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Complexity of Influence - and Light that Does not Travel - Toroidal Manifestation

 
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This is a little frustrating. I have an image in my head that concerns light...but I have no idea of how to explain it.
 Quoting: SickScent


O my Lord, O primeval philosopher, maintainer of the universe, O
regulating principle, destination of the pure devotees, well-wisher of
the progenitors of mankind--please remove the effulgence of Your
transcendental rays so that I can see Your form of bliss.
You are the
eternal Supreme Personality of Godhead, like unto the sun, as am I.

Sri Isopanisad, #16; A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada


In purport:

The brahmajyoti is also described in Brahma-samhita, where it is
said that the brahmajyoti is the rays emanating from that supreme
spiritual planet, Goloka Vrndavana, just as the sun's rays emanate from
the sun globe. Until one surpasses the glare of the brahmajyoti, he
cannot receive information of the land of the Lord.
Being blinded by the
dazzling brahmajyoti, the impersonalist philosopher can neither realize
the factual abode of the Lord nor His transcendental form. Limited by
their poor fund of knowledge, such impersonalist thinkers cannot
understand the all-blissful transcendental form of Lord Krsna. In this
prayer, therefore, Sri Isopanisad petitions the Lord to remove the
effulgent rays of the brahmajyoti so that the pure devotee can see His
all-blissful transcendental form.


Focus on the Source, not on the emanations.
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This is a little frustrating. I have an image in my head that concerns light...but I have no idea of how to explain it.
 Quoting: SickScent


O my Lord, O primeval philosopher, maintainer of the universe, O
regulating principle, destination of the pure devotees, well-wisher of
the progenitors of mankind--please remove the effulgence of Your
transcendental rays so that I can see Your form of bliss.
You are the
eternal Supreme Personality of Godhead, like unto the sun, as am I.

Sri Isopanisad, #16; A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada


In purport:

The brahmajyoti is also described in Brahma-samhita, where it is
said that the brahmajyoti is the rays emanating from that supreme
spiritual planet, Goloka Vrndavana, just as the sun's rays emanate from
the sun globe. Until one surpasses the glare of the brahmajyoti, he
cannot receive information of the land of the Lord.
Being blinded by the
dazzling brahmajyoti, the impersonalist philosopher can neither realize
the factual abode of the Lord nor His transcendental form. Limited by
their poor fund of knowledge, such impersonalist thinkers cannot
understand the all-blissful transcendental form of Lord Krsna. In this
prayer, therefore, Sri Isopanisad petitions the Lord to remove the
effulgent rays of the brahmajyoti so that the pure devotee can see His
all-blissful transcendental form.


Focus on the Source, not on the emanations.
 Quoting: just a dude



Yes, this is the case.

The emanation is actually there to blind one from seeing the supreme without surrender first. It serves as a veil, and a barrier for impersonalists.


The Brahma-jyoti is actually the attainment of Mayavadi impersonalists who believe that the Brahma-jyoti is the ultimate attainment.

But we have practical knowledge from self realized souls who have passed on their perfect knowledge, that the Brahma-jyoti is actually the impersonal effulegence.


Recently, by the grace of the Lord, I have had the veil removed and have been able to render increasing devotional service to purify myself of material desires.

That is why I spend time that is not being absorbed in increasing my spiritual knowledge at GLP trying to render any tiny bit of devotional service to any lucky soul who is fortunate enough to come to the level of the impersonal brahman.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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This is a little frustrating. I have an image in my head that concerns light...but I have no idea of how to explain it.
 Quoting: SickScent


O my Lord, O primeval philosopher, maintainer of the universe, O
regulating principle, destination of the pure devotees, well-wisher of
the progenitors of mankind--please remove the effulgence of Your
transcendental rays so that I can see Your form of bliss.
You are the
eternal Supreme Personality of Godhead, like unto the sun, as am I.

Sri Isopanisad, #16; A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada


In purport:

The brahmajyoti is also described in Brahma-samhita, where it is
said that the brahmajyoti is the rays emanating from that supreme
spiritual planet, Goloka Vrndavana, just as the sun's rays emanate from
the sun globe. Until one surpasses the glare of the brahmajyoti, he
cannot receive information of the land of the Lord.
Being blinded by the
dazzling brahmajyoti, the impersonalist philosopher can neither realize
the factual abode of the Lord nor His transcendental form. Limited by
their poor fund of knowledge, such impersonalist thinkers cannot
understand the all-blissful transcendental form of Lord Krsna. In this
prayer, therefore, Sri Isopanisad petitions the Lord to remove the
effulgent rays of the brahmajyoti so that the pure devotee can see His
all-blissful transcendental form.


Focus on the Source, not on the emanations.

 Quoting: just a dude


Yes, I have been going back and forth between the two. Amazed at what I 'see'. Or how I understand it. I completely understand what is meant by the Source being everything. How it is beyond us...before us...and IS us. And to imagine this Source being 'conscious' is indescribable. To try and imagine something 'conscious', that not only makes up the material, but US as well, is just...is just absolutely beautiful beyond description.

It makes me wonder where in the process of my growth I am at. Where to go from here, in as far as what this 'conscious' Source that is me, yet is also so, so much more, has in store for me.

And, I wonder how many others can see this so completely. To be able to somehow share it...would be an awesome feat.
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This is a little frustrating. I have an image in my head that concerns light...but I have no idea of how to explain it.
 Quoting: SickScent


O my Lord, O primeval philosopher, maintainer of the universe, O
regulating principle, destination of the pure devotees, well-wisher of
the progenitors of mankind--please remove the effulgence of Your
transcendental rays so that I can see Your form of bliss.
You are the
eternal Supreme Personality of Godhead, like unto the sun, as am I.

Sri Isopanisad, #16; A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada


In purport:

The brahmajyoti is also described in Brahma-samhita, where it is
said that the brahmajyoti is the rays emanating from that supreme
spiritual planet, Goloka Vrndavana, just as the sun's rays emanate from
the sun globe. Until one surpasses the glare of the brahmajyoti, he
cannot receive information of the land of the Lord.
Being blinded by the
dazzling brahmajyoti, the impersonalist philosopher can neither realize
the factual abode of the Lord nor His transcendental form. Limited by
their poor fund of knowledge, such impersonalist thinkers cannot
understand the all-blissful transcendental form of Lord Krsna. In this
prayer, therefore, Sri Isopanisad petitions the Lord to remove the
effulgent rays of the brahmajyoti so that the pure devotee can see His
all-blissful transcendental form.


Focus on the Source, not on the emanations.

 Quoting: just a dude


Yes, I have been going back and forth between the two. Amazed at what I 'see'. Or how I understand it. I completely understand what is meant by the Source being everything. How it is beyond us...before us...and IS us. And to imagine this Source being 'conscious' is indescribable. To try and imagine something 'conscious', that not only makes up the material, but US as well, is just...is just absolutely beautiful beyond description.

It makes me wonder where in the process of my growth I am at. Where to go from here, in as far as what this 'conscious' Source that is me, yet is also so, so much more, has in store for me.

And, I wonder how many others can see this so completely. To be able to somehow share it...would be an awesome feat.
 Quoting: SickScent


The growth actually never stops.

Spiritual growth is like a ramping up, a continuous experience of increasing bliss (Sat) , knowledge (Chit), and eventually eternity (Ananda).

Right now you already experience eternity, but it is divided into past, present and future.

You will continue to grow and grow. The Spiritual World is compared to a tree that produces ever newer fruits and leaves, never the same but still a tree.

You will eventually reach the understanding of your constitutional position, your original position as a living soul, and what that position entails.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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This is a little frustrating. I have an image in my head that concerns light...but I have no idea of how to explain it.
 Quoting: SickScent


O my Lord, O primeval philosopher, maintainer of the universe, O
regulating principle, destination of the pure devotees, well-wisher of
the progenitors of mankind--please remove the effulgence of Your
transcendental rays so that I can see Your form of bliss.
You are the
eternal Supreme Personality of Godhead, like unto the sun, as am I.

Sri Isopanisad, #16; A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada


In purport:

The brahmajyoti is also described in Brahma-samhita, where it is
said that the brahmajyoti is the rays emanating from that supreme
spiritual planet, Goloka Vrndavana, just as the sun's rays emanate from
the sun globe. Until one surpasses the glare of the brahmajyoti, he
cannot receive information of the land of the Lord.
Being blinded by the
dazzling brahmajyoti, the impersonalist philosopher can neither realize
the factual abode of the Lord nor His transcendental form. Limited by
their poor fund of knowledge, such impersonalist thinkers cannot
understand the all-blissful transcendental form of Lord Krsna. In this
prayer, therefore, Sri Isopanisad petitions the Lord to remove the
effulgent rays of the brahmajyoti so that the pure devotee can see His
all-blissful transcendental form.


Focus on the Source, not on the emanations.

 Quoting: just a dude


Yes, I have been going back and forth between the two. Amazed at what I 'see'. Or how I understand it. I completely understand what is meant by the Source being everything. How it is beyond us...before us...and IS us. And to imagine this Source being 'conscious' is indescribable. To try and imagine something 'conscious', that not only makes up the material, but US as well, is just...is just absolutely beautiful beyond description.

It makes me wonder where in the process of my growth I am at. Where to go from here, in as far as what this 'conscious' Source that is me, yet is also so, so much more, has in store for me.

And, I wonder how many others can see this so completely. To be able to somehow share it...would be an awesome feat.
 Quoting: SickScent


The growth actually never stops.

Spiritual growth is like a ramping up, a continuous experience of increasing bliss (Sat) , knowledge (Chit), and eventually eternity (Ananda).

Right now you already experience eternity, but it is divided into past, present and future.

You will continue to grow and grow. The Spiritual World is compared to a tree that produces ever newer fruits and leaves, never the same but still a tree.

You will eventually reach the understanding of your constitutional position, your original position as a living soul, and what that position entails.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Yes, I already know those concepts... thumbs
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O my Lord, O primeval philosopher, maintainer of the universe, O
regulating principle, destination of the pure devotees, well-wisher of
the progenitors of mankind--please remove the effulgence of Your
transcendental rays so that I can see Your form of bliss.
You are the
eternal Supreme Personality of Godhead, like unto the sun, as am I.

Sri Isopanisad, #16; A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada


In purport:

The brahmajyoti is also described in Brahma-samhita, where it is
said that the brahmajyoti is the rays emanating from that supreme
spiritual planet, Goloka Vrndavana, just as the sun's rays emanate from
the sun globe. Until one surpasses the glare of the brahmajyoti, he
cannot receive information of the land of the Lord.
Being blinded by the
dazzling brahmajyoti, the impersonalist philosopher can neither realize
the factual abode of the Lord nor His transcendental form. Limited by
their poor fund of knowledge, such impersonalist thinkers cannot
understand the all-blissful transcendental form of Lord Krsna. In this
prayer, therefore, Sri Isopanisad petitions the Lord to remove the
effulgent rays of the brahmajyoti so that the pure devotee can see His
all-blissful transcendental form.


Focus on the Source, not on the emanations.

 Quoting: just a dude


Yes, I have been going back and forth between the two. Amazed at what I 'see'. Or how I understand it. I completely understand what is meant by the Source being everything. How it is beyond us...before us...and IS us. And to imagine this Source being 'conscious' is indescribable. To try and imagine something 'conscious', that not only makes up the material, but US as well, is just...is just absolutely beautiful beyond description.

It makes me wonder where in the process of my growth I am at. Where to go from here, in as far as what this 'conscious' Source that is me, yet is also so, so much more, has in store for me.

And, I wonder how many others can see this so completely. To be able to somehow share it...would be an awesome feat.
 Quoting: SickScent


The growth actually never stops.

Spiritual growth is like a ramping up, a continuous experience of increasing bliss (Sat) , knowledge (Chit), and eventually eternity (Ananda).

Right now you already experience eternity, but it is divided into past, present and future.

You will continue to grow and grow. The Spiritual World is compared to a tree that produces ever newer fruits and leaves, never the same but still a tree.

You will eventually reach the understanding of your constitutional position, your original position as a living soul, and what that position entails.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Yes, I already know those concepts... thumbs
 Quoting: SickScent


Recently I've been more and more focused on the difference between conceptualizing and realizing.

Every day I read something and absorb it, but often times it isn't until much later that it becomes "Real" or "Real-ized".

The process of realization is actually speeding up.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Another important thing to understand is that the Absolute Supreme Consciousness has everything that we have, but in greater amounts.

Any quality that we possess, has to be possessed in the greatest quantities by the SOURCE of the qualities.

Me and you possess a limited amount of independence, but the Supreme Absolute Source of Consciousness has independence in unlimited amounts.

Me and you possess a limited amount of knowledge, but the Supreme Absolute Source of Consciousness has knowledge in unlimited amounts.

We also possess personality. The Supreme Absolute has Unlimited personality.

If we possessed personality and the source did not, then we would be Supreme over the source.

Last Edited by SaveTheLivingEntities on 09/21/2011 01:03 PM
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

Thread: YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF ALL YOUR PAST LIVES ***Transmigration of the Soul: Proof of Re-Incarnation*** ( 11 part video documentary ) link for thread
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Interesting prayer asking the Supreme to remove the blinding light....


It always knocks me out of form...working on approaching with my eyes closed.


"What are you doing?"

"Averting my eyes oh Lord!"

"Well don't!"

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Interesting prayer asking the Supreme to remove the blinding light....


It always knocks me out of form...working on approaching with my eyes closed.


"What are you doing?"

"Averting my eyes oh Lord!"

"Well don't!"

banana2
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Exactly, got a mental bitch slap from the crazy lady whut done it all who said, don't look away, you're a partner in this, not a peon! once. :) Eris, the Goddess of those who get the grand joke of the universe. I love her so...
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com
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Interesting prayer asking the Supreme to remove the blinding light....


It always knocks me out of form...working on approaching with my eyes closed.


"What are you doing?"

"Averting my eyes oh Lord!"

"Well don't!"

banana2
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Exactly, got a mental bitch slap from the crazy lady whut done it all who said, don't look away, you're a partner in this, not a peon! once. :) Eris, the Goddess of those who get the grand joke of the universe. I love her so...
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Yeah she laughed at me too =)
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Interesting prayer asking the Supreme to remove the blinding light....


It always knocks me out of form...working on approaching with my eyes closed.


"What are you doing?"

"Averting my eyes oh Lord!"

"Well don't!"

banana2
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


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Interesting prayer asking the Supreme to remove the blinding light....


It always knocks me out of form...working on approaching with my eyes closed.


"What are you doing?"

"Averting my eyes oh Lord!"

"Well don't!"

banana2
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Exactly, got a mental bitch slap from the crazy lady whut done it all who said, don't look away, you're a partner in this, not a peon! once. :) Eris, the Goddess of those who get the grand joke of the universe. I love her so...
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge

Yeah she laughed at me too =)
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex

Hey, we're lucky... her laughter's better than a hug from Daddy, lmao :)
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com
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Yeah she laughed at me too =)
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge

Hey, we're lucky... her laughter's better than a hug from Daddy, lmao :)


.......tissue I want a hug from Daddy too!



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Yeah she laughed at me too =)
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge

Hey, we're lucky... her laughter's better than a hug from Daddy, lmao :)
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


.......tissue I want a hug from Daddy too!



chuckle


Not me, I'll own it... It's my one girl thing, being mostly emotionally male/physically female... well, emotionally "gay" male, lmao. I think that's why I empathize. If I'd been physically male, my path would have been much harder. But the girl thing? Daddy issues... serious Daddy issues. :)
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com
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Not me, I'll own it... It's my one girl thing, being mostly emotionally male/physically female... well, emotionally "gay" male, lmao. I think that's why I empathize. If I'd been physically male, my path would have been much harder. But the girl thing? Daddy issues... serious Daddy issues. :)
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge

As I have experienced Them, Mother/Father god as One Being differentiating for the purposes of creation.


Appearing as this or that to make us face our assumptions ;)

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Not me, I'll own it... It's my one girl thing, being mostly emotionally male/physically female... well, emotionally "gay" male, lmao. I think that's why I empathize. If I'd been physically male, my path would have been much harder. But the girl thing? Daddy issues... serious Daddy issues. :)
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge

As I have experienced Them, Mother/Father god as One Being differentiating for the purposes of creation.


Appearing as this or that to make us face our assumptions ;)
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Well, BIG Daddy knows we're good... but my nature annoys him, not to the point he wants to smite me or anything. I'm loved, but Mom gets me, she really, really gets me, lol. Big Daddy's afraid I'll put peanut butter on his toilet seat and Mom will laugh about it, lol.
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Not me, I'll own it... It's my one girl thing, being mostly emotionally male/physically female... well, emotionally "gay" male, lmao. I think that's why I empathize. If I'd been physically male, my path would have been much harder. But the girl thing? Daddy issues... serious Daddy issues. :)
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As I have experienced Them, Mother/Father god as One Being differentiating for the purposes of creation.


Appearing as this or that to make us face our assumptions ;)
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Well, BIG Daddy knows we're good... but my nature annoys him, not to the point he wants to smite me or anything. I'm loved, but Mom gets me, she really, really gets me, lol. Big Daddy's afraid I'll put peanut butter on his toilet seat and Mom will laugh about it, lol.
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laugh
This is my day, there are many like it...but this one is mine.
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This is a little frustrating. I have an image in my head that concerns light...but I have no idea of how to explain it.
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Dew you ever use the verbalization technique? hmm

It helps to "talk" about it over-and-over until you finite it, then you can describe it. thumbs

Verbalizaion is the secret to "Walking & chewing bubble gum."

Walking = Talking
Chewing = Thinking
Bubble Gum = Question

Just be careful, it's what drove Professor John Nash nuk'n futz. goofytoad

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That is called Transcendental. It transcends regular expression.

There is reality just like this one, but transcendental in nature. We are not aware of it by regular senses.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


BTW, I loved your PM, Saves.
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I had a feeling it would reach your soul!

You see there are 2 kinds of happiness, false and real.

False happiness involves satisfying the senses of the body, and the mental body.

But real happiness involves satisfying the Soul, and the soul is satisfied by Knowledge.

Knowledge is something that is absolute and transcendental in nature, not something relative.
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I realize that with your use of the werd "knowledge" you are referring to truthful knowledge, but that is what's known as THE TRUTH, because the Truth is knowledge but knowledge isn't necessarily the Truth. thumbs

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This is a little frustrating. I have an image in my head that concerns light...but I have no idea of how to explain it.
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O my Lord, O primeval philosopher, maintainer of the universe, O
regulating principle, destination of the pure devotees, well-wisher of
the progenitors of mankind--please remove the effulgence of Your
transcendental rays so that I can see Your form of bliss.
You are the
eternal Supreme Personality of Godhead, like unto the sun, as am I.

Sri Isopanisad, #16; A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada


In purport:

The brahmajyoti is also described in Brahma-samhita, where it is
said that the brahmajyoti is the rays emanating from that supreme
spiritual planet, Goloka Vrndavana, just as the sun's rays emanate from
the sun globe. Until one surpasses the glare of the brahmajyoti, he
cannot receive information of the land of the Lord.
Being blinded by the
dazzling brahmajyoti, the impersonalist philosopher can neither realize
the factual abode of the Lord nor His transcendental form. Limited by
their poor fund of knowledge, such impersonalist thinkers cannot
understand the all-blissful transcendental form of Lord Krsna. In this
prayer, therefore, Sri Isopanisad petitions the Lord to remove the
effulgent rays of the brahmajyoti so that the pure devotee can see His
all-blissful transcendental form.


Focus on the Source, not on the emanations.

 Quoting: just a dude


Yes, I have been going back and forth between the two. Amazed at what I 'see'. Or how I understand it. I completely understand what is meant by the Source being everything. How it is beyond us...before us...and IS us. And to imagine this Source being 'conscious' is indescribable. To try and imagine something 'conscious', that not only makes up the material, but US as well, is just...is just absolutely beautiful beyond description.

It makes me wonder where in the process of my growth I am at. Where to go from here, in as far as what this 'conscious' Source that is me, yet is also so, so much more, has in store for me.

And, I wonder how many others can see this so completely. To be able to somehow share it...would be an awesome feat.
 Quoting: SickScent


Absolutely Pee on! cheeron

As to worrying about where you are or where you are going, don't! It only confuses the senses. Concentrate on the Now and the Then will happen. 2thumbsUp

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Not me, I'll own it... It's my one girl thing, being mostly emotionally male/physically female... well, emotionally "gay" male, lmao. I think that's why I empathize. If I'd been physically male, my path would have been much harder. But the girl thing? Daddy issues... serious Daddy issues. :)
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge

As I have experienced Them, Mother/Father god as One Being differentiating for the purposes of creation.


Appearing as this or that to make us face our assumptions ;)
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Well, BIG Daddy knows we're good... but my nature annoys him, not to the point he wants to smite me or anything. I'm loved, but Mom gets me, she really, really gets me, lol. Big Daddy's afraid I'll put peanut butter on his toilet seat and Mom will laugh about it, lol.
 Quoting: Queen Bea of Useless Knowledge


Don't forget to call in the dogs! lol22

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This is a little frustrating. I have an image in my head that concerns light...but I have no idea of how to explain it.
 Quoting: SickScent


O my Lord, O primeval philosopher, maintainer of the universe, O
regulating principle, destination of the pure devotees, well-wisher of
the progenitors of mankind--please remove the effulgence of Your
transcendental rays so that I can see Your form of bliss.
You are the
eternal Supreme Personality of Godhead, like unto the sun, as am I.

Sri Isopanisad, #16; A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada


In purport:

The brahmajyoti is also described in Brahma-samhita, where it is
said that the brahmajyoti is the rays emanating from that supreme
spiritual planet, Goloka Vrndavana, just as the sun's rays emanate from
the sun globe. Until one surpasses the glare of the brahmajyoti, he
cannot receive information of the land of the Lord.
Being blinded by the
dazzling brahmajyoti, the impersonalist philosopher can neither realize
the factual abode of the Lord nor His transcendental form. Limited by
their poor fund of knowledge, such impersonalist thinkers cannot
understand the all-blissful transcendental form of Lord Krsna. In this
prayer, therefore, Sri Isopanisad petitions the Lord to remove the
effulgent rays of the brahmajyoti so that the pure devotee can see His
all-blissful transcendental form.


Focus on the Source, not on the emanations.

 Quoting: just a dude


Yes, I have been going back and forth between the two. Amazed at what I 'see'. Or how I understand it. I completely understand what is meant by the Source being everything. How it is beyond us...before us...and IS us. And to imagine this Source being 'conscious' is indescribable. To try and imagine something 'conscious', that not only makes up the material, but US as well, is just...is just absolutely beautiful beyond description.

It makes me wonder where in the process of my growth I am at. Where to go from here, in as far as what this 'conscious' Source that is me, yet is also so, so much more, has in store for me.

And, I wonder how many others can see this so completely. To be able to somehow share it...would be an awesome feat.
 Quoting: SickScent


Absolutely Pee on! cheeron

As to worrying about where you are or where you are going, don't! It only confuses the senses. Concentrate on the Now and the Then will happen. 2thumbsUp

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 Quoting: Butt Ugly Toad


"Truth & Love are like the opposite ends of a Rainbow, with all the beauty of God in-between, but don't waste your time trying to catch a Rainbow, catch Truth & Love first and the Rainbow will then come to You!" - Old Toad Proverb

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From the Seventh Chapter to the end of the Twelfth Chapter, Sri Krishna in detail reveals the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Now, the Lord Himself is further enlightening Arjuna. If one understands this chapter through the process of philosophical speculation, he will come to an understanding of devotional service. In the Thirteenth Chapter, it was clearly explained that by humbly developing knowledge one may possibly be freed from material entanglement. It has also been explained that it is due to association with the modes of nature that the living entity is entangled in this material world. Now, in this chapter, the Supreme Personality explains what those modes of nature are, how they act, how they bind and how they give liberation. The knowledge explained in this chapter is proclaimed by the Supreme Lord to be superior to the knowledge given so far in other chapters. By understanding this knowledge, various great sages attained perfection and transferred to the spiritual world. The Lord now explains the same knowledge in a better way. This knowledge is far, far superior to all other processes of knowledge thus far explained, and knowing this many attained perfection. Thus it is expected that one who understands this Fourteenth Chapter will attain perfection.


After acquiring perfect transcendental knowledge, one acquires qualitative equality with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, becoming free from the repetition of birth and death. One does not, however, lose his identity as an individual soul. It is understood from Vedic literature that the liberated souls who have reached the transcendental planets of the spiritual sky always look to the lotus feet of the Supreme Lord, being engaged in His transcendental loving service. So, even after liberation, the devotees do not lose their individual identities.

Generally, in the material world, whatever knowledge we get is contaminated by the three modes of material nature. Knowledge which is not contaminated by the three modes of nature is called transcendental knowledge. As soon as one is situated in that transcendental knowledge, he is on the same platform as the Supreme Person. Those who have no knowledge of the spiritual sky hold that after being freed from the material activities of the material form, this spiritual identity becomes formless, without any variegatedness. However, just as there is material variegatedness in this world, in the spiritual world there is also variegatedness. Those in ignorance of this think that spiritual existence is opposed to material variety. But actually, in the spiritual sky, one attains a spiritual form. There are spiritual activities, and the spiritual situation is called devotional life. That atmosphere is said to be uncontaminated, and there one is equal in quality with the Supreme Lord. To obtain such knowledge, one must develop all the spiritual qualities. One who thus develops the spiritual qualities is not affected either by the creation or by the destruction of the material world.


A.C. Bhakti-Vedanta Swami

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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This is an explanation of the world: everything that takes place is due to the combination of kshetra and kshetra-jna, the body and the spirit soul. This combination of material nature and the living entity is made possible by the Supreme Consciousness Himself. The mahat-tattva is the total cause of the total cosmic manifestation; and that total substance of the material cause, in which there are three modes of nature, is sometimes called Brahman. The Supreme Personality impregnates that total substance, and thus innumerable universes become possible. This total material substance, the mahat-tattwa, is described as Brahman in the Vedic literature. The Supreme Person impregnates that Brahman with the seeds of the living entities. The twenty-four elements, beginning from solid, liquid, plasma and air, are all material energy, and they constitute what is called mahad brahma, or the great Brahman, the material nature. As explained in the Seventh Chapter, beyond this there is another, superior nature -- the living entity. Into material nature the superior nature is mixed by the will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and thereafter all living entities are born of this material nature.


The scorpion lays its eggs in piles of rice, and sometimes it is said that the scorpion is born out of rice. But the rice is not the cause of the scorpion. Actually, the eggs were laid by the mother. Similarly, material nature is not the cause of the birth of the living entities. The seed is given by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and they only seem to come out as products of material nature. Thus every living entity, according to his past activities, has a different body, created by this material nature, so that the entity can enjoy or suffer according to his past deeds. The Lord is the cause of all the manifestations of living entities in this material world.


This is Truth, passed down from person to person in an unbroken chain from those who are self realized or who have heard from a perfected soul.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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black..... then...... white are...... all i see...... in my infancy...........

red and yellow then came to be.......

reaching out to me......

lets me see.......

as below so above and beyond i imagine........

to look through to these.......

infinite possibilities......

missing link/empty/void of words

tool lateralus. one of their greatest. aenema and others are good tooo.
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black..... then...... white are...... all i see...... in my infancy...........

red and yellow then came to be.......

reaching out to me......

lets me see.......

as below so above and beyond i imagine........

to look through to these.......

infinite possibilities......

missing link/empty/void of words

tool lateralus. one of their greatest. aenema and others are good tooo.
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Hell yeah.
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I feel a flux transfer event coming on....
This is my day, there are many like it...but this one is mine.
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I feel a flux transfer event coming on....
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uhoh
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I feel a flux transfer event coming on....
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uhoh
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Lots of work going on the in astral lately, been prepping people and towns all over the place.....
This is my day, there are many like it...but this one is mine.
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I feel a flux transfer event coming on....
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uhoh
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Lots of work going on the in astral lately, been prepping people and towns all over the place.....
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


I was doing a different kind of work...strange, thinking about it. I have been freeing them from the chains of belief they had created around themselves. This, is exactly what I have been doing...never thought about that before.

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