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Yahweh and Jehowah are not names of God!!! That's another conspiracy against God!

 
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SACRED NAME OF GOD? or BLASPHEMY?
By Roger Hathaway

I genuinely appreciate that many people are attempting to take a sincere religious position by honoring a sacred name for God, like Yahweh. I think it is being done somewhat in reaction against the organized Christian churches which are nothing more than painted sepulchres. Unfortunately, most people are not aware that such "sacred?" names originated in non-Israelite pagan cultures of the Ancient Near East.

There is evidence that YHWH was the name of a god worshiped by neighboring races but there is no evidence that such a name was used by true Israelites in ancient times. From the historical evidence, it appears that the Edomites have given true Israelites one more fraud which some of our people have claimed with enthusiasm, even making it central to their religion. Here are some details of the history of the word YHWH.

It seems that the use of a personal name for God, specifically YHWH, came into practice during the captivities as some of the Israelites adopted this Aramaean deity. The name probably came officially to the Israelite religion when the Edomites joined the Jerusalem Temple about 150 years before Christ. There is evidence that Yahweh had been the Edomite's lord as far back as 1,400 BC. The oldest known appearance of the name YHWH outside the Holy Land was in Egypt about 1,400 BC where it is found on lists with five other sacred names. A Rameses II (1304-1237) list has it 6 times. In an Amon temple of AmenhotepIII (1417-1379 BC) the name is associated with Seir (Edom).


Other evidence places it with Syria at 1,400 BC. That was near the time of Moses. What is significant and important is that the Egyptian lists do not associate the name with the Israelites who were a nearby existing community at the time. Inside the Palestine area, the earliest appearance of the name is on the Mesha Stele (9th C. BC), a royal inscription, where Mesha, the king of Moab, recounts the favor of Moab's deity in delivering Moab from control of its neighbor, Israel. It appears to me that, since the name had been connected with Edom from the 14th C. BC, it probably became important to the Jerusalem Temple after the Edomites took that over, after they had been forced by John Hyrcanus to convert to the Hebrew religion in the Jerusalem Temple.

As we know, it was only a few years after their "conversion?" that the Edomites had taken over Jerusalem, the Temple, the region politics with their own Herod as king, and the economy. The Edomites would have been right at home with Babylonian Talmudic Phariseeism and may have already held that practice before they took over Jerusalem. That religion had a mystic branch of kabbalistic magic. The sacred name, YHWH, was a key to their magic. As legend has it, the sacred name of a deity is so powerful that the person who knows it then has the power to use that name to command the deity to grant his wishes. Of the fifty four sacred names in the Jewish kabbalah, the primary one is YHWH.

For the Edomites who had taken over the Jerusalem Temple and its religion, YHWH was a deity they had long worshipped as a part of their Pagan religion. Paganism was actually started by Cain, himself, and it stayed pretty much with the Cain race until spreading into Greece and Egypt and Italy. That Pagan mother-goddess religion was prevalent throughout the entire mid-east, each group having its own names for the deities. See my article on Paganism for the full history of it. Click on [link to remnantradio.org] It is likely that the name YHWH was used by Edom, along with Syria and Moab and perhaps some other close neighbors.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel never used any personal name to distinguish Him from any peers because He had no peers. Therefore, no personal name was ever needed. The only name He gave for Himself was "I am," which indicated that He is to be identified with all existence. The Greek Septuagint Old Testament of 285BC never used any sacred name for God, nor was such ever mentioned by other ancient writers such as the Israelite historians, Philo, and Josephus, or the later Eusebius, or even the Jewish Aristeas the Exegete who wrote his commentary on the Greek Septuagint. The word did not appear in any Old Testament text until the Masoretic Text of 1000AD!

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The only name He gave for Himself was "I am,"
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"I AM" is not God but the Messiah! The name of the biblical God is ...

God said to Moses,

"I AM WHO I AM" Exodus 3:14


It´s not the same. But you people keep babbling ...
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Did John Write Eleleu-ih (el-e-lu-ee) Mighty God Lives
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Alleluia, ...Praise the Egyptian moon god Yah
In Revelation 19

Dr. G. Reckart
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Hallelujah More Facts

Exhibit A

(Greek NT - Westcott-Hort ) Revelation 19:1 meta tauta hkousa wV fwnhn megalhn oclou pollou en tw ouranw legontwn allhlouia h swthria kai h doxa kai h dunamiV tou qeou hmwn.

(Greek NT - W-H ) Revelation 19:1 meta tauta hkousa wV fwnhn megalhn oclou pollou en tw ouranw legontwn allhlouia h swthria kai h doxa kai h dunamiV tou qeou hmwn .

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.

Exhibit B

(Greek NT - Ancient MSS) Revelation 19:1 meta tauta hkousa wV fwnhn megalhn oclou pollou en tw ouranw legontwn eleleu-ih swthria kai h doxa kai h dunamiV tou qeou hmwn.

(Greek NT - Ancient MSS) Revelation 19:1 meta tauta hkousa wV fwnhn megalhn oclou pollou en tw ouranw legontwn eleleu-ih swthria kai h doxa kai h dunamiV tou qeou hmwn .

And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, eleleu-ih; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.

In exhibit 1 the Greek text has allhlouia h translated as alleluia.
In exhibit 2 the Greek text has eleleu-ih which is not translated at all. Instead, this word is taken out of the Word of God and replaced with allhlouia h.

Note: you will discover that "allhlouia h" may have been an attempt to pronounce "eleleu-ih." Observe: alleluia--pronunced al - lay - loo - ee - ah (Strongs #239): hence allh-louia--allh is from ele; louia is from leu; and ia is a corruption of ih. Scholars have manipulated the true Greek word "eleleu-ih" into "alleluia" as a pronunciation. They did the same manipulative perversion on "sabachthanai" in Mat 27:46 and Mark 15:34! Then in perversion step #2 they take "alleluia" and make it into Hallelujah! Thus they have John hearing people in heaven speaking Aramaic and not Greek which he originally wrote down. Why would our Bible translators purposely pervert the ancient Word of God and replace "eleleu-ih" with "alleluia"? The word alleluia is not in the original writings of Revelation 19:1-6.

Below are some interesting comments from alleged scholars which I will use to prove "alleluia" and "hallelujah" are as false as a four dollar bill.

Adam Clarke Commentary on Revelation 19:1

NOTES ON CHAP. XIX.

Verse 1. I heard a great voice of much people in heaven] The idolatrous city being destroyed, and the blood of the martyred saints being avenged, there is a universal joy among the redeemed of the Lord, which they commence with the word hy wllh Hallelu-Yah, praise ye Jah or Jehovah; which the Septuagint, and St. John from them, put into Greek letters thus: allhlouia, Allelou-ia, a form of praise which the heathens appear (notice his opinion "APPEAR") to have borrowed from the jewish people, as is evident from their paeans, or hymns in honour of Apollo, which began and ended with eleleu ih, eleleu ie; a mere corruption of the Hebrew words."

Dr. Reckart Note: Why would ancient worshipers of Apollo be speaking Hebrew to a Greek god unless there was a connection between Paleo-Hebrew and Greek? And then, did they say eleleu ih, eleleu ie or alleluia? His charge that eleleu ih, eleleu ie are a corruption of a Hebrew word is false. What is that Hebrew word if it is a corruption? How neat he did not give it. What is false, is his claim that allelou-ia, a fabricated word, is the correct pronounciation of a Hebrew word. He offers no proof for his theory or statement. The word eleleu ih more then likely came from ancient antiquity when men still had in them a conscience of worship of the one true God in the original tongue of Adam (where Elohim, Eloah, and Eloih in full or contracted form was spoken). After the ancients departed from this Elohim God of the Bible, they used the same praise words for their idols, images, and gods. That pagan idols and images are called "elohim and elohims" is proof of using the name of God for false gods. The praise allelou-ia ( a fabricated word), is just as well a perversion since we find other Bible things perverted by Gentile nations. Eleleu ih (eleleu ie) could very well be an exact preservation in Greek of what the original Hebrew said but corrupted into alleluia when the Israelites and Gentiles worshipped in one form or another the pagan moon god Ia, Ya, Yah, or Jah.

What language did John hear the multitude speaking in heaven? Was it Spanish, Russian, Chinese, Italian, Greek, Paleo-Hebrew, Aramaic, or some other tongue? Notice John does not hear all of heaven in the Revelation 19 text; JUST A PARTICULAR MULTITUDE! Could this multitude be Greeks who were saved and whom John himself would end out his days as a Missionary? I believe so! John then would hear them speaking in their Greek tongue the ancient Paleo-Hebrew praise to God but now directed toward Jesus. Did not the jewish people take ancient praise, religious practices, and ceremonies and fashion them to worship other idols and gods they worshipped? Why of course they did! Did these perverted uses alter the once ancient sanctity of these praises to the true God? Of course not!

What does eleleu ih, eleleu ie mean?

"Eleleu!" is a cry of encouragement (from elelizo ele-lizo, meaning God or a god from ele (elohim) and "lizo" who lives (one who lives or is living); or anciently in Paleo-Hebrew MIGHTY GOD who lives. It is a rally cry like saying of Jesus "MIGHTY GOD, ...HE LIVES." So among the Greeks: to say "el-el-euih" to Apollo or some other god was to shout to one another that the god was mighty and lived, was alive! What did this multitude shout about Jesus whom John saw in heaven? Looking at Jesus on the throne: they shouted "eleleu (God lives, or our God is alive): salvation (soteria), and glory (doxa) , and honour (time), and power (dunamis), unto the Lord (Kurios) our God (theos)."

John heard: eleleu-ie; soteria, doxa, time, dunamis, Kurios theos.

HE IS MIGHTY GOD, HE IS ALIVE!

SALVATION, and GLORY, and HONOUR, and POWER, unto the LORD our GOD!

And they spoke Greek when they said all these words, for John wrote down Greek words they spoke to send to Greek speaking Churches! Why then would he write one alleged perverted Hebrew word among all these Greek words? If John did not write this alleged perverted Hebrew word, then who wrote it? Not only does it not make rational sense for Adam Clarke to make his claim, we know they did not say "alleluia" or "hallelujah." Did John hear the multitude speaking Greek? If he heard them speaking somw other language, why is it he wrote everything down in Greek? Notice that Adam Clarke tells us the Greeks used the praise "eleleu-ih or elelu-ie." Then he neatly fabicates like all the other perverters an excuse for the false word "alleluia, (Praise Yah the moon god; ...note: scholars say this means praise the Lord, thus calling the moon god lord)."

May I ask why Adam Clarke even confessed there were two ancient words (eleleu ih, eleleu ie) if they had no revelance to the praise now found in most Greek text since the time of Erasmaus and his Textus Receptus? Upon what authority or proof can it be said that "eleleu-ih and eleleu-ie" are a corruption of a Hebrew word and the correct Hebrew word is alleluia? Upon what authority can it be said that alleluia is the correct praise John heard and they were saying "PRAISE YAH TO A GOD WHOSE NAME WAS JESUS?

Is YAH, the name of the Egyptian moon god, going to be the new name of Jesus as some claim (Revelation 3:12)? When did Jesus begin to be called YAH? Where is the historical proof? Calling Jesus the moon god and praising him as such is applying Egyptian idolatry to our God and Savior!

This insane conjecture is used to justify the interpolation of "alleluia" into the Word of God and then make this heavenly saved multitude praise Jesus as the Egyptian Yah god! I do not beleive we would have this Yah praise to Jesus missing on earth in our Bible and then get to heaven and find out Jesus' name was really Yah and instead of saying "praise Jesus" we are now going to be saying hallelu-Yah to an Egyptian moon god!

Robertson's NT Word Studies

19:1 {After these things} (\meta tauta\). Often when a turn comes in this book. But Beckwith is probably correct in seeing in 19:1-5 the climax of chapter Re 18. This first voice (verses 1,2) \h“s ph“nˆn megalˆn ouchlou pollou\ (as it were great voice of much multitude) is probably the response of the angelic host (Re 5:11; Heb 12:22). There is responsive singing (grand chorus) as in chapters Re 4; 5. {Saying} (\legont“n\). Present active participle of \leg“\, genitive plural, though \ochlou\ is genitive singular (collective substantive, agreement in sense). {Hallelujah} (\Allˆlouia\). Transliteration of the Hebrew seen often in the Psalms (LXX) and in III. Macc. 7:13, in N.T. only in Re 19:1,3,4,6. It means, "Praise ye the Lord." Fifteen of the Psalms begin or end with this word. The Great Hallel (a title for Ps 104-109) is sung chiefly at the feasts of the passover and tabernacles. This psalm of praise uses language already in 12:10.

Dr. Reckart Note: Robertson stops short of mentioning the real Greek word John actually heard in heaven. He says "all-louia" and brackets "hallelujah" claiming this is a transliteration of Hebrew for praise the Lord. But who is this "Lord?" They say "ia" is the same as "Ya" and this is the same as "Yah." Thus they confess the Lord being praised is a god named "Yah." Now who is this "Yah" god they have the multitude in heaven praising? Where is Jesus? Did Jesus change his name to "Yah" in heaven? Yah is the Egyptian moon god. And this Yah was anciently worshiped by paganized Jewish Baalite worshipers. Is the God the multitude in heaven worships really a "Yah" god? I shudder to think God is Yah the moon god!

Interpretation from the Received Text

Greek239. allelouia, al-lay-loo'-ee-ah; of Heb. or. [imper. of Heb1984 and Heb3050]; praise ye Jah, an adoring exclamation:-alleluiah.

Dr. Reckart Note: Notice in this rendering alle is al-lay, loo is lou, and ee-ah is ia. Thus ee-ah is the pronounciaton of "ia" AND NOT YA OR YAH! These two letters are not "ya", the "i" in this word having the ee sound and not the "y" sound. Thus, "ia" is not Yah! It may be conjectured and opinioned to be "Yah" but that is only an opinion. To place an opinion in the text of Revelation 19:1-5 is then wrong.

The Greek followers of Apollo constantly sung the word "ieue" to his praise. This they did in the temple of Delphi, and they continued the same "ieue" praise in the Greek temples at Rome. Dr. Parkhurst takes this Greek praise and compares it to ".*-&-%"elulim" and then tries to make the Greek praise a plagerism of the Hebrew praise thus making them one and the same. He takes "%*-&-% (elluie) and in his personal opinion says it means Praise ye Jah— Eng. Marg. Hallelujah.

This concerns me because there is no evidence the worshipers of Apollo even knew of a Jewish praise to a Yah god! How could they come to use a praise to a "Yah" god and yet this "Yah" god is no where mentioned? And why would they be praising a Yah god when they were supposed to be praising Apollo? Surely it would he something like "alleluapollo" if they were praising Apollo! Let some better educated scholar step forth out of the moldy, dusty, halls of these higher schools of learning and show us "eleleu ie" was the Greeks saying Praise Yah! Just step right out and prove it!

According to some scribes the Greek worship word "elluie" is contained in the original Septuagint (LXX) in the Psalms passages they now have interpolated "alleluia" also. Can men ever keep their nasty hands off the Word of God and let it say what it really said? Why must they pervert the very Word of God to make their traditions have validity? It would do honest scholars well to put this Greek shout back in the Word of God where they now have "alleluia" interpolated.

According to these alleged Greek experts, the Apollo worshipers were influenced to use a Jewish word in worship of their idol. This is a joke! Making the Greek praise into a Hebrew/Aramaic praise is a perposterous presupposition and is borderline philological insanity. Some took this Greek word and transposed upon it the Hebrew, and from this solemn form of excitement, which, no doubt, existed prior to the time of David, the ancient Greeks plainly said Eleleu Ih (eleleu ie he lives!). I personally believe the Philistines were the same as the Phoenicians and these spoke the same language as the jewish people, the jewish people adopting this language between 1100-900BC, and when the Phoenicians invaded ancient Greece the word eleleuie remained in the Greek language unchanged from the ancient Paleo Hebrew of that era. The jewish people changed languages and adopted Aramaic and lost many of the old words. Eleleuie was one they lost and replaced with the paganized hallelu-yah to the yah moon god. The Greeks took a natural word of worship and praise in their language and used it in their Pæans or Hymns in their praise of an idol named Apollo. John heard this same word being offered up to Jesus: Eleleuie---HE LIVES! This shows the nations, especially the Greek ones, had transferred to Jesus their worship that he it was who was the LIVING God and who brought salvation, glory, and honour.

C.H. Spurgeon, Psalms 147, Treasury of David

Ver. 1. Praise ye the Lord. Alleluia. An expression in sound very similar to this seems to have been used by many nations, who can hardly be supposed to have borrowed it from the jewish people. Is it impossible that this is one of the most ancient expressions of devotion? From the Greeks using eleleu ih, as a solemn beginning and ending of their hymns to Apollo, it should seem that they knew it; it is said also to have been heard among the Indians in America, and Alia, Alla, as the name of God, is used in great part of the East: also in composition. What might be the primitive stock which has furnished such spreading branches? —Augustin Calmer, 1672-1757 (C.H. Spurgeon, Psalms 147, Treasury of David).

Dr. Reckart Note: Isn't it interesting that Calmer says Praise ye the Lord is the same as "alleluia" as found in Revelation 19, and then when he tries to justify this word he falls flat on his face. He must admit the word can hardly be supposed to have been borrowed from the jewish people. Yea, he says "impossible." He then feels humbled that he must confess the word "alleluia" is a fabrication replacing the Greek "eleleu ih" which was a solemn word in the hymns of Apollo. Now lest some of you with unordinary and impossible minds think this is nasty, pagan, and borrowing something from the heathens to worship God; let me remind you there are many Greek religious words used to convey not only Christian revelation, these words brought to the Greeks a new realm of spiritual enlightenment when the Apostles used them in conjunction to the Gospel of Jesus Messieh.

Take the word "Christ" from the Greek "Christos." This word in the Greek means anointed, to be anointed, to undergo some form of religious ritual where special oils, fragrance, or the like was placed upon a person or thing. All pagan priest and priestess had a christos ritual. There were different kinds of christos anointings. Here comes the Apostles and takes this word to describe the King of Israel who was the Messieh and Saviour of the world. They used this Greek word to describe the special priesthood of Jesus and his Jewish anointing. The Greeks understood that other religions had their own christos observances. When the Apostles came preaching that Jesus was the Christos of the jewish people, the Greeks perfectly understood what this meant. We do not get the night sweats that this pagan word was used to give the Greeks a higher enlightenment and revelation. Take the word "baptizo" (Baptizo or Baptism) was used by Greeks in their temples for their own ritual washings as well as for describing the washing of clothes, cups, bowls, etc. Any action in which something might be dipped in water was baptizo. Do we balk and get cross-eyed at this word, its secular and religious uses, and reject is as having no important revelation on the issue of "mode" in this act of faith? Likewise, why would it seem a strange thing for the Greeks to use a Greek praise to God that they had formerly used for Apollo? Therefore, the praise "eleleu hi" should have been transliterated into some English form and rendered for its true Greek meaning rather then a substitution of "alleluia" a Jewish form of "praise Yah." Especially when we discover the multitide speaking in heaven were speaking Greek and not Hebrew. Likewise, when we discover "Yah" is the name of the moon god of Egypt and ancient paganized Israelites?

We must confess now that "alleluia" is not a Greek word in the text that John wrote but a original Hebrew word. We confess this Hebrew word was retained in the Greek language and its development into modern stages. We confess that anciently, Hebrew and Greek both came from the ancient Phoencian language and John heard the saints cry "elelu ih, ...eleleu ie" not "alleluia."

Here is an alphabet chart that show Paleo-Hebrew and ancient Greek to be the same language, both having the same Phoenician alphabet and the letters in the exact same order.

In the chart on the left, we compare the Phoenician alphabet with the main branches of the early Greek character compared with the North Semitic alphabet and the classic Greek. 1=North Semitic Phoenician alphabet (Paleo-Hebrew); 2=Earliest Greek character (9th-6th centuries BC; 4-5 Eastern branch (4. Ionic; 5. Attic); 7=Western branch; 9=Classic Greek; 10=Names of the letters (those in parentheses; names of letters now discarded in classic Greek.

Notice that in Paleo-Hebrew and Greek that they both agree as to order of the alphabet, they both have basically the same appearance with little difference; they both have the same basic pronunciation of the letters, and both Paleo-Hebrew and Greek are in the same family of some older ancient language from which they descend. To translate Paleo-Hebrew then into Greek is not to miss very much in the way of pronunciation and or meaning associated with word forms. Also we can see that the ancient Paleo-Hebrew did have vowel useage. A common lie by scholars is the ancient Hebew did not have vowels and then they show us the Aramaic alphabet! Notice in the coin below the vowels "e and u" are used!

Now, to cement this, look at Genesis 33:20:

--And he erected there an altar, and called it El-elohe-Israel.

The word "elelohe" is identical with "elelu ih." The Hebrew word spoken by Jacob nearly 1,800BC was retained in the ancient tongues both as to pronunciation and meaning. When Jacob named his altar "El-e-lu-he" after the God of his salvation and help, it is the same name cried by the multitude in heaven "el-e-lu-ie" to Jesus our Lord and Savior!

What does it mean? It means Jesus is revealed as the "MIGHTY GOD" of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who LIVES!

The name elelu-ih may have been used by pagans toward their own idols and gods, but it was first used by Jacob for the true God. I believe the evidence is clear that Jacob got this praise from his father Isaac who got it from Abraham is father, who obtained it by inheritance down through the patriarch lineage from Adam. And who but Adam would know he saw Jesus in the Garden of Eden as God Almighty and there called him elelu ih.

For a comprehensive study on the name of Jesus click here

To read more about Yahweh and the moon god Yah click here

Dr. G. Reckart
Jesus-Messieh Fellowship

Tracing The Origin Of An Idol god

Yahwehism

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The only name He gave for Himself was "I am,"
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"I AM" is not God but the Messiah! The name of the biblical God is ...

God said to Moses,

"I AM WHO I AM" Exodus 3:14


It´s not the same. But you people keep babbling ...
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Thank you - and let's not forget what the model pray teaches us:


"Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name." Matthew 6:9


Jesus informs us that our Father in heaven has a name.


And also, what of these Scriptures, just to name a few?

Exodus 34:5

And Jehovah came down in the cloud, and stood beside him there, and proclaimed the name of Jehovah.


Darby Translation



Psalm 83:18

That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, art the Most High over all the earth.

Darby Translation
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gods name yahweh was in Baha'i writings that are over 150 years old God is what yahweh is not his/her's name your definition of "god" is incorrect.
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Thank you - and let's not forget what the model pray teaches us:


"Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name." Matthew 6:9


Jesus informs us that our Father in heaven has a name.


And also, what of these Scriptures, just to name a few?

Exodus 34:5

And Jehovah came down in the cloud, and stood beside him there, and proclaimed the name of Jehovah.


Darby Translation



Psalm 83:18

That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, art the Most High over all the earth.

Darby Translation
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Now check the same verses in Septuagint, which was used by Jesus and apostles.

Revelation is basically in 80 % quotations from OT. Where is God's name?

Why none of apostles and even Jesus himself never used so called name of the Father. Never admonished to use it and glorified. Reasons are obvious. When we are talking about the Creator of the whole Universe, Almighty God, we have all perfect understanding about whom we ate talking.

If apostle John was using Greek Septuagint (And he did) there was no name attributed to God, the Father of Christ.

Since only salvation is in Jesus name, intentions of writers of NT are perfectly logical.

Yahveh, Jehovah and Yah are names of demons. Corrupted Masoretes were trying to smuggle them into Bible.

Masons, worshipers of Lucifer are using these names and also they are using Jahbulon.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Fortunately the Bible is God's Word, inspired and protected by God.
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There is no salvation by pronounciation
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There is no salvation by pronounciation
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Which part of this verse you can't understand?

"Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the Name of Our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God hath, raised from the dead, even by him this man standeth here before you whole. 'This is the stone which was rejected by you the builders, which is become the head of the corner.' Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven, given to men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4: 10-12).
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There is no salvation by pronounciation
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Which part of this verse you can't understand?

"Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the Name of Our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God hath, raised from the dead, even by him this man standeth here before you whole. 'This is the stone which was rejected by you the builders, which is become the head of the corner.' Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven, given to men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4: 10-12).
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You can love the bible, follow it all you want but for goodness sake, take it cautiously. This book was translated from the New Testament a tonne of times, with many languages deriving from many cultures. Its not fortunate of them back then, besides perhaps in the last 100 years to have a "know all guy" who can even interpret ancient sayings and metaphors or whatever else there has to do with language.
Not to mention was edited by the so called "Holy" old priest guys during the MEDIEVAL time. Now how many things did they get wrong in THEIR tomes when it came to how to burn witches, how the world was shaped and leech surgery. These medieval monks of King James would have been chopping and changing anything at will if they're ready to believe that if you see an old hag with a bag of herbs, she's obviously going to cast a spell to cause an earthquake.

The bible can be a guide, but live by it with CAUTION. I'm sure God won't reject you from heaven along with the guy who committed mass genocide for unknowingly calling God by his many nicknames now would he?? Just do what he asks of you, be a good guy, use your time fighting for his truth, don't bother wasting time fighting over his name. Otherwise I'd say nearly nobody is entering heaven at this rate of 7 billion and counting for the past 10,000 years.

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The Name was erased by the pharaoh from all pillars and scrolls'...

There is left only one mention of the sacred name of the son and the father in the bible... "Hosanna" (in) the highest.


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I call my kids all kinds of names, and they can figure out who I am talking to. I am sure God can do the same. I am sure people have called him all kinds of names. He will remember everyone of them and they will too...
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I call my kids all kinds of names, and they can figure out who I am talking to. I am sure God can do the same. I am sure people have called him all kinds of names. He will remember everyone of them and they will too...
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The Son who cometh has a name... why is it that not one knows the most holy name?

The Muslims are awaiting Iman Hassan... Christian sing Hassona... and j.ews await Hashem...



"YAHSHUA was riding a donkey up to The mount of Megiddo in Bled Es Salem/Land of Salvation they were shouting Hosanna/Hashem/Hassan to Him, while he dragged Gog attached with fisher hooks in his jaws, up the mount of Sarsar"

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God's proper word to use in any language, is FATHER. God has no name. He is found in sound.
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God's proper word to use in any language, is FATHER. God has no name. He is found in sound.
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The father and the Son have a Name... a Name of Light that was erased by the dark side...

Joel 2:32 Then whoever calls on the name of the LORD will be saved. Those who escape will be on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem. Among the survivors will be those whom the LORD calls, as the LORD has promised.

Acts 2:21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'

Romans 10:13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Genesis 4:26 Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh. At that time men began to call on the name of the LORD.

Isaiah 11:11 In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea.

Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.'

Amos 9:8 "Surely the eyes of the Sovereign LORD are on the sinful kingdom. I will destroy it from the face of the earth--yet I will not totally destroy the house of Jacob," declares the LORD.Obadiah 1:17 But on Mount Zion will be deliverance; it will be holy, and the house of Jacob will possess its inheritance.

Micah 4:7 I will make the lame a remnant, those driven away a strong nation. The LORD will rule over them in Mount Zion from that day and forever.

Many don't know that jesus toke the sin on him because he killed all evil ones... So he couldn't enter Paradise himself, because the blood on his hands... but the rest could enter there where Moses or Jesus couldn't go...

Because the laws said you shall not kill... No man on earth killed as much people as Moses did, or Jesus will kill... There is only one who has more blood on his hand... and that is Noah.

Jesus brings the sword... don't forget this.

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SACRED NAME OF GOD? or BLASPHEMY?
By Roger Hathaway

I genuinely appreciate that many people are attempting to take a sincere religious position by honoring a sacred name for God, like Yahweh. I think it is being done somewhat in reaction against the organized Christian churches which are nothing more than painted sepulchres. Unfortunately, most people are not aware that such "sacred?" names originated in non-Israelite pagan cultures of the Ancient Near East.

There is evidence that YHWH was the name of a god worshiped by neighboring races but there is no evidence that such a name was used by true Israelites in ancient times. From the historical evidence, it appears that the Edomites have given true Israelites one more fraud which some of our people have claimed with enthusiasm, even making it central to their religion. Here are some details of the history of the word YHWH.

It seems that the use of a personal name for God, specifically YHWH, came into practice during the captivities as some of the Israelites adopted this Aramaean deity. The name probably came officially to the Israelite religion when the Edomites joined the Jerusalem Temple about 150 years before Christ. There is evidence that Yahweh had been the Edomite's lord as far back as 1,400 BC. The oldest known appearance of the name YHWH outside the Holy Land was in Egypt about 1,400 BC where it is found on lists with five other sacred names. A Rameses II (1304-1237) list has it 6 times. In an Amon temple of AmenhotepIII (1417-1379 BC) the name is associated with Seir (Edom).


Other evidence places it with Syria at 1,400 BC. That was near the time of Moses. What is significant and important is that the Egyptian lists do not associate the name with the Israelites who were a nearby existing community at the time. Inside the Palestine area, the earliest appearance of the name is on the Mesha Stele (9th C. BC), a royal inscription, where Mesha, the king of Moab, recounts the favor of Moab's deity in delivering Moab from control of its neighbor, Israel. It appears to me that, since the name had been connected with Edom from the 14th C. BC, it probably became important to the Jerusalem Temple after the Edomites took that over, after they had been forced by John Hyrcanus to convert to the Hebrew religion in the Jerusalem Temple.

As we know, it was only a few years after their "conversion?" that the Edomites had taken over Jerusalem, the Temple, the region politics with their own Herod as king, and the economy. The Edomites would have been right at home with Babylonian Talmudic Phariseeism and may have already held that practice before they took over Jerusalem. That religion had a mystic branch of kabbalistic magic. The sacred name, YHWH, was a key to their magic. As legend has it, the sacred name of a deity is so powerful that the person who knows it then has the power to use that name to command the deity to grant his wishes. Of the fifty four sacred names in the Jewish kabbalah, the primary one is YHWH.

For the Edomites who had taken over the Jerusalem Temple and its religion, YHWH was a deity they had long worshipped as a part of their Pagan religion. Paganism was actually started by Cain, himself, and it stayed pretty much with the Cain race until spreading into Greece and Egypt and Italy. That Pagan mother-goddess religion was prevalent throughout the entire mid-east, each group having its own names for the deities. See my article on Paganism for the full history of it. Click on [link to remnantradio.org] It is likely that the name YHWH was used by Edom, along with Syria and Moab and perhaps some other close neighbors.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel never used any personal name to distinguish Him from any peers because He had no peers. Therefore, no personal name was ever needed. The only name He gave for Himself was "I am," which indicated that He is to be identified with all existence. The Greek Septuagint Old Testament of 285BC never used any sacred name for God, nor was such ever mentioned by other ancient writers such as the Israelite historians, Philo, and Josephus, or the later Eusebius, or even the Jewish Aristeas the Exegete who wrote his commentary on the Greek Septuagint. The word did not appear in any Old Testament text until the Masoretic Text of 1000AD!

More in these links:

[link to remnantradio.org]
[link to www.yahwehism.com]
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This guy is lying or idiot

YHV"H is all over the Dead Sea scrolls and many ancient writings


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The names of over 70 prophets in the bible BEAR THE NAME of the creator.

eliYAHU (elijah) means "YAHU is my mighty one"
mattitYAHU (matthew) means "gift of YAHU"

here are some other names containing YAHU

zecharYAHU (zechariah)
yirmeYAHU (jeremiah)
obadYAHU (obadiah)
YAHUchannon (John)
yoshiYAHU (Josiah)
yashaYAHU (Isaiah)

even the current prime minister of "israel" is named "netanYAHU"


The tribe of "judah" is truly called "YAHUWDAH" (I will praise YAHU)

the tribe of YAHUWDAH is spelled YHWDH

if you remove the "D" which is called "dalet" from YHWDH

we are left with YHWH which is the name of the most high

YAHUWAH!!!!

"the jewish people" is man's concoction...
they are really called YAHUDI....
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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The names of over 70 prophets in the bible BEAR THE NAME of the creator.

eliYAHU (elijah) means "YAHU is my mighty one"
mattitYAHU (matthew) means "gift of YAHU"

here are some other names containing YAHU

zecharYAHU (zechariah)
yirmeYAHU (jeremiah)
obadYAHU (obadiah)
YAHUchannon (John)
yoshiYAHU (Josiah)
yashaYAHU (Isaiah)

even the current prime minister of "israel" is named "netanYAHU"


The tribe of "judah" is truly called "YAHUWDAH" (I will praise YAHU)

the tribe of YAHUWDAH is spelled YHWDH

if you remove the "D" which is called "dalet" from YHWDH

we are left with YHWH which is the name of the most high

YAHUWAH!!!!

"the jewish people" is man's concoction...
they are really called YAHUDI....
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Maybe you should ask "netanYAHU" to build your third temple... Hashem shall certainly be "netanYAHU".

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Y A W N

According to people such as yourself, EVERYTHING is a conspiracy against God.

I could go off right now, but I'm not going to.

Get a haircut.

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The father's name is {YAH-"UW"-AH} YAHUWAH (just as spelled) and his son's name is... {YAH-"UW"-SH-"UW"-A} YAHUWSHUWA (just as spelled)...the correct pronunciation and spelling of the father and son's name is critical and not to be taken lightly. These spellings are as correct as they can be according to Hebrew grammar...the "waw"(w) in Hebrew is one of 4 letters that carry a dual sound and function..."UW"...are presented together for a reason...for the opening of one syllable and the closing of another in Hebrew words and names. So as we learn more we honor the father and son's name by rendering not only the pronunciation but the spelling correctly.

Know the truth to be set free. Here is a great place to begin... Go thru his videos;
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"They took what they wanted ... and they wanted the world!"

"The thunder of their plundering shook the earth, the seas, the sky!"

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I have no trust in netanYAHU or "the jewish people"
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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The father's name is {YAH-"UW"-AH} YAHUWAH (just as spelled) and his son's name is... {YAH-"UW"-SH-"UW"-A} YAHUWSHUWA (just as spelled)...the correct pronunciation and spelling of the father and son's name is critical and not to be taken lightly. These spellings are as correct as they can be according to Hebrew grammar...the "waw"(w) in Hebrew is one of 4 letters that carry a dual sound and function..."UW"...are presented together for a reason...for the opening of one syllable and the closing of another in Hebrew words and names. So as we learn more we honor the father and son's name by rendering not only the pronunciation but the spelling correctly.

Know the truth to be set free. Here is a great place to begin... Go thru his videos;
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH !
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halleluYAH!

blessed are the YAHUDI who trust and testify to YAHUWAH and his right hand ..YAHUWSHUA ha'mashiach...

who was....is and is to come...
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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hmm... wouldn't it be ironic if the "father of all lies" was able to get people to worship him by using different names and inserting them into sacred scriptures... fooling people into believing that they were worship God the Creator? that couldn't happen, could it...
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hmm... wouldn't it be ironic if the "father of all lies" was able to get people to worship him by using different names and inserting them into sacred scriptures... fooling people into believing that they were worship God the Creator? that couldn't happen, could it...
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yes that is correct...


the titles "lord" and "god" are the names of fallen mighty ones.


yes I know lord means 'baal' which basically means master...


the name jesus is nothing more than a twist of letters to get you to pronounce 'zeus'

just like in spanish 'hay -zues"


in spanish the name of "god" is referred to as "dios" (dee-ose)

dios is the greek for jupiter or "zeus"
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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I call my kids all kinds of names, and they can figure out who I am talking to. I am sure God can do the same. I am sure people have called him all kinds of names. He will remember everyone of them and they will too...
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AlleluYah well said hf

It doesn't matter what we call Him He knows our heart and that is what matters.

I now live in Costa Rica and they don't pronounce my name properly but I know they mean ME.

You are just trying to cast confusion, may this confusion be cast back unto you.

Much love to all hf
Jeremiah 51

9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies.
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hmm... wouldn't it be ironic if the "father of all lies" was able to get people to worship him by using different names and inserting them into sacred scriptures... fooling people into believing that they were worship God the Creator? that couldn't happen, could it...
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yes that is correct...


the titles "lord" and "god" are the names of fallen mighty ones.


yes I know lord means 'baal' which basically means master...


the name jesus is nothing more than a twist of letters to get you to pronounce 'zeus'

just like in spanish 'hay -zues"


in spanish the name of "god" is referred to as "dios" (dee-ose)

dios is the greek for jupiter or "zeus"
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The Lord in Spanish "EL CID"...

[link to aipetcher.files.wordpress.com]

El Cid makes kings swear and brings justice to the oppressed and fought against evil even been dead... Gods Glory.

Here he is fighting the ottoman hordes..


One who lived and died for us all...

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I have never heard to the most high as "el cid" in spanish.


the common terms are "dios" and "el senor"


I'm not saying that "el cid" is a fairy tale...but it truly is not used on the scale of 'dios" and "el senor" in latin american countries.
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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I call my kids all kinds of names, and they can figure out who I am talking to. I am sure God can do the same. I am sure people have called him all kinds of names. He will remember everyone of them and they will too...
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AlleluYah well said hf

It doesn't matter what we call Him He knows our heart and that is what matters.

I now live in Costa Rica and they don't pronounce my name properly but I know they mean ME.

You are just trying to cast confusion, may this confusion be cast back unto you.

Much love to all hf
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A LIE believed to be TRUTH is still a LIE no matter how sincere or innocent.

Yeshayahu 52: 6
" Therefore My people shall know My Name, on that day, for I AM the One who is speaking. See, it is I."
Hosea 2:17,19
"I (YHVH) will take the names of the Baals (lords) off her lips"

Yahu shua means YAHUWAH is the savior/salvation! HalleluYAH!
YAHUshua means YAHUWAH saves and YAHUWAH is the name above all names.
Thou shalt not take the name of YHWH thy Elohim in vain; for YHWH will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
There is no salvation by anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved."
Pray,dig deep,study what has been given then decide how important His name is. Your eternal life is at stake.

Shalom aleichem

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