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I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!

 
theSeachingJones

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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
you always seem to have some difficulty with Wisdom, Master OWK... I wonder why?
 Quoting: theSeachingJones:

Well, I thought 'Wisdom comes with age'?...........but of course we could consider that many ages(life streams) would(or should), as you have stated; provide ample opportunity to gain Wisdom.........could it not?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Your thinking that Wisdom comes with age...that's what "they" want you to believe. As we get older, we should be smarter than when we were younger by our experiences and how we learn.
Our Wisdom has always been with us. They are no Wisdom levels.
once again: We are born with Wisdom.

It's a matter of realizing Our Wisdom, that's how we gain Wisdom, by eliminating what external forces are attempting to "teach" us. aka religious beliefs/educational learning.

Wisdom is the only means to establish your relationship with Our Creator.

Try it(~)
We get the powers over us that we've earned collectively. Humanity, as a whole, is self-interested, shallow, ignorant, violent and immoral; small wonder, therefore, that our leaders (secret or otherwise) reflect that. You want better leaders, become better people.

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God Bless You;
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
So if you are equal with God, then why would you look to another(Jesus) to be your "mediator"?

If you are "equal with God" then why would you worship Jesus as a Savior.........wouldn't that be "servitude", rather than equality?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


How could you be equal with God - have you lost your contact with reality?
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You mean a reality that promotes separatism, vile judgment and the suppression of self-discovery? Look to your own for a perfect example. "There is no salvation but through YOUR God."

Don't you see how that very thought is self-inhabiting to the growth of your soul?

If God is truth and God is omnipotent than wouldn't the truth be omnidirectional?

If the idea doesn't offend you, imagine your self as an omnipotent being and ask your self this.

"Why does judging everything I ultimately created matter?"

In all sincerity, I'm curious as to think if an omnipotent being is capable of such anger to actually judge in the first place. To think that an omnipotent being would judge us and condemn us to hell for failing to grasp the gamut of truth and learn everything there is to learn in one life span is incredibly disturbing, and to me, that seems to be the total opposite of unconditional love or forgiveness.

For somebody that does not believe in a judgmental God, they do seem themselves on a plane of equality because we are from God and thus part of God. Singularity.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
you always seem to have some difficulty with Wisdom, Master OWK... I wonder why?
 Quoting: theSeachingJones:

Well, I thought 'Wisdom comes with age'?...........but of course we could consider that many ages(life streams) would(or should), as you have stated; provide ample opportunity to gain Wisdom.........could it not?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Your thinking that Wisdom comes with age...that's what "they" want you to believe. As we get older, we should be smarter than when we were younger by our experiences and how we learn.
Our Wisdom has always been with us. They are no Wisdom levels.
once again: We are born with Wisdom.

It's a matter of realizing Our Wisdom, that's how we gain Wisdom, by eliminating what external forces are attempting to "teach" us. aka religious beliefs/educational learning.

Wisdom is the only means to establish your relationship with Our Creator.

Try it(~)
 Quoting: theSeachingJones

I can accept that "Wisdom" is NOT the same thing as "Knowledge"..........but rather: Wisdom is the PROPER use of Knowledge!

.......and like YOU say, I think that comes from God........but it also comes from experiencing of God's life lessons for us! imho :)

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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
I can accept that "Wisdom" is NOT the same thing as "Knowledge"..........but rather: Wisdom is the PROPER use of Knowledge!

.......and like YOU say, I think that comes from God........but it also comes from experiencing of God's life lessons for us! imho :)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


I'd construct the chain this way:

Knowledge -> Understanding -> Wisdom.

In parallel there's the ego (chattering) mind -> wisdom mind.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
you always seem to have some difficulty with Wisdom, Master OWK... I wonder why?
 Quoting: theSeachingJones:

Well, I thought 'Wisdom comes with age'?...........but of course we could consider that many ages(life streams) would(or should), as you have stated; provide ample opportunity to gain Wisdom.........could it not?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Your thinking that Wisdom comes with age...that's what "they" want you to believe. As we get older, we should be smarter than when we were younger by our experiences and how we learn.
Our Wisdom has always been with us. They are no Wisdom levels.
once again: We are born with Wisdom.

It's a matter of realizing Our Wisdom, that's how we gain Wisdom, by eliminating what external forces are attempting to "teach" us. aka religious beliefs/educational learning.

Wisdom is the only means to establish your relationship with Our Creator.

Try it(~)
 Quoting: theSeachingJones

I can accept that "Wisdom" is NOT the same thing as "Knowledge"..........but rather: Wisdom is the PROPER use of Knowledge!

.......and like YOU say, I think that comes from God........but it also comes from experiencing of God's life lessons for us! imho :)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Wisdom and knowledge are different;
Wisdom is always with us;
knowledge is acquired by learning.
Wisdom connects Us with Our Creator;
Some knowledge (religious beliefs) separates Us from Our Creator.
see the difference?

We do become "wiser" when we learn our Life lessons, but it doesn't increase Our Wisdom.

I hope this helps, Master OWK.

heads up for You: beware of people who "think" they know about Spiritual maturity(~). they don't. their Spirituality is rooted in religious opinions and assumptions > Spiritual failure. Don't waste your time and energy on them.

Last Edited by theSearchingJones on 09/05/2011 06:58 PM
We get the powers over us that we've earned collectively. Humanity, as a whole, is self-interested, shallow, ignorant, violent and immoral; small wonder, therefore, that our leaders (secret or otherwise) reflect that. You want better leaders, become better people.

I forgive myself, I Love myself, I'm sorry, Please forgive me, I forgive you, I love you, Thank you.

God Bless You;
I Bless You;
Bless Yourself(~).

Love is the answer ~ Peace be with You.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
So if you are equal with God, then why would you look to another(Jesus) to be your "mediator"?

If you are "equal with God" then why would you worship Jesus as a Savior.........wouldn't that be "servitude", rather than equality?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Can you bind the Pleiades? Can you set a planet in motion, how did they get their motion and from whom.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
the lord has no equals or opposites.. the lord is beyond measure.. thats just the way it is..
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
Wisdom and knowledge are different;
Wisdom is always with us;
knowledge is acquired by learning.
Wisdom connects Us with Our Creator;
Some knowledge (religious beliefs) separates Us from Our Creator.
see the difference?

We do become "wiser" when we learn our Life lessons, but it doesn't increase Our Wisdom.

I hope this helps, Master OWK.
 Quoting: theSeachingJones:

It DOES help, thank you my friend........I am going to have to start calling YOU "Master Jones"! ;)
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
So if you are equal with God, then why would you look to another(Jesus) to be your "mediator"?

If you are "equal with God" then why would you worship Jesus as a Savior.........wouldn't that be "servitude", rather than equality?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Can you bind the Pleiades? Can you set a planet in motion, how did they get their motion and from whom.
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There's NOTHING that the 'two of us' can't do, when the 'one of us' is God! :)
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
So if you are equal with God, then why would you look to another(Jesus) to be your "mediator"?

If you are "equal with God" then why would you worship Jesus as a Savior.........wouldn't that be "servitude", rather than equality?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Can you bind the Pleiades? Can you set a planet in motion, how did they get their motion and from whom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470


well its obvious from this you think God waves magic wands or magic wands to do these things. In your statement you are talking Nature's GOD here. Don't some of you see that God is a jack of all trades word on this planet. These things work by natural laws, not by God's magic wand.

That which is God is not a single entity.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
the lord has no equals or opposites.. the lord is beyond measure.. thats just the way it is..
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So then He DIDN'T say: "He thought it not robbery, to be equal with God"?
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
So if you are equal with God, then why would you look to another(Jesus) to be your "mediator"?

If you are "equal with God" then why would you worship Jesus as a Savior.........wouldn't that be "servitude", rather than equality?
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Lofty aspirations for a Game Stop employee.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
the lord has no equals or opposites.. the lord is beyond measure.. thats just the way it is..
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So then He DIDN'T say: "He thought it not robbery, to be equal with God"?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Actually it was the Apostle Paul (quoting from an early Christian hymn it is speculated) that wrote these words, that Jesus didn't need to cling to His equality with God, that is, His divine nature. [or anything else for that matter].
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
the lord has no equals or opposites.. the lord is beyond measure.. thats just the way it is..
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So then He DIDN'T say: "He thought it not robbery, to be equal with God"?
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i dont know what you are quoting but unless you are jesus christ himself those words cannot apply to you or any.. and they seem like words straight from the filthy mouth of satan..
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
the lord has no equals or opposites.. the lord is beyond measure.. thats just the way it is..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1481707

So then He DIDN'T say: "He thought it not robbery, to be equal with God"?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


i dont know what you are quoting but unless you are jesus christ himself those words cannot apply to you or any.. and they seem like words straight from the filthy mouth of satan..
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No they are concepts of truth.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
So if you are equal with God, then why would you look to another(Jesus) to be your "mediator"?

If you are "equal with God" then why would you worship Jesus as a Savior.........wouldn't that be "servitude", rather than equality?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Lofty aspirations for a Game Stop employee.
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lol.........egads they're on to me.......lol
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
So if you are equal with God, then why would you look to another(Jesus) to be your "mediator"?

If you are "equal with God" then why would you worship Jesus as a Savior.........wouldn't that be "servitude", rather than equality?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Can you bind the Pleiades? Can you set a planet in motion, how did they get their motion and from whom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470

There's NOTHING that the 'two of us' can't do, when the 'one of us' is God! :)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Your answer is NO! You not only are not God you do not have relationship with God. If you did, you would not talk as you do.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
the lord has no equals or opposites.. the lord is beyond measure.. thats just the way it is..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1481707

So then He DIDN'T say: "He thought it not robbery, to be equal with God"?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Actually it was the Apostle Paul (quoting from an early Christian hymn it is speculated) that wrote these words, that Jesus didn't need to cling to His equality with God, that is, His divine nature. [or anything else for that matter].
 Quoting: Life and Love

Oh no's, don't tell me THAT......if it was Paul that said it, then I am going to have to change my whole way of thinking! blackeye

My Teacher's tell me, that THAT scoundrel Paul is as confused today as he was back then! :(
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
Wisdom and knowledge are different;
Wisdom is always with us;
knowledge is acquired by learning.
Wisdom connects Us with Our Creator;
Some knowledge (religious beliefs) separates Us from Our Creator.
see the difference?

We do become "wiser" when we learn our Life lessons, but it doesn't increase Our Wisdom.

I hope this helps, Master OWK.
 Quoting: theSeachingJones:

It DOES help, thank you my friend........I am going to have to start calling YOU "Master Jones"! ;)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


that's why we are here, to help each other(!)...
I am truly honored my friend > Master OWK(~).

peace

btw: Ask your teachers about Wisdom. I'd be interested in hearing what they will say about it > will you share that with me? ty

Last Edited by theSearchingJones on 09/05/2011 07:22 PM
We get the powers over us that we've earned collectively. Humanity, as a whole, is self-interested, shallow, ignorant, violent and immoral; small wonder, therefore, that our leaders (secret or otherwise) reflect that. You want better leaders, become better people.

I forgive myself, I Love myself, I'm sorry, Please forgive me, I forgive you, I love you, Thank you.

God Bless You;
I Bless You;
Bless Yourself(~).

Love is the answer ~ Peace be with You.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
the lord has no equals or opposites.. the lord is beyond measure.. thats just the way it is..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1481707

So then He DIDN'T say: "He thought it not robbery, to be equal with God"?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Actually it was the Apostle Paul (quoting from an early Christian hymn it is speculated) that wrote these words, that Jesus didn't need to cling to His equality with God, that is, His divine nature. [or anything else for that matter].
 Quoting: Life and Love

Oh no's, don't tell me THAT......if it was Paul that said it, then I am going to have to change my whole way of thinking! blackeye

My Teacher's tell me, that THAT scoundrel Paul is as confused today as he was back then! :(
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


+100
as are the posters who's beliefs are rooted in religious opinions and assumptions(!)
We get the powers over us that we've earned collectively. Humanity, as a whole, is self-interested, shallow, ignorant, violent and immoral; small wonder, therefore, that our leaders (secret or otherwise) reflect that. You want better leaders, become better people.

I forgive myself, I Love myself, I'm sorry, Please forgive me, I forgive you, I love you, Thank you.

God Bless You;
I Bless You;
Bless Yourself(~).

Love is the answer ~ Peace be with You.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
the lord has no equals or opposites.. the lord is beyond measure.. thats just the way it is..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1481707

So then He DIDN'T say: "He thought it not robbery, to be equal with God"?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


i dont know what you are quoting but unless you are jesus christ himself those words cannot apply to you or any.. and they seem like words straight from the filthy mouth of satan..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1481707

5. Let this mind be in you , which was also in Christ Jesus:

6. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phil. 2:5, 6
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the lord has no equals or opposites.. the lord is beyond measure.. thats just the way it is..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1481707

So then He DIDN'T say: "He thought it not robbery, to be equal with God"?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Actually it was the Apostle Paul (quoting from an early Christian hymn it is speculated) that wrote these words, that Jesus didn't need to cling to His equality with God, that is, His divine nature. [or anything else for that matter].
 Quoting: Life and Love

Oh no's, don't tell me THAT......if it was Paul that said it, then I am going to have to change my whole way of thinking! blackeye

My Teacher's tell me, that THAT scoundrel Paul is as confused today as he was back then! :(
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Who are your teachers?
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
So if you are equal with God, then why would you look to another(Jesus) to be your "mediator"?

If you are "equal with God" then why would you worship Jesus as a Savior.........wouldn't that be "servitude", rather than equality?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Can you bind the Pleiades? Can you set a planet in motion, how did they get their motion and from whom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470

There's NOTHING that the 'two of us' can't do, when the 'one of us' is God! :)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Your answer is NO! You not only are not God you do not have relationship with God. If you did, you would not talk as you do.
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I NEVER said I was God........I said I thought it not robber to be equal with God(when one learns how to be aligned with THAT Energy), that is!
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btw: Ask your teachers about Wisdom. I'd be interested in hearing what they will say about it > will you share that with me? ty
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I shall ask them........however, I think they already have spoken to me, through YOU! :)
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
OBE enough with the jesus stuff allready..

you make it seem you have a problem with it or something.

not very godlike IMO

leave the bashing to the christians because your starting to make the others look bad if you know what I mean.

just some input from a different perspective. with love.
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Who are your teachers?
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There are many terms for them: Some call them the Brotherhood of Light......some call them the Bird Tribes........I call them the "Hosts of Heaven"! :)
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Can you bind the Pleiades? Can you set a planet in motion, how did they get their motion and from whom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470

There's NOTHING that the 'two of us' can't do, when the 'one of us' is God! :)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Your answer is NO! You not only are not God you do not have relationship with God. If you did, you would not talk as you do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470

I NEVER said I was God........I said I thought it not robber to be equal with God(when one learns how to be aligned with THAT Energy), that is!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe



Sorry, I misunderstood your comment. I agree the Lord will allow us to know what the Lord knows, but not here, it would be too much to bear.
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
OBE enough with the jesus stuff allready..

you make it seem you have a problem with it or something.

not very godlike IMO

leave the bashing to the christians because your starting to make the others look bad if you know what I mean.

just some input from a different perspective. with love.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1105272

Thank you, I'll try to cut back some........but you know how I can't resist a good uncovering of the Truth! :)
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Re: I too think it not robbery to be equal with God!
you must know by now that anything coming out of the mouth of paul has no credibility what so ever.. that being said the christ and the father are one, but unless you are the christ himself then you could never understand what that means..
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you must know by now that anything coming out of the mouth of paul has no credibility what so ever.. that being said the christ and the father are one, but unless you are the christ himself then you could never understand what that means..
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I understand what it means, I am one with God, a Sananda myself, incarnate. Its a status that all who choose eternal life can obtain.

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