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Greek default!!

 
kphzorz

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09/13/2011 03:01 PM
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funny, isn't?

The western world began with Greece and now it will end with Greece.
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DutchCourage (OP)

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09/13/2011 03:02 PM

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First pin ever, thank you!

They are moving to declare Greece bankrupt, put them back on Drachmen. Issue needs to be compartementalised to reduce risk of spread to other European banks.

Curious what happens next....
"Legio Patria Nostra" (Marche ou crève)
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09/13/2011 03:02 PM
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Just on Dutch news (RTL 4)breaking:'

Dutch government officials leaked to news agency that full prep is in swing for expected Greek default in close collaboration with Germany. Happening right now, people...
 Quoting: DutchCourage


Well, the stock market is going up... makes perfect sense!
Slow

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09/13/2011 03:02 PM
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Apparently It is Merkel who is trying to stop the rumour mill:


“Everyone should weigh their words very carefully. What we do not need is alarm in financial markets,” she said. “There is already enough uncertainty.”
[link to www.ft.com]
 Quoting: IscopeU





Obviously Angela isn't a doomtard...
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09/13/2011 03:08 PM
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the same day greece default...Jp morgan will go bankrupted

and this will start domino effect in the banking systems
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1548290


Pretty sure AIG with the help of GS wrote hundreds of billions in CDS against a greek default, and AIG's liabilities were passed on to our government when it took them over.

So yeah once again the American taxpayer will be expected to bail out the world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432


with which money? the last time we checked americans were drowning in private debt

well even countries are not that stupid

Italy (and I suppose in accordance with Spain/Greece and all the other Piigs that they want to slaughter) did the same CDS...

but anyway better for GS to move the army because the day some of us default all their belonging will be sized and any of them on our soil will end in jail
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09/13/2011 03:08 PM
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well that pretty much seals the doom
for the Euro.

Next ???

the US Dollar.

Soros' plan is working
flawlessly.
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09/13/2011 03:09 PM
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Spanish hold 540 Million,

 Quoting: Otherness


Ooh, this is not going to end well for Europe. Spain is in deep shit already.
 Quoting: IscopeU


540 million isn't that much. Hell the USA spends probably close to that much a day in iraq and Afghanistan.
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09/13/2011 03:11 PM
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Our news didn't tell something like that.
I think we will know that last.
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Last thing they need is bank runs.
 Quoting: IscopeU


shit I hate the runs.
Anonymous Coward
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09/13/2011 03:12 PM
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Obviously Angela isn't a doomtard...
 Quoting: Slow


Angela it's another example why women should stay home watching soap operas

Because she cannot have a real cock to suck she is sucking Bilderberg's one

Angela. Condoleza, and all the other whores of the nwo are so fucking sad
Anonymous Coward
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09/13/2011 03:13 PM
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Does this explain all the body bags shipped to Athens?
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I demand a link!!!
 Quoting: skeptic 1492774


Me too...
Anonymous Coward
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09/13/2011 03:13 PM
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This just hit zerohedge. FULL RETARD AHEAD! 5a
InterMezzo

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09/13/2011 03:15 PM

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Apparently It is Merkel who is trying to stop the rumour mill:


“Everyone should weigh their words very carefully. What we do not need is alarm in financial markets,” she said. “There is already enough uncertainty.”
[link to www.ft.com]
 Quoting: IscopeU


Obviously Angela isn't a doomtard...
 Quoting: Slow


She has no other option than to defend her own policy. Her and Sarkozy's credibility are at stake too, as they are the ones who took the leading role in this whole EU soap. Especially after the German Court ruled on the bailout in her favor last week.

In her heart she must realize though that it was already over before this whole circus began. She just can't say out loud yet that her and Sarkozy have been royally fucked the Greek way too.

And Spain and Italy are waiting in line to take her to the next gangbang session.

But you know what the real sad story behind this is? Merkel, Sarkozy and all these so called rulers will not lose their home or wealth on any default. It is the people who are the true gangbang subjects for many years to come.

And that is what makes me mad.

Last Edited by InterMezzo on 09/13/2011 03:19 PM
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09/13/2011 03:16 PM
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Iceland and Russian defaulted once already, but the difference is greek is in euro.
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09/13/2011 03:18 PM
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Obviously Angela isn't a doomtard...
 Quoting: Slow


Angela it's another example why women should stay home watching soap operas

Because she cannot have a real cock to suck she is sucking Bilderberg's one

Angela. Condoleza, and all the other whores of the nwo are so fucking sad
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1548290


There you have it! This woman Angela needs some Greek dick. That will solve the whole crisis bullshit. Its amazing what a woman will do satisfy her sexual desires.

I personally will sacrifice myself in this noble cause to save my country on behalf of all the Greek people: I will fuck Angela Merkel for 3 days non stop with no protection whatsoevr, in any way or hole, in order to satisfy her insatiable needs. You will then see how quickly this crisis will resolve.
DutchCourage (OP)

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09/13/2011 03:19 PM

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What is the significance of the Dutch leaking this info? I do not think that if the Germans oppose this leak it would have gone out. This is sanctioned.
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09/13/2011 03:21 PM
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What is the significance of the Dutch leaking this info? I do not think that if the Germans oppose this leak it would have gone out. This is sanctioned.
 Quoting: DutchCourage


the dutch are just wierd people.
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09/13/2011 03:21 PM
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What is the significance of the Dutch leaking this info? I do not think that if the Germans oppose this leak it would have gone out. This is sanctioned.
 Quoting: DutchCourage


the dutch are just wierd people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1532498


my sense of humor!
Anonymous Coward
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09/13/2011 03:22 PM
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"Dutch Finance Ministry: Possible Greek Default Only A 'Scenario'"

[link to online.wsj.com]

Translation: They have a little bit more time to plan a strategic default. Doom will have to wait another day.
Anonymous Coward
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09/13/2011 03:22 PM
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where's this default???

where????

unpin this crap this post is bsflag
DutchCourage (OP)

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09/13/2011 03:23 PM

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Or let Greece know: time is up, play ball or else...
"Legio Patria Nostra" (Marche ou crève)
Hawkeye168

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09/13/2011 03:24 PM
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Does this explain all the body bags shipped to Athens?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1546536


What?? Link?
Categories exists only to give the work of the artistic cripple an attractive gloss.
InterMezzo

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09/13/2011 03:24 PM

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What is the significance of the Dutch leaking this info? I do not think that if the Germans oppose this leak it would have gone out. This is sanctioned.
 Quoting: DutchCourage


It is part of the game. Germany and France can not leak this info, as they are key players. The Dutch have always played the role of being reluctant to help, or only under strict conditions. So it is only logical that they are the ones to get the machine of rumors going.

A matter of roleplay.
Anonymous Coward
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09/13/2011 03:25 PM
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Obviously Angela isn't a doomtard...
 Quoting: Slow


Angela it's another example why women should stay home watching soap operas

Because she cannot have a real cock to suck she is sucking Bilderberg's one

Angela. Condoleza, and all the other whores of the nwo are so fucking sad
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1548290



is that you silvio ???
DutchCourage (OP)

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09/13/2011 03:27 PM

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What is the significance of the Dutch leaking this info? I do not think that if the Germans oppose this leak it would have gone out. This is sanctioned.
 Quoting: DutchCourage


It is part of the game. Germany and France can not leak this info, as they are key players. The Dutch have always played the role of being reluctant to help, or only under strict conditions. So it is only logical that they are the ones to get the machine of rumors going.

A matter of roleplay.
 Quoting: InterMezzo


Yes that does make sense, thank you!
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09/13/2011 03:27 PM
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where's this default???

where????

unpin this crap this post is bsflag
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547738


They say that the euro and then the dollar are either gonna go down the shitter or hyper-inflate (or both), so, what happens to my £££ ?

Will they go down the pan too?
Celtìbero

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09/13/2011 03:29 PM
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[link to www.spiegel.de]

Hopeless Case

Schäuble hopes to allay their fears. He argues that Greece, unlike the other crisis-hit countries, is a hopeless case. Or, as Greek Minister for Regional Development and Competitiveness Michalis Chrysohoidis told the Berlin newspaper Tagesspiegel: "The Greek economy is dying."

He has a point. More and more companies are filing for bankruptcy, and Greece's austerity program is already hopelessly behind schedule, in terms of both the sale of government property and the agreed reforms. "It's like dealing with children that constantly have to be told to clean up their rooms," complained one member of the delegation. The troika members from Europe were particularly incensed, while the IMF representatives were more tolerant. Nevertheless, everyone is irritated over the lack of progress.

The privatization program had been envisaged more than a year ago but started very slowly. It is supposed to provide Greece with €50 billion in revenues by 2015, but it was only recently that officials even assembled a list of state-owned companies and properties. Kostas Mitropoulos, 56, who until a few weeks ago was head of global equity investment banking at the Greek bank Eurobank, is the boss of a new privatization agency.

Mitropoulos likens himself to a soldier who has dedicated himself to a "battle" for credibility, "a real war." His office is sparsely furnished with a desk, a small conference table and sports trophies arranged on a cabinet. Mitropoulos still has to recruit some of his team. He needs people with a special personality, he says, people with the necessary passion to achieve "something nearly impossible," as he adds ironically.

The most promising items on the list of government assets up for sale are the lucrative oil company Hellenic Petroleum, the usage rights to the Athens airport and the licenses for OPAP, the state-owned lottery and betting company.

Little Progress

But there are also companies on the list that will struggle to attract buyers at the moment, like the Greek national railroad, which has been losing billions for years, and the Hellenic Postbank. In addition, the powerful labor representatives in many state-owned businesses will deter potential investors. Union organizers at the electricity monopolist DEI are seen as especially radical. They have already threatened to cut off electricity if the company is privatized.

The unions are fighting for their perks. Greece's state-owned companies are a benefits paradise. In some cases, bonuses are even paid to employees for washing their hands. The roughly 20,000 employees of DEI earn twice as much as a high-school teacher on average.

When experts at German utility RWE considered a purchase of the Greek energy provider, they quickly thought better of it, concluding that the company could not be reformed.

Mitropoulos is supposed to have investment deals worth €1.7 billion sealed by the end of September. That's the plan, but in reality this is impossible, for technical reasons if nothing else. Does he worry that the troika will refuse to release the next tranche of aid? No, says Mitropoulos. "I live for the next day."

Another reform project, the timely collection of all taxes, is also making no headway. "We have the impression that the administrative bureaucracy is incapable of doing this," says Prime Minister Papandreou.

Missing Taxes

Greek citizens and companies owe the state a total of almost €40 billion in taxes. The sum would more than cover the government's budget deficit for 2011.

But many government agencies are seen as inefficient and corrupt. Now that their salaries have been cut by 20 percent or more in the course of several rounds of austerity measures, the Greek tax authorities often perform the bare minimum of their duties, and sometimes even less.

Some 17 tax offices did not perform a single audit in the first seven months of the year. In Corinth, a city near Athens, the local tax authority collected only €18,000 in value-added tax within six months, even though the region is home to one of Europe's largest casinos and a number of companies are headquartered there.

A plan to cut 150,000 public-sector jobs is making no progress, partly because civil servants constitute part of the base of the governing Socialist party. The man who agreed to the first austerity measures with the troika is calling for patience. Former Finance Minister Giorgos Papakonstantinou warns against dramatizing the departure of the troika officials. "The negotiations have never been easy," he says, noting that Greece reduced its deficit last year more significantly than any other country. A coffee mug on his desk bears the message: "Work hard, be nice to people."

Greece's plight is so massive that the country's would-be rescuers are losing patience. Europe would have to "brace (itself) for trouble" if Greece went bankrupt, warns former German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrück in a SPIEGEL interview. Nevertheless, he too is convinced that "if the demands on Greece aren't taken seriously," the next tranche will probably "not be paid out."

Other Countries Doing Better

A Greek bankruptcy is getting closer, partly because Europe's other problem countries have made noticeable progress in recent months. This reduces the risk of contagion, say officials in the German Finance Ministry.

The Irish, in particular, have recently sparked hopes that they are turning the corner. The country is regaining the confidence of financial markets, as evidenced by a significant decline in the risk premiums on Irish government bonds in recent weeks. The Irish benefit from their intact export economy. Many international corporations have set up their European headquarters in Ireland, including Apple, IBM and Google. Thanks to exports, the Irish economy is growing again, registering a 1.3 percent gain in the first quarter of 2011 compared to the previous quarter. Ireland is pinning its hopes on exporting its way out of the crisis.

Portugal would like to take the same approach, but the country lacks enough products that are competitive on the international market. This is forcing the center-right government of Prime Minister Pedro Passos Coelho to employ tougher methods.

It is cutting back healthcare services and salaries for government employees. Hardly any government expenditure has remained untouched. At the same time, Coelho is raising taxes on high-income groups, electricity and natural gas, and even Christmas bonuses. The Portuguese are being asked to make substantial sacrifices. There has been some grumbling so far, but they have largely tolerated the government's decisions. Coelho has prepared them for "two difficult years."

Not surprisingly, the troika has responded positively to these efforts, noting that the country is on schedule. Portugal even moved up a notch to 45th place on the World Economic Forum's Global Competitiveness Index rankings for 2011-2012, which were released last week.

Neighboring Spain completed a somewhat larger jump forward on the list, from 42nd place in 2010-2011 to 36th place in the current ranking. The Spaniards have already put up two of their airports for sale and enshrined a balanced-budget provision, also known as a "debt brake," in their constitution. The new law limits new government borrowing to 0.4 percent of GDP, but not until 2020.

Last Edited by Celtìbero on 09/13/2011 03:43 PM
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Anonymous Coward
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09/13/2011 03:31 PM
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Gold & silver are in the elevator ... going up.
InterMezzo

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09/13/2011 03:32 PM

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Or let Greece know: time is up, play ball or else...
 Quoting: DutchCourage


I would rather say: "Quit playing with your balls or else.."

Pumping more money in has the same effect as treating drug addicts in rehab with diet coke.
Mart Alien
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09/13/2011 03:33 PM
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Can't wait for this corrupted casino to go down vanished and burnt to ashes5a
Deamon

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09/13/2011 03:34 PM
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Greek... Bulgaria is in crysis from 20 years... but alive :)
live is hard to say... in private sector we have battle for survive...
Greeks in Bulgaria factory exploit bulgarian womens for low money cost and overtime work...

yak