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jacksprat (OP) User ID: 1420740 Canada 10/24/2011 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the problem with socialism, simliar to all type of government, is that you allow yourself to be part of an authority system. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1517165 you should instead ask the question, how do we train the citizens of Earth not to need government? do you mean self sufficient communities relying on bartering and cooperation jacksprat |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1319764 United States 10/24/2011 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry buddy, these type of societies have been tried and failed. In the 70s many communities were created where everything was shared, and there were supposedly NO Social or Hierarchical structures.... Everybody was supposedly equal..... Everybody had an equal say, and could address the group if they so chose and air any grievance they wanted...... All resources were shared..... Thse communes ended in abject failure. WHY? Because people are all different. Some people are OUTSPOKEN and AGGRESSIVE----while others are taciturn (that means they don't wish to speak)and shy. Introverted. Guess what happened? The outspoken and aggressive people began to dominate all the group discussions. Weak-willed people began to only listen to these outspoken peoples ideas....and of course those folks expressed more of them. The more introverted people began to FEEEEEL OPPRESSED, like their voiced werent heard, or even listened to. They became unhappy. Then the outspoken people became unhappy as they didn't understand why the introverts were unhappy. So the lesson? Humans don't do well without Hierarchies. Even when you try and impose this, they will naturally form along these lines, like a pack of wolves. The dominate personalities will rise to the top...and the meaker personalities fall to the bottom. Of course you could DRUG everyone into being happy and content like in the book, Brave New World. That solves that!!! |
jacksprat (OP) User ID: 1420740 Canada 10/24/2011 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry buddy, these type of societies have been tried and failed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1319764 In the 70s many communities were created where everything was shared, and there were supposedly NO Social or Hierarchical structures.... Everybody was supposedly equal..... Everybody had an equal say, and could address the group if they so chose and air any grievance they wanted...... All resources were shared..... Thse communes ended in abject failure. WHY? Because people are all different. Some people are OUTSPOKEN and AGGRESSIVE----while others are taciturn (that means they don't wish to speak)and shy. Introverted. Guess what happened? The outspoken and aggressive people began to dominate all the group discussions. Weak-willed people began to only listen to these outspoken peoples ideas....and of course those folks expressed more of them. The more introverted people began to FEEEEEL OPPRESSED, like their voiced werent heard, or even listened to. They became unhappy. Then the outspoken people became unhappy as they didn't understand why the introverts were unhappy. So the lesson? Humans don't do well without Hierarchies. Even when you try and impose this, they will naturally form along these lines, like a pack of wolves. The dominate personalities will rise to the top...and the meaker personalities fall to the bottom. Of course you could DRUG everyone into being happy and content like in the book, Brave New World. That solves that!!! your above statements are from an ego perspective what if at least half the group or population were enlightened or one with spirit and had the gifts of healing, compassion and dicernement jacksprat |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1319764 United States 10/24/2011 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes my comments above reflect a real-world actual example of when this was tried. So if you have me apply a theoretic variable...the one you describe, I don't know what would happen. It would probably go "better" than the last time it was tried. But do you see what you are asking me to do. You are essentially saying: "yes...but what IF a good percentage of the people were enlightened to this or that...? Would it work then?" Perhaps. But we should reflect on the fact that the previous groups who tried this believed wholeheartedly that they were approaching this from an enlightened point of view. They found out that their idea wasn't so enlightened. Thats what I am saying. Watch this below: |
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theSearchingJones User ID: 1100447 United States 10/26/2011 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who's Utopia? ty We get the powers over us that we've earned collectively. Humanity, as a whole, is self-interested, shallow, ignorant, violent and immoral; small wonder, therefore, that our leaders (secret or otherwise) reflect that. You want better leaders, become better people. I forgive myself, I Love myself, I'm sorry, Please forgive me, I forgive you, I love you, Thank you. God Bless You; I Bless You; Bless Yourself(~). Love is the answer ~ Peace be with You. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1397250 United States 10/27/2011 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ideally, perhaps it would a good thing. However, too many humans are greedy, perverted, dysfunctional a**holes that would ruin it all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550446 That's why it won't work. Take off the blinders. You forgot lazy, the ones that think they deserve the same benefits as everyone without having to put in as much effort as everyone. WAIT... ...that reminds me of something... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1294875 United States 10/27/2011 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, maybe hundreds of years from now, your plan might just work. In that regard, you are an idealist ahead of your time. The problem is, idealism is no good without addressing realism as well. People have been warlike and domineering since the dawn of man. What makes you think people are ready to handle this level of personal responsibility? In fact, I'd say maybe thousands of years from now, we might be ready. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27389069 Puerto Rico 11/10/2012 07:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because the psychopaths always gravitate to positions of power. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1185535 If there were no psychos it would be bliss. You nailed it AC Another item : You cant educate dum stupid people , neither attack them as they are so stupid they will destroy themselves in order to preserve their system of shit ... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19286573 Canada 11/10/2012 07:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because the psychopaths always gravitate to positions of power. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1185535 If there were no psychos it would be bliss. You nailed it AC Another item : You cant educate dum stupid people , neither attack them as they are so stupid they will destroy themselves in order to preserve their system of shit ... why not? put them in use, work in the gardens, empower them, love them, heal them cooperate we are all one |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22621726 Australia 11/10/2012 07:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Socialism Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1420740 Unity Stop competing cooperate love yourself love your enemy blessing Heaven on earth. Before the pole shift and solar flare max. I am with ya! Most minds cannot yet imagine a non competitive world without the survival of the fittest mentality. I now choose to live in harmony with all creation, I have never wanted to compete with anyone. Why would I want something to the detriment of another? How can I enjoy having when others don't? We are affected by every soul that is in pain, when one loses, we all lose. I choose to live in a world where all life is honoured and nurtured. That's my vision. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27389069 Puerto Rico 11/10/2012 07:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because the psychopaths always gravitate to positions of power. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1185535 If there were no psychos it would be bliss. You nailed it AC Another item : You cant educate dum stupid people , neither attack them as they are so stupid they will destroy themselves in order to preserve their system of shit ... why not? put them in use, work in the gardens, empower them, love them, heal them cooperate we are all one Try putting them in the garden ... they will prefer Obamas RF ID number of the beast tag & the fema camps ... (Thats the problem) Assholes outnumber Smart asses 10 to 1 ! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19286573 Canada 11/10/2012 07:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Socialism Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1420740 Unity Stop competing cooperate love yourself love your enemy blessing Heaven on earth. Before the pole shift and solar flare max. I am with ya! Most minds cannot yet imagine a non competitive world without the survival of the fittest mentality. I now choose to live in harmony with all creation, I have never wanted to compete with anyone. Why would I want something to the detriment of another? How can I enjoy having when others don't? We are affected by every soul that is in pain, when one loses, we all lose. I choose to live in a world where all life is honoured and nurtured. That's my vision. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19286573 Canada 11/10/2012 07:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Socialism Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1420740 Unity Stop competing cooperate love yourself love your enemy blessing Heaven on earth. Before the pole shift and solar flare max. I am with ya! Most minds cannot yet imagine a non competitive world without the survival of the fittest mentality. I now choose to live in harmony with all creation, I have never wanted to compete with anyone. Why would I want something to the detriment of another? How can I enjoy having when others don't? We are affected by every soul that is in pain, when one loses, we all lose. I choose to live in a world where all life is honoured and nurtured. That's my vision. why can't everyone think like you, is it that difficult |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22621726 Australia 11/10/2012 07:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Socialism Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1420740 Unity Stop competing cooperate love yourself love your enemy blessing Heaven on earth. Before the pole shift and solar flare max. I am with ya! Most minds cannot yet imagine a non competitive world without the survival of the fittest mentality. I now choose to live in harmony with all creation, I have never wanted to compete with anyone. Why would I want something to the detriment of another? How can I enjoy having when others don't? We are affected by every soul that is in pain, when one loses, we all lose. I choose to live in a world where all life is honoured and nurtured. That's my vision. why can't everyone think like you, is it that difficult We are living in interesting times, it seems there is a divide. Those who are choosing Love and those that are choosing fear. Fear holds on, Love lets go. I choose to let it all go, all the hate, greed, selfishness etc. Our earth mother is moving on and so am I. |
Cutbait User ID: 8075299 United States 11/10/2012 07:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am a bit cynical to the idea myself too. It might take a complete collapse of the present structure to open up to the idea collectively. One author and speaker named Don Tapscott has taken the idea to the corporate business world. Macrowikinomics [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] Food for thought |