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Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 04/29/2012 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro's explanation:refraction spike. The first pic has refraction spikes, this look like something a bit different to me. Quoting: Seer777 Wrong. The correct term is DIFFRACTION spike, not refraction spike. Furthermore, the reason it changes mid-stream is because of a seam in the stitched mosaic. I already explained all this before: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Top of one film plate: [link to archive.stsci.edu] Bottom of the other that they stitched it with: [link to archive.stsci.edu] When you stitch those two together, this is what you get: [link to i319.photobucket.com] The diffraction spike is different in the two because Sirius is at a completely different position relative to the optical axis in each image; in one, it's in the image, in the other it's off-image and above the telescope's field of view. This is what you get for using a secondary source of information rather than the raw individual film plates from which the mosaic was derived. In other words, sloppy research technique. /debunked What's debunked Astro? The image or the question? Last Edited by Seer777 on 04/29/2012 05:43 PM Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 04/29/2012 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro's explanation:refraction spike. The first pic has refraction spikes, this look like something a bit different to me. Quoting: Seer777 Wrong. The correct term is DIFFRACTION spike, not refraction spike. Furthermore, the reason it changes mid-stream is because of a seam in the stitched mosaic. I already explained all this before: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Top of one film plate: [link to archive.stsci.edu] Bottom of the other that they stitched it with: [link to archive.stsci.edu] When you stitch those two together, this is what you get: [link to i319.photobucket.com] The diffraction spike is different in the two because Sirius is at a completely different position relative to the optical axis in each image; in one, it's in the image, in the other it's off-image and above the telescope's field of view. This is what you get for using a secondary source of information rather than the raw individual film plates from which the mosaic was derived. In other words, sloppy research technique. /debunked What's debunked Astro? The image or the question? The notion that there's anything odd about the diffraction spike, as well as your sloppy research technique. I notice you utterly failed to address any of my points, therefore they stand. Last Edited by Astromut on 04/29/2012 05:45 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 663503 United States 04/29/2012 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro's explanation:refraction spike. The first pic has refraction spikes, this look like something a bit different to me. Quoting: Seer777 Wrong. The correct term is DIFFRACTION spike, not refraction spike. Furthermore, the reason it changes mid-stream is because of a seam in the stitched mosaic. I already explained all this before: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Top of one film plate: [link to archive.stsci.edu] Bottom of the other that they stitched it with: [link to archive.stsci.edu] When you stitch those two together, this is what you get: [link to i319.photobucket.com] The diffraction spike is different in the two because Sirius is at a completely different position relative to the optical axis in each image; in one, it's in the image, in the other it's off-image and above the telescope's field of view. This is what you get for using a secondary source of information rather than the raw individual film plates from which the mosaic was derived. In other words, sloppy research technique. /debunked Why the fuck would you stitch those two together? And why is nothing else out of frame? |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 04/29/2012 05:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro's explanation:refraction spike. The first pic has refraction spikes, this look like something a bit different to me. Quoting: Seer777 Wrong. The correct term is DIFFRACTION spike, not refraction spike. Furthermore, the reason it changes mid-stream is because of a seam in the stitched mosaic. I already explained all this before: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Top of one film plate: [link to archive.stsci.edu] Bottom of the other that they stitched it with: [link to archive.stsci.edu] When you stitch those two together, this is what you get: [link to i319.photobucket.com] The diffraction spike is different in the two because Sirius is at a completely different position relative to the optical axis in each image; in one, it's in the image, in the other it's off-image and above the telescope's field of view. This is what you get for using a secondary source of information rather than the raw individual film plates from which the mosaic was derived. In other words, sloppy research technique. /debunked Why the fuck would you stitch those two together? And why is nothing else out of frame? Dude, the image at the bottom of the film plate is just that, it's at the bottom of the film plate. The image at the top of the film plate is the start of that film plate, not the end. It covers much more of the sky below it, but they stitched it in about that spot where there was overlap for their software to match up the stars and stitch the plate images together. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 663503 United States 04/29/2012 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro's explanation:refraction spike. The first pic has refraction spikes, this look like something a bit different to me. Quoting: Seer777 Wrong. The correct term is DIFFRACTION spike, not refraction spike. Furthermore, the reason it changes mid-stream is because of a seam in the stitched mosaic. I already explained all this before: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Top of one film plate: [link to archive.stsci.edu] Bottom of the other that they stitched it with: [link to archive.stsci.edu] When you stitch those two together, this is what you get: [link to i319.photobucket.com] The diffraction spike is different in the two because Sirius is at a completely different position relative to the optical axis in each image; in one, it's in the image, in the other it's off-image and above the telescope's field of view. This is what you get for using a secondary source of information rather than the raw individual film plates from which the mosaic was derived. In other words, sloppy research technique. /debunked Why the fuck would you stitch those two together? And why is nothing else out of frame? Dude, the image at the bottom of the film plate is just that, it's at the bottom of the film plate. The image at the top of the film plate is the start of that film plate, not the end. It covers much more of the sky below it, but they stitched it in about that spot where there was overlap for their software to match up the stars and stitch the plate images together. You say they, but I thought you said before that it's an automatic thing when Sirius glare is too bright. Still doesn't explain why there's only a spike in the overlap. |
Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 04/29/2012 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I cleaned it up a bit. It took like five minutes. Maybe 'they' can take my new enhanced image and place it back over the hole in Google Sky and Sky-Map.org. A type of 'mask' for the 'mask'. She is so beautiful. It is such a shame they are hiding her. Last Edited by Seer777 on 04/29/2012 06:30 PM Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 04/29/2012 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut Wrong. The correct term is DIFFRACTION spike, not refraction spike. Furthermore, the reason it changes mid-stream is because of a seam in the stitched mosaic. I already explained all this before: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Top of one film plate: [link to archive.stsci.edu] Bottom of the other that they stitched it with: [link to archive.stsci.edu] When you stitch those two together, this is what you get: [link to i319.photobucket.com] The diffraction spike is different in the two because Sirius is at a completely different position relative to the optical axis in each image; in one, it's in the image, in the other it's off-image and above the telescope's field of view. This is what you get for using a secondary source of information rather than the raw individual film plates from which the mosaic was derived. In other words, sloppy research technique. /debunked Why the fuck would you stitch those two together? And why is nothing else out of frame? Dude, the image at the bottom of the film plate is just that, it's at the bottom of the film plate. The image at the top of the film plate is the start of that film plate, not the end. It covers much more of the sky below it, but they stitched it in about that spot where there was overlap for their software to match up the stars and stitch the plate images together. You say they, but I thought you said before that it's an automatic thing when Sirius glare is too bright. Still doesn't explain why there's only a spike in the overlap. You're not making any sense at all. I don't think you understand how diffraction spikes work, nor do you understand how its affected by whether or not the star is in the field of view. There isn't "only" a spike in the overlap, there's a spike in BOTH images. I showed you BOTH images separately AND stitched and STILL you don't get it. I don't know how to dumb it down any further. It's really simple, there's a spike in BOTH plates, the plates were stitched together, the spike looks different in each plate because Sirius is only in the field of view in one of the plates. |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 04/29/2012 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see no difference other than the text and resizing. Maybe dicking a bit with the levels, but nothing too significant. It is such a shame they are hiding her. Quoting: SeerThey aren't. The data was always there. Google sky is not a primary source of any sky survey data. If you want the raw data, you must go to the primary sources. That is proper research technique. |
Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 04/29/2012 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's where we will just have to agree to disagree, Astro. You can hold your perception and I will hold mine. To me it seems very obvious exactly what is going on based on intuition when I view the image. Hiding In Plain Sight. I personally really like the new image, but again... Thanks for directing me to it. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 04/29/2012 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's where we will just have to agree to disagree, Astro. You can hold your perception and I will hold mine. It's not a matter of opinion, the data is there, your mistake was in trying to get sky survey data from google sky. Thanks for directing me to it. Quoting: seerYou still don't seem to understand your mistake. How do you think I got that image data in the first place? I did what you should have to begin with; I went to the primary source for the data, not google sky. It's not hidden, anyone can access it. |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 04/29/2012 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sirius is an incredibly bright star. So much so that it completely over-exposed the film plates used by the Palomar Sky Survey, which is where the "censored" image comes from. The "censoring" was to remove or block the part of the film emulsion that would expose the central part of sirius. The diffraction spikes and some of the glare is still there, but you can make out far more stars closer in to Sirius than you otherwise would. Bear in mind this was before the days of CCDs and digital imaging, so they couldn't just shut off individual pixels precisely and cleanly. Doing this though allowed fewer stars to be obscured by the glare of Sirius. Quoting: Astromut Here's a comparison image I made using the original source data from the individual film plates, which you won't find at a secondary source of sky survey data like Google Sky. First up is the familiar "censored" image: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Now here's an "uncensored" image using the same telescope but with film plates that did not obscure the light from Sirius at all: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Note how many more stars are drowned out by the light of Sirius in the second image. Huh, posted october 2011, guess you haven't been actually reading my posts and following the links I've been giving you Seer. That would explain why you still don't get it. |
Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 04/29/2012 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's where we will just have to agree to disagree, Astro. You can hold your perception and I will hold mine. It's not a matter of opinion, the data is there, your mistake was in trying to get sky survey data from google sky. Thanks for directing me to it. Quoting: seerYou still don't seem to understand your mistake. How do you think I got that image data in the first place? I did what you should have to begin with; I went to the primary source for the data, not google sky. It's not hidden, anyone can access it. The question is, WHY has Sirius A been removed from GOOGLE SKY? Not, IS it possible to find an image of Sirius A on the internet if one looks hard enough? I have a feeling you are a 'last word' type of person Astro. That is a form of control manifesting through the fear of looking 'one-uped'. I feel you tend to avoid that, under any circumstance. Sometimes a little humility is key to a greater rise. You have challenged me in that past and your nature is very pushy. Some what curt and forceful. Often sharp. People respond better when treated with respect for their humanity, especially when challenging beliefs. I know you are as passionate about the Sky as I am, Astro. And that makes us kin. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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WuDStefoto User ID: 15186261 Belgium 04/29/2012 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | not bad OP : ))) Quoting: WuDStefoto with the binary system I kinda agree but listen to me - IF IF something trule is coming to drive-by heheh - it will really ignite Jupiter for to have the""TRIPPLE SOLAR SYSTEM SHINE""-thing ;DDD hehehe - Jupiter is right at the other side of the Sun now and this year.. so If we are already in a binary - prepare to go in TRIPPLE : D donT worry stay positive - remember - WE ARE IMMORTAL SOULS haveing hu-man experience not the other way round ^^ ;DDD im telling Ya....hes on to something hahaha Belgium...small country ...big minds well done Morpheus! hehehe word up bro - tho, Im not with belgium nationality I still think there's GOSU-people everywhere and yes - you are right - I AM ON SOMETHING ;DD I AM ON SUN LIGHT : )))))))))))))))) These dayz through THA REAL RAP (element of hip-hop) -> (THERE iS NO REAL RAP ON TV or RADiOs) <- is the only way youths listen to the Prophets !!! PROOF -> CAN YOU CATCH iT??? [link to www.youtube.com] rememba: FEAR iS THA MiND-KiLLAH LiGHT = iNFORMATiON ;D peace2daUNIVERSE |
Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 04/29/2012 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | not bad OP : ))) Quoting: WuDStefoto with the binary system I kinda agree but listen to me - IF IF something trule is coming to drive-by heheh - it will really ignite Jupiter for to have the""TRIPPLE SOLAR SYSTEM SHINE""-thing ;DDD hehehe - Jupiter is right at the other side of the Sun now and this year.. so If we are already in a binary - prepare to go in TRIPPLE : D donT worry stay positive - remember - WE ARE IMMORTAL SOULS haveing hu-man experience not the other way round ^^ ;DDD im telling Ya....hes on to something hahaha Belgium...small country ...big minds well done Morpheus! hehehe word up bro - tho, Im not with belgium nationality I still think there's GOSU-people everywhere and yes - you are right - I AM ON SOMETHING ;DD I AM ON SUN LIGHT : )))))))))))))))) Me too. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 04/29/2012 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut That's where we will just have to agree to disagree, Astro. You can hold your perception and I will hold mine. It's not a matter of opinion, the data is there, your mistake was in trying to get sky survey data from google sky. Thanks for directing me to it. Quoting: seerYou still don't seem to understand your mistake. How do you think I got that image data in the first place? I did what you should have to begin with; I went to the primary source for the data, not google sky. It's not hidden, anyone can access it. The question is, WHY has Sirius A been removed from GOOGLE SKY? Not, IS it possible to find an image of Sirius A on the internet if one looks hard enough? The latter is not the question I answered. You still don't get it. Google sky is not a primary source of sky survey data. I will say it again. Google sky is not a primary source of sky survey data. If you go to the primary source of the same sky survey data that google sky used to make their mosaic you can find an unmasked image of Sirius just fine. I have a feeling you are a 'last word' type of person Astro. Quoting: SeerStop distorting what I'm saying, admit your mistake, correct your sloppy research technique, and I'll let you have all the last words you want. That is a form of control manifesting through the fear of looking 'one-uped'. Quoting: SeerLMFAO! Oh no dear, I have no such fear, I know (apparently better than you) how completely I just debunked you. I don't care how you perceive, I know how it actually is and that's all that matters to me. I'm rather enjoying this. |
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Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 04/29/2012 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lots, I suspect. I seriously don't think she even knows how badly she just got pwned. I rest my case. I see it as the very opposite and you can leave it up the the reader to choose whom they want to believe and what resonates with them personally. This thread has a lot more content than a single image. And it is your choice to focus on that alone. I have heard your answer to this statement the last time I made it to you. The image is merely a way for people to ask themselves a question, then reflect on it. Reflection achieved. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15269116 New Zealand 04/29/2012 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lots, I suspect. I seriously don't think she even knows how badly she just got pwned. I rest my case. I see it as the very opposite and you can leave it up the the reader to choose whom they want to believe and what resonates with them personally. This thread has a lot more content than a single image. And it is your choice to focus on that alone. I have heard your answer to this statement the last time I made it to you. The image is merely a way for people to ask themselves a question, then reflect on it. Reflection achieved. :SiriusSkyMap.org: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 946000 Australia 04/29/2012 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lots, I suspect. I seriously don't think she even knows how badly she just got pwned. I rest my case. I see it as the very opposite and you can leave it up the the reader to choose whom they want to believe and what resonates with them personally. This thread has a lot more content than a single image. And it is your choice to focus on that alone. I have heard your answer to this statement the last time I made it to you. The image is merely a way for people to ask themselves a question, then reflect on it. Reflection achieved. :SiriusSkyMap.org: |
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Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 04/29/2012 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP,why did you delete my post and ban me from the thread? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15286169 if TPTB wanted us to not see the star, they woud remove it entirely, not just stick a mask over it. I did not ban you. Not sure were you are getting that. I deleted your post because I found it to be off topic and projection presented as Truth. Personally, I don't believe TGPTB have any desire to 'remove' Sirius A. As a matter of fact, I believe just the opposite. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |