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Whoa! Look at these chemtrails!

 
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If you don't think that they are chemtrails, what do you think that they are?
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


They are contrails.

In low humidity, contrails (once formed) dissipate fairly quickly. The ice sublimes into the unsaturated air.

But in high humidity - like if there is already high cloud in the vicinity - the contrail cannot dissipate. The air is already ice-supersaturated. So the contrail persists and behaves like a cloud - is moved and spread out by wind and wind-shear.

Search: ice-supersaturation +contrail
 Quoting: MrZephyros


Nope!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


Could you explain why you disagree with that explanation?
Thanks.
 Quoting: MrZephyros



Instead of George B, Noble, or Snake... We have a NewBe Internet Troll MrZephyros

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So explain why I see them in high humidity, low humidity, warm days, cold days, ...
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How do you know if it's high or low humidity, warm or cold up there where the contrails are?
It don't matter squat down where you are... obviously.
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Confirmation post.

I was up in NW Wisconsin this AM. Perfect crystal clear blue sky. Saw first trails being laid around 9. By this evening when I drove back to the TCs the sky was a sickly gray mess.

Weird thing is, we are right smack in the middle of a huge high pressure with no rain in the forecast. Ordinarily that would mean perfect blue skies.
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Exactly what I was thinking. High pressure = clear skies - usually.
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They are contrails.

In low humidity, contrails (once formed) dissipate fairly quickly. The ice sublimes into the unsaturated air.

But in high humidity - like if there is already high cloud in the vicinity - the contrail cannot dissipate. The air is already ice-supersaturated. So the contrail persists and behaves like a cloud - is moved and spread out by wind and wind-shear.

Search: ice-supersaturation +contrail
 Quoting: MrZephyros


Nope!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


Could you explain why you disagree with that explanation?
Thanks.
 Quoting: MrZephyros



Instead of George B, Noble, or Snake... We have a NewBe Internet Troll MrZephyros

Just ignore him or we will have to make him go away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1453650


Newbie, huh?
Troll, huh?

Geeze, I kindly answered KwittyKwitty question; she rejected my explanation out of hand, and I asked her why.
Does that make me a troll?
You have brought nothing to the discussion but ad hom attack, so I think you are better characterised as an Internet Troll than I am.
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Nope!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


Could you explain why you disagree with that explanation?
Thanks.
 Quoting: MrZephyros



Instead of George B, Noble, or Snake... We have a NewBe Internet Troll MrZephyros

Just ignore him or we will have to make him go away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1453650


Newbie, huh?
Troll, huh?

Geeze, I kindly answered KwittyKwitty question; she rejected my explanation out of hand, and I asked her why.
Does that make me a troll?
You have brought nothing to the discussion but ad hom attack, so I think you are better characterised as an Internet Troll than I am.
 Quoting: MrZephyros


What do you expect, chemtards are as rude as they are ignorant. That will never change.
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We had them ribboned all over the sky a couple days ago now thick cloud cover...I guess somewhere it is sunny hopefully others that can "watch the sky" are doing so!
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They are contrails.

In low humidity, contrails (once formed) dissipate fairly quickly. The ice sublimes into the unsaturated air.

But in high humidity - like if there is already high cloud in the vicinity - the contrail cannot dissipate. The air is already ice-supersaturated. So the contrail persists and behaves like a cloud - is moved and spread out by wind and wind-shear.

Search: ice-supersaturation +contrail
 Quoting: MrZephyros


Nope!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


Could you explain why you disagree with that explanation?
Thanks.
 Quoting: MrZephyros



Instead of George B, Noble, or Snake... We have a NewBe Internet Troll MrZephyros

Just ignore him or we will have to make him go away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1453650


MrZephyros definitely proved him/herself to be a shill. Gave me bad karma points that read "Paranoid loser/chemtard". No Mr.Zephyros, I am no paranoid loser. I see the chemtrails being laid on a regular basis. While some jets fly with a disappearing contrail, others, like these, spray shit that does NOT dissipate. I am a chemtard though, and I consider that a compliment, thank you very much!
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We had them ribboned all over the sky a couple days ago now thick cloud cover...I guess somewhere it is sunny hopefully others that can "watch the sky" are doing so!
 Quoting: urkidding


We had nice clear blue skies until the other day as well. Since the chemattack though, it has been very cloudy, but no precipitation yet.
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Could you explain why you disagree with that explanation?
Thanks.
 Quoting: MrZephyros



Instead of George B, Noble, or Snake... We have a NewBe Internet Troll MrZephyros

Just ignore him or we will have to make him go away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1453650


Newbie, huh?
Troll, huh?

Geeze, I kindly answered KwittyKwitty question; she rejected my explanation out of hand, and I asked her why.
Does that make me a troll?
You have brought nothing to the discussion but ad hom attack, so I think you are better characterised as an Internet Troll than I am.
 Quoting: MrZephyros


What do you expect, chemtards are as rude as they are ignorant. That will never change.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525278


whatever
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So explain why I see them in high humidity, low humidity, warm days, cold days, cloudy days, completely clear days (until they come around), etc. I have tried relentlessly to dispell this and to convince myself otherwise using all these scientific explainations but the fact still remains, they are there under all of the above conditions. I've watched planes pass right through them w/a real contrail and they do not do the same thing. I watched them back and forth over and over last night (same place) completely demolish a clear sky and completely block out the sun and leave nothing but a grey, muted, freaky looking mess that was very distinguishable from normal overcast. It was terrifying. And the atomospheric conditions, from what I understand, did not coincide w/overcast (just over the sun as it was setting, mind you). I wish they were not real, but they are.
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I agree with you AC. many planes fly with a dissipating contrail, but not these which lay the trails.
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So explain why I see them in high humidity, low humidity, warm days, cold days, cloudy days, completely clear days (until they come around), etc. I have tried relentlessly to dispell this and to convince myself otherwise using all these scientific explainations but the fact still remains, they are there under all of the above conditions. I've watched planes pass right through them w/a real contrail and they do not do the same thing. I watched them back and forth over and over last night (same place) completely demolish a clear sky and completely block out the sun and leave nothing but a grey, muted, freaky looking mess that was very distinguishable from normal overcast. It was terrifying. And the atomospheric conditions, from what I understand, did not coincide w/overcast (just over the sun as it was setting, mind you). I wish they were not real, but they are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1548135


I agree with you AC. many planes fly with a dissipating contrail, but not these which lay the trails.
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty



I was at the Lake Michigan and I could still see the same jets that spray Chemtrails but they were not spraying today. They fly by about 3 an hour. They look small [to me], fly fast, and white. It really makes me wonder if this Chemtrail program is 24/7 and they spray when told to do so from the USAF. I think they are UAVs; that is just me though.

This would correlate to the fact on the NEXRAD Radar under "Regional Reflectivity" > "Contiguous US" > "Loop Duration 12 hours" There are a fleet of unknown jets flying at 650mph at sunrise & sunset spraying something that makes the radar explode of the charts across the US.

[link to weather.rap.ucar.edu]

Anyone every notice this too and the jets on NEXRAD at sunrise & sunset?
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Nope!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


Could you explain why you disagree with that explanation?
Thanks.
 Quoting: MrZephyros



Instead of George B, Noble, or Snake... We have a NewBe Internet Troll MrZephyros

Just ignore him or we will have to make him go away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1453650


MrZephyros definitely proved him/herself to be a shill. Gave me bad karma points that read "Paranoid loser/chemtard". No Mr.Zephyros, I am no paranoid loser. I see the chemtrails being laid on a regular basis. While some jets fly with a disappearing contrail, others, like these, spray shit that does NOT dissipate. I am a chemtard though, and I consider that a compliment, thank you very much!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


You ARE a paranoid loser and a chemtard (and that's not a compliment, trust me!).

I gave you that Karma! So, you have falsely accused someone based on your assumptions and speculations and are now proven to be WRONG! Just as you are wrong about the trails in the sky! There is a VERY simple and logical explanation why some trails persist and others don't...and I'm sure it's been explained to you. Your refusal to accept the explanation is just more proof of your ignorance and paranoia about subjects you couldn't be more ignorant about if you wanted to be. You are 100% ignorant about air saturation and the jet engine.
THAT is a fact!

Calling someone who is educated in these subjects a "shill" just for disagreeing with those UNeducated in these subjects is STUPID! One doesn't need to be a shill for pointing out the complete ignorance and paranoid nonsense posted about aviation and atmospheric science that YOU people (chemtards) are famous for!

Shame on you for jumping to conclusions and blaming people for things you only ASSume they do/did!
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Heh, thanks. Sweet. If you had a karma bar, I would + you one.
I already stung her a -1 karma for falsely accusing me. Chemtards! Seems they can't even follow a thread or read the karmic records.

Cheers.
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Heh, thanks. Sweet. If you had a karma bar, I would + you one.
I already stung her a -1 karma for falsely accusing me. Chemtards! Seems they can't even follow a thread or read the karmic records.

Cheers.
 Quoting: MrZephyros


No problem. I just can't stand to see people being wrongly accused based on ignorant and arrogant assumption. I love how these people couldn't POSSIBLY be wrong about any of this stuff...in their own "minds".
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Heh, thanks. Sweet. If you had a karma bar, I would + you one.
I already stung her a -1 karma for falsely accusing me. Chemtards! Seems they can't even follow a thread or read the karmic records.

Cheers.
 Quoting: MrZephyros


No problem. I just can't stand to see people being wrongly accused based on ignorant and arrogant assumption. I love how these people couldn't POSSIBLY be wrong about any of this stuff...in their own "minds".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525278


To the both of you: If you don't believe in Chemtrails find another thread!
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So explain why I see them in high humidity, low humidity, warm days, cold days, cloudy days, completely clear days (until they come around), etc. I have tried relentlessly to dispell this and to convince myself otherwise using all these scientific explainations but the fact still remains, they are there under all of the above conditions. I've watched planes pass right through them w/a real contrail and they do not do the same thing. I watched them back and forth over and over last night (same place) completely demolish a clear sky and completely block out the sun and leave nothing but a grey, muted, freaky looking mess that was very distinguishable from normal overcast. It was terrifying. And the atomospheric conditions, from what I understand, did not coincide w/overcast (just over the sun as it was setting, mind you). I wish they were not real, but they are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1548135


I agree with you AC. many planes fly with a dissipating contrail, but not these which lay the trails.
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty



I was at the Lake Michigan and I could still see the same jets that spray Chemtrails but they were not spraying today. They fly by about 3 an hour. They look small [to me], fly fast, and white. It really makes me wonder if this Chemtrail program is 24/7 and they spray when told to do so from the USAF. I think they are UAVs; that is just me though.

This would correlate to the fact on the NEXRAD Radar under "Regional Reflectivity" > "Contiguous US" > "Loop Duration 12 hours" There are a fleet of unknown jets flying at 650mph at sunrise & sunset spraying something that makes the radar explode of the charts across the US.

[link to weather.rap.ucar.edu]

Anyone every notice this too and the jets on NEXRAD at sunrise & sunset?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1490981


Yes this is easy to distinguish on the radar, especially at sunset. Every single day. This is a phenomenon that really deserves its own thread. Good to see that others have noticed this.

hf
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and the government says its broke, but they still buy alot of fuel to chemtrail
KINGDOMS, NATIONS AND KINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO THEIR KNEES WITH ONE GLANCE FROM A WOMAN.

I WEAR MY SKIN OF ARMOR SO NO ONE CAN GET IN AND NO ONE CAN GET OUT.

HOW CAN I MOURN YOU, WHEN I HAVE NEVER LET YOU GO, monster 1991-2008 RIP
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So explain why I see them in high humidity, low humidity, warm days, cold days, cloudy days, completely clear days (until they come around), etc. I have tried relentlessly to dispell this and to convince myself otherwise using all these scientific explainations but the fact still remains, they are there under all of the above conditions. I've watched planes pass right through them w/a real contrail and they do not do the same thing. I watched them back and forth over and over last night (same place) completely demolish a clear sky and completely block out the sun and leave nothing but a grey, muted, freaky looking mess that was very distinguishable from normal overcast. It was terrifying. And the atomospheric conditions, from what I understand, did not coincide w/overcast (just over the sun as it was setting, mind you). I wish they were not real, but they are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1548135


I agree with you AC. many planes fly with a dissipating contrail, but not these which lay the trails.
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty



I was at the Lake Michigan and I could still see the same jets that spray Chemtrails but they were not spraying today. They fly by about 3 an hour. They look small [to me], fly fast, and white. It really makes me wonder if this Chemtrail program is 24/7 and they spray when told to do so from the USAF. I think they are UAVs; that is just me though.

This would correlate to the fact on the NEXRAD Radar under "Regional Reflectivity" > "Contiguous US" > "Loop Duration 12 hours" There are a fleet of unknown jets flying at 650mph at sunrise & sunset spraying something that makes the radar explode of the charts across the US.

[link to weather.rap.ucar.edu]

Anyone every notice this too and the jets on NEXRAD at sunrise & sunset?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1490981


I haven't noted this, but it is awesome that you have taken the time to and are sharing this info with us!
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Could you explain why you disagree with that explanation?
Thanks.
 Quoting: MrZephyros



Instead of George B, Noble, or Snake... We have a NewBe Internet Troll MrZephyros

Just ignore him or we will have to make him go away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1453650


MrZephyros definitely proved him/herself to be a shill. Gave me bad karma points that read "Paranoid loser/chemtard". No Mr.Zephyros, I am no paranoid loser. I see the chemtrails being laid on a regular basis. While some jets fly with a disappearing contrail, others, like these, spray shit that does NOT dissipate. I am a chemtard though, and I consider that a compliment, thank you very much!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


You ARE a paranoid loser and a chemtard (and that's not a compliment, trust me!).

I gave you that Karma! So, you have falsely accused someone based on your assumptions and speculations and are now proven to be WRONG! Just as you are wrong about the trails in the sky! There is a VERY simple and logical explanation why some trails persist and others don't...and I'm sure it's been explained to you. Your refusal to accept the explanation is just more proof of your ignorance and paranoia about subjects you couldn't be more ignorant about if you wanted to be. You are 100% ignorant about air saturation and the jet engine.
THAT is a fact!

Calling someone who is educated in these subjects a "shill" just for disagreeing with those UNeducated in these subjects is STUPID! One doesn't need to be a shill for pointing out the complete ignorance and paranoid nonsense posted about aviation and atmospheric science that YOU people (chemtards) are famous for!

Shame on you for jumping to conclusions and blaming people for things you only ASSume they do/did!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525278


Chemtrails are real, and you cannot prove otherwise! The chemtard label IS a compliment, and I wear it with pride! Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you!
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Heh, thanks. Sweet. If you had a karma bar, I would + you one.
I already stung her a -1 karma for falsely accusing me. Chemtards! Seems they can't even follow a thread or read the karmic records.

Cheers.
 Quoting: MrZephyros


No problem. I just can't stand to see people being wrongly accused based on ignorant and arrogant assumption. I love how these people couldn't POSSIBLY be wrong about any of this stuff...in their own "minds".
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To the both of you: If you don't believe in Chemtrails find another thread!
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bump
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Heh, thanks. Sweet. If you had a karma bar, I would + you one.
I already stung her a -1 karma for falsely accusing me. Chemtards! Seems they can't even follow a thread or read the karmic records.

Cheers.
 Quoting: MrZephyros


No problem. I just can't stand to see people being wrongly accused based on ignorant and arrogant assumption. I love how these people couldn't POSSIBLY be wrong about any of this stuff...in their own "minds".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525278


To the both of you: If you don't believe in Chemtrails find another thread!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1453650


no thanks
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Instead of George B, Noble, or Snake... We have a NewBe Internet Troll MrZephyros

Just ignore him or we will have to make him go away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1453650


MrZephyros definitely proved him/herself to be a shill. Gave me bad karma points that read "Paranoid loser/chemtard". No Mr.Zephyros, I am no paranoid loser. I see the chemtrails being laid on a regular basis. While some jets fly with a disappearing contrail, others, like these, spray shit that does NOT dissipate. I am a chemtard though, and I consider that a compliment, thank you very much!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


You ARE a paranoid loser and a chemtard (and that's not a compliment, trust me!).

I gave you that Karma! So, you have falsely accused someone based on your assumptions and speculations and are now proven to be WRONG! Just as you are wrong about the trails in the sky! There is a VERY simple and logical explanation why some trails persist and others don't...and I'm sure it's been explained to you. Your refusal to accept the explanation is just more proof of your ignorance and paranoia about subjects you couldn't be more ignorant about if you wanted to be. You are 100% ignorant about air saturation and the jet engine.
THAT is a fact!

Calling someone who is educated in these subjects a "shill" just for disagreeing with those UNeducated in these subjects is STUPID! One doesn't need to be a shill for pointing out the complete ignorance and paranoid nonsense posted about aviation and atmospheric science that YOU people (chemtards) are famous for!

Shame on you for jumping to conclusions and blaming people for things you only ASSume they do/did!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525278


Chemtrails are real, and you cannot prove otherwise! The chemtard label IS a compliment, and I wear it with pride! Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


You look at it as a compliment because you have no clue how ignorant you are about aviation and atmospheric science.

It's not up to anyone to prove the trails in the sky aren't "chemtrails" It's up to you people to prove they are. Since airplanes have been able to fly in conditions conducive to contrail creation (almost a century)..they have been known as contrails...then along comes a group of people who have never studied the subjects and claim the trails to be something else....Sorry, that means YOU have the burden of proof.

I'm glad you accept your ignorance with pride...That's a good chemtard!
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I'm okay with being labeled a chemtard. It doesn't make an argument for or against their existence any stronger. However, the fact remains that A) The technology exists as we know, to modify weather, to utilize the same technology to reflect the sun, to crop dust, to utilize in bio/chem warfare. Couple that with the general notion that technology known to lay people and existing technology within the governments are decades apart and the fact that something is clearly different up there using only the eyes as an observation source - something smells fish. i

If it were up to me to prove they do exist, well, I would need a lot more access to a lot more information - you are correct. However, through observation, process of elimination and many other scientific tools, I can conclude that something is not right. Why a pattern? Why at sunrise and sunset? Why does the humidity, the elevation, etc. make no difference at all? Why are they going straight up and down (plans have never done this in my 30 years) and crissing and crossing all the while expanding and clouding out the sun or preparing the horizon for the same?? It is actually quite obvious once you open up your mind to the possibility, which is really all it takes for any good scientist to begin their research. If it isn't possible in your mind, well then the theorizing and research never starts and it is not a wonder you take the position that you do. However, this is not how answers are found. Rather it is a prime example of ignorance or, in the alternative, a paid shill. Which is it? Or could it be both?

To the OP - we are both in MN. AFter the work they did last week it remained an overcast even when weather reports declared otherwise. It finally cleared up mid day today, i saw blue sky again only after that low lying fog of this morning. Now, it is all overcast again, naturally, as the sun is about to set.

Those poor local weathermen, what work it is having to keep up with the world weather owned by Ratheyon, the company who not only owns the weather forecasting but also the chemical defense technology. If that doesn't pique curiosity when one looks up at the sky and sees a view they never saw growing up as a child - i'm not sure what will.
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MrZephyros definitely proved him/herself to be a shill. Gave me bad karma points that read "Paranoid loser/chemtard". No Mr.Zephyros, I am no paranoid loser. I see the chemtrails being laid on a regular basis. While some jets fly with a disappearing contrail, others, like these, spray shit that does NOT dissipate. I am a chemtard though, and I consider that a compliment, thank you very much!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


You ARE a paranoid loser and a chemtard (and that's not a compliment, trust me!).

I gave you that Karma! So, you have falsely accused someone based on your assumptions and speculations and are now proven to be WRONG! Just as you are wrong about the trails in the sky! There is a VERY simple and logical explanation why some trails persist and others don't...and I'm sure it's been explained to you. Your refusal to accept the explanation is just more proof of your ignorance and paranoia about subjects you couldn't be more ignorant about if you wanted to be. You are 100% ignorant about air saturation and the jet engine.
THAT is a fact!

Calling someone who is educated in these subjects a "shill" just for disagreeing with those UNeducated in these subjects is STUPID! One doesn't need to be a shill for pointing out the complete ignorance and paranoid nonsense posted about aviation and atmospheric science that YOU people (chemtards) are famous for!

Shame on you for jumping to conclusions and blaming people for things you only ASSume they do/did!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525278


Chemtrails are real, and you cannot prove otherwise! The chemtard label IS a compliment, and I wear it with pride! Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


You look at it as a compliment because you have no clue how ignorant you are about aviation and atmospheric science.

It's not up to anyone to prove the trails in the sky aren't "chemtrails" It's up to you people to prove they are. Since airplanes have been able to fly in conditions conducive to contrail creation (almost a century)..they have been known as contrails...then along comes a group of people who have never studied the subjects and claim the trails to be something else....Sorry, that means YOU have the burden of proof.

I'm glad you accept your ignorance with pride...That's a good chemtard!
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I honestly don't know whether to be angry at you for shilling, or simply feel sorry for you for being so blind and sheep-like. If it is the latter, I wish you would wake up! Not for my benefit, but for your own.
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I'm okay with being labeled a chemtard. It doesn't make an argument for or against their existence any stronger. However, the fact remains that A) The technology exists as we know, to modify weather, to utilize the same technology to reflect the sun, to crop dust, to utilize in bio/chem warfare. Couple that with the general notion that technology known to lay people and existing technology within the governments are decades apart and the fact that something is clearly different up there using only the eyes as an observation source - something smells fish. i

If it were up to me to prove they do exist, well, I would need a lot more access to a lot more information - you are correct. However, through observation, process of elimination and many other scientific tools, I can conclude that something is not right. Why a pattern? Why at sunrise and sunset? Why does the humidity, the elevation, etc. make no difference at all? Why are they going straight up and down (plans have never done this in my 30 years) and crissing and crossing all the while expanding and clouding out the sun or preparing the horizon for the same?? It is actually quite obvious once you open up your mind to the possibility, which is really all it takes for any good scientist to begin their research. If it isn't possible in your mind, well then the theorizing and research never starts and it is not a wonder you take the position that you do. However, this is not how answers are found. Rather it is a prime example of ignorance or, in the alternative, a paid shill. Which is it? Or could it be both?

To the OP - we are both in MN. AFter the work they did last week it remained an overcast even when weather reports declared otherwise. It finally cleared up mid day today, i saw blue sky again only after that low lying fog of this morning. Now, it is all overcast again, naturally, as the sun is about to set.

Those poor local weathermen, what work it is having to keep up with the world weather owned by Ratheyon, the company who not only owns the weather forecasting but also the chemical defense technology. If that doesn't pique curiosity when one looks up at the sky and sees a view they never saw growing up as a child - i'm not sure what will.
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Wow! You really told the shill/sheep poster! Well said sir (or Ma'am?)!!! I wish you had a registered account. You deserve good karma for that rebuttal. As for the sky, yes it has been cloudy since the spraying. the clouds did clear up a bit today, but they are back to spraying as of around 6 PM again. Same pattern as last time too (sigh).
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I'm okay with being labeled a chemtard. It doesn't make an argument for or against their existence any stronger. However, the fact remains that A) The technology exists as we know, to modify weather, to utilize the same technology to reflect the sun, to crop dust, to utilize in bio/chem warfare. Couple that with the general notion that technology known to lay people and existing technology within the governments are decades apart and the fact that something is clearly different up there using only the eyes as an observation source - something smells fish. i

If it were up to me to prove they do exist, well, I would need a lot more access to a lot more information - you are correct. However, through observation, process of elimination and many other scientific tools, I can conclude that something is not right. Why a pattern? Why at sunrise and sunset? Why does the humidity, the elevation, etc. make no difference at all? Why are they going straight up and down (plans have never done this in my 30 years) and crissing and crossing all the while expanding and clouding out the sun or preparing the horizon for the same?? It is actually quite obvious once you open up your mind to the possibility, which is really all it takes for any good scientist to begin their research. If it isn't possible in your mind, well then the theorizing and research never starts and it is not a wonder you take the position that you do. However, this is not how answers are found. Rather it is a prime example of ignorance or, in the alternative, a paid shill. Which is it? Or could it be both?

To the OP - we are both in MN. AFter the work they did last week it remained an overcast even when weather reports declared otherwise. It finally cleared up mid day today, i saw blue sky again only after that low lying fog of this morning. Now, it is all overcast again, naturally, as the sun is about to set.

Those poor local weathermen, what work it is having to keep up with the world weather owned by Ratheyon, the company who not only owns the weather forecasting but also the chemical defense technology. If that doesn't pique curiosity when one looks up at the sky and sees a view they never saw growing up as a child - i'm not sure what will.
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No one is suggesting that it is not possible to spray stuff from planes. We are suggesting that there is no evidence that the lines you see in the sky is anything that is "sprayed". The lines obviously come from the engines, and there is a gap. If something was being sprayed, it would not be sprayed from the engine, and there would be no gap between the nozzle and the visible plume.

The only explanation for the gap is that there is a phase change taking place from invisible water vapour (in the combustion products comprising the jet exhaust) to visible condensed water droplets and frozen ice particles.

Pattern? Do you mean that they only do this early in the morning and late in the afternoon? Altitude and humidity (at flight level) make all the difference between occurrence or not of contrails and persistence or not.
The planes aren't flying "straight up"! They are flying level but on a flight path directly towards you - it only appears straight up. What is the problem with the contrails crossing. Are you worried about collisions? Do roadways cross? Why not airways?
Ignorance? Try a search for ice-supersaturated +contrail
and see who is ignorant (but not for long).

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You ARE a paranoid loser and a chemtard (and that's not a compliment, trust me!).

I gave you that Karma! So, you have falsely accused someone based on your assumptions and speculations and are now proven to be WRONG! Just as you are wrong about the trails in the sky! There is a VERY simple and logical explanation why some trails persist and others don't...and I'm sure it's been explained to you. Your refusal to accept the explanation is just more proof of your ignorance and paranoia about subjects you couldn't be more ignorant about if you wanted to be. You are 100% ignorant about air saturation and the jet engine.
THAT is a fact!

Calling someone who is educated in these subjects a "shill" just for disagreeing with those UNeducated in these subjects is STUPID! One doesn't need to be a shill for pointing out the complete ignorance and paranoid nonsense posted about aviation and atmospheric science that YOU people (chemtards) are famous for!

Shame on you for jumping to conclusions and blaming people for things you only ASSume they do/did!
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Chemtrails are real, and you cannot prove otherwise! The chemtard label IS a compliment, and I wear it with pride! Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you!
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You look at it as a compliment because you have no clue how ignorant you are about aviation and atmospheric science.

It's not up to anyone to prove the trails in the sky aren't "chemtrails" It's up to you people to prove they are. Since airplanes have been able to fly in conditions conducive to contrail creation (almost a century)..they have been known as contrails...then along comes a group of people who have never studied the subjects and claim the trails to be something else....Sorry, that means YOU have the burden of proof.

I'm glad you accept your ignorance with pride...That's a good chemtard!
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I honestly don't know whether to be angry at you for shilling, or simply feel sorry for you for being so blind and sheep-like. If it is the latter, I wish you would wake up! Not for my benefit, but for your own.
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You pretend to understand the science you couldn't be more ignorant about if you wanted to be. I feel sorry for you for being so blind to your own ignorance and living in fear of things you only pretend to understand. That's pathetic. I pity you. I'm quite awake...it's you that lives in a dream world of paranoid fantasy. I wish you would seek medical attention for your paranoia, if not for your benefit, but for the rest of humanities. You spread paranoid ignorance as fact. You are scum.
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I'm okay with being labeled a chemtard. It doesn't make an argument for or against their existence any stronger. However, the fact remains that A) The technology exists as we know, to modify weather, to utilize the same technology to reflect the sun, to crop dust, to utilize in bio/chem warfare. Couple that with the general notion that technology known to lay people and existing technology within the governments are decades apart and the fact that something is clearly different up there using only the eyes as an observation source - something smells fish. i

If it were up to me to prove they do exist, well, I would need a lot more access to a lot more information - you are correct. However, through observation, process of elimination and many other scientific tools, I can conclude that something is not right. Why a pattern? Why at sunrise and sunset? Why does the humidity, the elevation, etc. make no difference at all? Why are they going straight up and down (plans have never done this in my 30 years) and crissing and crossing all the while expanding and clouding out the sun or preparing the horizon for the same?? It is actually quite obvious once you open up your mind to the possibility, which is really all it takes for any good scientist to begin their research. If it isn't possible in your mind, well then the theorizing and research never starts and it is not a wonder you take the position that you do. However, this is not how answers are found. Rather it is a prime example of ignorance or, in the alternative, a paid shill. Which is it? Or could it be both?

To the OP - we are both in MN. AFter the work they did last week it remained an overcast even when weather reports declared otherwise. It finally cleared up mid day today, i saw blue sky again only after that low lying fog of this morning. Now, it is all overcast again, naturally, as the sun is about to set.

Those poor local weathermen, what work it is having to keep up with the world weather owned by Ratheyon, the company who not only owns the weather forecasting but also the chemical defense technology. If that doesn't pique curiosity when one looks up at the sky and sees a view they never saw growing up as a child - i'm not sure what will.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1546998


Wow! You really told the shill/sheep poster! Well said sir (or Ma'am?)!!! I wish you had a registered account. You deserve good karma for that rebuttal. As for the sky, yes it has been cloudy since the spraying. the clouds did clear up a bit today, but they are back to spraying as of around 6 PM again. Same pattern as last time too (sigh).
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Wow, one paranoid idiot agrees with another?! Who would have imagined such a thing possible on this site!

/sarcasm
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Chemtrails are real, and you cannot prove otherwise! The chemtard label IS a compliment, and I wear it with pride! Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you!
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


You look at it as a compliment because you have no clue how ignorant you are about aviation and atmospheric science.

It's not up to anyone to prove the trails in the sky aren't "chemtrails" It's up to you people to prove they are. Since airplanes have been able to fly in conditions conducive to contrail creation (almost a century)..they have been known as contrails...then along comes a group of people who have never studied the subjects and claim the trails to be something else....Sorry, that means YOU have the burden of proof.

I'm glad you accept your ignorance with pride...That's a good chemtard!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525278


I honestly don't know whether to be angry at you for shilling, or simply feel sorry for you for being so blind and sheep-like. If it is the latter, I wish you would wake up! Not for my benefit, but for your own.
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


You pretend to understand the science you couldn't be more ignorant about if you wanted to be. I feel sorry for you for being so blind to your own ignorance and living in fear of things you only pretend to understand. That's pathetic. I pity you. I'm quite awake...it's you that lives in a dream world of paranoid fantasy. I wish you would seek medical attention for your paranoia, if not for your benefit, but for the rest of humanities. You spread paranoid ignorance as fact. You are scum.
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You pretend to understand the science you couldn't be more ignorant about if you wanted to be.

You are welcome to explain it to me. Please, be my guest.

I feel sorry for you for being so blind to your own ignorance and living in fear of things you only pretend to understand.

I don't live in fear, it's more like mistrust of our Government and disgust for what they are doing, mixed with a healthy dose of anger!

You spread paranoid ignorance as fact.

Likewise, you spread your disinformation as if it were fact!

...but for the rest of humanities.

It is humanity, NOT humanities. You expect me to believe you hold the truth to this matter when you apparently cannot even spell correctly?

You are scum.

Funny how I'm not the one resorting to name calling here!
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OP - thanks. I am having troubles registering my account or otherwise I would post under my handle. I have emailed the webmaster about this.

30 yo female from MN, USA w/ legal and research background and science geek in my spare time. I was just trying to point out to the antagonist that the same argument that they don't exist can be used to establish that they very well do [or it is likely they do, rather]. I cannot really find another explaination for what I am seeing, for i know the difference between a chemtrail, a contrail, and the atmospheric conditions that produce a contrail with a longer life span. It doesn't add up when you do the math and see the same thing day after day spewing out of the same types of plans flying the same flight paths - it is just too obvious not to question.

And for the record, some of them do appear to be going straight up or very close to it at times, as I have observed some of them and they are not getting much closer as the trail they leaves goes up. Of course I cannot know for sure w/out the propert data. Point being - the path would resemble a plane taking off from flight, but there is no airport in that direction. So whether they are flying perfectly straight up (like a rocket/space shuttle would at take off) or even somewhat verticle- there is NO REASON the flight path should resemble a take off of any flying object coming from the direction that it is. And if you argue that it is just so far away that it appears lower in the sky, I would ask - how can I see it at all then? These things fly FAST and at various altitudes - very distinquishable from normal flight patterns. Again, this a scientific method/analysis, using detailed analysis of my observations and my understanding of aeronautics, etc. and a process of elimiantion, a bit of theory, a bit of generalization based on the data available and observations from others, etc. - and not simply a paranoid response to a manifestation of my imagination. I wish it was just that, I really do.

Note, this is also something that doesn't show up in any photographs prior to the late 90s [when the technology was announced to the public as being tested in the US] nor is it in my past memories of being a child, again - a little geek - always looking up.

I have lots of photos and some videos I can share when I get the account set up right.

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