning. Most of what is written cannot be taken literally. Do your homework first & then give an accurate report.The scriptures are not just two days old ya know! The scriptures come from old Times and the words used had a lot of different meanings back then.

Martin

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I believe they will witness the truth.
The truth about which denomination is correct.
The truth about the existance of the NWO/illuminati.
They will make prophecies and predictions and they
will be correct 100% of the time. In revelation it
says several times "they have power". So God will
give them the power to do as they see fit.
My take is that God allowed so much evil and power
to be placed in many elite hands at the top and
he will destroy them by giving enormous power to
two individuals at the bottom. The first will be last
and the last will be first.
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alpha and omega refers to the one asshole who learned to become immortal, but the problem is he will be here alone with nothing else alive because he held all this ancient and sacred knowledge to himself and no progression was made by his planet he hated people. he will live alone here till the end of time, which will be never.....ie hell/
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You are more funnier than all get out, all things are as they should be and you know it. Looks like you are getting a bit nervous of what is currently going on at the hands of the man who rules himself. It sure seems that way. Free will to do as one chooses, is that to hard to understand.

Seems like the man has done a pretty poor job & I think we can both agree on that.

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Here is what I know to be true.

The two witnesses have already been chosen as they have witnessed the first miracle of the Kingdom of God, which is how they came to be selected as the two witnesses. I understand that one of them is Jewish and one is Catholic.

In the chosen, God finds love.

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New Zealand do you ever research anything for it's core root meaning,,,Like the word clouds as found in 1Thessalonians 4:17 Do you know what the word clouds is being used as in that scripture,,,oh you think it's referring to an actual cloud of marsh mellows. Go get a Strong's concordance and figure this one out.

They have changed the root meaning of the word Rapture throughout the years as of late & this one is a no brainer if you take heed to what I have warned you about.

The rapture doctrine of devils as found in 1Timothy 4:1 started in the early to mid 1800's & finally took a foothold in the mainstream churches at the turn of the century. You should know atleast what that word RAPTURE implied back then when that false doctrine first came to be.

It is also a doctrine not taught by the Apostles nor did they give it that interpretation or meaning. Most of what is written cannot be taken literally. Do your homework first & then give an accurate report.The scriptures are not just two days old ya know!

Martin
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Words are but frail messengers BUT I reiterate - Rapture, the word, pre-dates the turn of the century. Try 1600's. The verses quoted were actually from a LITERAL translation, which retains the literal meaning is retained better than most translations.

The root Greek word for "shall be caught up" is "harpazo" <Strongs's concordance #726> and means "to seize, catch up, carry off by force, snatch out or away" which is pretty much the same meaning as "rapiemur"...which is probably why Jerome translated that way!

If we all thought your way then the world would still be flat, and the sun would be orbiting the Earth. New ways of looking at things don't make them inherently wrong by your interpretation.

I have better things to do with my time than e-arguing. So you believe what you like, I really don't care.
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That meant to read.. "New ways of looking at things don't make them inherently wrong, contrary to your interpretation."
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the text that was edited, guess u can't edit from my history...


~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


:Burning Bush in :

Euonymus occidentalis
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In the Biblical allegory, original sin seems not the act of eating the apple, but not owning it. They chose shame instead of responsibility for the act. I don't see it as anything but a failed test, one the people of the book failed over and over. Now that's my opinion of the Biblical text, not my all encompassing belief. Wisdom comes from more than one place, more than one book. It's everywhere :)
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That is correct matter of fact very correct, the man Adam could have said...Father forgive us for we know not what we do but he did not...instead he blamed the Father...he the man said word for word verbatum...That woman YOU gave to be with me & than after they were cast forth from the garden there was no one else that he could blame for his fall so who was left to blame???The same one they still blame today for their fall "THE WOMAN"...No wonder she's so pissed, nothing but a bunch of little boys dressed in a man's skin.

This record has to be set straight or there will be nothing left of the creation.

Marty Joseph en`eng`ko
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this was vid that seemed to "kNot be in flow"... i thought it fit right in, whatever...

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op is very pretty but is she real
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With that in mind, take a look at all the places in the New Testament where "harpazo" is used and see how it is used:

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take <726> it by force <726>.

Matthew 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away <726> that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take <726> him by force <726>, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

John 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth <726> them, and scattereth the sheep. [How does a wolf get a sheep? "Harpazo" meaning "to seize, catch up, carry off by force, snatch out or away" fits here pretty good....wouldn't you say? Well, it's the same way Christians will be "caught away to meet the Lord in the air"!]

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall <726> any man pluck <726> them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck <726> them out of my Father's hand.

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away <726> Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip was found at Azotus. [Note earlier in this section that the angel told Philip to catch up and intercept this man traveling by chariot from Jerusalem to Gaza on a desert route. Take a look of a map of Israel to understand the significance of his being "caught away". Now if Philip was "caught away" from the closest part of that route to Azotus, he would have been "caught away " 10 miles minimum. If it was not at the closest point, it would have been more than 10 miles. How would you like to travel that way with no chariot or car? Well, that is how Christians, who are alive when Jesus comes, will be caught up to Him.]

Acts 23:10 And when there arose a great dissension, the chief captain, fearing lest Paul should have been pulled in pieces of them, commanded the soldiers to go down, and to take <726> him by force <726> from among them, and to bring him into the castle.

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up <726> to the third heaven...4 How that he was caught up <726> into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. [It is believed by most Bible scholars that Paul was speaking humbly about himself being "caught up" because in verses 1-8 he says he does not want to glory in the amount of visions and revelations God gave him.]

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up <726> together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling <726> them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child (i.e. Jesus) as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child (i.e. Jesus), who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child (i.e. Jesus) was caught up <726> (i.e. his ascension to heaven 40 days after his resurrection) unto God, and to his throne.
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Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about
Accepting Jesus as your saviour ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengence of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That?

In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH"

The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11--
Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." -

Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website
[link to www.adherents.com] it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion.

During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE.
Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept christianity.


skull_fingDEATH TOLL LINKskull_fing
[link to necrometrics.com]



John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know.


Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church.

Even the smallest estimation of death equals more
people murdered than any genocide
that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues.

No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts".


~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world.

The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


" You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator..........

Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will??????

The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings.

“Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains)
“Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides)
The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Le Palma


WRONG they were forced to accept CATHOLICISM or be tortured and killed. CATHOLICISM is not and never will be CHRISTIANITY!
JOHN 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about
Accepting Jesus as your saviour ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengence of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That?

In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH"

The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11--
Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." -

Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website
[link to www.adherents.com] it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion.

During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE.
Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept christianity.


skull_fingDEATH TOLL LINKskull_fing
[link to necrometrics.com]



John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know.


Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church.

Even the smallest estimation of death equals more
people murdered than any genocide
that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues.

No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts".


~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world.

The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


" You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator..........

Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will??????

The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings.

“Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains)
“Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides)
The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Le Palma


WRONG they were forced to accept CATHOLICISM or be tortured and killed. CATHOLICISM is not and never will be CHRISTIANITY!
 Quoting: gdchappy


Absolutely. Thank you for making that distinction. Christians; you will know them by their actions.

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Re: TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?
Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about
Accepting Jesus as your saviour ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengence of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That?

In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH"

The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11--
Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." -

Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website
[link to www.adherents.com] it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion.

During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE.
Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept christianity.


skull_fingDEATH TOLL LINKskull_fing
[link to necrometrics.com]



John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know.


Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church.

Even the smallest estimation of death equals more
people murdered than any genocide
that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues.

No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts".


~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world.

The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


" You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator..........

Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will??????

The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings.

“Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains)
“Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides)
The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Le Palma


I always thought the two witnesses were Iraq and Afganistan..but now it looks like they are Gadaffi and his son Motassim.


I saw Gadaffi on saturday..he is well pissed off.Said something about " jihad " and St Michael.

That Motassim....never seen such a cool guy.Minutes before he was about to be killed and he didn't give a fuck...that's real faith.

GOD BLESS THE GADAFI'S..The colonel will rule again.
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New Zealand do you ever research anything for it's core root meaning,,,Like the word clouds as found in 1Thessalonians 4:17 Do you know what the word clouds is being used as in that scripture,,,oh you think it's referring to an actual cloud of marsh mellows. Go get a Strong's concordance and figure this one out.

They have changed the root meaning of the word Rapture throughout the years as of late & this one is a no brainer if you take heed to what I have warned you about.

The rapture doctrine of devils as found in 1Timothy 4:1 started in the early to mid 1800's & finally took a foothold in the mainstream churches at the turn of the century. You should know atleast what that word RAPTURE implied back then when that false doctrine first came to be.

It is also a doctrine not taught by the Apostles nor did they give it that interpretation or meaning. Most of what is written cannot be taken literally. Do your homework first & then give an accurate report.The scriptures are not just two days old ya know!

Martin
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Words are but frail messengers BUT I reiterate - Rapture, the word, pre-dates the turn of the century. Try 1600's. The verses quoted were actually from a LITERAL translation, which retains the literal meaning is retained better than most translations.

The root Greek word for "shall be caught up" is "harpazo" <Strongs's concordance #726> and means "to seize, catch up, carry off by force, snatch out or away" which is pretty much the same meaning as "rapiemur"...which is probably why Jerome translated that way!

If we all thought your way then the world would still be flat, and the sun would be orbiting the Earth. New ways of looking at things don't make them inherently wrong by your interpretation.

I have better things to do with my time than e-arguing. So you believe what you like, I really don't care.
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So taking someone by Force is the exercise of free will by Force,really. That does not imply free will & I don't waste time arguing a mute point because when it's all said & done everyone will know the matter of the truth no matter what is said.

Martin
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you didn't take the time to watch the vid and it was directly related to the flow of marty's comment...so come la palma, fess up, why the edit?
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No, I did! I'm getting the impression that she is not interested in defending her position. Will check back tomorrow

Good night and peace to all!
 Quoting: jdb


Just to let you know she probably went to bed & she will give an answer come tomorrow & if she does not well that's her prerogative to give an answer or not to give an answer.
Everyone always wants to be spoon fed their answers.

Martin
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martin, did you see the post she edited in reference to your comment?
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No I did not see it. At what time was that done?And I would also like to ask have you ever went back and edited a post because it did not come out they way you were thinking it in your head?

Martin

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So taking someone by Force is the exercise of free will by Force,really. That does not imply free will & I don't waste time arguing a mute point because when it's all said & done everyone will know the matter of the truth no matter what is said.

Martin
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Who implied freewill in the matter anyway? Not I. And who cares. An externally induced event could happen without freewill of the entity being taken away.

Example, if I were to rescue a bug drowning in a pond, would the bug care about freewill if it were being saved from an impending di-hydrogen monoxide disaster?

Anywa why couldn't the creator could allow freewill implicitly during the 'event'? After all, it is the creator - unconstrained by time, we are talking about. So if you want to stay, you might have your wishes granted.
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So taking someone by Force is the exercise of free will by Force,really. That does not imply free will & I don't waste time arguing a mute point because when it's all said & done everyone will know the matter of the truth no matter what is said.

Martin
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Who implied freewill in the matter anyway? Not I. And who cares. An externally induced event could happen without freewill of the entity being taken away.

Example, if I were to rescue a bug drowning in a pond, would the bug care about freewill if it were being saved from an impending di-hydrogen monoxide disaster?

Anywa why couldn't the creator could allow freewill implicitly during the 'event'? After all, it is the creator - unconstrained by time, we are talking about. So if you want to stay, you might have your wishes granted.
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I prefer it not to be on the premise of the word use of rapture,it's a poor choice of words to give an example of what is written. Considering all that the word Rapture is connected to. Find a better word to use such as caught up to be with(just the way it is written) is fine to make sense of what is written, that is what I am saying,simple as that.
Knowing what the word rapture means I prefer that not to happen to me,if you can understand what I am implying here.

Martin
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Re: TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?
Wait and see about the rapture, aye?.

Personally I think the common undestanding of the rapture is a bad interpretation of what will come to pass. I think the ones god will protect from the tribulations will use 'the Power of God', as Jesus did, and this will protect them. The Kingdom of God is approaching. the Power of God is about to return to man.

In the Chosen, God finds love.

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Re: TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?
The Two Witnesses/candlesticks are the Bible. (Zech 4)
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Most bible scholars and church pastors, and Christians assume that the two witnesses must be witnessing about
Accepting Jesus as your saviour ("getting saved"), repentance, and the vengence of God for not accepting his Son as a saviour. But, does the bible Really Say That?

In Rev. Ch. 11, The Two Witnesses are called "The Two Olive trees and the two Lampstands" THAT STAND BEFORE THE LORD OF THE EARTH"

The story of the witnesses is set up in the previous chapter, Chapter 10:11--
Then I was told, "You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." -

Presently, Christianity is the most prevalent religion on Earth. According to this website
[link to www.adherents.com] it comprises 33% of all the people affiliated with religion.

During the Crusades, and the middle ages in Europe, (1095-1291) People were forced to accept Christianity at the Edge of a sword or DIE.
Over 3 Million people were slaughtered because they did not accept christianity.


skull_fingDEATH TOLL LINKskull_fing
[link to necrometrics.com]



John Robertson, A short History of Christianity estimates the death totals are more likely 9 Million people slaughtered because they would not accept a religion they didn't know.


Practically everyone alive today has at least 1 ancestor that were murdered, had property stolen, tortured, beheaded, or forced to accept religion of the Catholic Church.

Even the smallest estimation of death equals more
people murdered than any genocide
that has happened in the modern world. This history remains unwritten in school history books, it is not spoken of, and by ignoring it, we do a great diservice to ourselves and our and our ancestors, and our children, and so the cycle continues.

No where in revelation ch. 11 does it say that the two wittnesses are telling people "You better get saved, exept Jesus as your saviour now or you will burn in hell, you wicked sinners, alchoholics and theives and drug addicts".


~~~~~~~~~WE Are not Born "Sinners"---We are born Into a World that is a WEb of Dis-appropiated Thoughts~~~~~~~~~~

Thus the present Shape of This World has a negative
influence on the Human Being in such a way To Cause
Them to have Such Loathing Thoughts THemselves.....


As we approach the "end of the age", I believe that it will be a time of Judgement for sure, however "sinners" are not the Big problem in this world.

The big Elephant in the Room is Tyranny, Domination, Coercion, cruelty, terrorism, totalitarianism, monocracies, and oligarchies, Oppression, intimidation, and menace.


" You must prophesy against many peoples, nations, languages and kings." Every power is given by the Creator..........

Could the two witness be speaking against Big World Religions and Governments who wage endless wars in the name of peace, harmony, and good will??????

The bible certainly does NOT say that they will be standing up for one big world religion, in fact, it says they will be speaking against the nations and kings.

“Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything.”(Gains)
“Who so neglects learning in his youth loses the past and is dead to the future.'” (Euripides)
The number of THE PEOPLE are greater than those in power!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Le Palma


WRONG they were forced to accept CATHOLICISM or be tortured and killed. CATHOLICISM is not and never will be CHRISTIANITY!
 Quoting: gdchappy


ROFL

All protestant churches came from her, e.g. Jesus is God.
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Re: TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?
Wait and see about the rapture, aye?.

Personally I think the common undestanding of the rapture is a bad interpretation of what will come to pass. I think the ones god will protect from the tribulations will use 'the Power of God', as Jesus did, and this will protect them. The Kingdom of God is approaching. the Power of God is about to return to man.

In the Chosen, God finds love.
 Quoting: SoulwalkerNZ


Thank you I do absolutely agree with you on all points given & I am happy to put that to rest as has presently been accomplished.

Grace,Peace & Mercy,

Martin Joseph
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10/25/2011 03:53 AM
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Good night all but before I go to bed, There is one thing I am thankful for,that on this forum when there are subject matters that are not clear we can atleast come together & find an absolute resolve that settles any of the misunderstandings that we battle to clarify daily in our lives especially when it comes to what is written. It's good to be alive.

Marty Joseph enengko
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No, I did! I'm getting the impression that she is not interested in defending her position. Will check back tomorrow

Good night and peace to all!
 Quoting: jdb


Just to let you know she probably went to bed & she will give an answer come tomorrow & if she does not well that's her prerogative to give an answer or not to give an answer.
Everyone always wants to be spoon fed their answers.

Martin
 Quoting: gd2balive


martin, did you see the post she edited in reference to your comment?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3729200


well, it appears as if your comment on page 3 that i quoted was also edited...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3729200



I Have not edited Anyones comments-----stop your lies------
if You Want to post your video---go start a thread entitled
"You tube videos of no relevance BY LeagUE of aNONymous
COWARDS"

-----and fill it full of all
the Non relevant videos that tug at your very loose heartstrings------Hey, you can even post a video
that glorifies the present slavery of the human condition-------and it won't get deleated--=--- Have
Fun----No one is stopping you but Your self.

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Re: TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?
New Zealand do you ever research anything for it's core root meaning,,,Like the word clouds as found in 1Thessalonians 4:17 Do you know what the word clouds is being used as in that scripture,,,oh you think it's referring to an actual cloud of marsh mellows. Go get a Strong's concordance and figure this one out.

They have changed the root meaning of the word Rapture throughout the years as of late & this one is a no brainer if you take heed to what I have warned you about.

The rapture doctrine of devils as found in 1Timothy 4:1 started in the early to mid 1800's & finally took a foothold in the mainstream churches at the turn of the century. You should know atleast what that word RAPTURE implied back then when that false doctrine first came to be.

It is also a doctrine not taught by the Apostles nor did they give it that interpretation or meaning. Most of what is written cannot be taken literally. Do your homework first & then give an accurate report.The scriptures are not just two days old ya know!

Martin
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Words are but frail messengers BUT I reiterate - Rapture, the word, pre-dates the turn of the century. Try 1600's. The verses quoted were actually from a LITERAL translation, which retains the literal meaning is retained better than most translations.

The root Greek word for "shall be caught up" is "harpazo" <Strongs's concordance #726> and means "to seize, catch up, carry off by force, snatch out or away" which is pretty much the same meaning as "rapiemur"...which is probably why Jerome translated that way!

If we all thought your way then the world would still be flat, and the sun would be orbiting the Earth. New ways of looking at things don't make them inherently wrong by your interpretation.

I have better things to do with my time than e-arguing. So you believe what you like, I really don't care.
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Good Morning Le Palma,

It is apparent that some make it their lifelong goal to make something out of nothing & I personally would like to admit that I have edited some of my comments after reviewing them & realizing that it did not say what I was trying to convey. Either way it's water under the bridge and it does not matter. Who knows,maybe today they might realize that they might have been wrong & render an appropriate apology for the oversight. There's always a hope. :) :) :)

Ezekiel 47:10 It's good to be alive...I will be gone working till late this evening, have a blessed day if I do not get a chance to talk to you...

Grace,Peace & Mercy,
Marty Joseph EnGedi en`Eng`ko
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Re: TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?
thier prophecy is the seven thunders.
 Quoting: Aman 1519359


Yes What is the Seven Thunders?
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thier prophecy is the seven thunders.
 Quoting: Aman 1519359


Yes What is the Seven Thunders?
 Quoting: Le Palma


The Seven Sisters? The Peliads, Hesperides? More groups of seven here...

[link to www.mysticalnumbers.com]
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com
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thier prophecy is the seven thunders.
 Quoting: Aman 1519359


Yes What is the Seven Thunders?
 Quoting: Le Palma


The Seven Sisters? The Peliads, Hesperides? More groups of seven here...

[link to www.mysticalnumbers.com]
 Quoting: Snoocherdoodle (Queen Bea)


Seven Sisters (oil companies)

The "Seven Sisters" was a term coined in the 1950s by businessman Enrico Mattei, then-head of the Italian state oil company Eni, to describe the seven oil companies which formed the "Consortium for Iran" and dominated the global petroleum industry from the mid-1940s to the 1970s. The group comprised Standard Oil of New Jersey and Standard Oil Company of New York (now ExxonMobil); Standard Oil of California (now Chevron), Gulf Oil (acquired by Chevron in 1985) and Texaco; Royal Dutch Shell; and Anglo-Persian Oil Company (now BP).

In 1973 the members of the Seven Sisters controlled 85% of the world's petroleum reserves but in recent decades the dominance of them and their successor companies has been reduced by the increasing influence of the OPEC cartel and state-owned oil companies in emerging-market economies
 Quoting: spooky

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They witness about how Satan is the lifeboat.
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Or the chakras, the link I posted also has religion specific number lore... but I think we should look at all mentions, they shouldn't group them off, lol. Soooo many 7s, 9s.
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com
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thier prophecy is the seven thunders.
 Quoting: Aman 1519359


Yes What is the Seven Thunders?
 Quoting: Le Palma


who or what made the prophecy, i can`t find the link to see

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