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What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?

 
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What's wrong with promoting a socialist authoritative regime?
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those that do not agree with the regime are imprisoned?
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10/24/2011 12:54 PM
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
no just heal them and love them, they will come around
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no just heal them and love them, they will come around
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Ahhhh...re-education camps...
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Anyone that doesn't love Moms, bacon, and dogs is clearly not human.
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10/24/2011 01:07 PM
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
the problem with socialism, simliar to all type of government, is that you allow yourself to be part of an authority system.

you should instead ask the question, how do we train the citizens of Earth not to need government?
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no just heal them and love them, they will come around
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Ahhhh...re-education camps...
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


why can't you re-educate with love

isn't that what is happening with the change of consciousness caused by our sun and our evolved hu-manity
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the problem with socialism, simliar to all type of government, is that you allow yourself to be part of an authority system.

you should instead ask the question, how do we train the citizens of Earth not to need government?
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do you mean self sufficient communities relying on bartering and cooperation
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
Sorry buddy, these type of societies have been tried and failed.

In the 70s many communities were created where everything was shared, and there were supposedly NO Social or Hierarchical structures....


Everybody was supposedly equal.....

Everybody had an equal say, and could address the group if they so chose and air any grievance they wanted......

All resources were shared.....



Thse communes ended in abject failure. WHY?

Because people are all different. Some people are OUTSPOKEN and AGGRESSIVE----while others are taciturn (that means they don't wish to speak)and shy. Introverted.


Guess what happened?


The outspoken and aggressive people began to dominate all the group discussions. Weak-willed people began to only listen to these outspoken peoples ideas....and of course those folks expressed more of them.


The more introverted people began to FEEEEEL OPPRESSED, like their voiced werent heard, or even listened to.


They became unhappy. Then the outspoken people became unhappy as they didn't understand why the introverts were unhappy.


So the lesson? Humans don't do well without Hierarchies. Even when you try and impose this, they will naturally form along these lines, like a pack of wolves. The dominate personalities will rise to the top...and the meaker personalities fall to the bottom.


Of course you could DRUG everyone into being happy and content like in the book, Brave New World.

That solves that!!!
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Sorry buddy, these type of societies have been tried and failed.

In the 70s many communities were created where everything was shared, and there were supposedly NO Social or Hierarchical structures....


Everybody was supposedly equal.....

Everybody had an equal say, and could address the group if they so chose and air any grievance they wanted......

All resources were shared.....



Thse communes ended in abject failure. WHY?

Because people are all different. Some people are OUTSPOKEN and AGGRESSIVE----while others are taciturn (that means they don't wish to speak)and shy. Introverted.


Guess what happened?


The outspoken and aggressive people began to dominate all the group discussions. Weak-willed people began to only listen to these outspoken peoples ideas....and of course those folks expressed more of them.


The more introverted people began to FEEEEEL OPPRESSED, like their voiced werent heard, or even listened to.


They became unhappy. Then the outspoken people became unhappy as they didn't understand why the introverts were unhappy.


So the lesson? Humans don't do well without Hierarchies. Even when you try and impose this, they will naturally form along these lines, like a pack of wolves. The dominate personalities will rise to the top...and the meaker personalities fall to the bottom.


Of course you could DRUG everyone into being happy and content like in the book, Brave New World.

That solves that!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1319764


your above statements are from an ego perspective

what if at least half the group or population were enlightened or one with spirit and had the gifts of healing, compassion and dicernement
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
Yes my comments above reflect a real-world actual example of when this was tried.

So if you have me apply a theoretic variable...the one you describe, I don't know what would happen.


It would probably go "better" than the last time it was tried.


But do you see what you are asking me to do. You are essentially saying:

"yes...but what IF a good percentage of the people were enlightened to this or that...? Would it work then?"


Perhaps. But we should reflect on the fact that the previous groups who tried this believed wholeheartedly that they were approaching this from an enlightened point of view.

They found out that their idea wasn't so enlightened.

Thats what I am saying. Watch this below:

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the problem with socialism, simliar to all type of government, is that you allow yourself to be part of an authority system.

you should instead ask the question, how do we train the citizens of Earth not to need government?
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good point
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10/26/2011 07:22 PM
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
Who's Utopia? cool2

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We get the powers over us that we've earned collectively. Humanity, as a whole, is self-interested, shallow, ignorant, violent and immoral; small wonder, therefore, that our leaders (secret or otherwise) reflect that. You want better leaders, become better people.

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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
Ideally, perhaps it would a good thing. However, too many humans are greedy, perverted, dysfunctional a**holes that would ruin it all.

That's why it won't work.

Take off the blinders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550446


You forgot lazy, the ones that think they deserve the same benefits as everyone without having to put in as much effort as everyone.

WAIT...

...that reminds me of something...

hmm
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10/27/2011 03:42 PM
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
OP, maybe hundreds of years from now, your plan might just work. In that regard, you are an idealist ahead of your time. The problem is, idealism is no good without addressing realism as well. People have been warlike and domineering since the dawn of man. What makes you think people are ready to handle this level of personal responsibility?

In fact, I'd say maybe thousands of years from now, we might be ready.
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10/27/2011 03:45 PM
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
Touch yerself

Do drugs

Parents money in case you really fuck up

Infantile sexual relationships

'Art' degrees

Assorted Faggotry of all kinds

New Age Religions we just made up yesterday

viva la revolution.


Socialism

Unity

Stop competing

cooperate

love yourself

love your enemy

blessing

Heaven on earth.

Before the pole shift and solar flare max.
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jacksprat (OP)

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10/29/2011 02:54 AM
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you sound like a hateful fascist shill, are you people still around?

Touch yerself

Do drugs

Parents money in case you really fuck up

Infantile sexual relationships

'Art' degrees

Assorted Faggotry of all kinds

New Age Religions we just made up yesterday

viva la revolution.


Socialism

Unity

Stop competing

cooperate

love yourself

love your enemy

blessing

Heaven on earth.

Before the pole shift and solar flare max.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1420740

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4137614

jacksprat
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bump
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bump
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yoda

Yes we Can

Be love

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peace
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
well i joined you in your commune..and me and my friends think you are lazy so you are on 1/2 rations.

and if you don't shape up it goes to 1/4 rations and confinement.
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cruise

clappa
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11/10/2012 07:00 AM
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well i joined you in your commune..and me and my friends think you are lazy so you are on 1/2 rations.

and if you don't shape up it goes to 1/4 rations and confinement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1379065


cruise

clappa
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4443279


who needs to work hard when we have free Tesla energy
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11/10/2012 07:00 AM

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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
pipe dream. It does not and never will exist on earth. It is about absolute control by a few elitists.
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11/10/2012 07:01 AM
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
pipe dream. It does not and never will exist on earth. It is about absolute control by a few elitists.
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what if you had enlightened leaders who loved themselves, nature and God.
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11/10/2012 07:03 AM
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
Because the psychopaths always gravitate to positions of power.

If there were no psychos it would be bliss.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1185535


You nailed it AC
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550446



Another item :

You cant educate dum stupid people , neither attack them as they are so stupid they will destroy themselves in order to preserve their system of shit ...

cool2
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Because the psychopaths always gravitate to positions of power.

If there were no psychos it would be bliss.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1185535


You nailed it AC
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550446



Another item :

You cant educate dum stupid people , neither attack them as they are so stupid they will destroy themselves in order to preserve their system of shit ...

cool2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27389069


why not? put them in use, work in the gardens, empower them, love them, heal them

cooperate

we are all one
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
socialism breeds dictators.

always has... always will.
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socialism breeds dictators.

always has... always will.
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not if the leaders are enlightened and had vision
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
Socialism

Unity

Stop competing

cooperate

love yourself

love your enemy

blessing

Heaven on earth.

Before the pole shift and solar flare max.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1420740



I am with ya!

Most minds cannot yet imagine a non competitive world without the survival of the fittest mentality.

I now choose to live in harmony with all creation, I have never wanted to compete with anyone. Why would I want something to the detriment of another? How can I enjoy having when others don't? We are affected by every soul that is in pain, when one loses, we all lose.

I choose to live in a world where all life is honoured and nurtured.

That's my vision. hf
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
Because the psychopaths always gravitate to positions of power.

If there were no psychos it would be bliss.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1185535


You nailed it AC
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550446



Another item :

You cant educate dum stupid people , neither attack them as they are so stupid they will destroy themselves in order to preserve their system of shit ...

cool2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27389069


why not? put them in use, work in the gardens, empower them, love them, heal them

cooperate

we are all one
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19286573


Try putting them in the garden ... they will prefer Obamas RF ID number of the beast tag & the fema camps ...

(Thats the problem) Assholes outnumber Smart asses 10 to 1 ! moshpit
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
Socialism

Unity

Stop competing

cooperate

love yourself

love your enemy

blessing

Heaven on earth.

Before the pole shift and solar flare max.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1420740



I am with ya!

Most minds cannot yet imagine a non competitive world without the survival of the fittest mentality.

I now choose to live in harmony with all creation, I have never wanted to compete with anyone. Why would I want something to the detriment of another? How can I enjoy having when others don't? We are affected by every soul that is in pain, when one loses, we all lose.

I choose to live in a world where all life is honoured and nurtured.

That's my vision. hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22621726


hfbump
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Re: What's wrong with promoting a socialist co-creative Utopia?
Socialism

Unity

Stop competing

cooperate

love yourself

love your enemy

blessing

Heaven on earth.

Before the pole shift and solar flare max.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1420740



I am with ya!

Most minds cannot yet imagine a non competitive world without the survival of the fittest mentality.

I now choose to live in harmony with all creation, I have never wanted to compete with anyone. Why would I want something to the detriment of another? How can I enjoy having when others don't? We are affected by every soul that is in pain, when one loses, we all lose.

I choose to live in a world where all life is honoured and nurtured.

That's my vision. hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22621726


why can't everyone think like you, is it that difficult

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