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***WARNING*** About this new alleged piece of WTC 7 Demolition footage... (Update: Proof Video Is Not Legit)

 
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Guys,

I want to advise some caution with this new piece of footage. We all know WTC 7 was demo'ed but we don't know anything about this video and just as we've seen with UFO videos, computer software today makes it incredibly easy to fake things.

We need a professional video analyst to confirm that this is genuine footage otherwise I would reserve judgement...

And just to clarify I am not claiming the video is fake, only suggesting we validate its authenticity before spreading it as gospel... could look really bad if this goes viral and turns out to be a fake.
 Quoting: Iconoclastics


OK i had a go with VLC player and miorrored the video, look what i got:
[link to imageshack.us]
damn it...
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Photo shows backside of WTC 7 with penthouse located on the right side: [link to 911research.wtc7.net]

Photo shows frontside of WTC 7 with penthouse located on the left side: [link to s1.hubimg.com]

New video shows frontisde of WTC 7 with penthouse located on the right side

????????

Last Edited by Iconoclastics on 09/15/2011 03:37 PM
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After some initial research I am heavily leaning toward this being fake, unfortunately.

The penthouse is on the wrong side relative to the front face of the building, this suggests video manipulation.
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Re: ***WARNING*** About this new alleged piece of WTC 7 Demolition footage... (Update: Proof Video Is Not Legit)
One clue that it may very well be a fake is the URL embedded in the video.

People have done far worse for free publicity. ;)
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I don't give a shit about this video. We all know it was brought down on purpose.

What I want to see is at least 1 of the 38 or so videos that were confiscated from offices, garages, parking lots, and stores that had cameras pointing at the pentegon on that day.

I hope someone leaks one some day.
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After some initial research I am heavily leaning toward this being fake, unfortunately.

The penthouse is on the wrong side relative to the front face of the building, this suggests video manipulation.
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You do... understanding.... That........ Christ almighty....


Ya know maybe.... Someone was filming..... YA KNOW... FROM THE OTHER SIDE... GEE WHAT A NOVEL THOUGHT
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One clue that it may very well be a fake is the URL embedded in the video.

People have done far worse for free publicity. ;)
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I think the fact that the penthouse is on the wrong side of the building according to that vantage point and that the video cuts off abruptly make it extremely suspect.

It just doesn't feel right...
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After some initial research I am heavily leaning toward this being fake, unfortunately.

The penthouse is on the wrong side relative to the front face of the building, this suggests video manipulation.
 Quoting: Iconoclastics


You do... understanding.... That........ Christ almighty....


Ya know maybe.... Someone was filming..... YA KNOW... FROM THE OTHER SIDE... GEE WHAT A NOVEL THOUGHT
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1547273


You know what else is a novel idea? Doing a little research before you mock someone...

Look at this picture and then this new footage and tell me what's wrong with this situation?

[link to 911research.wtc7.net]
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I don't give a shit about this video. We all know it was brought down on purpose.

What I want to see is at least 1 of the 38 or so videos that were confiscated from offices, garages, parking lots, and stores that had cameras pointing at the pentegon on that day.

I hope someone leaks one some day.
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Yeah, when they confiscate dozens of pieces of footage and refuse to release any of it that is ridiculously suspect...
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After some initial research I am heavily leaning toward this being fake, unfortunately.

The penthouse is on the wrong side relative to the front face of the building, this suggests video manipulation.
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uh....because it was shot from the other side of the building?
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After some initial research I am heavily leaning toward this being fake, unfortunately.

The penthouse is on the wrong side relative to the front face of the building, this suggests video manipulation.
 Quoting: Iconoclastics


uh....because it was shot from the other side of the building?
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Look at this picture and then this new footage and tell me what's wrong with this situation?

[link to 911research.wtc7.net]
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Dude, take a minute, maybe a deep breath and turn your brain back on.

I know 9/11 was an inside job but you have got to be more discerning than this. You cant just believe everything you find on the internet, regardless of whether or not it confirms your suspicions...
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bump
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Looks fake as fuck anyways
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Looks fake as fuck anyways
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It's easy to see the video has been doctored, no doubt they demo'ed that building but this footage ain't doin' no one any good. It's poison for the well, nothing more and nothing less...
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FACTS:

A. WTC 7 came down from controlled demolition
B. The official story is office fires
C. There is an immediate outcry by critical thinkers
D. This 'outcry' has spread beyond control because it is TRUTH
E. As the WTC7 TRUTH spreads, something has to be done to counter

HYPOTHESIS:
F. 10 years later they forge a video depicting what actually happened
G. Previously unaware people, jump on the bandwagon
H. The video is debunked, dropping peoples new high to a new low
I. Previously unaware people now turn back to the official story as true, and become even more numb to all WTC7 and indeed 911 revelations

GET IT
if you cant make a convincing argument all that is left is to take the credibility out of the message that is beating your lies
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Looks fake as fuck anyways
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It's easy to see the video has been doctored, no doubt they demo'ed that building but this footage ain't doin' no one any good. It's poison for the well, nothing more and nothing less...
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bump
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FACTS:

A. WTC 7 came down from controlled demolition
B. The official story is office fires
C. There is an immediate outcry by critical thinkers
D. This 'outcry' has spread beyond control because it is TRUTH
E. As the WTC7 TRUTH spreads, something has to be done to counter

HYPOTHESIS:
F. 10 years later they forge a video depicting what actually happened
G. Previously unaware people, jump on the bandwagon
H. The video is debunked, dropping peoples new high to a new low
I. Previously unaware people now turn back to the official story as true, and become even more numb to all WTC7 and indeed 911 revelations

GET IT
if you cant make a convincing argument all that is left is to take the credibility out of the message that is beating your lies
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Now I got what you're saying, yes I think it is an attempt to poison the well.

Last Edited by Iconoclastics on 09/15/2011 03:47 PM
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the above also explains the recent mass dumping of new vids on the net concerning 911
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FACTS:

A. WTC 7 came down from controlled demolition
B. The official story is office fires
C. There is an immediate outcry by critical thinkers
D. This 'outcry' has spread beyond control because it is TRUTH
E. As the WTC7 TRUTH spreads, something has to be done to counter

HYPOTHESIS:
F. 10 years later they forge a video depicting what actually happened
G. Previously unaware people, jump on the bandwagon
H. The video is debunked, dropping peoples new high to a new low
I. Previously unaware people now turn back to the official story as true, and become even more numb to all WTC7 and indeed 911 revelations

GET IT
if you cant make a convincing argument all that is left is to take the credibility out of the message that is beating your lies
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1551138


another do

GLPer's are absolutely horrible about reading before they post.

For the 100th time I know building 7 was controlled demo, I am not arguing that point. What I am saying is this video is bullshit and people should not promote it as legit, that's all!!!

Gosh...
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dude, take some of your own advise

i was not suggesting that you are not aware that it was 'pulled'

i was merely trying to explain why they need to fake a video of an event in order to show what ACTUALLY happened

this is a rare example of faking something to make it look as it truly happened

again i was not trying your powers of perception, but trying to explain in more detail what you had already pointed out

ok?
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sorry, i cant edit my reply

no hard feelings

i know my written language can be confusing some times

and yes that is a good analogy

poisoning the well
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FACTS:

A. WTC 7 came down from controlled demolition
B. The official story is office fires
C. There is an immediate outcry by critical thinkers
D. This 'outcry' has spread beyond control because it is TRUTH
E. As the WTC7 TRUTH spreads, something has to be done to counter

HYPOTHESIS:
F. 10 years later they forge a video depicting what actually happened
G. Previously unaware people, jump on the bandwagon
H. The video is debunked, dropping peoples new high to a new low
I. Previously unaware people now turn back to the official story as true, and become even more numb to all WTC7 and indeed 911 revelations

GET IT
if you cant make a convincing argument all that is left is to take the credibility out of the message that is beating your lies
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1551138


another do

GLPer's are absolutely horrible about reading before they post.

For the 100th time I know building 7 was controlled demo, I am not arguing that point. What I am saying is this video is bullshit and people should not promote it as legit, that's all!!!

Gosh...
 Quoting: Iconoclastics


dude, take some of your own advise

i was not suggesting that you are not aware that it was 'pulled'

i was merely trying to explain why they need to fake a video of an event in order to show what ACTUALLY happened

this is a rare example of faking something to make it look as it truly happened

again i was not trying your powers of perception, but trying to explain in more detail what you had already pointed out

ok?
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Yeah, you're right my bad. I have spent the last 30 minutes dealing with knuckle-heads calling me a shill and what not. Sorry about that, jumped to conclusions. Lesson learned.

No disrespect intended.
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sorry, i cant edit my reply

no hard feelings

i know my written language can be confusing some times

and yes that is a good analogy

poisoning the well
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All good, my friend.

How are things in Greece?
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Well the other active thread on this same subject seems to be biased. "it must be real footage". yes, we all know the buildings were brought down, but it shouldn't mean that Any footage promoting that need be accepted without question :s

Besides what I know in my heart and my gut to be true, this looks fake in my opinion. As much as clear 'evidence' would be great to present to the non-believers and doubters, I won't be jumping on this bandwagon just because of a newly surfaced video, 10 years later? Nahh..
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I don't give a shit about this video. We all know it was brought down on purpose.

What I want to see is at least 1 of the 38 or so videos that were confiscated from offices, garages, parking lots, and stores that had cameras pointing at the pentegon on that day.

I hope someone leaks one some day.
 Quoting: 4tunat1


Just the fact that we know the FBI was confiscating local security cameras within minutes of the attack is all you need to know. With all of the chaos going on that day, would it have really been top priority to immediately secure the video cameras? The FBI could have stopped in to the surrounding businesses the next week and collected the tapes. The fact that they did so immediately after the Pentagon was attacked is a smoking gun in itself. People were dying on the ground, and the FBI is giving priority to something that could be done anytime after that.

Now consider that we still haven't seen any of this video. If a commercial plane hit the Pentagon, there would have been video proof and the government surely would have provided it by now. End of story.
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putin

there's a UFO at the top of the screen at 0:49
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Well the other active thread on this same subject seems to be biased. "it must be real footage". yes, we all know the buildings were brought down, but it shouldn't mean that Any footage promoting that need be accepted without question :s

Besides what I know in my heart and my gut to be true, this looks fake in my opinion. As much as clear 'evidence' would be great to present to the non-believers and doubters, I won't be jumping on this bandwagon just because of a newly surfaced video, 10 years later? Nahh..
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Smart thinking, if only others were as discerning. If people start touting this video as proof it is just going to blow up in their faces and make them look really, really bad.
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Dude, take a minute, maybe a deep breath and turn your brain back on.

I know 9/11 was an inside job but you have got to be more discerning than this. You cant just believe everything you find on the internet, regardless of whether or not it confirms your suspicions...
 Quoting: Iconoclastics


The vid of WTC7 explosions from propheticseer is an obvious fake. WTC7 was the shape of a trapezoid. The fake vid is a reversal of a shot of the the north side of the building (facing away from WTC1&2). This is the the side of the building with the longest side (length). The south side of the building (which this would be if it weren't fake) is the short length. Yet this video is of the long (north side) length of the trapezoid.

Propheticseer is a pathetic fraud and disinfo agent.
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sorry, i cant edit my reply

no hard feelings

i know my written language can be confusing some times

and yes that is a good analogy

poisoning the well
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All good, my friend.

How are things in Greece?
 Quoting: Iconoclastics


they are bombarding the populace with the good cop bad cop routine taking away perceptions from what is rally going on in addition to creating an impression of a one way street

now they understand it is not working as well as they hopped sot they started with the war threatened by turkey

in the end we are many, they are but a handful

just keeping the Thermopylae long enough for the rest of the world to regroup

one thing is for sure
WE are in this together, whether in greece the us or lybia for that matter

i've been around,
its the same anywhere you go

best wishes for your future pal
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FACTS:

A. WTC 7 came down from controlled demolition
B. The official story is office fires
C. There is an immediate outcry by critical thinkers
D. This 'outcry' has spread beyond control because it is TRUTH
E. As the WTC7 TRUTH spreads, something has to be done to counter

HYPOTHESIS:
F. 10 years later they forge a video depicting what actually happened
G. Previously unaware people, jump on the bandwagon
H. The video is debunked, dropping peoples new high to a new low
I. Previously unaware people now turn back to the official story as true, and become even more numb to all WTC7 and indeed 911 revelations

GET IT
if you cant make a convincing argument all that is left is to take the credibility out of the message that is beating your lies
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clappa
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Just like with the birth certificate issue.

After the 'original' fake one was put forth by Obama, which was proved to be totally fabricated; the next thing they did was create one or two other fake ones to accomplish the same diffusion we are witnessing here, so they could debunk them later. Stating that people were not looking at the correct one.

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