WHY HAS SIRIUS A BEEN REMOVED FROM GOOGLE SKY? The Hopi Prophesy. The Dogon. Nibiru. | |
Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 04/29/2012 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ha sorry seer I did not comment on the post as the bully got me a little hot under the collar. Quoting: Freyr 14686493 It is a wonderful thread very informative, put together very well, I have been wanting to read up on the Hopi and was going to put some time aside soon for just that task, you have wetted my apatite so many thanks and loads of love. I C U Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1709374 United States 04/29/2012 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Perhaps, but I don't care, and it's utterly irrelevant. Why do you always force your opinion! Quoting: ACThat's just it, it's not merely a matter of opinion, it is a matter of facts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they are not entitled to their own facts. and the others here that like to hog certain threads and use insults to control opinions. Quoting: ACInsults? No, I'm not using insults to control opinions, I'm simply pointing out the facts, I'm just not very gentle about it (though I could just resort to blatant insults, but I've actually been holding my tongue). I don't particularly feel obligated to be nice to those who refer to me as "assmut" and other variations on that theme, indeed it was yet-another accusation of being a shill that revived this thread and brought me back to it again, but my form of addressing the manner is irrelevant and is not the substance of my argument. The question you failed to answer with any substance was... Quoting: ACWhy delete it from google sky? Wrong. I answered that question with lots of substance. "Big programs" have nothing to do with it. Thanks for proving you don't know what you're talking about. How do you think those "big programs" get astrometric data for all those stars? With all sky surveys! That's how! And yes, they are limited by the glare from bright stars and that is PRECISELY why images like that exist!!!! Quoting: astro[link to www.bisque.com] Sirius is an incredibly bright star. So much so that it completely over-exposed the film plates used by the Palomar Sky Survey, which is where the "censored" image comes from. The "censoring" was to remove or block the part of the film emulsion that would expose the central part of sirius. The diffraction spikes and some of the glare is still there, but you can make out far more stars closer in to Sirius than you otherwise would. Bear in mind this was before the days of CCDs and digital imaging, so they couldn't just shut off individual pixels precisely and cleanly. Doing this though allowed fewer stars to be obscured by the glare of Sirius. Quoting: Astromut Here's a comparison image I made using the original source data from the individual film plates, which you won't find at a secondary source of sky survey data like Google Sky. First up is the familiar "censored" image: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Now here's an "uncensored" image using the same telescope but with film plates that did not obscure the light from Sirius at all: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Note how many more stars are drowned out by the light of Sirius in the second image. you say it is to cut down the light exposure so you can see the smaller stars, but yet you say that a real astronomer would not use those programs for research and would go to the original plates. Quoting: ACSo why bother blocking it if REAL RESEARCHERS lol do not use those programs? Real researchers do not use Google sky to access sky survey data because it's not a primary source of sky survey data. That means google didn't take those images, those images were already taken years beforehand and can be accessed directly without google's processing to make it a stitched mosaic that can be easily and rapidly streamed over the internet. In other words, it was already "blocked" to reveal those stars long before google came along, google simply grabbed the data to make a mosaic out of it for use in their google sky program. Google doesn't specialize in astronomy, they probably didn't even realize that they could have used an alternative plate, in fact they probably used a batch process to grab the data rather than hand selecting it plate by plate. I do not care either way for your reply I am pointing out that what you have given as an explanation added with some of your other rude uncouth comments just does not add up. Quoting: ACWell you're flat-out wrong. You ignored my explanation and then pretended like it didn't exist, but I already explained it. |
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Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 04/29/2012 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh yes, lots of "love." Astromut, do you remember that the wages for sin is death? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15177811 Lie is a GREAT sin!!! You can keep your "love" to yourself. None of those posts came from me. You can not attribute anothers words to me. Either way, I could feel the love. From those who chose to give it out. I thank you. It's not easy holding court with you Astro. My patience has remained unbreakable. However, I wouldn't mind if the Mutt found another bone to chew on. Peace Astro Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1709374 United States 04/30/2012 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh yes, lots of "love." Astromut, do you remember that the wages for sin is death? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15177811 Lie is a GREAT sin!!! You can keep your "love" to yourself. None of those posts came from me. You can not attribute anothers words to me. I didn't say they did, but you asked me if I could feel the love. I answered you. |
Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 04/30/2012 12:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah Seer, I see you've adopted the same attitude as your banished mentor. "My thread, my rules." A favorite saying of IV. Of course, that ego didn't work out so well for him, did it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15227908 I will write this response to you and then delete your post. "Abusive and off-topic posts will be deleted" I have been placing that sentence in my threads since I joined this forum in September. I found IV's 'Secrets' thread in December. No one can deny GLP can be a nasty place if you engage and entertain such behavior. I am here to teach and not engage trolls, abusers, shills, etc... My wisdom is free to all who choose to seek of it. I wrote this thread in September of 2011. Some of my perceptions and views have changed since that time. When one writes a piece in a space of time, time doesn't stop for progress to continue moving forward as the soul continues to push ever higher. You post is completely off-topic and a direct attack from perceptions you hold. Last Edited by Seer777 on 04/30/2012 12:09 AM Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15227908 United States 04/30/2012 12:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah Seer, I see you've adopted the same attitude as your banished mentor. "My thread, my rules." A favorite saying of IV. Of course, that ego didn't work out so well for him, did it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15227908 I will write this response to you and then delete your post. "Abusive and off-topic posts will be deleted" I have been placing that sentence in my threads since I joined this forum. No one can deny GLP can be a nasty place if you engage and entertain such behavior. I am here to teach and not engage trolls, abusers, shills, etc... My wisdom is free to all who choose to seek of it. I wrote this thread in September of 2011. Some of my perceptions and views have changed since that time. When one writes a piece in a space of time, time doesn't stop for progress to continue moving forward as the soul continues to push ever higher. You post is completely off-topic and a direct attack from perceptions you hold. In other words, you will dodge the question again. That's fine. I see you still refuse to acknowledge the nastiness coming from those who hold your perceptions, while readily chastising all others. That's fine too. Go ahead and delete the post. Hiding the truth won't change it. As for you wisdom, remember when IV claimed he made the moon disappear, and you believed him? Remember when he posted a video of an opossum and claimed it was a giant rat? Is that the kind of wisdom you're referring to? If so, I think I can do without it. |
Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 3018467 United States 04/30/2012 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah Seer, I see you've adopted the same attitude as your banished mentor. "My thread, my rules." A favorite saying of IV. Of course, that ego didn't work out so well for him, did it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15227908 I will write this response to you and then delete your post. "Abusive and off-topic posts will be deleted" I have been placing that sentence in my threads since I joined this forum. No one can deny GLP can be a nasty place if you engage and entertain such behavior. I am here to teach and not engage trolls, abusers, shills, etc... My wisdom is free to all who choose to seek of it. I wrote this thread in September of 2011. Some of my perceptions and views have changed since that time. When one writes a piece in a space of time, time doesn't stop for progress to continue moving forward as the soul continues to push ever higher. You post is completely off-topic and a direct attack from perceptions you hold. In other words, you will dodge the question again. That's fine. I see you still refuse to acknowledge the nastiness coming from those who hold your perceptions, while readily chastising all others. That's fine too. Go ahead and delete the post. Hiding the truth won't change it. As for you wisdom, remember when IV claimed he made the moon disappear, and you believed him? Remember when he posted a video of an opossum and claimed it was a giant rat? Is that the kind of wisdom you're referring to? If so, I think I can do without it. Then you have made your choice. What I believe and what I don't believe is my business until I offer it freely of myself. I am not here to prove anything to you. Perception is Everything. Good luck to you. Thanks for watching. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
DUCM900 User ID: 15299405 Italy 04/30/2012 02:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NOW folks, open your mind a bit and tell me why they do this (ridiculous) graphic covering job to that 'star'. Last Edited by IWASTHERE on 04/30/2012 03:03 AM |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1709374 United States 04/30/2012 03:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NOW folks, open your mind a bit and tell me why they do this (ridiculous) graphic covering job to that 'star'. Excellent, another place for me to spread the truth! Thanks! And again, it allowed them to see more stars closer to Sirius than the unmasked version, which is also readily available but google sky/microsoft failed to use. |
DUCM900 User ID: 15299405 Italy 04/30/2012 03:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I said to folks to open your mind a bit, so you are not and you bot still continue to spam the thread with that nonsense over and over again. At this point I suggest the OP to take measures against trolling/spam. |
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freyr User ID: 15308898 United Kingdom 04/30/2012 07:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I cant be bothered breaking your post down, it is getting a little long winded. You do not care that you are rude, yet you complain to seer about being called assmut and the like, why do you think you are called those names! I would assume it is because of the way you interact with others. you still did not explain, why would they block it out on those certain programs that the public use not researchers, there I re worded it for you as I think you did not understand what I meant, you say researchers do not use those research methods as they are not good enough 'basically' so why bother blocking out the star on only the research software the public would use, as another poster put here they and myself would get lost within those complicated software programs, so it appears that the star is blocked for public viewing unless you are an established researcher. It does not add up, sorry I do not wish to argue with you or let this conversation degrade in to nonsensical name calling. I will agree to disagree as your explanation along with your other comments on this have raised more questions for me than answers. Good day. |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1709374 United States 04/30/2012 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you still did not explain, why would they block it out on those certain programs that the public use not researchers, there I re worded it for you as I think you did not understand what I meant, you say researchers do not use those research methods as they are not good enough 'basically' Quoting: freyr 15308898 It appears to me that it is you who are still not understanding what I'm saying. A) Real researchers do not use google sky as a way of accessing sky survey data; it's not a primary source, and it's not as high quality as the primary source data. B) The primary source data used by google sky WAS made for researchers and existed YEARS before google sky ever did. Google didn't take those images, those images were already taken years beforehand and can be accessed directly without google's processing to make it a stitched mosaic that can be easily and rapidly streamed over the internet. In other words, it was already "blocked" to reveal those stars long before google came along, google simply grabbed the data to make a mosaic out of it for use in their google sky program. Google doesn't specialize in astronomy, they probably didn't even realize that they could have used an alternative plate, in fact they probably used a batch process to grab the data rather than hand selecting it plate by plate. That is why it is "blocked" in google sky. You get what you deserve if your extent of accessing sky survey data is "google sky" or "Microsoft WWT." That is not what those programs are for, they are not primary sources. Last Edited by Astromut on 04/30/2012 08:21 AM |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 04/30/2012 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You do not care that you are rude, yet you complain to seer about being called assmut and the like, why do you think you are called those names! Quoting: freyr 15308898 Complain? No, I was asked if I felt the love in here, I simply showed how much "love" was being directed my way. Not a complaint, just responding to the question. Question. What names did I call them? Last Edited by Astromut on 04/30/2012 08:28 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15310333 United States 04/30/2012 08:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You do not care that you are rude, yet you complain to seer about being called assmut and the like, why do you think you are called those names! Quoting: freyr 15308898 Complain? No, I was asked if I felt the love in here, I simply showed how much "love" was being directed my way. Not a complaint, just responding to the question. Question. What names did I call them? Astro I commend you on your comments and knowledge, those of us that are listening learn a lot from you. If only others could pull that veil up and listen to both sides of reasoning instead of reading something and believing in it, Youtube videos and Google are not a source of solid information. |
DUCM900 User ID: 15299405 Italy 04/30/2012 08:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by IWASTHERE on 04/30/2012 09:16 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4215390 France 04/30/2012 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is that images from NASA has been removed in Google Sky as well, don't matter if those images are not owned by google, the fact is that google are using it and has lots and lots visits per day, so it can be used for info/disinfo as well to the mass. This an Elementary Concept (so not for stupid spamtrollbots). Quoting: DUCM900 Maybe they do it on purpose because they know conspiracy nuts will go "omg something's hidden here!!!" Then they'll go crazy clicking all over google sky looking for more hidden stuff and drive googles hits. Then the rumors start floating around and spreading, which brings even more conspiracy nuts to drive up their clicks. Just a thought. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13413823 United States 04/30/2012 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is that images from NASA has been removed in Google Sky as well, don't matter if those images are not owned by google, the fact is that google are using it and has lots and lots visits per day, so it can be used for info/disinfo as well to the mass. This an Elementary Concept (so not for stupid spamtrollbots). Quoting: DUCM900 Maybe they do it on purpose because they know conspiracy nuts will go "omg something's hidden here!!!" Then they'll go crazy clicking all over google sky looking for more hidden stuff and drive googles hits. Then the rumors start floating around and spreading, which brings even more conspiracy nuts to drive up their clicks. Just a thought. That could possibly be very true, I mean, how many people actually use Google Sky for education, I can see children using it in the classroom, but, surely adults don't think it is 100% correct/fact ... do they |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13680054 United States 04/30/2012 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just checked google sky this am...and a big red X covers Sirius...very interesting...for it was not there last week! Quoting: settle4it And sometimes I can open Google Eath and notice a big red X over Yellowstone because my overlay hasn't loaded ... does that mean Yellowstone has gone or possibly moved to New York ? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1389834 Puerto Rico 04/30/2012 09:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just checked google sky this am...and a big red X covers Sirius...very interesting...for it was not there last week! Quoting: settle4it And sometimes I can open Google Eath and notice a big red X over Yellowstone because my overlay hasn't loaded ... does that mean Yellowstone has gone or possibly moved to New York ? Nah....Big Foot took it! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15227908 United States 04/30/2012 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is these images from NASA has been removed in Google Sky as well, don't matter if those images are not owned by google, the fact is that google are using it and Google Sky is pretty popular, it has lots and lots visits per day, SO it can be used for info/disinfo as well to the mass. This a very Elementary Concept (so not for stupid arrogant spamtrollbotshills). Quoting: DUCM900 If they wanted to hide something, why wouldn't they post an edited/fake image? They could easily just airbrush anything they didn't want you to see, and nobody would no the difference. This is what they would do if they were actually hiding something. They wouldn't post a big freakin' attention-grabbing hole in their skymap. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15227908 United States 04/30/2012 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact is these images from NASA has been removed in Google Sky as well, don't matter if those images are not owned by google, the fact is that google are using it and Google Sky is pretty popular, it has lots and lots visits per day, SO it can be used for info/disinfo as well to the mass. This a very Elementary Concept (so not for stupid arrogant spamtrollbotshills). Quoting: DUCM900 If they wanted to hide something, why wouldn't they post an edited/fake image? They could easily just airbrush anything they didn't want you to see, and nobody would no the difference. This is what they would do if they were actually hiding something. They wouldn't post a big freakin' attention-grabbing hole in their skymap. Ugh, that "no" should be "know." It's too early for grammar. |
DUCM900 User ID: 15299405 Italy 04/30/2012 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If they wanted to hide something, why wouldn't they post an edited/fake image? They could easily just airbrush anything they didn't want you to see, and nobody would no the difference. This is what they would do if they were actually hiding something. They wouldn't post a big freakin' attention-grabbing hole in their skymap. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15227908 That's the point as well. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15227908 United States 04/30/2012 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If they wanted to hide something, why wouldn't they post an edited/fake image? They could easily just airbrush anything they didn't want you to see, and nobody would no the difference. This is what they would do if they were actually hiding something. They wouldn't post a big freakin' attention-grabbing hole in their skymap. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15227908 That's the point as well. The point is, you want to twist it into a conspiracy when it's not. If you wanted to cover something up, you could do so far more effectively than just making a glaringly obvious omission. |