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Sumarian tablets VS. The Holy Bible

 
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all of humanity's ancient stories have similarities. someday maybe folks will realize we are all the same...

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I have been researching this for years the sumerian tablets follow genesis to the T
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I think you'll find that genesis folows the sumerian tablets not the other way round
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Yes Genesis follows the sumerian tablets particularly if you know how to translate the tablets which Sitchin didn't.This is also backed up by other ancient texts including the Dead Sea Scrolls.


Sitchin was soooo wrong.
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Sitchin didn't do the translating of the tablets though.

You think that, because you know fuck all about Sumerian history, culture, or significance because you tunnel vision the theories of Z Sitchin and try and say that he is the only person who think Sumerian civilization is real.

You are a blind, dumb, sheep to some old book, yet you spit all over the origins of it because you prefer to be ignorant by choice.
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Ignorance is actually drawing a conclusion that since one source predates another the other is than somehow invalidated. As has been stated here the reason the stories have similarities (also among other cultures) is because they were commonly accepted as history at that time throughout the world. Hence the biblical accounts of Eden, the flood, etc. are actually validated by these other writings.
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Yes christianity is fine for those who find it serves them well. It just doesn't do it for me. I am glad your keeping an open mind about the world, I believe we should always keep two eyes open and learn all we can while we are here! I'm going to check out that link you've provided, I love reading about anything to do with Enki <3 and yes the name calling is ridiculious..I'm ok with being called enkitard, Sumaritard..lol but it always goes way further. hf
 Quoting: Aiyanna


Why do you hate Christianity (the idea/concept) so much? You understand that Jesus summed up the entire idea more than once, and broke it down simply so we don't have to debate the finer nuances of mistranslation and misinterpretation?

Here's one:

"Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the law?" And he [Jesus] said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22.36-40)

What is it exactly that you hate so much about that?

Do you think that it is naive to believe that just by loving God and your neighbor everything will work out? Your personal observation is a much harsher and more unforgiving world, right?

Can you not imagine a God/Being that is worthy of all of your love and therefore are offended by any commandment to do so? Do you fear someone unworthy of Godhood attempting to masquerade as God for the purpose of controlling you? Is it conceivable that someone would do this and yet there still exists a real God out there somewhere?

Can you just not imagine why God would want your love/worship unless it was for some nefarious undeserving purpose?

Do you just hate the idea of there being any rules that you MUST follow? Why do you hate these rules more than say "Gravity" or "Conservation of Energy"? Are you only willing to accept rules that can be proven to be true now, within your time frame? Is it conceivable that some rules may take a lifetime to prove, and still have been true all along?

Is it a more general hatred of the idea by association? Do you hate the Christian "leadership" so completely that any idea or person associated with them, even indirectly, is guilty by association?
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You can hate Christianity and love Jesus.

Jesus never had anything to do with Christianity.

Saul did.
 Quoting: Erra


You and I have different definitions of Christianity, but that is likely simply a communication/semantics issue. I don't tightly couple the institution that have surrounded the idea of Christianity with the idea itself.

Given that Jesus was one of the strongest opponents of the the established and repressive religious institutions of his day, I think you are very much in the right to be a Christian but hate the established institutions.

Of particular poetic and prophetic irony is that practicing real Christianity (I am defining as "being like Christ") is what Got Jesus killed by the Church.
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The 'Holy Bible' is nothing but a collection of plagiarized religious (i.e "pagan") beliefs - Sumerian, Egyptian, Babylonian, Hindu, etc, etc...all of which precede the Bible by hundreds to thousands of years! The Jewish people did this to create a new counterfeit religion in which they were the heros and the people they stole it from were the villains. The did this so they could parasitically insinuate themselves into our psyche & our society & then proceed to destroy it from within. Not to mention to get us to worship their demon-god Yahweh. Christianity = Satan's Counterfeit Religion.
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I know OP did this post about Sumerian tablets, and without a doubt they played a significant role in figuring out the Bible, BUT....

I've always thought, christianity came from Egypt.. I don't mean the bible, but the concepts, I admit it didn't start anywhere close to Christianity, but with Tutankhamen, the entire region collapsed.. He was sold, and bought by the west, just like the priests that corrupted him and put him up to this..

To give you an Idea, of how many Gods they had, just let me share their ''creation story'' - The whisper ''Neb-er-tcher'' is Creation, Neb-er-tcher also known as time and space, God almighty, or creator of all things, and most high, whispers ''Khepera'' who created an eye, but became the first sun God, then the sun was stolen from the sky, by Apep, the host of the darkness, also called a serpent, and God almighty Neb-er-tcher created another eye, this time calling it the moon..
This darkness lasted for sometime before the sun rose again, and when it decided to shine it's light on earth one morning the sun rose from a new watery abyss, and brought with it Shu, also know as the atmosphere, and tefnut, who was the waters above the heavens (and the abyss in which she lay sleep)..

While the sun was kidnapped, The sun masturbates to it's shadow and bore Shu, the God of the atmosphere, and tefnut, god of waters.. Tefnut and Shu then formed a union and bore Keb, the God of the earth, and Nut the sky Goddess, this union would bare Orisis Hourus, Set, Isis, and Nepthys..... Osiris and Isis we're married in the whomb before birth, Osiris was the reincarnated soul of Neb-er-tcher's grandfather, and also most high, this reincarnation made the way for one of the most kindred souls not only on earth, but in the afterlife, which Osiris is very well known for..

Under the effects of the light and warmth of the suns return, Shu and Tefnut feeling heavenly, formed a union and bore Keb, the earth God, and Nut, the sky goddess.. This union would bring forth Osiris, Horus, Set, Isis, and Nephthys, with Osiris and Isis marrying before birth.. Osiris was the reincarnated soul of Neb-er-tcher's grandfather, and also most high, this reincarnation made the way for one of the most kindred souls not only on earth, but in the afterlife, which Osiris is very well known for..

Then it was decided to create man and woman, animals, rodents and birds.. Man and Animal come straight from god all mighty, and are not produced by their species.. Neb-er-tcher (the creator of all) began to cry on dust, and this brought to life a full eco system, complete with humans, while also passing godly (with a lower case g) qualities, and traits to all the animals God almighty had just created.. Egyptian creation was days, so within days of creation they had more Gods and gods than I can count on 2 hands..Not just any Gods either, but the legendary ones..I've wondered if these lower case g gods weren't hybirds?

Their reported to have some supernatural gifts as being part god: it was usually things like calming, siren, or medicine women/man..

Where the upper case Gods we're assigned jobs like controlling the tides, weather, production of crops and warmth ..

The Egyptian Empire lasted longer than anyone elses, at over a couple thousand years, it was complex, advanced, wealthy, and would of stayed that way if Tutankhamen had never happened, sometimes I gotta wonder why it's not common knowledge that he was a tyrant, and real bad guy, and I think it's because he was working for tptb.. I've seen people on this board link christianity back to Ra the sun God, and this isn't close to being right.. Ra was a happy, powerful God of the underworld until he was 300 years old, then he became the sun God.. Ra was the second, not first, sun God.. BUT, Tutankhamen had 4 names and one of them was AMEN-RA, and this is where the confusion comes in..

Amen-RA was the LAST sun God, Tutankhamen's time to rule was almost 2 thousand years after the day of creation.. Amen-RA took the whole region from polythesism, to ONLY worshipping him transforming the middle east to monothesism ..

EVERYTHING this civilization did was at temples, from farming, to cooking, I cant stress enough how much these Gods were a part of these peoples lives..

Tutankhamen was easily an Obama, no one seems to know much on him, but his rule is legendary, and since he was loved by the temple priests his grave, and the record of his rule is well documented

Researchers think He is either NEB-KHEPERU-RA's son by a concubine, Or, he got rid of his immediate predecessor, Smenkhkara, or Seaakara, who married the princess MERITATEN, or ATENMERIT, the eldest daughter of Amenhetep IV, and usurped his throne. BOTH these theories are excepted as the only logical conclusion, since NO ONE heard of him until he took the throne, these are really the only 2 credible theories floating out there..

In the beginning of Tutankhamen ascension of the throne he professed to be, an adherent of the cult of Aten, or the "Solar Disk," and to hold the religious views the Egyptian people had held and practiced for thousands of years, but he just couldn't do it and he began working at another temple with another cult in Thebes, this spread quickly and a total state of confusion spread through-out Egypt..

TUTANKHAMEN IS ALSO AMEN-RA. also known as the God of Amen, and these are the VERY roots and start of the religion we know today as Christianity.. Tutankhamen had himself decreed eternal king with-in months of taking the throne..and had invaded the entire northern region of Africa, and eventually would get all the way to Syria, and philistine

Glyphs found in his tomb show how well he was approved of by the priesthoods of Heliopolis, Memphis, Hermopolis and Thebes, and most people believe he was acting on their request..Tutankhamen aka Amen ra, made it very clear he was only going to do the utmost to fulfil the expectations of the great ancient priesthoods of Egypt..and took over 2 more lands on the priests behalf, putting an end to any rebellion, and squashing any disatisfaction, as the entire region became total chaos, he declared him south king of the south, and then king of the north, his power was now threatening Iran..


Temples of the gods and goddesses had been [destroyed], their shrines were in a state of ruin and their estates had become a desert. Weeds grew in the courts of the temples. The sanctuaries were overthrown and the sacred sites had become thoroughfares for the people. The land had perished, the gods were sick unto death, and the country was set behind their backs, and would never come back out of this..This is when the power switches to the Western world, and the begining of Christianity..

Tutankhamen then says that if an envoy were sent to Tchah (Syria) to broaden the frontiers of Egypt,and this mission did not prosper; or, the collectors of tribute returned empty-handed because the tribes would not pay his collectors/convoy he would exicute them on their return- it was useless to appeal to any god or any goddess, for there was no reply made to the entreaties of petitioners, since no one stayed to run the temples out of fear for their lives, it was even pointless to knock.. Amen-Ra aka Tutankhamen was replacing polyiethistic religion, with a monotheistic religion across the entire middle east, and northern Africa


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The 'Holy Bible' is nothing but a collection of plagiarized religious (i.e "pagan") beliefs - Sumerian, Egyptian, Babylonian, Hindu, etc, etc...all of which precede the Bible by hundreds to thousands of years! The Jewish people did this to create a new counterfeit religion in which they were the heros and the people they stole it from were the villains. The did this so they could parasitically insinuate themselves into our psyche & our society & then proceed to destroy it from within. Not to mention to get us to worship their demon-god Yahweh. Christianity = Satan's Counterfeit Religion.
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Yes christianity is fine for those who find it serves them well. It just doesn't do it for me. I am glad your keeping an open mind about the world, I believe we should always keep two eyes open and learn all we can while we are here! I'm going to check out that link you've provided, I love reading about anything to do with Enki <3 and yes the name calling is ridiculious..I'm ok with being called enkitard, Sumaritard..lol but it always goes way further. hf
 Quoting: Aiyanna


Why do you hate Christianity (the idea/concept) so much? You understand that Jesus summed up the entire idea more than once, and broke it down simply so we don't have to debate the finer nuances of mistranslation and misinterpretation?

Here's one:

"Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the law?" And he [Jesus] said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22.36-40)

What is it exactly that you hate so much about that?

Do you think that it is naive to believe that just by loving God and your neighbor everything will work out? Your personal observation is a much harsher and more unforgiving world, right?

Can you not imagine a God/Being that is worthy of all of your love and therefore are offended by any commandment to do so? Do you fear someone unworthy of Godhood attempting to masquerade as God for the purpose of controlling you? Is it conceivable that someone would do this and yet there still exists a real God out there somewhere?

Can you just not imagine why God would want your love/worship unless it was for some nefarious undeserving purpose?

Do you just hate the idea of there being any rules that you MUST follow? Why do you hate these rules more than say "Gravity" or "Conservation of Energy"? Are you only willing to accept rules that can be proven to be true now, within your time frame? Is it conceivable that some rules may take a lifetime to prove, and still have been true all along?

Is it a more general hatred of the idea by association? Do you hate the Christian "leadership" so completely that any idea or person associated with them, even indirectly, is guilty by association?
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I bet my paycheck, and tax return OP has no hate, no judgement, and loads of love.. Something wonderful happens when you let go, YOU OPEN UP..


Seems the most vengeful, and judgemental people are still clinging to their bibles, watching the news..

I consider my self a Christain, but the bible is BUYBULL

It was written by people other than Christ, or God..The people who wrote it have an agenda, to BRAINWASH YOU into blindly putting your faith into other country's, that don't have your best, or our best interests aty heart, not only as Americans, but as a world..


LOL, I bet you think Iran is the bigger threat than Israel? Even though Israel is ALWAYS on offensive..

ISRAEL IS ALWAYS AT WAR, AND THE COUNTRY IS APARTHEID..

AC, all you have to do is look WITHOUT the bible in the back of your head telling you how you need to support Israel..


WOW, not only did they write the bible, kill jesus, keep wars going, but their racists against christains, and muslims..

ISRAEL IS THE ONLY COUNTRY LIVING IN APARTHEID IN 2011 IN THE WORLD
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The REAL God, Creator of all does not need to be accepted. As we are born in likeness and within the confines of all Creation.

The REAL God needs not to ask people to accept him in their hearts.
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Moses possibly edited Genesis from ten firsthand witnesses

TOLEDOTH THEORY

In recent years a much better insight into the origin of Genesis has emerged. As ancient Near Eastern libraries have been unearthed and their contents deciphered, many insights into biblical times have been gained. In particular, tablets from before the time of Moses in the area of Mesopotamia (where Abraham hailed from) were noted to frequently contain a colophon – a formula of sorts, at the close of the tablet. This is similar to modern customs of ending a letter with a formula like "Sincerely yours,(Name)".

Often these tablets were family records or king-lists giving the ancestry of a person. The Hebrew term for generations is toledoth. These tablets would contain a colophon describing who had written the tablet or whose history it recorded. Scholars recognized that these colophons were similar in structure to toledoth phrases in Genesis:

1) "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created." (Genesis 2:4)

2) "This is the book of the generations of Adam." (Genesis 5:1)

3) "These are the generations of Noah." (Genesis 6:9)

4) "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth." (Genesis 10:1)

5) "These are the generations of Shem." (Genesis 11:10)

6) "Now these are the generations of Terah." (Genesis 11:27)

7) "And these are the generations of Isaac, Abraham's son." (Genesis 25:19)

8) "This is the account of Abraham's son Ishmael." (Genesis 25:12)

9) "This is the account of Esau (that is, Edom)." (Genesis 36:1)

10) "These are the generations of Jacob." (Genesis 37:2)

The implication of these colophons in Genesis is that they separate Genesis into distinct source documents each dating from the period of the person named in them. These source documents were handed down from father to son until the time of Moses, when they were edited together to form the book of Genesis under divine inspiration. In almost every case the logical author for each document would be the person named in the colophon itself. The statements immediately following each colophon would be the beginning of the next tablet; for example, Genesis 2:4 reads "When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens…" beginning Adam’s story.

[link to www.rae.org]
[link to www.trueorigin.org]
[link to www.dtl.org]
[link to www.specialtyinterests.net]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The biblical religion has remained unchanged for thousands of years, while all pagan religions have change with the rise and fall of their empires and culture.

Claim:
The Sumer tablets are the oldest text.

Reply:
Understand how TEXT dating is done: the physical dating of an archaeological relic does not date the original TEXT, which is dated by events and confirmed with the sciences.

"The oldest known tablets written in stone," means little, as original biblical texts were copied to parchment repeatedly and the originals destroyed as they were used to the point of being worn out and useless. But by this time there were thousands of copies so originals were unimportant.

Older manuscript/tablet has no validity over the majority text in agreement: Majority coming from different parts of the world, all in agreement. This is what is found with the Textus Receptus Greek New Testament and Hebrew Masoretic Old Testament, King James Version manuscripts. Oldest known does not mean more credible or reliable in textual criticism, just means the originals were destroyed, lost or possibly being kept from us.

But that's not all, the pagan Sumer tablets do not tell of real events, while the books of the Bible are confirmed repeatedly with HISTORY and SCIENCE.

The Bible has stories far older than the flood, compiled by Moses including many prophecies precluding anything but devinely inspired Word of GOD!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547332


Thank you for your input! very informational..hf Their is one thing i'd like to say to this, I do agree "majority" has ruled- If not then the bible would not be the only thing passed out like candy. The sumarian text alone prove that someone/something for some reason has not been available to us. Therefore that discredits for me, any amount of faith i could have possibly had left. For me to accept the bible as the only possible truth, their needant be any other alternative's or generic version. In conclusuion to what i'm trying to say, Majority has changed since the bronze age.
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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No wise magician or diviner can explain to the king the mystery he has asked about". (Daniel 2:27)

"Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up.’’ Isaiah (47:13)

"Let no one be found among you . . . . who practices divination . . . Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord, and because of these detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you." (Duet 18:10-12)


Isaiah 47:13 “ God told the nation of ISRAEL to go to their astrologers and stargazers to help them, and tell them this knowledge would do them no good’’


Also in the book of Daniel - 1:20, 2:2, 2:27, 4:7, 5:7, 5:11, and 5:15 - astronomy is redefined FROM the ancient astrology by FORBIDING enchantments or conjurers for purposes of divination (basically God is telling us it’s a terrible sin to be a prophet, predicting future events from astrology) even says if we do it we will be burnt in fire..

We obviously didn’t get rid of astrology, but it was changed to the form we all know today that assumes the placement of the stars in the zodiac have physical effects on humanity..


I honestly think this was an attempt to dumb down humanity, because it’s not like the Kabbalah doesn’t promote this same “mysticism” the Old testament forbids. The Ancient Sumerian Societies we’re absorbed by the Semites, this would have given the Israelites plenty of time to not only understand the astrology, but to confuse the rest of humanity by changing it, rendering those who practice the new astrology clueless as to not only future events, but the knowledge to understand the heavens..

Part of the obvious confusion here is this change in what astronomy is, leaving the laymen of humanity confused while they not only study, but use the real astronomy. The ability to predict future events is a very powerful tool to hold over people. The Ancient Indian cultures used to know when the eclipses would be, and offer sacrificial virgins to please the Gods so they would bring the moon or sun back. This power they held over the less educated people worked tremendously at not only gaining but retaining power over the people.

So this isn’t a new trick, I’m sure Israel knew this, since they seem to have absorbed this ancient culture. The Magi were in Babylon when the jewish people were there during their captivity I’m sure not only did they pick up, and understand magi’s but it was then hidden from us, in order to protect any power they may aquire..

The first letter alphabet (or Semite) language/writing CAME AFTER the fall of the ancients, NO ONE on earth has used these glyphic letters, and markers since then, so to think The Bible is the oldest book in the world is beyond any reason or logic, instead its hope and faith..

But hey, that’s what’s religion is all about, right?

The Biblical hypocracy that surrounds this is also astounding.. We’re told the wise men used magi, to find baby Jesus, while in Numbers book 24: verse 17 we’re told of a star coming out of Jacob, along with a Scepter out of Israel, to smite Moab and destroy the children of Sheth, along with NUMEROUS other examples in the Bible where the Israelites used magi to find enemy’s, kill Jesus.. This verse implies Jacob himself is into magi..

[link to www.aish.com] here is a Kabbalah 101 link showing you the basics as well as the hypocracy of their practice of this “black magic” – they did write the bible, Or do some of you think God really wrote it? LOL

The bible seems to be the jewish people way of control over you. They dictated “God’s” words for you also allowing them tremendous power over; not only you, but your “ Christian Nation’’ and politics. Have you EVER wondered why jewish people, do not believe in your Lord Jesus Christ, or why they think your an idol worshipping sheep for believing in Jesus? [link to en.wikipedia.org]

And wiki is really way to nice (I’m sure this is due to their HEAVEY Jewish funding) but you can get the picture. Ironically, Muslims do believe in Jesus, and view him in HIGH respect , they just don’t think he was the son of god, but rather a prophet, and they seem to have nothing to do with his death, unlike the jewish people..

- CHRISTIANITY IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH JUDAISM..


NOTHING adds up with our relationship with Israel, nothing.

[link to www.pbministries.org] Here is a GREAT read on the “God of Jacob” , the god of Israel, the God who chooses some over others who shows us
“ that the eternal election of certain individuals unto salvation is due to no worthiness in the subjects but results solely from God’s sovereign grace.’’

This GOD sounds like a snake in the grass!


This God choose not to do right, and steal his brothers birth-right, while his brother walked the way of God and ‘’was hated’’ by him. This should say to you it doesn’t matter how you live, you can be a nun and still be hated by God.

[link to www.askmoses.com] and this article is DEFFINITLY worth a read too, it explains how Jacob and the 12 tribes are really a refrence to the 12 zodiac signs (more ancient stolen magi??) and how much this magi, that we’ve been forbidden influences EVERYTHING from their holidays, to their souls, actions AND RELIGION..

NOPE, it does not look JUST LIKE their religion came from these ancient Sumerian texts.. Unless you look..

[link to www.google.com]

This is a yahoo search for not only Nimrod, but BABYLON AlSO being stolen from the ancients and placed into our Bible.

Someone mentioned that none of this means the bible isn’t true, and I just gotta disagree their. This absolutely means it isn’t true, you don’t have your hearts and minds open to God’s true concept, especially if you view God as a man with human powers..I can’t say I’ve found the truth either, so I can’t help ya there..But I can say, the God of Jacob may not save you even if you believe and live right by him. So you may want to keep your hearts and minds open.
n, enchanter, mag
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hf great post!
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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Yes christianity is fine for those who find it serves them well. It just doesn't do it for me. I am glad your keeping an open mind about the world, I believe we should always keep two eyes open and learn all we can while we are here! I'm going to check out that link you've provided, I love reading about anything to do with Enki <3 and yes the name calling is ridiculious..I'm ok with being called enkitard, Sumaritard..lol but it always goes way further. hf
 Quoting: Aiyanna


Why do you hate Christianity (the idea/concept) so much? You understand that Jesus summed up the entire idea more than once, and broke it down simply so we don't have to debate the finer nuances of mistranslation and misinterpretation?

Here's one:

"Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the law?" And he [Jesus] said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22.36-40)

What is it exactly that you hate so much about that?

Do you think that it is naive to believe that just by loving God and your neighbor everything will work out? Your personal observation is a much harsher and more unforgiving world, right?

Can you not imagine a God/Being that is worthy of all of your love and therefore are offended by any commandment to do so? Do you fear someone unworthy of Godhood attempting to masquerade as God for the purpose of controlling you? Is it conceivable that someone would do this and yet there still exists a real God out there somewhere?

Can you just not imagine why God would want your love/worship unless it was for some nefarious undeserving purpose?

Do you just hate the idea of there being any rules that you MUST follow? Why do you hate these rules more than say "Gravity" or "Conservation of Energy"? Are you only willing to accept rules that can be proven to be true now, within your time frame? Is it conceivable that some rules may take a lifetime to prove, and still have been true all along?

Is it a more general hatred of the idea by association? Do you hate the Christian "leadership" so completely that any idea or person associated with them, even indirectly, is guilty by association?
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I bet my paycheck, and tax return OP has no hate, no judgement, and loads of love.. Something wonderful happens when you let go, YOU OPEN UP..


Seems the most vengeful, and judgemental people are still clinging to their bibles, watching the news..

I consider my self a Christain, but the bible is BUYBULL

It was written by people other than Christ, or God..The people who wrote it have an agenda, to BRAINWASH YOU into blindly putting your faith into other country's, that don't have your best, or our best interests aty heart, not only as Americans, but as a world..


LOL, I bet you think Iran is the bigger threat than Israel? Even though Israel is ALWAYS on offensive..

ISRAEL IS ALWAYS AT WAR, AND THE COUNTRY IS APARTHEID..

AC, all you have to do is look WITHOUT the bible in the back of your head telling you how you need to support Israel..


WOW, not only did they write the bible, kill jesus, keep wars going, but their racists against christains, and muslims..

ISRAEL IS THE ONLY COUNTRY LIVING IN APARTHEID IN 2011 IN THE WORLD
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You would have won the bet tounge I do not hate any religion I have just seen hole's in certain aspects of the scripture's that i have been told to open my heart and have faith for. I'm am on a journey of truth for myself, And welcome anyone to join me. I don't care of the religion. If we have things that have been hidden..We have ALL had it hidden. If I have been lied to my whole life..We have ALL been lied to. I have no hate, No judgments..unless of course its "religitard" (I used to be one as well)..I think we should all have an open mind and look at what info we do have available..And here's what i do know- the bible and sumarian tablets have similarities.hf
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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The Sumarian tablets, the Bible, the Koran, the Bhagavadg&#299;t&#257;, etc. are all talking about the same thing.
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Yes! But a question i have always had is why is Enki perceived to some "religious" as "satan" and the creator of humanity according to the bible is our god, two different people...Makes some interesting question's hf
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It may have been God that created Adam and Eve but it was the serpent that set them loose upon the world. What I find most interesting about the bible saying that there is only one God is that God speaks to other beings like himself in Genesis.
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Yes when you read it with an open mind (as i did recently-not the way they teach it..but just reading it as info and compariable info) things stick out..make's you really wonder...
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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a great site about summerian text is found at

[link to earth-history.com]

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Yes christianity is fine for those who find it serves them well. It just doesn't do it for me. I am glad your keeping an open mind about the world, I believe we should always keep two eyes open and learn all we can while we are here! I'm going to check out that link you've provided, I love reading about anything to do with Enki <3 and yes the name calling is ridiculious..I'm ok with being called enkitard, Sumaritard..lol but it always goes way further. hf
 Quoting: Aiyanna


Why do you hate Christianity (the idea/concept) so much? You understand that Jesus summed up the entire idea more than once, and broke it down simply so we don't have to debate the finer nuances of mistranslation and misinterpretation?

Here's one:

"Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the law?" And he [Jesus] said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22.36-40)

What is it exactly that you hate so much about that?

Do you think that it is naive to believe that just by loving God and your neighbor everything will work out? Your personal observation is a much harsher and more unforgiving world, right?

Can you not imagine a God/Being that is worthy of all of your love and therefore are offended by any commandment to do so? Do you fear someone unworthy of Godhood attempting to masquerade as God for the purpose of controlling you? Is it conceivable that someone would do this and yet there still exists a real God out there somewhere?

Can you just not imagine why God would want your love/worship unless it was for some nefarious undeserving purpose?

Do you just hate the idea of there being any rules that you MUST follow? Why do you hate these rules more than say "Gravity" or "Conservation of Energy"? Are you only willing to accept rules that can be proven to be true now, within your time frame? Is it conceivable that some rules may take a lifetime to prove, and still have been true all along?

Is it a more general hatred of the idea by association? Do you hate the Christian "leadership" so completely that any idea or person associated with them, even indirectly, is guilty by association?
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I do not hate it..promise hf Now when we are talking about Rule's and lifestyle's people live their life by, I can honestly say I live as a "christian" would..I in fact have been a christian majority of my life. I can say I probaly live better then most that consider themselves religious. (i mean morals, respect-nothing materialistic or to that degree) I'm the chick at the homeless shelter on christmas eve helping get people fed, rather then the people sitting at home drinking egg-nog and singing christmas carols with their families. I care about people, animals, nature..I come by it HONESTLY thats just how i have been wired..before i was ever christian, and after i decided christianity wasn't for me. I never needed religion, god, jesus anyone/thing to tell me how to be a good caring self-less person. THIS IS A BOLD STATEMENT BUT..How the god of the O.T is perceived by his own word's (if in fact it is his word's) I live better then he exspects me to live and he perceives himself as a jealous, vindictive, murderous villian in that bible that gonna wipe out everyone. Why would such a powerful god have petty silly human type emotions? Even humans can get over those type's of emotion's..So whats his excuse? Is he afraid we won't bow down? Not only the principles of the pettiness i find throughout religions but on this jesus subject. We hear about him when he's an infant, then he comes back as 30 and all we know about him is from what this saul/paul guy say's decades later! talk about hear say...If god reincarnated into flesh, or had a son by a virgin and roamed around changing the word of god..shouldn't we have kept a better eye on him?
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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a great site about summerian text is found at

[link to earth-history.com]
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Thanks!hf
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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Our modern technology has proved the Bible wrong. That means that if there is a God, he didn't write the Bible and the Bible is not his word. If the Bible were the word of God and the Bible is wrong, then God is wrong. And if God can't be wrong, then the Bible, which is wrong, can't be the word of God.
 Quoting: Aiyanna


The Bible Says... and It Is So.

Bible says ...
God created man, the Earth and universe. And this is what is found. Man has always been man. There is no proof of the subhuman cavemen claimed by many who reject God.

Bible says ...
God caused a great global flood to come upon the Earth killing everything on land except eight people including Noah and many animals who survived aboard a ship designed by God called the Ark. And this is what is found. Sedimentary layers cover the Earth containing the fossils of all that were killed in the global flood about 4350 years ago. Textbooks and all of science admit these sediment layers theorizing a meteor struck the Earth, and it may have. Noah's Ark has been found by amature biblical archaeologist Ron Wyatt.

Bible says ...
After the flood Noah's great-grandson Nimrod founded Babylon a kingdom that included Sumeria. And this is what is found. Archaeologists have found his name on many inscriptions and tablets in the excavated city of Babylon.

Bible says ...
The tribes of Israel came out of Egyptian slavery and settled Palestine and Judea. And this is what is found. The exodus route, Red Sea crossing location, the real Mount Sinai and surrounding artifacts have all been found by Ron Wyatt. Many cities built by the Jewish people remain today, including Jerusalem.

Bible says ...
God came to Earth as a man, Jesus. And this is what is found. First and second century historians and witnesses record the life and times of Jesus and Christian converts.

Bible says ...
There will be four kingdoms on Earth from the time of Daniel in Babylon until the end when Jesus returns, written by Daniel at that time. As yet this is what has been. These kingdoms have been: Babylon, Persia, Greek and the Roman Empire which still rules today.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547099


The bible also said GOD created the earth and universe 6,000/10,000 years ago...according to dinosaur bones that are 4 million+ years old, GOD is a liar. Unless of coarse its the people who wrote the bible whom were WRONG..they were wrong about one thing they whole heartly believed..the earth is NOT flat.
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Where in the Bible does it say how old the earth is? That is a very human interpretation of the text.

Also, the earth is not listed as flat in the Bible. There is evidence in the gospels that the earth was considered a sphere revolving around the sun. Upon the second coming of Christ, two people are found working in the field. At the exact same moment two people are found sleeping in bed. The Bible is telling us that it will occur during the day in some parts of the world and at night in others.

A flat earth would mean the whole earth would be night at the same time or day at the same time.
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www.sithchiniswrong.com

Sumerian idols=youtube
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Nope..not going for this sitchin is wrong.com crap. absolutly not. That website was written by a christian author. His whole career is based off of christian fundemental's..therefore i will not give that a second look.

Thread: SITCHIN IS NOT WRONG!!!
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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The bible also said GOD created the earth and universe 6,000/10,000 years ago...according to dinosaur bones that are 4 million+ years old, GOD is a liar. Unless of coarse its the people who wrote the bible whom were WRONG..they were wrong about one thing they whole heartly believed..the earth is NOT flat.
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You are correct in that the earth is millions of years old and there have been many civilizations come and go.

Adam and Eve though form the civilization from about 6000 years ago.

You are doing the right thing by questioning and searching. The biggest surprise for me was to realize that my world view was totally wrong in the way its history was taught to me.

There are more things in this world and other dimensions that most of us can't even imagine and there is nothing new under the sun.

Yes there are similarities in gods and religions, demons and aliens and on and on. Keep reading and learning.

I did just that and when it's all said and done. It's a fight between good and evil with Jesus Christ as our saviour because it all comes to a crashing severe finality when this generation ends and evil loses.

The King James 1611 version of the bible is the best way to find the answer that will save your soul. The end times are near enough that I'm thankful to have started on my journey to the truth in time to have arrived where I am today.

Yes, the world has been hidden to most of us. We have been lied to and sidetracked and the world's religions are a great way to confuse us.

Jesus Christ is the son of the living god creator of heaven and earth. There is a good and lawful reason why he needed to sacrifice himself for us. He did it and all we mere humans have to do now is to accept the debt is paid and we are saved.

I'm not putting you down at all for searching out the truth. I pray you get to it soon and since you seek you will find it. Peace.
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I think what you are struggling with is interpretation. As you said, there are many occurances that are common in theme. Interpret them as you will. There is no rule, as far as I know, that says you have to interpret everything the same as your preacher.
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Our modern technology has proved the Bible wrong. That means that if there is a God, he didn't write the Bible and the Bible is not his word. If the Bible were the word of God and the Bible is wrong, then God is wrong. And if God can't be wrong, then the Bible, which is wrong, can't be the word of God.
 Quoting: Aiyanna


The Bible Says... and It Is So.

Bible says ...
God created man, the Earth and universe. And this is what is found. Man has always been man. There is no proof of the subhuman cavemen claimed by many who reject God.

Bible says ...
God caused a great global flood to come upon the Earth killing everything on land except eight people including Noah and many animals who survived aboard a ship designed by God called the Ark. And this is what is found. Sedimentary layers cover the Earth containing the fossils of all that were killed in the global flood about 4350 years ago. Textbooks and all of science admit these sediment layers theorizing a meteor struck the Earth, and it may have. Noah's Ark has been found by amature biblical archaeologist Ron Wyatt.

Bible says ...
After the flood Noah's great-grandson Nimrod founded Babylon a kingdom that included Sumeria. And this is what is found. Archaeologists have found his name on many inscriptions and tablets in the excavated city of Babylon.

Bible says ...
The tribes of Israel came out of Egyptian slavery and settled Palestine and Judea. And this is what is found. The exodus route, Red Sea crossing location, the real Mount Sinai and surrounding artifacts have all been found by Ron Wyatt. Many cities built by the Jewish people remain today, including Jerusalem.

Bible says ...
God came to Earth as a man, Jesus. And this is what is found. First and second century historians and witnesses record the life and times of Jesus and Christian converts.

Bible says ...
There will be four kingdoms on Earth from the time of Daniel in Babylon until the end when Jesus returns, written by Daniel at that time. As yet this is what has been. These kingdoms have been: Babylon, Persia, Greek and the Roman Empire which still rules today.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547099


The bible also said GOD created the earth and universe 6,000/10,000 years ago...according to dinosaur bones that are 4 million+ years old, GOD is a liar. Unless of coarse its the people who wrote the bible whom were WRONG..they were wrong about one thing they whole heartly believed..the earth is NOT flat.
 Quoting: Aiyanna


Where in the Bible does it say how old the earth is? That is a very human interpretation of the text.

Also, the earth is not listed as flat in the Bible. There is evidence in the gospels that the earth was considered a sphere revolving around the sun. Upon the second coming of Christ, two people are found working in the field. At the exact same moment two people are found sleeping in bed. The Bible is telling us that it will occur during the day in some parts of the world and at night in others.

A flat earth would mean the whole earth would be night at the same time or day at the same time.
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lol, i OBVIOUSLY know the earth is not flat, you don't have to convince me of this.. lol

but the bible does claim that Earth has four ends and four corners. Nothing round has corners or ends.
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"
"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"
"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"
"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"
Job 38:44 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? "
If the author of the bible thought of a globe earth then the last question in job 38: 44 should of read "Who stretched a measuring line around it?"



It also claims its on a foundation and can never be moved..
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
the sun hurries back to where it arises?
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"
(come on- these are silly thing's to be said)

And we can't forget the earths "pillars"
He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)"

1. Job 37:33 He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.
Lighting doesn't travel around the earth the biblical god thought his earth was a small, flat one?

The sumarian tablets on the other hand, Had detailed discriptions of the solar system.....................Detailed. solar. system. Meanwhile, 3,000 years later, "God almighty" was asking who stretched a measuring line around it?
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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6 pages of reading...phew.
OP- nice thread- im an anthropologist with many years of research into this topic, and have read the bible many times. There are definate correlations between Sumerian/Akkadian/Babylonian texts and the bible, which was obviously written AFTER these earlier 'stories' had been punched into clay in 'Cunieform' script.

whether or not the bible was intentionally copied from the earlier writings, or did indeed arrive through 'gods word' to the prophets, doesnt matter..let it be.

in this discussion, i have noticed many 'religious' posters engaging in 'reckless words' PROV 12:16, 18. Seriously, i dont believe that any of the statements made by these people have made much sense. before posting these things, re-check scripture to develop arguements (no offense).

The wording of the topic is what has brought these people to the fore, there is no need to compare the two. they were written many years apart, and translations are still very sketchy...the issue being that some words (same as Ancient Hebrew) can be interpretted many different ways.

i believe that the 'search' for truth is extremely important for EVERYONE, whether the truth is to be found in the BIBLE, or within the ENUMA ELISH is dependant on the person, but i wish you all the best of luck on your journey.

feel free to 'box me' if you would like guidance or any questions i can help you with, but i think all of you should step back and realise that it isnt the actual BIBLE or "SUMERIAN TABLETS" that you are defending but your own ego's...let it go.
Peace

oh, and OP...when it states that "And God said, Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness" (GEN26) i believe (as the ancient Sumerians) that we not only physically appear as him/them, we inherited his/their anger, rage, lust etc... food for thought.

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6 pages of reading...phew.
OP- nice thread- im an anthropologist with many years of research into this topic, and have read the bible many times. There are definate correlations between Sumerian/Akkadian/Babylonian texts and the bible, which was obviously written AFTER these earlier 'stories' had been punched into clay in 'Cunieform' script.

whether or not the bible was intentionally copied from the earlier writings, or did indeed arrive through 'gods word' to the prophets, doesnt matter..let it be.

in this discussion, i have noticed many 'religious' posters engaging in 'reckless words' PROV 12:16, 18. Seriously, i dont believe that any of the statements made by these people have made much sense. before posting these things, re-check scripture to develop arguements (no offense).

The wording of the topic is what has brought these people to the fore, there is no need to compare the two. they were written many years apart, and translations are still very sketchy...the issue being that some words (same as Ancient Hebrew) can be interpretted many different ways.

i believe that the 'search' for truth is extremely important for EVERYONE, whether the truth is to be found in the BIBLE, or within the ENUMA ELISH is dependant on the person, but i wish you all the best of luck on your journey.

feel free to 'box me' if you would like guidance or any questions i can help you with, but i think all of you should step back and realise that it isnt the actual BIBLE or "SUMERIAN TABLETS" that you are defending but your own ego's...let it go.
Peace

oh, and OP...when it states that "And God said, Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness" (GEN26) i believe (as the ancient Sumerians) that we not only physically appear as him/them, we inherited his/their anger, rage, lust etc... food for thought.
 Quoting: nerdrage88sasr


Thanks for the words of wisdom! Need more like you here..hf
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
Aiyanna (OP)

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Re: Sumarian tablets VS. The Holy Bible
The bible also said GOD created the earth and universe 6,000/10,000 years ago...according to dinosaur bones that are 4 million+ years old, GOD is a liar. Unless of coarse its the people who wrote the bible whom were WRONG..they were wrong about one thing they whole heartly believed..the earth is NOT flat.
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You are correct in that the earth is millions of years old and there have been many civilizations come and go.

Adam and Eve though form the civilization from about 6000 years ago.

You are doing the right thing by questioning and searching. The biggest surprise for me was to realize that my world view was totally wrong in the way its history was taught to me.

There are more things in this world and other dimensions that most of us can't even imagine and there is nothing new under the sun.

Yes there are similarities in gods and religions, demons and aliens and on and on. Keep reading and learning.

I did just that and when it's all said and done. It's a fight between good and evil with Jesus Christ as our saviour because it all comes to a crashing severe finality when this generation ends and evil loses.

The King James 1611 version of the bible is the best way to find the answer that will save your soul. The end times are near enough that I'm thankful to have started on my journey to the truth in time to have arrived where I am today.

Yes, the world has been hidden to most of us. We have been lied to and sidetracked and the world's religions are a great way to confuse us.

Jesus Christ is the son of the living god creator of heaven and earth. There is a good and lawful reason why he needed to sacrifice himself for us. He did it and all we mere humans have to do now is to accept the debt is paid and we are saved.

I'm not putting you down at all for searching out the truth. I pray you get to it soon and since you seek you will find it. Peace.
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Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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If people were to just pick up a book about sacred geometry then that would answer all of your questions.

[link to www.dgswilson.com]

Sumer was the last known ancient civilization that existed with knowledge not from this world, there were about 5 ancient civlizations that had knowledge that was not from this world.
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MORE DELIBERATE PREMEDITATED LIES BY NONE OTHER THAN THE HUSTLEMAN AND HIS 2012 ANNUKAKI YOUTUBE ASCENSION MINIONS.


THESE LIES ARE EASIER TO CREATE THAN YOU THINK. HUSTLEMAN GOT PEOPLE CONFUSED EASILY I SEE.

2012 ASCENSION = PIGEONS ON A STICK MARINATED WITH PORKNBEAN JUICE FOR 2 DAYS TO CONFUSE THE HUNGRY MASSES INTO BELEIVING ITS THANKSGIVING TURKEY BECAUSE HUSTLEMAN KNOWS YOU GUYS ARE HUNGRY.



YOU BELEIVE THE 2012 ASCENSCION NIBIRU ANNUNAKI CRAP YOU HAVE A FIERCE CRAVING FRO PIGEONS ON A STICK AND YOU DONT KNOW IT. BUT THATS WHAT HUSTLERS DO.
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MORE DELIBERATE PREMEDITATED LIES BY NONE OTHER THAN THE HUSTLEMAN AND HIS 2012 ANNUKAKI YOUTUBE ASCENSION MINIONS.


THESE LIES ARE EASIER TO CREATE THAN YOU THINK. HUSTLEMAN GOT PEOPLE CONFUSED EASILY I SEE.

2012 ASCENSION = PIGEONS ON A STICK MARINATED WITH PORKNBEAN JUICE FOR 2 DAYS TO CONFUSE THE HUNGRY MASSES INTO BELEIVING ITS THANKSGIVING TURKEY BECAUSE HUSTLEMAN KNOWS YOU GUYS ARE HUNGRY.



YOU BELEIVE THE 2012 ASCENSCION NIBIRU ANNUNAKI CRAP YOU HAVE A FIERCE CRAVING FRO PIGEONS ON A STICK AND YOU DONT KNOW IT. BUT THATS WHAT HUSTLERS DO.
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This is what happens when you dont read what is meant to be read.yoda
Clandestine Cake Eater.
These bastards want the whole damn cake.
Au-Ra
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Re: Sumarian tablets VS. The Holy Bible
to the bibletards that have invaded this thread

the bible says our earth is flat, proven false

sumerian tablets go into full detail of all planets in our solar system

sumerians +1 bibletards -1

there are other things but i rather not go into it

you bibletards plagiarize ancient historic text from sumeria and egypt and can't even get it right

you gay
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And your beloved ancient Sumeria and Egypt were wiped out by God because they sacrificed untold thousands and thousands of babies, children and adults to spirit ls masquerading as God's. .
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HUSTLEMAN GETS AWAY WITH THE MOST HEINOUS LIES WHICH LEAD TO DISGUSTING "LIES" INFILTRATING THE MINDS OF THE CREATORS CHILDREN. HUSTLEMAN HAS THE OP WRAPPED AROUND HIS FINGER. OR MAYBE THE OP IS WORKING FOR HUSTLEMAN. HUSTLEMAN HAS NO SHAME LIKE THAT.
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Sad really ^ I sure as hell hope your not in Alberta
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If people were to just pick up a book about sacred geometry then that would answer all of your questions.

[link to www.dgswilson.com]

Sumer was the last known ancient civilization that existed with knowledge not from this world, there were about 5 ancient civlizations that had knowledge that was not from this world.
 Quoting: 6Gunfanatic-Foodhoarder7


SACRED GEOMETRY AINT FEEDING THE STARVING CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD. AN IDOL IS JUST THAT, AN IDOL. HUSTLEMAN GOT YOU FIENDING AND DECIEVED BY PRETTY PICTURES AND CARVINGS AND IS TAKING AWAY FROM YOU A SIMPLE UNDERSTANDING.
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Sad really ^ I sure as hell hope your not in Alberta
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HEARD IT GETS COLD THERE. COLD LIKE THE LIES OF HUSTLEMAN. YOU ARE GETTING HUSTLED IN THE MOST SIMPLIST OF SIMPLE FORMS.

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