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Sumarian tablets VS. The Holy Bible

 
HI.Lander

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2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1291973




Are you suggesting that He didn't do what He said He would do?





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Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051

Just pointing out that God lied according to the bible. Your points have been invalidated by your own book.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1291973


You continously take things out of context, you are a biblically ognorant fool who cannot be taken seriously by anyone who has actually studied the bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547395


Out of context, huh. Here's a funny little video about that.



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Again, you are an ignorant fool. Get back to me when you actually know your subject.
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Now i'm gonna work on the similarities of lord anu and the god of the OT.
 Quoting: Aiyanna


I have been researching this for years the sumerian tablets follow genesis to the T
 Quoting: ducati60


i think you have it wrong the bible follows the tablets 'there older
 Quoting: biassist


Let's say your belief is right there (which it is not yeahsure ) the Bible goes on to say the Messiah would come AND gives the exact year he would arrive.(Daniel 9:24-26), Also from the OT book of Daniel are the empires that would rule the earth from the time of Babylon until Rome, written 600 years before Rome ever existed. The Roman Church is then found in Revelation before it ever existed.

The fact is nothing confirms the Sumer tablets. They are a fictional pagan account of the true biblical record compiled by Moses from tablets or some record handed down from the very time of Adam.(Wiseman Theory) Most who quote this Sumer tablet nonsense have no original sources and jumble up translations with Sitchen's fringe interpretation. They have no original source documents for the proper translation and do not even know what it says.

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The same critics use to also claim Babylon never existed, the only record of the empire was in the Bible. Then it was unearthed in Iraq.
Aiyanna (OP)

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Again, you are an ignorant fool. Get back to me when you actually know your subject.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547395

The IQ differences are statistically significant, as much as 11 points. Basically, in order to go against our natural behaviors we would need to have a higher intelligence and are more evolved than those that believe in superstitions (Most commonly associated with Republicans/Christians).

Adolescents who stated they were atheist had an averaged IQ of 103 compared to adults that stated they were religious had an averaged IQ of 97.

Now, i'm not stating that i'm atheist, because that just gets you in trouble around here. But considering that the sumarian tablets are older then the bible, that just show's the bible is in fact a generic religion. Whos the ignorant fool.........yeahsure

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when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

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You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
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Aiyanna (OP)

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2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1291973




Are you suggesting that He didn't do what He said He would do?





.)
Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051

Just pointing out that God lied according to the bible. Your points have been invalidated by your own book.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1291973


You continously take things out of context, you are a biblically ognorant fool who cannot be taken seriously by anyone who has actually studied the bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547395


Out of context, huh. Here's a funny little video about that.


 Quoting: HI.Lander


That was the best 6 minetes i have ever spent watching a video! Thank you for that, down to the point and SO TRUE. good karma for you! hf
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
Aiyanna (OP)

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For all of you calling me an Ignorant fool, I laugh at you. You have nothing to say other then to attack me personally, Go ahead. Its not helping that poor pathetic excuse for a historical document we call the bible..so go ahead. yeahsure

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Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
Aiyanna (OP)

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to the bibletards that have invaded this thread

the bible says our earth is flat, proven false

sumerian tablets go into full detail of all planets in our solar system

sumerians +1 bibletards -1

there are other things but i rather not go into it

you bibletards plagiarize ancient historic text from sumeria and egypt and can't even get it right

you gay
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547309


clappa

bibletards are afraid they will lose their source of $$$, they spent years brainwashing people

my preacher is peeing in his pants
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547314


bump
Agree'd!!!
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
Philadelphian

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Our modern technology has proved the Bible wrong. That means that if there is a God, he didn't write the Bible and the Bible is not his word. If the Bible were the word of God and the Bible is wrong, then God is wrong. And if God can't be wrong, then the Bible, which is wrong, can't be the word of God.
 Quoting: Aiyanna


The Bible Says... and It Is So.

Bible says ...
God created man, the Earth and universe. And this is what is found. Man has always been man. There is no proof of the subhuman cavemen claimed by many who reject God.

Bible says ...
God caused a great global flood to come upon the Earth killing everything on land except eight people including Noah and many animals who survived aboard a ship designed by God called the Ark. And this is what is found. Sedimentary layers cover the Earth containing the fossils of all that were killed in the global flood about 4350 years ago. Textbooks and all of science admit these sediment layers theorizing a meteor struck the Earth, and it may have. Noah's Ark has been found by amature biblical archaeologist Ron Wyatt.

Bible says ...
After the flood Noah's great-grandson Nimrod founded Babylon a kingdom that included Sumeria. And this is what is found. Archaeologists have found his name on many inscriptions and tablets in the excavated city of Babylon.

Bible says ...
The tribes of Israel came out of Egyptian slavery and settled Palestine and Judea. And this is what is found. The exodus route, Red Sea crossing location, the real Mount Sinai and surrounding artifacts have all been found by Ron Wyatt. Many cities built by the Jewish people remain today, including Jerusalem.

Bible says ...
God came to Earth as a man, Jesus. And this is what is found. First and second century historians and witnesses record the life and times of Jesus and Christian converts.

Bible says ...
There will be four kingdoms on Earth from the time of Daniel in Babylon until the end when Jesus returns, written by Daniel at that time. As yet this is what has been. These kingdoms have been: Babylon, Persia, Greek and the Roman Empire which still rules today.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547099


Jerusalem was built by the Jebusites, long before there was a "jewish". Abraham gave a tithe to God Melchezidec there long before there was an israel. It was called Salem then.
Daniel's Seventieth Seven
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For all of you calling me an Ignorant fool, I laugh at you. You have nothing to say other then to attack me personally, Go ahead. Its not helping that poor pathetic excuse for a historical document we call the bible..so go ahead.


 Quoting: Aiyanna



lol

Go ahead OP ....


That was a guess you "tard"
 Quoting: Aiyanna





:)
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The Sumarian tablets, the Bible, the Koran, the Bhagavadgītā, etc. are all talking about the same thing.
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Abraham, father of Isaac and Ishmael, was from the lands of Sumer. He was a Sumeritan when God called him to move.
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Your title is like: Sugar added black water VS Coca-cola
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So reading through 3 pages of responces and it is not hard to see that the bible people and the people who follow religions have invaded,

1. the bible did say the earth used to be flat check out bibles from the 15 century.

2. The church suppressed the fact that the earth revolved around the sun for over 250 years, why do you think all the great people of that time from da vinci to angelo had to operate in secret.

3.I wont get into any more details but if we must I will debate this because I am one of those people who after work I take the time to read sacred geometry and read sumerian 'mythical' books, IT IS A FACT THAT SUMERIA, LEMURIA, GONDWANALAND and ATLANTIS all had EBE contact, where else did they figure out that SACRED GEOMETRY CREATED THE UNIVERSE.

IF NEED BE I WILL DEBATE THIS WITH THE SHEEPLE.
 Quoting: 6Gunfanatic-Foodhoarder7


It was some African scientist who claimed the Earth was flat and went on the Church payroll.

Show me the ruins of atlantis. You should know after so many years of study.
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For all of you calling me an Ignorant fool, I laugh at you. You have nothing to say other then to attack me personally, Go ahead. Its not helping that poor pathetic excuse for a historical document we call the bible..so go ahead. yeahsure

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I presume you are reading an English translation of the Tablets, so how do you know what the original stones said when you do not speak sumerian.

Secondly, do you trust the translation ?.

Thanks.
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Aiyanna (OP)

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For all of you calling me an Ignorant fool, I laugh at you. You have nothing to say other then to attack me personally, Go ahead. Its not helping that poor pathetic excuse for a historical document we call the bible..so go ahead. yeahsure

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 Quoting: Aiyanna


I presume you are reading an English translation of the Tablets, so how do you know what the original stones said when you do not speak sumerian.

Secondly, do you trust the translation ?.

Thanks.
 Quoting: Shephardi


I don't know if i trust the translation honestly. I have doubts about the bible translations as well. That is a very important point that you brought up. With the Sumarian tablets and Old sumarian mythologies we do however have ancient pictures to go with as well. Zecharia Sitchin did a translation on the Sumarian Tablets, But The University of pennslyvania and Oxford University has taken on the translation as well.

But this is what really gets me :
Sumerian tablet translation calls for re-examination of Genesis text.The familiar biblical story of the Garden of Eden compiled in the 1st millennium BC has had many counterparts little known outside specialist circles. One however was written in clear and secular terms and inscribed on clay tablets in Sumeria during the 3rd Millennium BC and placed in the Nippur library.

Now published in the book The Genius of the Few by ancient languages scholar Christian and Barbara Joy O'Brien and available for inspection on this website, we now have within An Alternative Genesis the contributions from a much earlier and more detailed record providing the self evident links to the Bible.


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Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
Aiyanna (OP)

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Your title is like: Sugar added black water VS Coca-cola
 Quoting: hAppymoon


The bible might in your eyes have been coca-cola..but I however think given the facts about the new found info..we should all read it. I do not hate religious people, I do not hate the idea of this god as you say(to each their own), but i do hate that people dismiss this info like it means nothing. I do however think people who can't at least read it with an open mind are somewhat in-denial about the reality of this world. I might refer to them as "tard". Its not so much they are "retarted" its just "religitards" refuse to see past the bible. And with that being the case we are all in alot of trouble.
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
Aiyanna (OP)

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For all of you calling me an Ignorant fool, I laugh at you. You have nothing to say other then to attack me personally, Go ahead. Its not helping that poor pathetic excuse for a historical document we call the bible..so go ahead.


 Quoting: Aiyanna



lol

Go ahead OP ....


That was a guess you "tard"
 Quoting: Aiyanna





:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


are you not a religitard? I guess you have not talked to me enough to know what i mean by "tard"..I don't like "personal labels" so much, even tho when irritated i will label like a mo-fo. I try not to. I choose "tard"- you can insert your own flavor, That way i do not label you or perceive you in a context that you are not.
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
Aiyanna (OP)

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Sumerian tablet translation calls for re-examination of Genesis text

An alternative translation of the biblical Genesis text has revealed a realistic and down to earth story of flesh and blood farmers, recorded as the Anannage or the Elohim in the planted highlands, as opposed to God in heaven.

The familiar biblical story of the Garden of Eden compiled in the 1st millennium BC has had many counterparts little known outside specialist circles. One however was written in clear and secular terms and inscribed on clay tablets in Sumeria during the 3rd Millennium BC and placed in the Nippur library.

Now published in the book The Genius of the Few by ancient languages scholar Christian and Barbara Joy O'Brien and available for inspection on this website, we now have within An Alternative Genesis the contributions from a much earlier and more detailed record providing the self evident links to the Bible. (So why doesn't more religious people care about this???)
O'Brien's changes to the interpretation and translation of the biblical texts are supported in far greater detail in both this ancient Sumerian literature and in little known, parallel Hebraic writings such as the Secrets of Enoch. He also draws on the work of many scholars over the past 100 years, who have challenged the Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek and English translations of the Bible.


Translation of the 4,500 year old, seven Sumerian Kharsag Epics from the cuneiform clay cylinders and tablets excavated from the remains of the Nippur Library in 1896 by an expedition from the University of Pennsylvania, have identified the wise sages who passed down their knowledge to the Sumerian civilization, which was in full power 2000 years before the Bible was compiled.

The early popularity of the Secrets of Enoch, which carried the full weight of a canonical work, was based on a false premise. It was thought to be a series of prophecies of a Golden Age that would occur in the future. The early Fathers of the Church failed to realise that they were a consistent account of a Golden Age that had already occured in the distant past.


Enoch traveled from near the summit of Mount Hermon and recorded his visit within a graphic and detailed account of the Kharsag (Eden) site, now identified in the Rachaiyah (Achaia) Basin, Southern Lebanon, where he met the Lords of the Cultivation, Granary and Plough, and the Lady Ninkharsag (Mama).....etc click link to read more...
[link to www.goldenageproject.org.uk]
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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So reading through 3 pages of responces and it is not hard to see that the bible people and the people who follow religions have invaded,

1. the bible did say the earth used to be flat check out bibles from the 15 century.

2. The church suppressed the fact that the earth revolved around the sun for over 250 years, why do you think all the great people of that time from da vinci to angelo had to operate in secret.

3.I wont get into any more details but if we must I will debate this because I am one of those people who after work I take the time to read sacred geometry and read sumerian 'mythical' books, IT IS A FACT THAT SUMERIA, LEMURIA, GONDWANALAND and ATLANTIS all had EBE contact, where else did they figure out that SACRED GEOMETRY CREATED THE UNIVERSE.

IF NEED BE I WILL DEBATE THIS WITH THE SHEEPLE.
 Quoting: 6Gunfanatic-Foodhoarder7


It was some African scientist who claimed the Earth was flat and went on the Church payroll.

Show me the ruins of atlantis. You should know after so many years of study.
 Quoting: Shephardi


Do you even know what the bermuda triangle is? I will simply say go read some books on sacred geometry, the ancient secret of the flower of life, how to live in the secret part of the heart, Plato, Di Vinci, Angelo, Machiavelli etc etc.
I'm tired of always proving people wrong when they can just go and pick up these books like everyone else that has the balls to read up on this.

EDIT: It wasnt an african scientist it was a certain Greek monarchy at the time genius.

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hey op, i really would like to get some introduction to sumerian texts. any links for me?
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hey op, i really would like to get some introduction to sumerian texts. any links for me?
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I have SO many. I would say as friendly advice to watch the translation video's and read the actual tablets that are avaiable to us. They are very interesting..i satyed up till 4 am when i started into this for 2 weeks straight because i was so interested once i got a taste. I was dead at work lol. Here are some of the links that got me started, that i saved on my computer..good luck!Their are several books out their as well that i enjoyed.
Tablet translations:
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

Just some info on the subject:
[link to www.ancientscripts.com]
[link to www.earth-history.com]
[link to sabbathrock.com]
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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For all of you calling me an Ignorant fool, I laugh at you. You have nothing to say other then to attack me personally, Go ahead. Its not helping that poor pathetic excuse for a historical document we call the bible..so go ahead. yeahsure

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 Quoting: Aiyanna


I too have been studying this op- it's mind blowing- I was also once reading something about how all the stars came to be- which star bore which star and plant-

it sounded JUST like the book of life- except the names of biblical people had been replaced w the names of celEstial bodies-

hey, I'm a christain, but I want to know truth -

I can't find the exact link I read that nite- but here's one that explains what in talking about

[link to www.enkispeaks.com]

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Isn't it amazing the names and insults we get called for just looking to older books than the bible?
''All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.''
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hey, I'm a christain, but I want to know truth -

Isn't it amazing the names and insults we get called for just looking to older books than the bible?
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Christian? You look like witch. Witches have no aversion to lying it seems.

There are no older text than the biblical text.
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Ignorant fool is for those who draw conclusions without studying all the evidence. Sorry OP but looking at your signature you fall into this category, as no fully knowledgable person would ever say what you state therein.
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hey, I'm a christain, but I want to know truth -

Isn't it amazing the names and insults we get called for just looking to older books than the bible?
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Christian? You look like witch. Witches have no aversion to lying it seems.

There are no older text than the biblical text.
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That may not be true, but if so it is it doesn't matter, as has been stated and ignored on this thread the similarities of the biblical accounts in other ancient cultures simply serve to confirm them, as these were events which were known to be actual history to these cultures.
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hey, I'm a christain, but I want to know truth -

Isn't it amazing the names and insults we get called for just looking to older books than the bible?
 Quoting: Bittchofthesouth


Christian? You look like witch. Witches have no aversion to lying it seems.

There are no older text than the biblical text.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547332


That may not be true, but if so it is it doesn't matter, as has been stated and ignored on this thread the similarities of the biblical accounts in other ancient cultures simply serve to confirm them, as these were events which were known to be actual history to these cultures.
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I actually agree with u-
''All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.''
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Moses possibly edited Genesis from ten firsthand witnesses

TOLEDOTH THEORY

In recent years a much better insight into the origin of Genesis has emerged. As ancient Near Eastern libraries have been unearthed and their contents deciphered, many insights into biblical times have been gained. In particular, tablets from before the time of Moses in the area of Mesopotamia (where Abraham hailed from) were noted to frequently contain a colophon – a formula of sorts, at the close of the tablet. This is similar to modern customs of ending a letter with a formula like "Sincerely yours,(Name)".

Often these tablets were family records or king-lists giving the ancestry of a person. The Hebrew term for generations is toledoth. These tablets would contain a colophon describing who had written the tablet or whose history it recorded. Scholars recognized that these colophons were similar in structure to toledoth phrases in Genesis:

1) "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created." (Genesis 2:4)

2) "This is the book of the generations of Adam." (Genesis 5:1)

3) "These are the generations of Noah." (Genesis 6:9)

4) "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth." (Genesis 10:1)

5) "These are the generations of Shem." (Genesis 11:10)

6) "Now these are the generations of Terah." (Genesis 11:27)

7) "And these are the generations of Isaac, Abraham's son." (Genesis 25:19)

8) "This is the account of Abraham's son Ishmael." (Genesis 25:12)

9) "This is the account of Esau (that is, Edom)." (Genesis 36:1)

10) "These are the generations of Jacob." (Genesis 37:2)

The implication of these colophons in Genesis is that they separate Genesis into distinct source documents each dating from the period of the person named in them. These source documents were handed down from father to son until the time of Moses, when they were edited together to form the book of Genesis under divine inspiration. In almost every case the logical author for each document would be the person named in the colophon itself. The statements immediately following each colophon would be the beginning of the next tablet; for example, Genesis 2:4 reads "When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens…" beginning Adam’s story.

[link to www.rae.org]
[link to www.trueorigin.org]
[link to www.dtl.org]
[link to www.specialtyinterests.net]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The biblical religion has remained unchanged for thousands of years, while all pagan religions have change with the rise and fall of their empires and culture.

Claim:
The Sumer tablets are the oldest text.

Reply:
Understand how TEXT dating is done: the physical dating of an archaeological relic does not date the original TEXT, which is dated by events and confirmed with the sciences.

"The oldest known tablets written in stone," means little, as original biblical texts were copied to parchment repeatedly and the originals destroyed as they were used to the point of being worn out and useless. But by this time there were thousands of copies so originals were unimportant.

Older manuscript/tablet has no validity over the majority text in agreement: Majority coming from different parts of the world, all in agreement. This is what is found with the Textus Receptus Greek New Testament and Hebrew Masoretic Old Testament, King James Version manuscripts. Oldest known does not mean more credible or reliable in textual criticism, just means the originals were destroyed, lost or possibly being kept from us.

But that's not all, the pagan Sumer tablets do not tell of real events, while the books of the Bible are confirmed repeatedly with HISTORY and SCIENCE.

The Bible has stories far older than the flood, compiled by Moses including many prophecies precluding anything but devinely inspired Word of GOD!
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Really?


Where?

Chapter?


Verse?



 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


That was a guess you "tard"
 Quoting: Aiyanna




Nice.

Keep guessing and please find a Bible verse to back up your claims- including this one:

GOD is a liar.
 Quoting: Aiyanna





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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051

1 Kings 22:23
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
Jeremiah 4:10
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jeremiah 20:7
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Ezekiel 14:9
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1291973


Ok, so there are errors in the Bible and you've found some of them...

1 Kings 22:23
and
2 Chronicles 18:22

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath found a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets...

Jeremiah 4:10
10 Then said I, "Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, 'Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul'."

If you're going to quote something from the Bible, at least have the decency to quote it directly! Me thinks thou hast a deceiving spirit!

This begins with "Then said I..." which indicates that it is something that Jeremiah is saying TO the Lord--not about the Lord. It is more of a question, like, "Have you deceived the people?" while knowing, of course, that the Lord would not deceive them.


Jeremiah 20:7
7 ¶ O LORD, thou hast persuaded me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me. (From the Hebrew text.)


Ezekiel 14:9
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have not deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

Delusion: a false belief or opinion; a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: (Dictionary.com)

You've taken this verse out of its context, so it cannot be understood. Within its true context, while embedded within the verses preceding it and following it, one can see that, beginning with verse 8, God is going to release "the Wicked One", (Satan) on the people, who would delude them into believing a lie.

What IS that lie? Could it be that the MUSLIMS did 9/11 and not Israel? Could it be that "the Whitehouse had no involvement in it?" Could it be that "it doesn't really matter that Obama is NOT a U.S. citizen and cannot even prove his citizen with a VALID U.S. birth certificate--because he doesn't have one--because he WASN'T born in the U.S.?" Could it be ALL of the above--and many more lies?

The point is that you can talk to some people until your face turns blue, that engine fuel doesn't burn nearly hot enough to melt steel, and to prove it, we have that famous video clip of Edna (forgot her last name) standing on the ledge outside of the fire that is inside the office, and there's no way in hell that the human body could withstand a 3000ºF fire. Yet there are people who would still argue that it WAS burning that hot and that THAT made the building collapse. Many people have been deluded into believing the 9/11 Commission Report as Gospel Truth, regardless of how idiotic it may be.

This verse is followed by:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
(2 Thessalonians 2:12-13)
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you just made a VERY valid point!!! God also says we will know theses liars by their fruits, [link to www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org]


This article has also kinda blown my mind- what do uthink? Do u think the the act may have been comitted when isreal decided to not be ruled by god, but by men?

That was a guess you "tard"
 Quoting: Aiyanna




Nice.

Keep guessing and please find a Bible verse to back up your claims- including this one:

GOD is a liar.
 Quoting: Aiyanna





.)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051

1 Kings 22:23
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
Jeremiah 4:10
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jeremiah 20:7
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Ezekiel 14:9
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1291973


Ok, so there are errors in the Bible and you've found some of them...

1 Kings 22:23
and
2 Chronicles 18:22

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath found a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets...

Jeremiah 4:10
10 Then said I, "Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, 'Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul'."

If you're going to quote something from the Bible, at least have the decency to quote it directly! Me thinks thou hast a deceiving spirit!

This begins with "Then said I..." which indicates that it is something that Jeremiah is saying TO the Lord--not about the Lord. It is more of a question, like, "Have you deceived the people?" while knowing, of course, that the Lord would not deceive them.


Jeremiah 20:7
7 ¶ O LORD, thou hast persuaded me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me. (From the Hebrew text.)


Ezekiel 14:9
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have not deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

Delusion: a false belief or opinion; a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: (Dictionary.com)

You've taken this verse out of its context, so it cannot be understood. Within its true context, while embedded within the verses preceding it and following it, one can see that, beginning with verse 8, God is going to release "the Wicked One", (Satan) on the people, who would delude them into believing a lie.

What IS that lie? Could it be that the MUSLIMS did 9/11 and not Israel? Could it be that "the Whitehouse had no involvement in it?" Could it be that "it doesn't really matter that Obama is NOT a U.S. citizen and cannot even prove his citizen with a VALID U.S. birth certificate--because he doesn't have one--because he WASN'T born in the U.S.?" Could it be ALL of the above--and many more lies?

The point is that you can talk to some people until your face turns blue, that engine fuel doesn't burn nearly hot enough to melt steel, and to prove it, we have that famous video clip of Edna (forgot her last name) standing on the ledge outside of the fire that is inside the office, and there's no way in hell that the human body could withstand a 3000ºF fire. Yet there are people who would still argue that it WAS burning that hot and that THAT made the building collapse. Many people have been deluded into believing the 9/11 Commission Report as Gospel Truth, regardless of how idiotic it may be.

This verse is followed by:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
(2 Thessalonians 2:12-13)
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''All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.''
Buddha
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My bad I didn't reply to that right- and my reply is ontop of ur quote- I'm on my iPhone - please excuse that
''All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.''
Buddha
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Now i'm gonna work on the similarities of lord anu and the god of the OT.
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I have been researching this for years the sumerian tablets follow genesis to the T
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Hey moron, those tablets preceed the bible by thousands of years. How could the tablets "follow" something that was written in the 1500's?

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