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Effects of Fake Pot (Spice, K2) and Zombies

 
CrimsonBleu

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I have been sitting here for the last several hours contemplating the K2, Spice thing going on with pot smokers who are trying to avoid the ramifications of smoking the real deal. And my head hurts thinking about this. But here is what my gut is saying and this is based on watching very lovely people I know go from casual pot smokers to Spice fans.

There is something sinister about the fake pot scene. No one can put a finger on its chemical concoctions. There are no 'long-term" studies to offer evidence of safety or non-safety. Seems like the JWH, used as the prefix for numbers of chemicals that John Huffman created when he discovered them in the 90's, is nothing more than his own initials, and the sequence of numbers are assigned accordingly to his 'discoveries". So, just what the hell IS JWH - 018 and so on? Why the mystery?

I think because, if we really knew, we wouldn't want to know. Know what I mean?

I smoked for years when I was younger, and can appreciate the fine benefits of natural God-grown weed. But you'd have to beat me into submission to allow the smoke from Spice, or K2 or Genie, or whatever they call it to get into my lungs! I smoke cigarettes and feel ok with that, but this fake pot stuff is suspicious as hell.

I watch people I know smoke it and notice alarming changes in them. It seems as though they regress, their intellect drops to less than their shoe size. Everything is as if they are back in a child-like state. Sure, that must feel all warm and fuzzy to them, but to outsiders observing, it is quite unappealing and could pose serious problems from character judgments. Simply put, you are act stupider than you think, so you better just stay home if you want to smoke the stuff. Really.

And please don't tell me that it's not addictive. (I know pot isn't for sure). When you run out of Spice, you run out the door and spend your last ten bucks to get it and hope you get home on the fumes in your gas tank.

Here is another thought you might want to 'chew' on: Zombies. We all have noticed a great pre-occupation and interest in Zombies and a potential Zombie apocalypse in the last few years, right? Even the CDC has made a satirical article on the matter! Well, think about this: Those unidentifiable chemicals in fake pot just might lead to that sort of brain condition. No one knows what the long-term effects of them are. Just like mad-cow disease; no one knew until the symptoms appeared. And then it was too late.

Spice smokers very well could be the for-runners of the Zombie Apocalypse. In essence, they'd be creating the very thing they feared. Ever hear; "What you fear, you revere"? Chew on that awhile.
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So what is your experince with fake pot? Just curious....
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paranoia. panic. increased heart rate. no euphoria. never again.
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Real deal for me only, dont need no articficial smoke
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so weird that you said that, but i too had zombie popping into my head about the stuff. it is very addictive, i've done it. it feels like it has whatever is in the salvia extract in it somehow too, same chemical or something. it feels like something is in your body, unless you stop and exercise a lot and sweat. it gets out of my body that way but it is mentally hard and taxing, very taxing on the body. the place that sells it, sells to cops, and lots of govt employees, not just rift raft. but yeah, zombie popped into my head first done it.
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I tried a couple times. I didn't notice any adverse affects, but a buddy thought his heart was going to explode, it was beating so hard. I won't ever do it again.

Good thread, by the way.

Last Edited by Sleeping Giant on 09/08/2011 10:28 AM
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CrimsonBleu  (OP)

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so weird that you said that, but i too had zombie popping into my head about the stuff. it is very addictive, i've done it. it feels like it has whatever is in the salvia extract in it somehow too, same chemical or something. it feels like something is in your body, unless you stop and exercise a lot and sweat. it gets out of my body that way but it is mentally hard and taxing, very taxing on the body. the place that sells it, sells to cops, and lots of govt employees, not just rift raft. but yeah, zombie popped into my head first done it.
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You are the first person I have seen that admitted that. I think lots of people actually think it, but don't make any connections.
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put me in the hospital. severe hallucinations. it literally felt like there was an evil force trying to take me.

the picture on top of the cap showed the pyramid with the eye and a skull. had some other things to on it but thats what caught my eye

the stuff is the devils weed. something really strange about it
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I have tried many research cannabinoids, and enjoyed all of them immensely. AM-2201 was a bit hairy if you had too much...
Caution and common sense is advised.

CP-47497 was my favorite. Followed by JW-122.
It's all "banned" here now so I just gave them up cold turkey, had a bit of typical withdrawal (funny stomach, sweats, sleepless) for a week or so but nothing to hang the cat over.

I've had worse "reactions" from potent cannabis strains, personally.
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I smoked it for a few months last winter.

It was ok, but my boyfriend and I definitely preferred real pot over the spice shit.

The main thing I noticed when I smoked the fake stuff was I would get really "dumb." Dumb as in forgetting lots of stuff I was supposed to bring with me when I leave for the day. Or missing my turn or exit if I was traveling somewhere. It definitely makes you really spacey.

I won't touch it anymore. I wasn't too keen on putting those chemicals in my lungs at the time, and now I just refuse to put anymore into my body. I like to stay natural.
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i think it opens up some kind of portal in your brain that allows evil entities in
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put me in the hospital. severe hallucinations. it literally felt like there was an evil force trying to take me.

the picture on top of the cap showed the pyramid with the eye and a skull. had some other things to on it but thats what caught my eye

the stuff is the devils weed. something really strange about it
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It put someone very near and dear to me in the hospital too. Severe vomitting, hallucinations and a change in personality that was likened to poseesion. When he straighted up the next day, he said he felt like something had taken over his mind. He told me when he was trying to hit me that he was trying to tell me he loved me, but every time he did, he just swug and mumbled garbled stuff that was not words. I cou;d tell it wasn't him.
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Judging by some of these replies I'd say a few of you really shouldn't smoke anything.
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put me in the hospital. severe hallucinations. it literally felt like there was an evil force trying to take me.

the picture on top of the cap showed the pyramid with the eye and a skull. had some other things to on it but thats what caught my eye

the stuff is the devils weed. something really strange about it
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It put someone very near and dear to me in the hospital too. Severe vomitting, hallucinations and a change in personality that was likened to poseesion. When he straighted up the next day, he said he felt like something had taken over his mind. He told me when he was trying to hit me that he was trying to tell me he loved me, but every time he did, he just swug and mumbled garbled stuff that was not words. I cou;d tell it wasn't him.
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it's called psychosis
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Judging by some of these replies I'd say a few of you really shouldn't smoke anything.
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except your mom of course, smoke her that is
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I smoked it for a few months last winter.

It was ok, but my boyfriend and I definitely preferred real pot over the spice shit.

The main thing I noticed when I smoked the fake stuff was I would get really "dumb." Dumb as in forgetting lots of stuff I was supposed to bring with me when I leave for the day. Or missing my turn or exit if I was traveling somewhere. It definitely makes you really spacey.

I won't touch it anymore. I wasn't too keen on putting those chemicals in my lungs at the time, and now I just refuse to put anymore into my body. I like to stay natural.
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Yes, the 'dumb' part. That is what I meant when I said the intellect dropped... that in itself is really disturbing.

But the person smoking the stuff doesn't see what an outsider sees. They think it's all cool, and fun. But an outsider wonders what the hell, what an idiot.
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Judging by some of these replies I'd say a few of you really shouldn't smoke anything.
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except your mom of course, smoke her that is
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Portal
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Judging by some of these replies I'd say a few of you really shouldn't smoke anything.
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except your mom of course, smoke her that is
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Portal
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yeah, through her portal - where u emerged from
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Honestly, youre a fucking noob.

Spice is like 0.0001% of a 'zombifying' drug compared to the big boys, heroin, crack, oxycodone, meth.. do you honestly think people are running out the door to get their SPICE? Man you must be fucking naive. They sell that shit legally at gas stations, do you know what ppl gotta do to get their hands on their actual drugs? The high from spice is like a synthetic pot high, again, not zombifying.. look at a motherfucker who just shot up several grams of heroin THAT is a Zombie, look at a walking corpse who's been on a non-stop meth binge for 3 weeks now thats a motherfucking zombie.

But... that shit DOES suck.. I smoke pot everyday, Ive tried every drug even the bad ones.. I tried smoking a fake-pot called "barely Legal", I took prob about 5-6 hits, it says no more than 1 or 2 on the package but you know how smokers are, so I did it.. and I almost became BLIND.. I experienced a sickness like no other, it was like a bad acid trip coupled with having a stroke.. my eyes didnt work and if I tried to "see" I would vomit uncontrollably, so I kept my eyes shut and sat there waiting for the effects to go away, I can't express what I felt, but I really felt like I was gonna die.. and keep in mind I wasnt a drug noob by any means, I never thought I would say "I thought i was gonna die" from ingesting any drug.. so who knows what dat shit is
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Honestly, youre a fucking noob.

Spice is like 0.0001% of a 'zombifying' drug compared to the big boys, heroin, crack, oxycodone, meth.. do you honestly think people are running out the door to get their SPICE? Man you must be fucking naive. They sell that shit legally at gas stations, do you know what ppl gotta do to get their hands on their actual drugs? The high from spice is like a synthetic pot high, again, not zombifying.. look at a motherfucker who just shot up several grams of heroin THAT is a Zombie, look at a walking corpse who's been on a non-stop meth binge for 3 weeks now thats a motherfucking zombie.

But... that shit DOES suck.. I smoke pot everyday, Ive tried every drug even the bad ones.. I tried smoking a fake-pot called "barely Legal", I took prob about 5-6 hits, it says no more than 1 or 2 on the package but you know how smokers are, so I did it.. and I almost became BLIND.. I experienced a sickness like no other, it was like a bad acid trip coupled with having a stroke.. my eyes didnt work and if I tried to "see" I would vomit uncontrollably, so I kept my eyes shut and sat there waiting for the effects to go away, I can't express what I felt, but I really felt like I was gonna die.. and keep in mind I wasnt a drug noob by any means, I never thought I would say "I thought i was gonna die" from ingesting any drug.. so who knows what dat shit is
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Honestly, youre a fucking noob.

Spice is like 0.0001% of a 'zombifying' drug compared to the big boys, heroin, crack, oxycodone, meth.. do you honestly think people are running out the door to get their SPICE? Man you must be fucking naive. They sell that shit legally at gas stations, do you know what ppl gotta do to get their hands on their actual drugs? The high from spice is like a synthetic pot high, again, not zombifying.. look at a motherfucker who just shot up several grams of heroin THAT is a Zombie, look at a walking corpse who's been on a non-stop meth binge for 3 weeks now thats a motherfucking zombie.

But... that shit DOES suck.. I smoke pot everyday, Ive tried every drug even the bad ones.. I tried smoking a fake-pot called "barely Legal", I took prob about 5-6 hits, it says no more than 1 or 2 on the package but you know how smokers are, so I did it.. and I almost became BLIND.. I experienced a sickness like no other, it was like a bad acid trip coupled with having a stroke.. my eyes didnt work and if I tried to "see" I would vomit uncontrollably, so I kept my eyes shut and sat there waiting for the effects to go away, I can't express what I felt, but I really felt like I was gonna die.. and keep in mind I wasnt a drug noob by any means, I never thought I would say "I thought i was gonna die" from ingesting any drug.. so who knows what dat shit is
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No dude, NOT noob. And you missed the point I was trying to make! I am concerned about the long term effects on the brain, not what it does in the present day like what other drugs do. Long-term. Brain erosion. Mind deleting. That is what I meant. And no, I am no noob. I am well familiar with the drug scene.

Sorry you had such a bad experience, I hope you stay clear of the crap now for your sake. But this is exactly what people who think the shit is all warm and fuzzy and cool and fun need to see... so thanks for posting that.
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I'm curious about all the different types that people are supposedly having bad experiences with.

I'm also curious if these people are actually smoking salvia when they think they're smoking spice.

I've smoked several different kinds of spice and noticed no "adverse" side effects. yes, it consists of chemicals, but so do cigarettes, and so do the lighters that people use to smoke anything.
For me, the effects are similar to smoking regular pot, just not as intense, nor as long-lasting. I didn't get "dumber" nor did I have anyone notice anything different about me.

It seems to me like a lot of the stories are either exaggeration or just plain made up.
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That's just 'it' John Evertard, no one really knows what is in the herbs. In my research this morning, I found articles that mentioned the ingrediants are often changed, but not indicated to what on the packaging. And most people really don't seem to look anyway once they buy it once or twice...
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So what is your experince with fake pot? Just curious....
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It really depends on the kind you get. I've had some real HORSE SHIT spice, but I've also had spice that is every bit as good as weed...that's right.

This stuff called Super Green is killer. It is a body high that's almost exactly like weed. The difference is, it's not enjoyable to smoke. However, you only need to take 2 or 3 good puffs and you're good for about 3 hours.
I usually just mix it with a black and mild and smoke that.

Every other incence I've tried sucks asshole. Harsh to smoke, and no real effects.

Plain and simple, nothing really compares to actual WEED. But, if you have to pass a drug test, incense can help out. As for the addiction factor, I've had no problems with it whatsoever.
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That's just 'it' John Evertard, no one really knows what is in the herbs. In my research this morning, I found articles that mentioned the ingrediants are often changed, but not indicated to what on the packaging. And most people really don't seem to look anyway once they buy it once or twice...
 Quoting: CrimsonBleu


That would really be the only put-off for me. Not knowing the long term effects and not knowing what's in what you're smoking.

None of which you have to worry about with marijuana.
Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.
-Bill Hicks
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I'm curious about all the different types that people are supposedly having bad experiences with.

I'm also curious if these people are actually smoking salvia when they think they're smoking spice.

I've smoked several different kinds of spice and noticed no "adverse" side effects. yes, it consists of chemicals, but so do cigarettes, and so do the lighters that people use to smoke anything.
For me, the effects are similar to smoking regular pot, just not as intense, nor as long-lasting. I didn't get "dumber" nor did I have anyone notice anything different about me.

It seems to me like a lot of the stories are either exaggeration or just plain made up.
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the ones with salvia make me hurl in 5 minutes flat

stuff like comatose candy is pretty mild and actually taking a couple of puffs of it throughout the day has allowed me to go down from smoking a full pack of cigs to a half

i don't want to smoke anything but pot, but hey

a day at a time
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So what is your experince with fake pot? Just curious....
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Why the fuck would anyone want to smoke fake pot?

The reason you all like pot so much in the first place is that our brains are intrinsically wired to react to THC. It serves a specific purpose and that is to have the left and right side of your brain communicate more effectively with each other.

Seriously, the people who smoke fake pot would smoke heroin etc just to get high off it right? I mean, they smoke fake pot to get high?? Or what? Stupid, stupid...


Such a beautiful god given plant...why the hell...would anyone even want to smoke fake pot, unless they only care to get woozy in the head...:S
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I personally tried 2 types. first the one called "kush" and then I was bored one day and went to get some "kush" they were out of it the day before the ban. and the guy at the head shop suggested another brand called " cloud 9" i took this "cloud 9" over to a friends house and we rolled a joint from it. and smoked about half. within 10 minutes i felt very ill and so did my friend. we both were layed out on the couch unable to breath right and feeling complete crap. worst thing i ever put into my body and i will never touch any of this crap again. something is not right about it.
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I agree with you op, I found it extremely addictive
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I agree with you op, I found it extremely addictive
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Some people swear it is not, but I can see things differently. Now mind you, I haev never, and will never smoke any type of this fake crap--never. But I see people around me doing it and it's a bad day for them when they are low or out.
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Somehow I am inclined to think and feel there is an experiement going on and there's alot of volunteer guinea pigs...





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