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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1351486 United States 09/11/2011 10:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The beauty of this technique is anyone can do it using just a telescope, a safe full aperture solar filter, a camera that can hook up to the telescope, and a clock. You don't even need a tracking system, let alone a GOTO system. It's extremely easy to duplicate, and I'll be able to repeat this test later on as well when we enter the next season of "the sun is too far south." Quoting: Astromut Hey astronut, quick question here, sorta on topic and you do seem to be the resident expert!...What is the least expensive telescope one can purchase that you would not be bored of, and wish you bought a better one in a few months time? I am in the market, have been forever, but it seems I get such conflicting information on what is good I just never get around to purchasing anything. So, if you could inform me, maybe others as well, on a good model and price range for a useful telescope, I would be very appreciative! Thank You I am moving(somewhere) soon, so once I get settled I want to begin my night sky studies. I figure I can start looking out for any sales now. Thanks again... What do you want to see and do with the scope? How comfortable are you at navigating the sky? That question is a bit tricky, naturally I would like to see and do it all, but finances are tight. As far as navigating the sky, never have, but I am perfectly comfortable with it...lol...but yes, I think with my friend the internet I can learn enough for my purposes. Let me put it this way, is it worth buying a telescope in the $200-300 range, or would it be best to wait until one could afford a bigger scope? Thanks again |
Astromut (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 09/11/2011 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The beauty of this technique is anyone can do it using just a telescope, a safe full aperture solar filter, a camera that can hook up to the telescope, and a clock. You don't even need a tracking system, let alone a GOTO system. It's extremely easy to duplicate, and I'll be able to repeat this test later on as well when we enter the next season of "the sun is too far south." Quoting: Astromut Hey astronut, quick question here, sorta on topic and you do seem to be the resident expert!...What is the least expensive telescope one can purchase that you would not be bored of, and wish you bought a better one in a few months time? I am in the market, have been forever, but it seems I get such conflicting information on what is good I just never get around to purchasing anything. So, if you could inform me, maybe others as well, on a good model and price range for a useful telescope, I would be very appreciative! Thank You I am moving(somewhere) soon, so once I get settled I want to begin my night sky studies. I figure I can start looking out for any sales now. Thanks again... What do you want to see and do with the scope? How comfortable are you at navigating the sky? That question is a bit tricky, naturally I would like to see and do it all, but finances are tight. As far as navigating the sky, never have, but I am perfectly comfortable with it...lol...but yes, I think with my friend the internet I can learn enough for my purposes. Let me put it this way, is it worth buying a telescope in the $200-300 range, or would it be best to wait until one could afford a bigger scope? Thanks again That price range is a bit tricky when your sights are set on something that you won't want to supplant with something else in the near future. Honestly your best option at that point would be a good used scope or make your own ATM scope. This is the only one I could comfortably recommend given what you're hoping to achieve at that range: [link to www.optcorp.com] You'll have to learn how to star hop, which is a very good thing to learn, but with a dobsonian like that and no tracking I'd be more comfortable recommending at least the 8" version, which is about $50 more. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1351486 United States 09/11/2011 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: exiled1 Hey astronut, quick question here, sorta on topic and you do seem to be the resident expert!...What is the least expensive telescope one can purchase that you would not be bored of, and wish you bought a better one in a few months time? I am in the market, have been forever, but it seems I get such conflicting information on what is good I just never get around to purchasing anything. So, if you could inform me, maybe others as well, on a good model and price range for a useful telescope, I would be very appreciative! Thank You I am moving(somewhere) soon, so once I get settled I want to begin my night sky studies. I figure I can start looking out for any sales now. Thanks again... What do you want to see and do with the scope? How comfortable are you at navigating the sky? That question is a bit tricky, naturally I would like to see and do it all, but finances are tight. As far as navigating the sky, never have, but I am perfectly comfortable with it...lol...but yes, I think with my friend the internet I can learn enough for my purposes. Let me put it this way, is it worth buying a telescope in the $200-300 range, or would it be best to wait until one could afford a bigger scope? Thanks again That price range is a bit tricky when your sights are set on something that you won't want to supplant with something else in the near future. Honestly your best option at that point would be a good used scope or make your own ATM scope. This is the only one I could comfortably recommend given what you're hoping to achieve at that range: [link to www.optcorp.com] You'll have to learn how to star hop, which is a very good thing to learn, but with a dobsonian like that and no tracking I'd be more comfortable recommending at least the 8" version, which is about $50 more. Thanks for the information, I did think about checking out the used market, but being a novice i have no idea what to look for, or what to look out for... -And the limited experience I have had with things like craigslist lead me to believe the world is full of assclowns just trying to rip you off... I have that page bookmarked(as well as the 8" on that site) and will be looking into it. Thanks again |
Astromut (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 09/12/2011 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the information, I did think about checking out the used market, but being a novice i have no idea what to look for, or what to look out for... -And the limited experience I have had with things like craigslist lead me to believe the world is full of assclowns just trying to rip you off... Quoting: exiled1 I have that page bookmarked(as well as the 8" on that site) and will be looking into it. Thanks again I wouldn't trust craplist for telescopes either. I've used this site a few times for used equipment and have always had a good experience. YMMV of course, but in general you're better off here than at craplist: [link to www.astromart.com] The sucky thing is that they went to a paid account system, so it's no longer free to sign up. Back in the day it was completely free. My advice is to look for a reflector, at your price point probably a newtonian of some sort, whether on a dobsonian or equatorial mount. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1546134 United States 09/12/2011 06:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This year has produced more reports of the sun being in the "wrong place" in the sky than I can remember from previous years, so I wanted to develop a simple technique for accurately and objectively measuring the sun's position in the sky to a much greater resolution than is possible with the human eye, without even having to rely on my telescope's built-in permanently-encoded computer. To that end, this afternoon I setup my telescope to view the sun and measure its position with astrometric precision without even using GOTO technology. Quoting: Astromut Of course, you can't see background stars with the sun in the same field of view, so how do you perform astrometry of the sun itself? Simple, let the earth's rotation do the work. I simply pointed the telescope at the setting sun (with a safe full-aperture solar filter attached, of course) and started recording video. Moments later, right as a tree top started encroaching on the view, I disengaged the tracking system altogether and noted the time, so at this point the telescope was motionless and the sun started moving out of the field of view as the earth rotated. Then it was just a matter of waiting. Waiting 2 hours 37 minutes, as a matter of fact. I had disengaged the tracking at 6:41:45 PM eastern time, and this was the corresponding frame of the video, showing the limb of the sun that would later be used to determine its exact position: [link to i319.photobucket.com] After the sun set enough that it was safe, I removed the solar filter and waited. At 9:19:21 PM eastern time, a series of fairly bright stars streaked into the field of view, producing this image: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Directly merging the two images with 50% opacity allows me to determine with exact precision whether or not the sun was where it should have been in the sky. Overlaying the merged image onto Stellarium set to the exact same points in time at my location shows definitively that the sun was exactly where it should have been, at RA: 11h 15m 24s DEC: +4d 47' 26". [link to i319.photobucket.com] The full 2+ hour video from sunset to the above star streak image will be uploaded in a little while, as soon as the video file is done compressing to a reasonable size from the 2+ Gigabyte original file. Your thread and post is really fucking stupid.. Glad you know how to edit pictures and make animated GIFs, but this is all very stupid. In fact it is so stupid that i'll bet you 100 dollars that the answer to 2+2 is the same as it was just yesterday.. The SUN.. Is exactly where it should be, like everything else, but is not exactly in it's normally relative spot. Just face the facts, many of us are crazy, or we were zapped a with memory hit, or there was a timeline shift, or the earth titled or something else happened to another/other celestial bodies. One of those is correct, but i will not argue with you that something is or isn't where it "should be". |
2Crazy4U User ID: 1528294 Venezuela 09/12/2011 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This year has produced more reports of the sun being in the "wrong place" in the sky than I can remember from previous years, so I wanted to develop a simple technique for accurately and objectively measuring the sun's position in the sky to a much greater resolution than is possible with the human eye, without even having to rely on my telescope's built-in permanently-encoded computer. To that end, this afternoon I setup my telescope to view the sun and measure its position with astrometric precision without even using GOTO technology. Quoting: Astromut Of course, you can't see background stars with the sun in the same field of view, so how do you perform astrometry of the sun itself? Simple, let the earth's rotation do the work. I simply pointed the telescope at the setting sun (with a safe full-aperture solar filter attached, of course) and started recording video. Moments later, right as a tree top started encroaching on the view, I disengaged the tracking system altogether and noted the time, so at this point the telescope was motionless and the sun started moving out of the field of view as the earth rotated. Then it was just a matter of waiting. Waiting 2 hours 37 minutes, as a matter of fact. I had disengaged the tracking at 6:41:45 PM eastern time, and this was the corresponding frame of the video, showing the limb of the sun that would later be used to determine its exact position: [link to i319.photobucket.com] After the sun set enough that it was safe, I removed the solar filter and waited. At 9:19:21 PM eastern time, a series of fairly bright stars streaked into the field of view, producing this image: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Directly merging the two images with 50% opacity allows me to determine with exact precision whether or not the sun was where it should have been in the sky. Overlaying the merged image onto Stellarium set to the exact same points in time at my location shows definitively that the sun was exactly where it should have been, at RA: 11h 15m 24s DEC: +4d 47' 26". [link to i319.photobucket.com] The full 2+ hour video from sunset to the above star streak image will be uploaded in a little while, as soon as the video file is done compressing to a reasonable size from the 2+ Gigabyte original file. Your thread and post is really fucking stupid.. Glad you know how to edit pictures and make animated GIFs, but this is all very stupid. In fact it is so stupid that i'll bet you 100 dollars that the answer to 2+2 is the same as it was just yesterday.. The SUN.. Is exactly where it should be, like everything else, but is not exactly in it's normally relative spot. Just face the facts, many of us are crazy, or we were zapped a with memory hit, or there was a timeline shift, or the earth titled or something else happened to another/other celestial bodies. One of those is correct, but i will not argue with you that something is or isn't where it "should be". Why the hate? Calm down boy, you are going to have a stroke. Life its not measure by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that take your breath away. |
Astromut (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1546294 United States 09/12/2011 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your thread and post is really fucking stupid.. Glad you know how to edit pictures and make animated GIFs, but this is all very stupid. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1546134 In fact it is so stupid that i'll bet you 100 dollars that the answer to 2+2 is the same as it was just yesterday.. The SUN.. Is exactly where it should be, like everything else, but is not exactly in it's normally relative spot. Just face the facts, many of us are crazy, or we were zapped a with memory hit, or there was a timeline shift, or the earth titled or something else happened to another/other celestial bodies. One of those is correct, but i will not argue with you that something is or isn't where it "should be". Why the hate? Calm down boy, you are going to have a stroke. He has brain envy. |
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2Crazy4U User ID: 1528294 Venezuela 09/12/2011 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your thread and post is really fucking stupid.. Glad you know how to edit pictures and make animated GIFs, but this is all very stupid. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1546134 In fact it is so stupid that i'll bet you 100 dollars that the answer to 2+2 is the same as it was just yesterday.. The SUN.. Is exactly where it should be, like everything else, but is not exactly in it's normally relative spot. Just face the facts, many of us are crazy, or we were zapped a with memory hit, or there was a timeline shift, or the earth titled or something else happened to another/other celestial bodies. One of those is correct, but i will not argue with you that something is or isn't where it "should be". Why the hate? Calm down boy, you are going to have a stroke. He has brain envy. Thats probably true Astromut.. Life its not measure by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that take your breath away. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4274326 Malaysia 11/17/2011 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone here and on any other threads talking about sun and moon rising in wrong places. YOU ARE RIGHT. However from your viewpoint, which means that there has been a substantial change in the atmosphere, and the sun-moon light is getting refracted differently from previous years or your lifetime. This does not mean that sun and moon have changed their positions. But there has been a shift in the atmosphere over the last couple of years. I am not sure what is causing it, but it is happening globally. |