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ALERT - FEMA Forces Firefighters to Stand Down in Texas

 
TruthSleuth

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Smells like bullshit to me..FEMA doesn't have anything to do with FIREFIGHTING.

Someone is concocting a bullshit story here.
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Nah...

That's impossible in Conspiracy World...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Well FEMA came today (or yesterday, not exactly sure) to asses the damage. I'm in Austin, by the way. So, since they'll now be paying for a lot of the relief efforts, I wonder if that effects their control of the situation?

Regardless, we need all the firefighters we can get. The massive fire in Bastrop is only 20% contained by this point in time.

And little random fires keep popping up for no reason, even in my neck of the woods - brush fires with no explanation. This event over the weekend is followed up by wildfires from earlier in the summer, too, it's really out of control. My brother's a firefighter, so I plan to pick his brain about all of this later on.
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probly petty arsonists trying to grow fire bigger.
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"Leander fire investigated as arson"
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Nah...

That's impossible in Conspiracy World...
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Well FEMA came today (or yesterday, not exactly sure) to asses the damage. I'm in Austin, by the way. So, since they'll now be paying for a lot of the relief efforts, I wonder if that effects their control of the situation?

Regardless, we need all the firefighters we can get. The massive fire in Bastrop is only 20% contained by this point in time.

And little random fires keep popping up for no reason, even in my neck of the woods - brush fires with no explanation. This event over the weekend is followed up by wildfires from earlier in the summer, too, it's really out of control. My brother's a firefighter, so I plan to pick his brain about all of this later on.
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probly petty arsonists trying to grow fire bigger.
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"Leander fire investigated as arson"
[link to www.statesman.com]
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Give them a trail and then hang them.
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This is misinformation. As somebody who is helping fight these fucking fires (volunteer), FEMA did NOT ask anyone to 'stand down'. The firefighters were exhausted, and needed a few hours of sleep. The OP here needs to get grounded back in reality.
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yeah well dude glp is all about making shit up to fit your agenda. you're right there is ZERO evidence that these fires are not being fought constantly.
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moran brian pls

I could see that county is not that big.

Who is going to house and feed all those volunteers?

They brought equipment, did they bring tents and camping supplies, too?

Are they prepared to rough it out in the wilderness or are they going to need a hot bath and a warm meal and a bed?

Who's going to pay them? They probably have families or bills to pay...maybe that's why they weren't called out to help because someone carries the liability of being responsible for 3 hots and a cot plus pay?

Not many cities can afford that plus gas for their trucks, plus all the things needed to fight the fire and to keep the places that have recently burned from flaring up or sending sparks.

There's so much unknown.
Do we choose the incompetent gov't agency that may have a compentent agency beneath it and funds to pay for their services?

Do we become responsible for a bunch of people who paid a one-way trip to fight a fire and when it's over they are going to need compensation to recover from their lung injury, or physical injury, or to pay for bills they generated thinking they'd make more money while there, or pay for their food and board and once you are responsible for them if they get disgruntled you are fighting two fires...their attitudes and nature.

Just saying..there's a reason this is so.
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This is misinformation. As somebody who is helping fight these fucking fires (volunteer), FEMA did NOT ask anyone to 'stand down'. The firefighters were exhausted, and needed a few hours of sleep. The OP here needs to get grounded back in reality.
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yeah well dude glp is all about making shit up to fit your agenda. you're right there is ZERO evidence that these fires are not being fought constantly.
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


It's a statewide effort and has been for a while now. I'm normally appreciative of conspiracy (open)-minded individuals, but there's a line between SKEPTICISM and ARROGANCE.
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This is misinformation. As somebody who is helping fight these fucking fires (volunteer), FEMA did NOT ask anyone to 'stand down'. The firefighters were exhausted, and needed a few hours of sleep. The OP here needs to get grounded back in reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1023979


yeah well dude glp is all about making shit up to fit your agenda. you're right there is ZERO evidence that these fires are not being fought constantly.
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


No one said that they are not being fought constantly. That is not the issue.
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This is misinformation. As somebody who is helping fight these fucking fires (volunteer), FEMA did NOT ask anyone to 'stand down'. The firefighters were exhausted, and needed a few hours of sleep. The OP here needs to get grounded back in reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1023979


yeah well dude glp is all about making shit up to fit your agenda. you're right there is ZERO evidence that these fires are not being fought constantly.
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


No one said that they are not being fought constantly. That is not the issue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1519119


If you're harping on the so-called "fact" that the danger in Texas is being overstated, or that people are taking efforts to make it more dramatic than it really is... then you are MISSING THE ISSUE COMPLETELY.

This is a sad, big deal here in Texas, and it is unprecedented here (the magnitude, scope). It's interesting to debate about FEMA's involvement, but you're just trying to make some conflict out of nothing.
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Re: ALERT - FEMA Forces Firefighters to Stand Down in Texas
Can't help but wonder about all those 'wilderness' guys who feel they could hunker down in the forest and attack and hide should the SHTF. Or those that have their secret food stash and storage of life goods in the wilderness.

Seems all that's being uncovered.

That old saying, what happens in the dark will soon come to light seems to be what these fires are serving a purpose for.

If some arze-whole is starting these things, then someone needs to feel them out and start a fire under their arze. There's a lot of life in there that can't get out and probably never been exposed to a fire to know to get out, and that jack-arze is responsible for a whole lot more on a cosmic/divine level than they realize or care but Karma is a mo-fo and I'm sending my energy to point him/her/them out and remove him/her/them.

I remember a made for t.v. movie where some California fire used to be started by natural causes and after a while the federal govt got wind that they were being intentinally started and it turned out some arze-whole firefighter was starting them. (maybe got a rush from fighting them - adrenalin is a drug - a natural high).

Cease and desist! There's been enough destruction...destruction is easy...it's time to rebuild and fix what's broken.

Here, here!

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Wow- Texas- thats sad.

Just west of Missoula Montana this happened in 2000.

New Federal Forest Service policy says fires are good. Fires prevent fire- they say. Therfore when a timber company offered to put out the new fire-small fire for free- they were sent home. The Air Force with helicopters to drop water were not allowed to land. What? It might disturb the fish to get water out of the river- large streams- What?

People who put out fires were paid good wages to sit on the side lines. They told me how guilty they felt to get paid to do nothin while we watched the forest burn.

Fires prevent fire. Welcome to the new world.

Ps- The aluminum in the chem - spray makes the fire burn hotter. On my forest the Feds have been setting fires...

its a new day. We got change.
Smokey''s got matches. Doncha know?

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Who is Smoley Bear?

A burned up Smokey. Change is coming. Smell it on the wind?
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Wow- Texas- thats sad.

Just west of Missoula Montana this happened in 2000.

New Federal Forest Service policy says fires are good. Fires prevent fire- they say. Therfore when a timber company offered to put out the new fire-small fire for free- they were sent home. The Air Force with helicopters to drop water were not allowed to land. What? It might disturb the fish to get water out of the river- large streams- What?

People who put out fires were paid good wages to sit on the side lines. They told me how guilty they felt to get paid to do nothin while we watched the forest burn.

Fires prevent fire. Welcome to the new world.

Ps- The aluminum in the chem - spray makes the fire burn hotter. On my forest the Feds have been setting fires...

its a new day. We got change.
Smokey''s got matches. Doncha know?

Read old copies of Range Magazine for more on the war out west.
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Thanks for some truth!
Fireman work turning to fahrenheit 451 out here!
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This is misinformation. As somebody who is helping fight these fucking fires (volunteer), FEMA did NOT ask anyone to 'stand down'. The firefighters were exhausted, and needed a few hours of sleep. The OP here needs to get grounded back in reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1023979


yeah well dude glp is all about making shit up to fit your agenda. you're right there is ZERO evidence that these fires are not being fought constantly.
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


No one said that they are not being fought constantly. That is not the issue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1519119


oh sorry I thought the issue was whether or not the fires were being fought properly and peoples lives and homes were being protected, sorry now I realize the most important thing is politics. of course!
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This is misinformation. As somebody who is helping fight these fucking fires (volunteer), FEMA did NOT ask anyone to 'stand down'. The firefighters were exhausted, and needed a few hours of sleep. The OP here needs to get grounded back in reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1023979


yeah well dude glp is all about making shit up to fit your agenda. you're right there is ZERO evidence that these fires are not being fought constantly.
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


No one said that they are not being fought constantly. That is not the issue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1519119


oh sorry I thought the issue was whether or not the fires were being fought properly and peoples lives and homes were being protected, sorry now I realize the most important thing is politics. of course!
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


The issue is VF being turned away, and who is actually running the show, the State, or the FED.
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yeah well dude glp is all about making shit up to fit your agenda. you're right there is ZERO evidence that these fires are not being fought constantly.
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


No one said that they are not being fought constantly. That is not the issue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1519119


oh sorry I thought the issue was whether or not the fires were being fought properly and peoples lives and homes were being protected, sorry now I realize the most important thing is politics. of course!
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


The issue is VF being turned away, and who is actually running the show, the State, or the FED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1519119


It is obvious the fires are being fought on a constant basis however.
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I believe that one can reasonably assume that his thinking is in line with a majority of Texas voters since they keep electing him. Of course there are individuals like yourself and myself who can find little if anything to agree with him on but we are not representative of the state as a whole.
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Wow, do you really believe, in this day and time, that just because a politician is "elected" into office, it had anything to do with actual, real, taxpaying voters??!!!
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Wow- Texas- thats sad.

Just west of Missoula Montana this happened in 2000.

New Federal Forest Service policy says fires are good. Fires prevent fire- they say. Therfore when a timber company offered to put out the new fire-small fire for free- they were sent home. The Air Force with helicopters to drop water were not allowed to land. What? It might disturb the fish to get water out of the river- large streams- What?

People who put out fires were paid good wages to sit on the side lines. They told me how guilty they felt to get paid to do nothin while we watched the forest burn.

Fires prevent fire. Welcome to the new world.

Ps- The aluminum in the chem - spray makes the fire burn hotter. On my forest the Feds have been setting fires...

its a new day. We got change.
Smokey''s got matches. Doncha know?

Read old copies of Range Magazine for more on the war out west.
 Quoting: Smoley Bears Uncle J 1539089



And given BHO's known bias against Texas, perhaps his minions are busy in Texas . . . as the worst wildfires right now are right around Austin - PERRY COUNTRY!
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FEMA doesn't want any firefighters around when they light off the next round of blazes.
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Smells like bullshit to me..FEMA doesn't have anything to do with FIREFIGHTING.

Someone is concocting a bullshit story here.
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That would be a first for here...
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This is misinformation. As somebody who is helping fight these fucking fires (volunteer), FEMA did NOT ask anyone to 'stand down'. The firefighters were exhausted, and needed a few hours of sleep. The OP here needs to get grounded back in reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1023979


yeah well dude glp is all about making shit up to fit your agenda. you're right there is ZERO evidence that these fires are not being fought constantly.
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


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No one said that they are not being fought constantly. That is not the issue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1519119


oh sorry I thought the issue was whether or not the fires were being fought properly and peoples lives and homes were being protected, sorry now I realize the most important thing is politics. of course!
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


The issue is VF being turned away, and who is actually running the show, the State, or the FED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1519119


It is obvious the fires are being fought on a constant basis however.
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...What is dangerous is not having enough help. Texas has around 860 volunteer departments. Each of those departments is highly trained in wild fires because those type of fires are mostly what Texas gets, especially in rural areas where most of these volunteer departments are. If you sent 3 Men and one truck from each department that is 2580 Men and 860 trucks. I live in a town of 1600 People. We have 8 trucks, and about 30 Men in the department, maybe 37. We could hold our own like most departments with such deployments.

The fires are an 2 hours East of me. Im not leaving Texas, not when my fellows are under threat. There are major fires around Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio, as well as some starting up North of Houston. In East Texas they are now moving into Louisiana and Arkansas.
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Since wildfires are so rampant in Texas why haven't they instituted a requirement like California did DECADES ago where the State can REQUIRE each fire department to send equipment clear across the state to assist.

Those requested assets (in California) are then placed under STATE control (ie: like a quasi State Guard unit) and commanded by a STATE Fire Chief or Assistant Chief (the local department where the fire is occuring does NOT control the assets from the many departments that are brought in from around the state).

California which suffers yearly from forest fires has honed this system of bringing in equipment and trained people into a very very efficient system ... and they can deploy vast amounts of hard assets (trucks, aircraft etc.) and huge numbers of trained people very quickly to virtually anywhere in the state. (It has also led to unified communications systems so any truck or person showing up has radios that work with ANY other department that is also being brought in ... a HUGE problem in my state when various departments are brought together to fight a big fire)

Maybe Texan's independent mindset streak keeps them from being organized in the same way the California is for fighting HUGE fires even though Texas gets them regularly also?
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Good post. But, we're liberal out here. We do Regulations better than most. This is one time it's very, very good.

I do wonder if it's that every house is worth a whole lot of money as opposed to rural farm areas. To be fair, we're also Capitalists.

Lived in LA County near Hacienda Heights when the flames crested the hill and had only downhill to go. Damn scary and feeling helpless with Santa Ana winds, dry trees and underbrush and lots of houses. There was no end to the help we had. But you also better damn do what they told you to do or they'd arrest your ass. Yes sir/maam. This was our local/state guys. They answer for your safety, not your "right to dissent" or be an idiot.

Same with our earthquakes, they Red Tag your house no matter how much it is worth, you do not go in until they say you can or they will escort you out one way or the other.

And the same is true if you have a police matter ... duh folks ... it's the Local's Right, then the State's Right until they call in the Feds. Then, they have to check their egos and step back. It's called Pecking Order. FEMA, my ass.

Nobody has ever watched crime shows when the locals call in the Feds?
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yeah well dude glp is all about making shit up to fit your agenda. you're right there is ZERO evidence that these fires are not being fought constantly.
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


No one said that they are not being fought constantly. That is not the issue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1519119


oh sorry I thought the issue was whether or not the fires were being fought properly and peoples lives and homes were being protected, sorry now I realize the most important thing is politics. of course!
 Quoting: Z of Tejas


The issue is VF being turned away, and who is actually running the show, the State, or the FED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1519119



There is no issue at all. It's called Pecking Order that is common even to a barnyard. The Locals call in the State, the State calls in the Fed. Also, it's a lot about ... who pays. Back to the beginning.

If you have a police disturbance in your town, your local PD is paid to protect. If it goes beyond that and have to call in the State or the Feds or the National Guard, they take control because they are trained to do so and authorize The Team.

If you're a volunteer with a day job, your taining is not known so likely take your gun home. If you're local or state, they have to authorize you to be part of the team.
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Re: ALERT - FEMA Forces Firefighters to Stand Down in Texas
I just heard on Fox that they also stopped the planes that weere brining water. Pulled the contract and now 60 people have no job.
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They should get into the building trades so they can help rebuild the houses.

Oh wait .... can't rebuild sans new permits. Nothing left but to sell the cellar holes to FEMA-MA for cheap. Perry. These cocksuckers seem to run in packs. In my humble guestamation of course.
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I put up a video of the aftermath of the bastrop fire if you're interested.
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I put up a video of the aftermath of the bastrop fire if you're interested.
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