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If God is perfect why did he create something imperfect like man.

 
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So we could learn. And He has given us thousands of years to learn. But since most of us are trapped in a world of materialism, we are perpetuating our imperfection. When we learn that if we love, respect, and cherish others more than ourselves, the world would be perfect. Alas, I doubt that will ever happen until God intervenes.
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That was beautiful!
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Thank you. I hope you got the answer to your question somewhere in this thread, OP. Or the path to your answer...may you be blessed!
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Thank you. But I am still a lost little lamb on that matter.
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The Truth is only inside your self. You are not as lost as others... :)
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A concept that fits with me is that we are all eternal souls, non physical beings of light, God being no different (we exist in his perfect image). The difference between the Supreme Soul and we human souls being that we incarnate and source doesn't, his altruism is infinite, whereas as human souls we have the desire for expression and experience. He remains bodiless and perfect in order to be there when the time comes for our restoration.

Enter the physical universe, planet earth (our eternal playground/and for some time our jail). Souls come to incarnate and things are great for a long time, there is no fear, instead an understanding of eternal existence and reincarnation, no attachment only pure connections with each other. There is no accumulation of negative karma because negativity does not exist.

Like batteries, our energy gradually starts to decrease and after many incarnations we forget we are souls experiencing through bodies and we begin to identify with the bodies as being ourselves. We label ourselves, male and female, black or white etc. Hatred and jealousy breed. The time of duality begins and a search for what we have lost, religions are established, we continue to fall. Instead of divine virtues, we now interact with the vices of ego, anger, lust, greed and attachment.

Eventually, we come to this point in time, energy completely drained and living in complete hell. The only thing to do is wake up, reconnect with ourselves and our Source and accept the journey. By understanding time as eternal and cyclic we can reclaim our original identities as eternal souls, settle our accumulation of negative karma and go home to our creator for a period of rest and recharge.

Here is a link to a visual experience of this concept

[link to www.youtube.com]

or to read in fairytale style [link to www.rainbowsinparadise.com]

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may you be (re) educated here for all the period that your are keeping to mislead people.

Errors are not corrected, but rooted out.


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A concept that fits with me is that we are all eternal souls, non physical beings of light, God being no different (we exist in his perfect image). The difference between the Supreme Soul and we human souls being that we incarnate and source doesn't, his altruism is infinite, whereas as human souls we have the desire for expression and experience. He remains bodiless and perfect in order to be there when the time comes for our restoration.

Enter the physical universe, planet earth (our eternal playground/and for some time our jail). Souls come to incarnate and things are great for a long time, there is no fear, instead an understanding of eternal existence and reincarnation, no attachment only pure connections with each other. There is no accumulation of negative karma because negativity does not exist.

Like batteries, our energy gradually starts to decrease and after many incarnations we forget we are souls experiencing through bodies and we begin to identify with the bodies as being ourselves. We label ourselves, male and female, black or white etc. Hatred and jealousy breed. The time of duality begins and a search for what we have lost, religions are established, we continue to fall. Instead of divine virtues, we now interact with the vices of ego, anger, lust, greed and attachment.

Eventually, we come to this point in time, energy completely drained and the only thing to do is wake up, reconnect with ourselves and our Source and accept the journey. By understanding time as eternal and cyclic we can reclaim our original identities as eternal souls, settle our accumulation of negative karma and go home to our father for a period of rest and recharge.

Here is a link to a visual experience of this concept

[link to www.youtube.com]

or to read in fairytale style [link to www.rainbowsinparadise.com]
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WONDERFUL! Thanks for the perspective...afro
In this game the lesson's in your eyes to see, though things change, the future's still inside of me. We must remember that tomorrow comes after the dark, so you will always be in my heart, with unconditional Love.
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and once again, another stupid fucking question. Seriously, go back to your world of warcraft or whatever it is you do that would spark such stupidity. That's like asking "if pancakes are so good, why do we have waffles?" STFU
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may you be (re) educated here for all the period that your are keeping to mislead people.

Errors are not corrected, but rooted out.

Yes, actually, the airs of this world are dark and fraught with deceit.
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Look the fact that you and I are both here right now on this planet means we came from somewhere or something.

Someone or something made us whether it be God or not something also made that thing or made God. Whatever being or energy that is the ultimate creator of all things could not have been imperfect or could it? Shit I am now confusing my own thoughts?
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You are confused because EVERYTHING is Perfect! speedbanan

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--Little Toad, why are you all green and and slimy?
--Oh, nothing. I am just a ailing a bit, but normally I am white and fluffy.
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There once was this little Toad all broken hearted
Who always seemed to end up from where he started
He hopped till he dropped
Went croak till he was broke
And all anyone remembers is that he farted fart

Ribbit chuckle

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So we could learn. And He has given us thousands of years to learn. But since most of us are trapped in a world of materialism, we are perpetuating our imperfection. When we learn that if we love, respect, and cherish others more than ourselves, the world would be perfect. Alas, I doubt that will ever happen until God intervenes.
 Quoting: EazyD


That was beautiful!
 Quoting: ungodlike productions 1551466


Thank you. I hope you got the answer to your question somewhere in this thread, OP. Or the path to your answer...may you be blessed!
 Quoting: EazyD


Thank you. But I am still a lost little lamb on that matter.


The Truth is only inside your self. You are not as lost as others... :)



The truth is not ONLY inside you, it is EVERYWHERE! thumbs

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Be thankful you don't remember. With that said, it is the spirit, and it WILL and intent that is important. That is what needs correcting. Your current thoughts, beliefs and feelings are merely part of the program, no matter how backwards and corrupt they may be at this time.


Is the Air to blame because someone who breaths it killed someone. That's how much God is to blame for your thoughts and actions. Meaning not at all.

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may you be (re) educated here for all the period that your are keeping to mislead people.

Errors are not corrected, but rooted out.

Yes, actually, the airs of this world are dark and fraught with deceit.
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Look the fact that you and I are both here right now on this planet means we came from somewhere or something.

Someone or something made us whether it be God or not something also made that thing or made God. Whatever being or energy that is the ultimate creator of all things could not have been imperfect or could it? Shit I am now confusing my own thoughts?
 Quoting: ungodlike productions 1551466


You are confused because EVERYTHING is Perfect! speedbanan

Ribbit chuckle
 Quoting: Butt Ugly Toad


--Little Toad, why are you all green and and slimy?
--Oh, nothing. I am just a ailing a bit, but normally I am white and fluffy.
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There once was this little Toad all broken hearted
Who always seemed to end up from where he started
He hopped till he dropped
Went croak till he was broke
And all anyone remembers is that he farted fart

Ribbit chuckle
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cool chuckle
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YOU fucked up because even now you can't take control of your own WILL and take responsibility of your OWN thoughts and actions. So you seek a way to blame God even though there's no God here controlling your life..

Do you know what FREE WILL is. It means no one CONTROLS YOU. Not even GOD. Along with this FREE WILL we were given a simple commandant. Love your neighbour as you would have them love you.

YOU know what people seek to do with their FREE WILL?


Dominate and control other people, to rule over them, using practically everything they can to make that possible. They seek to make others bend to their own WILL.


That's how you and others respect FREE WILL.


Remember that story about a war in Heaven? Well that what that was about. Us seeking to dominate in Heaven, so we got cast out to Earth.

And now here in the flesh you have the nerve to complain about things being imperfect.


Welcome to a lesson learned the hard way.

The Earth sucks because we are ALL of the same desire, meaning we desire to rule and control each other, and hence this is the result of that desire. This Earth as it is now. Look around you, and throughout history.

This is what happens when you use your FREE WILL to abuse other's FREE WILL. As it stands now, Human WILL is restricted, thankfully. But still people seek to abuse others anyway.


Yet you blame God for your troubles.


Heck it wasn't even God who cast us out. It's was the other Angels in Heaven we warred against. Breaking God's law.

God clearly could of prevented and stopped the war. But what would be the point of giving us FREE WILL?

The other Angels being more understanding than us, and who clearly demonstrated the commandment love thy neighbour in their actions, then set up this universe, this Earth specifically for our redemption, to make us perfect again via Earthly incarnations and the many experiences they bring. And yes suffering is a large part of that.

Be thankful you don't remember. With that said, it is the spirit, and it WILL and intent that is important. That is what needs correcting. Your current thoughts, beliefs and feelings are merely part of the program, no matter how backwards and corrupt they may be at this time.


Is the Air to blame because someone who breaths it killed someone. That's how much God is to blame for your thoughts and actions. Meaning not at all.
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WONDERFUL! Thanks for the perspective...afro
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I first came across these concepts in 1988, i've been working on my own experience of them ever since. Lately my awareness/connection has jumped, i've managed to shed some heavy loads too and feel more accepting of transformations that are coming.

The wonderful thing is that while still incarnated we have the choice to transform ourselves - for many they will not make that choice and karmic debt will be settled through the coming changes to the planet. It will be the same physical events happening for those who are aware, the difference being they will not have as much fear or so much of their own emotional traumas to settle when it happens.

Many awakened souls are searching for their purpose while still here in their bodies, but my sense is that the role these souls need to prepare for will be when the coming earth changes come. Many souls will be distressed, lost and confused when leaving their bodies and aware souls also leaving their bodies at that time can help spread feelings of peace and safety amongst them as they come to terms with the reality that they were not just physical and they have not 'ended'. Of course we have time to support others now too but with acceptance that many eyes and ears are shut.

It's a cool thought too to realise that we only have the opportunity to know our Creator now at this time, we have no need for him in paradise and after the fall until now it has been the search. All you have to do is experience yourself as an eternal being of light sitting within this body of matter (centre forehead) and tune in to source. Don't take my word for it though - try it, you can keep the awareness moving around too.

hf

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God did create us perfect and we are perfect. As souls. But there are other things that lead us to imperfection. First we are in a type of space time different from divine space time on account of the fall.
God created all beings with free will and that includes angels. Some of them fell and we followed thanks to their jealousy and interference. Which places us partly in their 'time zone'.

Evil is just turning away from God. Which God allows. Cosequenty many have chosen the wrong path. BUT it gets complicated because of mind control and other interference. To commit evil you have to freely choose. To receive evil is another story.

When I say God made us perfection I mean not as perfect as God but perfect as our kind,

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God did create us perfect and we are perfect. As souls. But there are other things that lead us to imperfection. First we are in a type of space time different from divine space time on account of the fall.
God created all beings with free will and that includes angels. Some of them fell and we followed thanks to their jealousy and interference. Which places us partly in their 'time zone'.

Evil is just turning away from God. Which God allows. Cosequenty many have chosen the wrong path. BUT it gets complicated because of mind control and other interference. To commit evil you have to freely choose. To receive evil is another story.
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So true. Perhaps those who fell first are the ones who have the responsibility to reclaim themselves first, they bear a lot of karma for leading the fall. Ego sneaks in so easily on the path to truth but remembering this is very levelling, those who are awake now have a duty to truth and to others.

Receiving evil is also a choice, we can choose not to be victims once we are aware that we had become just that. Reclaiming self value and authenticity can put a stop to victimhood though.

In the words of Bill Hicks 'It's just a ride'. afro

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Taking back self control from disordered energy thieves [link to www.outofthefog.net]
How to spot a psychopath [link to aftermath-surviving-psychopathy.org]

A brief introduction to 'The Shadow' [link to home.earthlink.net]
Hunting for Power, Toltec Wisdom for Spiritual Warriors [link to 209.85.122.83]
Message from the Kogi [link to www.alunathemovie.com]

Thread: Spiritual Preparedness - simple practices and meditations to increase self-awareness

Thread: The Wetiko Disease - a psychological parasite

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This story is from the Upanishads, Kathopanishad, a scripture that unveils the mystery of death and the meaning of life.

An old story is told about the beginning of time. The universe was in the process of being created and not everything was yet in order or fully functioning. Before the universe could be totally engaged, the Creator had one final task to complete. To help him complete this task the Creator summoned an angel.

The angel came. The Creator told the angel that he had one last job to do in the making of the universe.

“I saved the best for last,” the Creator told the angel. “I have here the real meaning of human life, the treasure of life, the purpose and goal of all this that I have created.

“Because this treasure is valuable beyond description,” the Creator continued, “I want you to hide it. Hide this treasure so well that human beings will know its value to be immeasurable.”

“I will do so” said the angel. “I will hide the treasure of life on the highest mountain top.”

“The treasure will be too easy to find there,” said the Creator.

“Then,” said the angel, “I will hide the treasure in the great desert wilderness. Surely, the treasure will not be easily found there.”

“No, too easy.”

“In the vast reaches of the universe?” asked the angel. “That would make a difficult search.”

“No,” the Creator said pondering. Then his face showed a flash of inspiration. “I know. I have the place. Hide the treasure of life within the human being. He will look there last and know how precious this treasure is. Yes, hide the treasure there.”

Last Edited by Pharista on 09/16/2011 06:14 AM
100 personality disordered behaviours [link to www.outofthefog.net]
Taking back self control from disordered energy thieves [link to www.outofthefog.net]
How to spot a psychopath [link to aftermath-surviving-psychopathy.org]

A brief introduction to 'The Shadow' [link to home.earthlink.net]
Hunting for Power, Toltec Wisdom for Spiritual Warriors [link to 209.85.122.83]
Message from the Kogi [link to www.alunathemovie.com]

Thread: Spiritual Preparedness - simple practices and meditations to increase self-awareness

Thread: The Wetiko Disease - a psychological parasite

Thread: Breaking the chains of the past - facing & healing toxic conditioning & false belief systems

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"You were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you ... Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor ..." (Ezekiel 28:16-17, NIV)

"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'" (Isaiah 14:12-14, NIV).

If humans can grow and improve in both aesthetics and intelligence, then what of angels? It is speculated that one particular angel become the "greatest", second only to God. The Bible calls him "the morning star", filled to the brim with "wisdom and splendor". Yet, he desired more, namely, the throne of God.

It is unsure whether or not Satan was driven out of God's assembly before or after his deception of Adam and Eve, but one thing is certain - his sparking the fall of humanity, his rivaling the very throne of God merits his eternal destruction.

We currently live in that world, governed by Satan. Notice, God gave him all authority to rule over the Earth - as a challenge to God's sovereignty.
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God did create us perfect and we are perfect. As souls. But there are other things that lead us to imperfection. First we are in a type of space time different from divine space time on account of the fall.
God created all beings with free will and that includes angels. Some of them fell and we followed thanks to their jealousy and interference. Which places us partly in their 'time zone'.

Evil is just turning away from God. Which God allows. Cosequenty many have chosen the wrong path. BUT it gets complicated because of mind control and other interference. To commit evil you have to freely choose. To receive evil is another story.
 Quoting: bluepoet


So true. Perhaps those who fell first are the ones who have the responsibility to reclaim themselves first, they bear a lot of karma for leading the fall. Ego sneaks in so easily on the path to truth but remembering this is very levelling, those who are awake now have a duty to truth and to others.

Receiving evil is also a choice, we can choose not to be victims once we are aware that we had become just that. Reclaiming self value and authenticity can put a stop to victimhood though.

In the words of Bill Hicks 'It's just a ride'. afro
 Quoting: Pharista

most rings true.
however while evil is the nature of darkness; darkness is the product of the shadow, which is a "by-product", "the foam", of the Perfect Creation. There is no darkness without the shadow, and the shadow (with its shadowy forms) are to dissipate because of their own nature.
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Because God is not perfection. And He is not imperfection. He is and He is not the both.

Now you have a basic explanation, search more, meditate.
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This story is from the Upanishads, Kathopanishad, a scripture that unveils the mystery of death and the meaning of life.

An old story is told about the beginning of time. The universe was in the process of being created and not everything was yet in order or fully functioning. Before the universe could be totally engaged, the Creator had one final task to complete. To help him complete this task the Creator summoned an angel.

The angel came. The Creator told the angel that he had one last job to do in the making of the universe.

“I saved the best for last,” the Creator told the angel. “I have here the real meaning of human life, the treasure of life, the purpose and goal of all this that I have created.

“Because this treasure is valuable beyond description,” the Creator continued, “I want you to hide it. Hide this treasure so well that human beings will know its value to be immeasurable.”

“I will do so” said the angel. “I will hide the treasure of life on the highest mountain top.”

“The treasure will be too easy to find there,” said the Creator.

“Then,” said the angel, “I will hide the treasure in the great desert wilderness. Surely, the treasure will not be easily found there.”

“No, too easy.”

“In the vast reaches of the universe?” asked the angel. “That would make a difficult search.”

“No,” the Creator said pondering. Then his face showed a flash of inspiration. “I know. I have the place. Hide the treasure of life within the human being. He will look there last and know how precious this treasure is. Yes, hide the treasure there.”
 Quoting: Pharista


As to your earlier comments, you missed the mark but as to this old parable, you hit it! thumbs

+13

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Ps: It's too bad none of you have a clue what the treasure is, yet, you can find it but only if you will question first and the first ONE to question is YOURSELF. chuckle

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YOU fucked up because even now you can't take control of your own WILL and take responsibility of your OWN thoughts and actions. So you seek a way to blame God even though there's no God here controlling your life..

Do you know what FREE WILL is. It means no one CONTROLS YOU. Not even GOD. Along with this FREE WILL we were given a simple commandant. Love your neighbour as you would have them love you.

YOU know what people seek to do with their FREE WILL?


Dominate and control other people, to rule over them, using practically everything they can to make that possible. They seek to make others bend to their own WILL.


That's how you and others respect FREE WILL.


Remember that story about a war in Heaven? Well that what that was about. Us seeking to dominate in Heaven, so we got cast out to Earth.

And now here in the flesh you have the nerve to complain about things being imperfect.


Welcome to a lesson learned the hard way.

The Earth sucks because we are ALL of the same desire, meaning we desire to rule and control each other, and hence this is the result of that desire. This Earth as it is now. Look around you, and throughout history.

This is what happens when you use your FREE WILL to abuse other's FREE WILL. As it stands now, Human WILL is restricted, thankfully. But still people seek to abuse others anyway.


Yet you blame God for your troubles.


Heck it wasn't even God who cast us out. It's was the other Angels in Heaven we warred against. Breaking God's law.

God clearly could of prevented and stopped the war. But what would be the point of giving us FREE WILL?

The other Angels being more understanding than us, and who clearly demonstrated the commandment love thy neighbour in their actions, then set up this universe, this Earth specifically for our redemption, to make us perfect again via Earthly incarnations and the many experiences they bring. And yes suffering is a large part of that.

Be thankful you don't remember. With that said, it is the spirit, and it WILL and intent that is important. That is what needs correcting. Your current thoughts, beliefs and feelings are merely part of the program, no matter how backwards and corrupt they may be at this time.


Is the Air to blame because someone who breaths it killed someone. That's how much God is to blame for your thoughts and actions. Meaning not at all.
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So you defy the Bible and claim God isn't omniscient nor omnipotent?

Freewill does not exist if you assume your god knows everything beforehand, created everything and has absolute power to change anything about what he created.

God knew Eve would eat the apple even during the 7 days of creation. Yet he still created it in such a way that she ate the apple.

But if you don't agree with the notion of omnipotence and omniscience then why exactly would you still call yourself Christian?
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YOU fucked up because even now you can't take control of your own WILL and take responsibility of your OWN thoughts and actions. So you seek a way to blame God even though there's no God here controlling your life..

Do you know what FREE WILL is. It means no one CONTROLS YOU. Not even GOD. Along with this FREE WILL we were given a simple commandant. Love your neighbour as you would have them love you.

YOU know what people seek to do with their FREE WILL?


Dominate and control other people, to rule over them, using practically everything they can to make that possible. They seek to make others bend to their own WILL.


That's how you and others respect FREE WILL.


Remember that story about a war in Heaven? Well that what that was about. Us seeking to dominate in Heaven, so we got cast out to Earth.

And now here in the flesh you have the nerve to complain about things being imperfect.


Welcome to a lesson learned the hard way.

The Earth sucks because we are ALL of the same desire, meaning we desire to rule and control each other, and hence this is the result of that desire. This Earth as it is now. Look around you, and throughout history.

This is what happens when you use your FREE WILL to abuse other's FREE WILL. As it stands now, Human WILL is restricted, thankfully. But still people seek to abuse others anyway.


Yet you blame God for your troubles.


Heck it wasn't even God who cast us out. It's was the other Angels in Heaven we warred against. Breaking God's law.

God clearly could of prevented and stopped the war. But what would be the point of giving us FREE WILL?

The other Angels being more understanding than us, and who clearly demonstrated the commandment love thy neighbour in their actions, then set up this universe, this Earth specifically for our redemption, to make us perfect again via Earthly incarnations and the many experiences they bring. And yes suffering is a large part of that.

Be thankful you don't remember. With that said, it is the spirit, and it WILL and intent that is important. That is what needs correcting. Your current thoughts, beliefs and feelings are merely part of the program, no matter how backwards and corrupt they may be at this time.


Is the Air to blame because someone who breaths it killed someone. That's how much God is to blame for your thoughts and actions. Meaning not at all.
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So you defy the Bible and claim God isn't omniscient nor omnipotent?

Freewill does not exist if you assume your god knows everything beforehand, created everything and has absolute power to change anything about what he created.

God knew Eve would eat the apple even during the 7 days of creation. Yet he still created it in such a way that she ate the apple.

But if you don't agree with the notion of omnipotence and omniscience then why exactly would you still call yourself Christian?
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The legend of Pandora's Box:

"In classic Greek mythology, Pandora was the first woman on earth. Zeus ordered Hephaestus, the god of craftsmanship, to create her, so he did—using water and earth. The gods endowed her with many talents: Aphrodite gave her beauty, Apollo gave music and Hermes, persuasion. The gods also gave her the gift of curiosity. Her name Pandora means "all-giving."

When Prometheus stole fire from heaven, Zeus took vengeance by presenting Pandora to Epimetheus, Prometheus' brother. With him, Pandora was also given a beautiful box which she was told not to open under any circumstance. Impelled by her curiosity given to her by the gods, Pandora opened the box-jar, and all evil contained escaped and spread over the earth. She hastened to close the lid, but the whole contents of the jar had escaped, except for one thing that lay at the bottom, which was Hope. Pandora was deeply saddened by what she had done, and was afraid that she would have to face Zeus' wrath, since she had failed her duty. However, Zeus did not punish her, because he knew she would open it."


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As to your earlier comments, you missed the mark but as to this old parable, you hit it!

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It is a lovely parable. I love the story of Pandora too.

We all have different experiences and beliefs and mine are true to me as yours are to you. I'm still very happy to share views with you along the way though hf

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As to your earlier comments, you missed the mark but as to this old parable, you hit it!

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It's a lovely parable. We all have different experiences and beliefs and mine are true to me as yours are to you. I'm still very happy to share views with you along the way though hf
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BTW - God is the Universe and the Universe is God's Mind. thumbs

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Okay explain this to me.

If God is perfect then everything he creates should be perfect. Earth, the universe, the animals on earth and mankind.

But look what fucked up beings we are on this planet. We are murderers, destroyers of nature and this planet.

How could a perfect God create this. And more importantly why?

Only logical answer is a perfect God didn't create us. We created us. Our imperfect selves. There is no perfect God.flip
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God gave us life, to live, and have choices, evil or good.
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Okay explain this to me.

If God is perfect then everything he creates should be perfect. Earth, the universe, the animals on earth and mankind.

But look what fucked up beings we are on this planet. We are murderers, destroyers of nature and this planet.

How could a perfect God create this. And more importantly why?

Only logical answer is a perfect God didn't create us. We created us. Our imperfect selves. There is no perfect God.flip
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God gave us life, to live, and have choices, evil or good.
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There is no sPoon!

There is no eVil!

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BTW - God is the Universe and the Universe is God's Mind.

Ahhh, now I get where we differ in views. Omnipresence, it is something I cannot accept as a personal truth. Just like the light of the sun, I believe Creator's light can reach to most places but it emanates from one source. Countless grains of sand make up one beach but each grain is independent - like us human souls.

The freewill which we were given and the nature of entropy is what has brought about the decay around us. Like Zeus, Creator knows all of this eternally - we only get to spin this discus of past, present and future right now at this point in time. At least those are my truths afro

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BTW - God is the Universe and the Universe is God's Mind.

Ahhh, now I get where we differ in views. Omnipresence, it is something I cannot accept as a personal truth. Just like the light of the sun, I believe Creator's light can reach to most places but it emanates from one source. Countless grains of sand make up one beach but each grain is independent - like us human souls.

The freewill which we were given and the nature of entropy is what has brought about the decay around us. Like Zeus, Creator knows all of this eternally - we only get to spin this discuss of past, present and future right now at this point in time. At least those are my truths afro
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First, if you want to see the Creator's Light, look at the center of ANY spiral galaxy or look within yourself. Science thinks the Universe is a closed system (aka: 2nd Law of Thermodynamics) but it is a OPEN SYSTEM, with the small black holes, that open up when a star collapses, being the black holes drawing matter into the 1st Dimension to recycle that part of the galaxy and the TWIN black holes, at the center of ALL spiral galaxies, eject VIRGIN matter in the form of LIGHT! sun

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Second, the only entropy in the universe is your closed mind, but EVERYONE is closed minded. hmm The You're Always Right Paradox proves everyone is closed minded. thumbs

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BTW - God is the Universe and the Universe is God's Mind.

Ahhh, now I get where we differ in views. Omnipresence, it is something I cannot accept as a personal truth. Just like the light of the sun, I believe Creator's light can reach to most places but it emanates from one source. Countless grains of sand make up one beach but each grain is independent - like us human souls.

The freewill which we were given and the nature of entropy is what has brought about the decay around us. Like Zeus, Creator knows all of this eternally - we only get to spin this discuss of past, present and future right now at this point in time. At least those are my truths afro
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First, if you want to see the Creator's Light, look at the center of ANY spiral galaxy or look within yourself. Science thinks the Universe is a closed system (aka: 2nd Law of Thermodynamics) but it is a OPEN SYSTEM, with the small black holes, that open up when a star collapses, being the black holes drawing matter into the 1st Dimension to recycle that part of the galaxy and the TWIN black holes, at the center of ALL spiral galaxies, eject VIRGIN matter in the form of LIGHT! sun

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Second, the only entropy in the universe is your closed mind, but EVERYONE is closed minded. hmm The You're Always Right Paradox proves everyone is closed minded. thumbs

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He he, our views are not so far apart afterall. I agree that entropy was created from the closing of our own minds quite some time back, but now is the time to open them again. We are also bound by the laws of cause and effect - the debts we have created individually and collectively must be settled in order to move forward in the system.

What I have been wondering was how matter was going to be purified to reflect our return to selves (eternal soul/spiritual stars) and source (our spiritual sun), I look forward to learning more about twin black holes and virgin matter. Thanks.

Physical time being cyclic and moving beyond time is a great paradox too :)

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Okay explain this to me.

If God is perfect then everything he creates should be perfect. Earth, the universe, the animals on earth and mankind.

But look what fucked up beings we are on this planet. We are murderers, destroyers of nature and this planet.

How could a perfect God create this. And more importantly why?

Only logical answer is a perfect God didn't create us. We created us. Our imperfect selves. There is no perfect God.flip
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Speak for yourself mate, I'm perfect as.
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So that he could look perfect compared to us.

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