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Yet another nail in the coffin for the standard model of the universe.

 
Plasmare (OP)

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09/17/2011 11:35 AM
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Re: Yet another nail in the coffin for the standard model of the universe.
You're a moron. That IS the nature of science (unlike religion) to look for the truth, to change, to adapt, to prove wrong. Science is doing what science does. It took Edison 2,000 attempts to come up with a working light bulb. Bet you'd call that a religion too.

Unless you are steeped in Physics, take your blather elsewhere.
 Quoting: Tired of fools 1531714


Sorry but you seem to have forgotten the scientific method. The basic principles of science.

1. Use your experience: Consider the problem and try to make sense of it. Look for previous explanations. If this is a new problem to you, then move to step 2.

2. Form a conjecture: When nothing else is yet known, try to state an explanation, to someone else, or to your notebook.

3. Deduce a prediction from that explanation: If you assume 2 is true, what consequences follow?

4. Test: Look for the opposite of each consequence in order to disprove 2. It is a logical error to seek 3 directly as proof of 2. This error is called affirming the consequent.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Observe, hypothesize, predict and test. If the prediction fails, the theory is wrong.

There's been countless times where the big bang has failed in the predictions made and yet it's still considered correct. Any person with a shred of rationale and reason can see how flawed the concept of SOMETHING coming from NOTHING. That is like the religious concept of god creating everything from nothing. It is a belief, science is not about beliefs, that is what religion is for. Belief can alter observation. Which in turn will alter the entire scientific method process to reflect the bias of the observer.
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Re: Yet another nail in the coffin for the standard model of the universe.
I studied physics in college. My advisor who wrote a
relativity text, wasn't a big fan of cosmologists. They
tend to make claims far in excess of what there is evidence
for.

Personally it wouldn't surprise me one bit if dark matter
is simply overlooked normal dark matter (cold rocks). Or
is something not currently understood about gravity, or
even another as yet to be discovered force.

Of course it could really be invisible particles. But I've
not seen conclusive evidence to assume it must be.
 Quoting: Mercurius 1464792


Gravity is not that well understood either tounge
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09/17/2011 12:18 PM
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Re: Yet another nail in the coffin for the standard model of the universe.
Just for the record, gravity cancels itself out if sufficient distance can be reached for any mass towards the center of that mass.

So in effect gravitational collapse is impossible. Yet somehow entire stars use it to form gigantic balls of plasma along with planets!

In addition, the newtocentric model of universal formation is bunk, because it it rooted in "spacetime" being a physical object.

Yes, I just made up a new word.

Let me explain.

Putting gravity as the prime mover of the universe is as flawed as putting earth as the center of the universe.

I instead propose the "electrocentric" model of universe formation, a model that does not require "mass, particles, atoms", but instead is all electromagnetic interactions, including the "effect" of gravity.

For the record, moving through "space" and "time" as newtocentric models propose is not necessary and is conceptually flawed.

Space and time are concepts like green and red, they do not exist. You can not "move" through red or green. Time and space are only concepts we use to make sense of the world. Space is that which has no shape, but is defined by the objects around it, so in essence is a concept, nothing more. Time is nothing but the perception of duration, and does not exist outside of observation.

Einstein was way off, and his theories of gravitation need to be buried because they do not incorporate a much powerful force called electromagnetism, and is just classic reification in which physicality is given to a non-physical concept.

Plus, the newtocentric model does not account for large scale plasma structures and electric currents! Also known as galaxies and stars!
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09/17/2011 12:21 PM
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Re: Yet another nail in the coffin for the standard model of the universe.
Theory on planet formation, because gravitational collapse is bunk!

Thread: Gravity is not what scientists think it is, neither are planets!
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09/17/2011 12:28 PM
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Re: Yet another nail in the coffin for the standard model of the universe.
Just for the record, gravity cancels itself out if sufficient distance can be reached for any mass towards the center of that mass.

So in effect gravitational collapse is impossible. Yet somehow entire stars use it to form gigantic balls of plasma along with planets!

In addition, the newtocentric model of universal formation is bunk, because it it rooted in "spacetime" being a physical object.

Yes, I just made up a new word.

Let me explain.

Putting gravity as the prime mover of the universe is as flawed as putting earth as the center of the universe.

I instead propose the "electrocentric" model of universe formation, a model that does not require "mass, particles, atoms", but instead is all electromagnetic interactions, including the "effect" of gravity.

For the record, moving through "space" and "time" as newtocentric models propose is not necessary and is conceptually flawed.

Space and time are concepts like green and red, they do not exist. You can not "move" through red or green. Time and space are only concepts we use to make sense of the world. Space is that which has no shape, but is defined by the objects around it, so in essence is a concept, nothing more. Time is nothing but the perception of duration, and does not exist outside of observation.

Einstein was way off, and his theories of gravitation need to be buried because they do not incorporate a much powerful force called electromagnetism, and is just classic reification in which physicality is given to a non-physical concept.

Plus, the newtocentric model does not account for large scale plasma structures and electric currents! Also known as galaxies and stars!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 984918


You're right about time, it's nothing more than a human measurement of motion and change. It doesn't actually exist and therefore things like traveling in time can only be possible if you recreate the universe and everything in it as it was at that "point" in "time". Something happened in the scientific establishment around 1910-1930 which has derailed science and our search for the truth about reality and the universe. And it continues to haunt us to this day like a ghost.
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Re: Yet another nail in the coffin for the standard model of the universe.
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