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Why do some people not like Ron Paul's Foreign Policy

 
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What about them.
 Quoting: patdeez84


Why don't you educate yourself rather than ask a STUPID FUCKING QUESTION LIKE THAT?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 946424


Well your the one who posted about them, I could care less what Iran does. What they do has no impact on my life or the us for that matter your warmongering isn't going to work here
 Quoting: patdeez84


Are you seriously THAT fucking stoooopid. They're enriching uranium like a mother fucker. STOP AND THINK for once. Do you really seriously not understand how your life will change WHEN IRAN NUKES ISRAEL and starts selling nuclear bomb components (and dirty bomb components) to terrorists who promise to use them against US???

Look dumbass, it's not ME that's warmongering. It's fucking IRAN and that will absolutely change all our lives if we don't put a stop to it right NOW!

Idiots like Paul supporters need a fresh dirty bomb sitting on their doorstep to get it through their fucking skulls that IRAN is a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE REST OF THE WORLD - and yes, that includes even YOU. How many more innocent American civilians must die before you bitches wake the fuck up???? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 946424


let the most powerful state with the most nukes in all of the middle east handle Iran, that would be israel. israel believes that we should sacrifice our children and resources like we did in Iraq. The world would be better today if we had never invaded Iraq, war with Iran would destroy what little is left of America.
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I've seen the word isolationism used on this thread by the uniformed to describe his foreign policy, which is total nonsense.
He has a free trade policy, with the intent of friendship.
That is the opposite of isolationism. Look it up.

A non intervention policy means we do not go to war without provocation, and an Act Of Congress.

Just wanted to clear that up.


 Quoting: TEXAS UNCENSORED, nli 1550283


You can try and clear it up all you want to....but Ron Paul has MAJOR Foreign Policy issues. crazy

Spoken from his own mouth.


 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Tell me why, in your own words, you think Ron Paul has major issues with his foreign policy. Don't post me a video or an article by Rush Limbaugh or something, I am curious as to what YOU really think and why.

Also, and this is my opinion, you don't seem to be much of a RP supporter as I've noticed from you in the past. Who are you cheering on now, if anyone at all?
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The neocons have everyone brainwashed into thinking we have to "spread democracy" .....it's really for everyone's good, don't you know.
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Could it be that Ron Paul's foreign policy is foreign to them?

I don't think USAians actually realised, that being the world's greatest military power and Sheriff to the world, was costing the little taxpayers so much.

The corporations can afford all the top priced lawyers and tax experts to avoid tax, leaving the little people to wear the major tax burden.

I feel so sorry for the American taxpayer!

red_heart
 Quoting: Opinionated2


...or maybe we just consider it dangerous and contemptuous.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I think I will just punch you in the face as hard as I can before you do it to me..

There is a 0.00000000000000000000001 % chance you could teleport here and punch me first so Im going to smash your face first

Hypothetically speaking of course

Now you get why your logic is imbred garbage?
 Quoting: Ap0c@Lyp5e


Logic nor history are your strong points it seems.
(a nasty mouth and a penchant for violence seems to be though)

spock

As for examples....

- Would Hitler have left us alone?
- Would the Japanese Emperor Hirohito just left us alone?
- Would Khrushchev have left us alone in 1963 in Cuba?
- Would The Roman Empire have just left us alone?
- Would the Muslim CRUSADERS have just left us alone?

....it goes on and on throughout history.
That's just a few to scratch the surface.

History and HUMAN NATURE show that LAISSEZ-FAIRE policy (let it be) and ISOLATIONIST Foreign Policy NEVER WORK....ever.

One group or civilization is ALWAYS trying to SUBJUGATE the other.

MULTIPLE...MULTIPLE....MULTIPLE examples in history to prove this TRUTH and REALITY.

Reality that neither YOU, or RON PAUL seem to understand.


cluenort
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Ron Paul does not believe in war without a declaration of
war that only congress can issue.

Our troops would serve us better here at home and not
scattered around the globe.

You have kids?
Send your own children to undeclared unending wars for your masters to die.

Islam has been purposely radicalized so "we" have a reason
to take them out.

If you want something Oil/land/economic dominance that someone else has but you don't have an
excuse in the worlds eyes to take it without becoming the 'Nazis'(just plain evil) you must make them your enemy and once they have the 'gun' in there hand you
can attack saying "you all saw it, he had a gun"

Which country controls HAARP/EMF weapons? and your worried about cave dwellers and Iran that doesn't even have an airforce that can reach us?

The best offense is a good defense

Ron Paul believes in defense of our liberty and borders,

You do not
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The neocons have everyone brainwashed into thinking we have to "spread democracy" .....it's really for everyone's good, don't you know.
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LOL, yeh, at the point of a gun or cruise missile. Damned friendly and democratic of them.
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I really want to know why some people disagree with his views on our foreign policy
 Quoting: patdeez84


because it's anti-Semitic
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No it isn't. That's a silly statement, and a misinterpretation.

He does not want to give foreign aid to any country, and that happens to include Isreal. He does not intend to get involved with their internal business, or the internal business of any other country - meaning, mind our own business.
He does intend to be friendly with and trade with those countries.

How is that anti-senitic? Please do explain.
 Quoting: TEXAS UNCENSORED, nli 1550283


It's anti-'semitic' because Ron Paul wouldn't allow the US to be israels bitch anymore...
The universe has a way of balancing itself out despite the opposition. israel is in a tight spot, but they put themselves there, not us.
We are bankrupt! Why should we borrow from china to add to our taxes just to give it to israel or any other country.
Why does calling someone anti-'semitic' carry such weight among people anyway? If a jewish wants something and you say no your anti-semitic?
Mmm ok?
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Why don't you educate yourself rather than ask a STUPID FUCKING QUESTION LIKE THAT?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 946424


Well your the one who posted about them, I could care less what Iran does. What they do has no impact on my life or the us for that matter your warmongering isn't going to work here
 Quoting: patdeez84


Are you seriously THAT fucking stoooopid. They're enriching uranium like a mother fucker. STOP AND THINK for once. Do you really seriously not understand how your life will change WHEN IRAN NUKES ISRAEL and starts selling nuclear bomb components (and dirty bomb components) to terrorists who promise to use them against US???

Look dumbass, it's not ME that's warmongering. It's fucking IRAN and that will absolutely change all our lives if we don't put a stop to it right NOW!

Idiots like Paul supporters need a fresh dirty bomb sitting on their doorstep to get it through their fucking skulls that IRAN is a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE REST OF THE WORLD - and yes, that includes even YOU. How many more innocent American civilians must die before you bitches wake the fuck up???? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 946424


let the most powerful state with the most nukes in all of the middle east handle Iran, that would be israel. israel believes that we should sacrifice our children and resources like we did in Iraq. The world would be better today if we had never invaded Iraq, war with Iran would destroy what little is left of America.
 Quoting: brokenpuppet


American's are dying because they are stupid and superstitious. Iran is not a threat to the world realistically, spiritually its a black eye to Christian American and oil industry due to their oil bourse. Please read....................ANYTHING OTHER THAN PARANOID RIGHT WING BS!
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Iran is not gonna Nuke anybody. Israel can only survive by starting to treat their neighbours as equal and opening up their governmen and allow non jewish political parties. Their government now does not represent all the people.
There is no need for the US to have bases all over the world, except if they want to force cheap oil or other resource deals, force some kind of politics or force some kind of finance in a country.
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Because most Americans are stupid.
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BINGO!
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Vote for people that have a track record for loving your Constitution or lose your country forever!!!

Put down the damn touchy feely koolaid and WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!

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They have become accustomed to warmongering. People born after the early 70's have never known anything but war and saber rattling. They think it's normal to bully the rest of the world to suit the bankers and military industrial complex.
To touch on economics, they also have never used money backed by anything, so they don't realize how inflation has eaten away at the value of the dollar and it's purchasing power.

As for foreign policy, Ron Paul's policy is what was always intended, and a match for real American values. Our national defense is all it should be about. But, because the troops are overseas, and keeping them there has destroyed the economy, we are the weakest militarily that we have been in 100 years. That should scare the pants off of every thinking American.

We have to bring them home, and cut those borrowed expenditures. Immediately, the budget and deficit problem is improved. Immediately, they bring their money back into our economy.
Immediately, we are better protected as in national defense.
And, immediately, we have the money to refurbish and rebuild the military, which creates jobs.
that creates more economic stability, which also improves our national defense and security.

It's just common sense and simple math.
 Quoting: TEXAS UNCENSORED, nli 1550283



Exactly. I couldn't say it better.
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...or maybe we just consider it dangerous and contemptuous.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I think I will just punch you in the face as hard as I can before you do it to me..

There is a 0.00000000000000000000001 % chance you could teleport here and punch me first so Im going to smash your face first

Hypothetically speaking of course

Now you get why your logic is imbred garbage?
 Quoting: Ap0c@Lyp5e


Logic nor history are your strong points it seems.
(a nasty mouth and a penchant for violence seems to be though)

spock

As for examples....

- Would Hitler have left us alone?
- Would the Japanese Emperor Hirohito just left us alone?
- Would Khrushchev have left us alone in 1963 in Cuba?
- Would The Roman Empire have just left us alone?
- Would the Muslim CRUSADERS have just left us alone?

....it goes on and on throughout history.
That's just a few to scratch the surface.

History and HUMAN NATURE show that LAISSEZ-FAIRE policy (let it be) and ISOLATIONIST Foreign Policy NEVER WORK....ever.

One group or civilization is ALWAYS trying to SUBJUGATE the other.

MULTIPLE...MULTIPLE....MULTIPLE examples in history to prove this TRUTH and REALITY.

Reality that neither YOU, or RON PAUL seem to understand.


cluenort
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Ron Paul does not believe in war without a declaration of
war that only congress can issue.

Our troops would serve us better here at home and not
scattered around the globe.

You have kids?
Send your own children to undeclared unending wars for your masters to die.

Islam has been purposely radicalized so "we" have a reason
to take them out.

If you want something Oil/land/economic dominance that someone else has but you don't have an
excuse in the worlds eyes to take it without becoming the 'Nazis'(just plain evil) you must make them your enemy and once they have the 'gun' in there hand you
can attack saying "you all saw it, he had a gun"

Which country controls HAARP/EMF weapons? and your worried about cave dwellers and Iran that doesn't even have an airforce that can reach us?

The best offense is a good defense

Ron Paul believes in defense of our liberty and borders,

You do not
 Quoting: brokenpuppet


clappa
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Incorrect, Ron Paul is not an isolationist. He wants the US to stop going from country to country creating wars we can't afford and have no business being in. The only people benefiting from the unending wars are the elites in the banking and military industrial complex. The wars should stop and we, the US, should not be the world's police force.

If Paul were an isolationist he would be against free trade, which he absolutely is not. He is too pro-free market for me. The only way we are ever going to get manufacturing jobs back in the US is to end NAFTA. As long as companies can make products in China, Indonesia or Vietnam, for a fraction of the cost to manufacture in the US, and then ship it to Mexico and drive it freely into the US we are screwed.

Ron Paul's idea to fix this is to remove minimum wage and regulations on corporations so that the price of manufacturing in the US drastically drops. This is the purist form of capitalism possible and the result of a true and free market. However, this is not going to lead to fixing our economy. This will lead to sweatshops and basically slavery. People will have jobs alright, but they won't be happy for long.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550304


You were doing well until you said we will have sweatshops and slavery..

wow...

So if Ron Paul takes office we turn into Vietnam?

You are not too smart there buddy..

Try again
 Quoting: Ap0c@Lyp5e


Honestly this is not that difficult. I spelled it out already but I think there are so many shills here bashing Paul that even when someone who supports Paul makes a logical point it is immediately dismissed as shilling. As I said, I am in support of Paul myself, I simply do not agree with his belief in completely free markets. Paul would not end Nafta, nor would he try to renegotiate NAFTA.

As Paul himself has started he believes in deregulation and eliminating the minimum wage. This is his answer to manufacturing being cheaper overseas. By removing regulations and wage limits manufacturing jobs can be competitive over here but the reason is that people will be making less money. The employees will not be guaranteed raises nor safe working conditions. This is the very definition of sweatshops. Unregulated corporations will not pay reasonable wages and provide safe work environments out of the goodness of their hearts.

These workplace protections and benefits are exactly what make manufacturing jobs cheaper overseas. So in a sense Ron Paul's plan will return jobs to America. The problem is they will be these low wage, unsafe jobs and sooner or later the people will expect more. This is not the best solution. The best solution is to immediately end our participation in NAFTA.

We leave NAFTA and the jobs are now competitive. We start making corporations pay taxes/tariffs on all these imports and the jobs will come back. Capitalism is excellent when regulated, but is absolutely brutal to workers when unregulated. This is why the US middle class thrived for decades while being regulated. Over the last few administrations regulations have been removed and we have the economy to show it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550304


WITH OUR MONEY BEING WORTH MORE WITHOUT THE FED, AND NO MORE INFLATION, 5 DOLLARS AN HOUR WILL BE LIKE 15 NOW..

If you dont want to work for cheap then you get a damned degree and get a better job

Holy shit what a concept.

I can find you a hundred sweatshops in the US today,
look at meat packing plants..

sorry bud

your ron paul support is very weak
 Quoting: Ap0c@Lyp5e


Wow, I've never seen this before.. a reverse shill.
On the side of the thing he's fighting for, using poor grammar, capslock, and mindless pictures, thus making it look like RP supporters are idiots.
This is a new one.
By the way before you blast me with 10 unrelated pictures with various
1337 speak on them, I support Ron Paul.
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If you disagree with jewish people nowdays your anti-semitic.

If you don't want Israel to run America, your anti-semetic.
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Don't you all realize Ron Paul is a just another lithmus test; just like Obama. TPTB will only let him be elected (yes, they will pave the way) when it benefits them; this election might be the time (only if the israelis say they're ready to float nukes) because his election sets the stage for a firestorm on all fronts .. economic, social, militarily, internationally, etc. Do you assume the governmental branches will somehow acquiesce to Pauls "policies"?
You all hate Obama, and somehow overlook he's inundated on all sides by "those who refuse to let him succeed"; afterall, he was only elected because it was the only way democrats could take the presidency. And "NO", Hillary was not an option despite her potential ... TPTB cannot abide a woman at this time, but a black man would make sufficient fodder. And you idiots line up like Lemmings, thinking you are saving the world from "Obama" ... LOL!! Sad, sad people!!

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RooBiczCube
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Wrong.

If the exit polls show that we voted for Ron Paul by a landslide and he doesn't get the nomination we will definitely pick up our pitchforks. I don't think "they" are ready for that yet.

We're not all dumbed down.
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I think I will just punch you in the face as hard as I can before you do it to me..

There is a 0.00000000000000000000001 % chance you could teleport here and punch me first so Im going to smash your face first

Hypothetically speaking of course

Now you get why your logic is imbred garbage?
 Quoting: Ap0c@Lyp5e


Logic nor history are your strong points it seems.
(a nasty mouth and a penchant for violence seems to be though)

spock

As for examples....

- Would Hitler have left us alone?
- Would the Japanese Emperor Hirohito just left us alone?
- Would Khrushchev have left us alone in 1963 in Cuba?
- Would The Roman Empire have just left us alone?
- Would the Muslim CRUSADERS have just left us alone?

....it goes on and on throughout history.
That's just a few to scratch the surface.

History and HUMAN NATURE show that LAISSEZ-FAIRE policy (let it be) and ISOLATIONIST Foreign Policy NEVER WORK....ever.

One group or civilization is ALWAYS trying to SUBJUGATE the other.

MULTIPLE...MULTIPLE....MULTIPLE examples in history to prove this TRUTH and REALITY.

Reality that neither YOU, or RON PAUL seem to understand.


cluenort
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


spam
 Quoting: Ap0c@Lyp5e


I wrote all that out for your little brain to try and grasp...and that is your best intelligent reply?
WOW! crazy

dumbpeeps
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


- Would Hitler have left us alone? Yes
- Would the Japanese Emperor Hirohito just left us alone?
Definitely, yes
- Would Khrushchev have left us alone in 1963 in Cuba? Probably
- Would The Roman Empire have just left us alone?
Umm, does not apply
- Would the Muslim CRUSADERS have just left us alone?
Does not apply
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- Would Hitler have left us alone? Yes Ummm... no. He actually offered Mexico a piece of the USA for their cooperation.
- Would the Japanese Emperor Hirohito just left us alone?
Definitely, yes WTF? He bombed Pearl Harbor you dumbass!- Would Khrushchev have left us alone in 1963 in Cuba? Probably The nuclear missles were on a ship a few miles off Cuba and to be left pointing at us, and you don't think this was a power grab???- Would The Roman Empire have just left us alone?
Umm, does not apply The Romans conquered every single country worth conquering, and that political force still exists in the world today.- Would the Muslim CRUSADERS have just left us alone? Does not apply The Muslim crusaders are still around today, in case you haven't noticed.
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Shills LOSE again.. Totally destroyed!!
Judgement is coming..
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You were doing well until you said we will have sweatshops and slavery..

wow...

So if Ron Paul takes office we turn into Vietnam?

You are not too smart there buddy..

Try again
 Quoting: Ap0c@Lyp5e


Honestly this is not that difficult. I spelled it out already but I think there are so many shills here bashing Paul that even when someone who supports Paul makes a logical point it is immediately dismissed as shilling. As I said, I am in support of Paul myself, I simply do not agree with his belief in completely free markets. Paul would not end Nafta, nor would he try to renegotiate NAFTA.

As Paul himself has started he believes in deregulation and eliminating the minimum wage. This is his answer to manufacturing being cheaper overseas. By removing regulations and wage limits manufacturing jobs can be competitive over here but the reason is that people will be making less money. The employees will not be guaranteed raises nor safe working conditions. This is the very definition of sweatshops. Unregulated corporations will not pay reasonable wages and provide safe work environments out of the goodness of their hearts.

These workplace protections and benefits are exactly what make manufacturing jobs cheaper overseas. So in a sense Ron Paul's plan will return jobs to America. The problem is they will be these low wage, unsafe jobs and sooner or later the people will expect more. This is not the best solution. The best solution is to immediately end our participation in NAFTA.

We leave NAFTA and the jobs are now competitive. We start making corporations pay taxes/tariffs on all these imports and the jobs will come back. Capitalism is excellent when regulated, but is absolutely brutal to workers when unregulated. This is why the US middle class thrived for decades while being regulated. Over the last few administrations regulations have been removed and we have the economy to show it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550304


WITH OUR MONEY BEING WORTH MORE WITHOUT THE FED, AND NO MORE INFLATION, 5 DOLLARS AN HOUR WILL BE LIKE 15 NOW..

If you dont want to work for cheap then you get a damned degree and get a better job

Holy shit what a concept.

I can find you a hundred sweatshops in the US today,
look at meat packing plants..

sorry bud

your ron paul support is very weak
 Quoting: Ap0c@Lyp5e


Wow, I've never seen this before.. a reverse shill.
On the side of the thing he's fighting for, using poor grammar, capslock, and mindless pictures, thus making it look like RP supporters are idiots.
This is a new one.
By the way before you blast me with 10 unrelated pictures with various
1337 speak on them, I support Ron Paul.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1544141


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- Would Hitler have left us alone? Yes Ummm... no. He actually offered Mexico a piece of the USA for their cooperation.
- Would the Japanese Emperor Hirohito just left us alone?
Definitely, yes WTF? He bombed Pearl Harbor you dumbass!- Would Khrushchev have left us alone in 1963 in Cuba? Probably The nuclear missles were on a ship a few miles off Cuba and to be left pointing at us, and you don't think this was a power grab???- Would The Roman Empire have just left us alone?
Umm, does not apply The Romans conquered every single country worth conquering, and that political force still exists in the world today.- Would the Muslim CRUSADERS have just left us alone? Does not apply The Muslim crusaders are still around today, in case you haven't noticed.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550551


hitler followed japan. japan attacked because of the oil embargo. oil embargo was put in place because? think about it

mexico? they helped the USA. the nazis were free to offer anything they wanted, it doesn't mean anyting

cuba? after USA planted missiles in who's backyard? again, why where these missiles placed in someone's backyard? think about it
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... he has NO understanding of the muslim mind ...
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... muslims are now ALL people groups BUT they are guided by their book ...
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... Paul has NO idea what's in there and has NO understanding of the world-wide caliphate that is in the making ...
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The only people who don't like his foreign policy are a bunch of chest-beatering liberal neo-cons who have no idea...
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That would be chest beating NEO liberal neo-cons.

Went right over your head, didnt it?
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How about stop pointing fingers, and fix the damn problem? The sooner you stop indentifying with some party label, the sooner we can fix things. Now there's a novel idea...
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I didnt make up those labels,,, they have specific meanings that transcend US 2 party squabbling. In fact, they are international...
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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked (over and over), and then denounce (over and over) the pacifists(Dr Paul) for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." ~ Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials.

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... he has NO understanding of the muslim mind ...
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... muslims are now ALL people groups BUT they are guided by their book ...
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... Paul has NO idea what's in there and has NO understanding of the world-wide caliphate that is in the making ...
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World wide caliphate? This from people who live in mud huts and herd goats? This from people who can hardly agree on anything except they don't like Israel? This from countries whose combined military power couldn't successfully invade Portugal?

They have no navy, no capability to project power, no technology of their own and no economic power. What exactly are you scared of and why?
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Re: Why do some people not like Ron Paul's Foreign Policy
I suspect that Ron Paul's stance on staying out of conflicts would be more rational than you seem to be expressing here.

Firstly, you have to remember he will be given the same advice that other Presidents have...He just might find different or maybe even better solutions.

As for examples....

- Would Hitler have left us alone?
- Would the Japanese Emperor Hirohito just left us alone?
- Would Khrushchev have left us alone in 1963 in Cuba?
- Would The Roman Empire have just left us alone?
- Would the Muslim CRUSADERS have just left us alone?

 Quoting: Burt Gummer


So to your points

- Would Hitler have left us alone?

Hitler wanted Europe! There is a theory however that if he he had managed to overrun Russia, he would have been a far bigger threat to the USA. But why would that worry you? Sarah Palin could watch him from her kitchen window as part of her foreign policy credentials... Sorry only joking!

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However, Hitler was a megalomaniac and if he had defeated Russia, Europe and Britain he probably would have wanted it all! The tripartite pact of 1940 certainly put all of the world under threat!

But putting this in as an argument against Ron Paul (in current times) is rather a long bow with a tiny arrow!

- Would the Japanese Emperor Hirohito just left us alone?

As Germany, Italy and Japan had signed the tripartite pact of 1940 Well NO! Hence the bombing of Pearl Harbour on the 7th Dec 1941. But, you have no idea how Ron Paul would have responded in these circumstances. Under his leadership America might have been more ready due to his attitude to security at home.

Who really knows?

- Would Khrushchev have left us alone in 1963 in Cuba?

Probably not, BUT would Ron Paul have responded - probably! Remember he will be getting advice from the military and other advisors. But would he have launched the "Bay of Pigs" - probably not!

- Would The Roman Empire have just left us alone?

I thought they did. You were ruled by the Brits prior to the War of Independence...lol

- Would the Muslim CRUSADERS have just left us alone?

Probably, they had no way of getting to you at the time. PLUS if you aren't of Native American extraction... your family wasn't there at the time!

Here is one view - [link to answering-islam.org]

However, one thing you didn't mention was that Palestine actually supported Germany in WW2. This actually might support the case you make although how you weave Ron Paul into it is a little befuddling.

Here is one view - [link to www.palestinefacts.org]

History and HUMAN NATURE show that LAISSEZ-FAIRE policy (let it be) and ISOLATIONIST Foreign Policy NEVER WORK....ever.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Is it fair to call Ron Paul's policies LAISSEZ-FAIRE, and ISOLATIONIST I thought he said he would communicate with them openly.

Obviously this could fail, but intervention isn't working either. Is the world a safer place today than 10 years ago? Probably not!

A lot rests on this next USA election, so I hope you guys manage to get it right!

Sorry I am just an outsider looking in, but surely we all need to stay calm and rational in these uncertain times, and be less parochial and over emotional.

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Re: Why do some people not like Ron Paul's Foreign Policy
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... he has NO understanding of the muslim mind ...
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... muslims are now ALL people groups BUT they are guided by their book ...
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... Paul has NO idea what's in there and has NO understanding of the world-wide caliphate that is in the making ...
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 Quoting: Wisconsin


World wide caliphate? This from people who live in mud huts and herd goats? This from people who can hardly agree on anything except they don't like Israel? This from countries whose combined military power couldn't successfully invade Portugal?

They have no navy, no capability to project power, no technology of their own and no economic power. What exactly are you scared of and why?
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... you are describing their sheep ...
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... you are not describing the opulent lifestyle of the ruling class ...
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... the agenda of the religious leaders ...
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... and weapon deliver is NOT dependent on a navy ...
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... I don't want to be told to bow down to allah five times a day and live under sharia law ...
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... maybe you do ... I DON"T ...
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