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Will the real Jesus please stand up?

 
ObeWayneKenobe

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How you say it, "God will show us the way.", I would say
God's grace is working in us and always with our cooperation, our choice, both.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559201:

Yes, God's "grace" indeed! :)

I truly marvel at LOVE'S Grace, that enables us to be able to communicate openly with each other.........even though our perceptions may vary so widely! :)

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Hello to everyone,

I had intended to be here today, but the tiredness from the temporary new hours I have been keeping hit me today in a REALLY big way, so thankfully, I have been able to get a little extra sleep and rest today.

Tonight I will be going out with my guy, so I look forward to seeing if y'all have posted while I'm gone. I STILL plan to share the thoughts I had as I woke up a couple of days ago, but that will have to wait.

Until I come back, if anyone is interested in taking a look at John chapter three....specifically the part where Jesus interacts with the man named Nicodemus....I would be curious to see what you think God is telling us who Jesus is in that passage.

And I realize that not everyone out there is a Bible reader. No problem....but if you are curious there are some web Bibles that are free. I don't remember the website addresses, but I know there are those here that do, so if you are someone who has a favorite link for that, please feel free to post your recommendations.

Have a wonderful evening!

Jen
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Tonight I will be going out with my guy, so I look forward to seeing if y'all have posted while I'm gone. I STILL plan to share the thoughts I had as I woke up a couple of days ago, but that will have to wait.
 Quoting: Jenann


Enjoy that to the full, OP!

Your choice of John 3 will probably evoke a great number of comments from across the spectrum of belief!

hf
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Tonight I will be going out with my guy, so I look forward to seeing if y'all have posted while I'm gone. I STILL plan to share the thoughts I had as I woke up a couple of days ago, but that will have to wait.
 Quoting: Jenann


Enjoy that to the full, OP!

Your choice of John 3 will probably evoke a great number of comments from across the spectrum of belief!

hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


I hope you two have a great time.

I agree with L&L... John 3 will certainly heat things up!
Can anyone say Mary? lol
hf

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This is for Rick from Austrailia...

Hi Rick,

Thanks for those thoughts you offered about the situation we discussed. After I read them, I posted a reply. Part of the reply included asking you if you thought it would be wise to delete our conversation due to my possible inappropriateness of discussing the sensitive situation here. I waited for a time to see if you would return, and then decided that it would be better to be safe than sorry, so to speak, and now it is gone.

So please know that what you said about the situation was very good and helpful, and that the deletion has everything to do with my blabbering mouth and saying too much. If you ever end up getting an account here, I have a question for you now that I know you have experience in helping people in specific ways.

So, I'm sorry your words were deleted, and I hope you understand why. I have never deleted posts before, and it is pretty uncomfortable doing it.

Jen
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Hi again,

Nah it's all good with me :) No hard feelings ;)
I am glad it helped a little, and that's all that counts, Not sure if I will get an account, only because my time is nearly up on the internet, I have written everything I have needed to :) Been on for 6 years now on internet land, and have left my mark, any one is welcome to google my name Ricky Klappers, Plenty of info their :) And your question may already have been answered ;)

Take great care Jen

Namaste

Rick
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Will you share, what do you believe the "continual sacrifice" is in Daniel?

rose rose rose
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Hello Mary,


Sorry for the delay in responding to your question.

Are you referring to a certain Bible passage?

Such as this one:

15 Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that openly profess his name. 16 And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased. (Heb 13)






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i got caught up in a ban, wonderful ploy to make people register and become paying members, i think........

i see didn't miss anything though :)


hello daniel jenann and everyone.
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For the record: You should not abandon your church.



 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


It can't be "your" church, the Bible is inerrant.
It's Church, bride of Christ...singular.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559201




It was not capitalized on purpose. To make it more clear:

You should not abandon your RCC. (You just need to discern the good from the bad:)

Furthermore,

We disagree regarding the Bride and the Church:

Here is The Church:

19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
(Eph 2)


Here is the Bride:

Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God
,
(Rev 21)






>)
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Hmmmmm........
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i got caught up in a ban, wonderful ploy to make people register and become paying members, i think........

i see didn't miss anything though :)


hello daniel jenann and everyone.
 Quoting: ravenous rant


Hi Ravenous,

I've heard other people talking about being banned, and I was not ever able to quite understand what was going on, so I'm glad you're not banned anymore!

You can call me Jen, by the way. It's my real name, and the Ann is just my middle name.

Hey, going back to the root and sticking to the apostolic tradition, I was wondering how you define that, because some people include Paul and others don't.

Jen
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For the record: You should not abandon your church.



 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


It can't be "your" church, the Bible is inerrant.
It's Church, bride of Christ...singular.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559201




It was not capitalized on purpose. To make it more clear:

You should not abandon your RCC. (You just need to discern the good from the bad:)

Furthermore,

We disagree regarding the Bride and the Church:

Here is The Church:

19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
(Eph 2)


Here is the Bride:

Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God
,
(Rev 21)






>)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1887565


Hi Daniel,

I was hoping you would clarify, so I would not misunderstand what you are saying.

I get what you mean about the church, but I can't tell what you mean about the bride. Do you think the bride is the city that is seen or the city and the people that will be there? Or is it something else?
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Hmmmmm........
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Hi, if you come back, I would be interested to find out what is behind the Hmmmmm.

Jen
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Hi all,

My team won!!!!!!! If a person asked me what my favorite TV show is, I would reply, "college football"'. I love pro football and MLB too.

And speaking of teams, I see people have been talking about the church lately, and I suppose we could sort of see it as Jesus' team, and I definitely think we are not talking about the church as an institution, but the church as the body of believers working together with Jesus as our "head".

If I were in charge of the world, I would have been too afraid to use a bunch of messed up people to represent me to the world. I probably would have somehow tried to do it all myself. This is all the human in me speaking.

Then considering God, as our creator, how is it that he decided to reach people the way he does? It seems to me that relationships are pretty important to him in his "methodology".

What I am getting at is if God existed as just God, and being perfect and unchanging, how is it that he could perfectly work in relationships? Is it possible that his existence as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit has something to do with why and how he approaches us both individually and through people?
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Hmmmmm........
 Quoting: Sword0vGideon


Hi, if you come back, I would be interested to find out what is behind the Hmmmmm.

Jen
 Quoting: Jenann




lol


He got his 'handle' back. sorta


Ravenous is swordov Gideon.


(Sorta Gideon)


:)
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Do you think the bride is the city that is seen or the city and the people that will be there?
 Quoting: Jenann



Does this help?...


Revelation 22:17

17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.





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YEP! Ravenous is sword of Gideon, I think I posted something hateful and got kicked so I got a new handle,

Now.......... Whatever happened to neim777?!......." lol
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God the Son,
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Are you sure?







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God the Son,
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Are you sure?







:)
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Sure Jesus is God, it's part of his inheritance and for doing the Fathers will.
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God the Son,
 Quoting: Jenann




Are you sure?




 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1927454


Sure Jesus is God, it's part of his inheritance and for doing the Fathers will.
 Quoting: Sword0vGideon



What is your inheritance?





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God the Son,
 Quoting: Jenann




Are you sure?







:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1927454


Sure Jesus is God, it's part of his inheritance and for doing the Fathers will.
 Quoting: Sword0vGideon


Actually, it's more like high/Holy King, high Priest etc.

There is only God the Father.

Jesus says worship God (the Father), the angels in revelations say, worship God (the Father) and the Holy Spirit point to God the Father as well.......

Therefore, we worship God the Father, it's the will of our Lord.
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God the Son,
 Quoting: Jenann




Are you sure?




 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1927454


Sure Jesus is God, it's part of his inheritance and for doing the Fathers will.
 Quoting: Sword0vGideon



What is your inheritance?





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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1927454

We are co-inheritors with Christ, which explains why we are made kings and priests......
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God the Son,
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Are you sure?)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1927454


Sure Jesus is God, it's part of his inheritance and for doing the Fathers will.
 Quoting: Sword0vGideon


Actually, it's more like high/Holy King, high Priest etc.

There is only God the Father.
Jesus says worship God (the Father), the angels in revelations say, worship God (the Father) and the Holy Spirit point to God the Father as well.......

Therefore, we worship God the Father, it's the will of our Lord.
 Quoting: Sword0vGideon




Much better!






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Sorry, I am playing with this iPad 2

Not thinking really I guess :)
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so, where did everyone go?
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Oh my gosh, Jen, Daniel, Life and Love, Obe, ravenous, everyone,

Prophecy makes clear, makes explicit God's word. Talking
about "offering sacrifice", an "altar" call, a "New Covenant ministerial priesthood" and the constantly wondered about and argued, the "continual sacrifice" and the "abomination of desolation."

The time of the anti-Christ, when there is no more, the
Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the words of consecration
are changed, no Holy Eucharist.

= = = =

message to Pelianito

September 22, 2011

Joel 1:13
Gird yourselves and weep, O priests! wail, O ministers of the altar! Come, spend the night in sackcloth, O ministers of my God! The house of your God is deprived of offering and libation.


“O my beloved, what sorrow will be yours when the house of God is deprived of offering and libation, when the altar of God is desolate and the sacrifice is no more! This is the silence you will endure, a silence more empty than any felt before. Now is the time to fast and pray. Now is the time to worship at the altar of the Lord. Now is the time to be consoled, for in the time of silence there will be little consolation. Yet, my children, remain rooted in hope. My children who call out in trust will be carried in the wound of my pierced heart. Do not trust your feelings, but believe in my love and mercy. Those who endure to the end will not be put to shame, but will be given the finest garments to wear at the Wedding Feast of the Lamb.”


[link to www.pelianito.stblogs.com]
 Quoting: Mary 1559201


The things you speak of will never happen. There is no person that's going to be the antichrist. Just like there is no such person called christ. Now there is such a thing as a christed being, one who follows the laws of God and Creation. Jesus was a christed being. There is antichrist behavior-the things that we do that violate the laws of God. That's as far as it goes, our bad behavior. Christians are going to wonder what the heck happened when the major earth changes begin happening and billions start to perish , no antichrist, no rapture; for Catholics, no warning, no miracle. You have been deceived, and I pray that you connect with your God fragment within, to find the truth on these matters. Namaste!
 Quoting: ATONTRUTH


Good grief! I'm up at a weird time, and maybe you were too depending where you live, and now I have missed another person I've never met before.

It may very well happen that all sorts of people miss seeing all sorts of things. I am actually not unfamiliar with your view of all of these things, but I don't remember the term, christed being, even though I'm familiar with the concept. Is that somewhat of an established term that I could google?

You bring up being deceived and prayer, and I think that prayer may be one of the best ways we can "defend" against being deceived, because if we ask God to show us where we have been deceived and to protect us from it, I think he would care about something like that because it would have a lot to do with us viewing him as he really is. It seems to be a heck of a lot more realistic than asking him to give us things like wealth and status that could distract us from seeing him. I wish I could say that I have never asked him for things that can easily distract me!
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Hello Jenann. Great thread. The thing I like about you is you have an open mind when it comes to responding to other brothers and sisters opinions. You and Obe are really good at disagreeing respectfully, + 1 good karma :). That is one quality I am working on. Most on this thread have a pretty firm opinion about who the real Jesus is(me included). The Jesus I know is the one found in the Phoenix Journals. One of my earlier posts gave a link to them. The following message is found in the Journals. The reason I post it is because although we have different opinions and religious views, I really believe our greatest test in this life stream is HOW we overcome our differences of opinion :). The only way to have TRUE unconditional love for ALL God's creations is by overcoming our EGO. Because at the end of the day we really are all one-unlimited reflections of God. Here's the message, namaste!

9/29/92 LORD MICHAEL, SANANDA AND GERMAIN

Greetings, We are Lord Michael, Sananda and Germain. We have come to this scribe, Druthea, in service to Our Holy Father, God/Aton. This scribe asks many questions which many of you ones ask. We have come this day to bring solace unto you ones who ask for God's deliverance within your heart/soul place and who know not why you are worthy.

This one suffers in her own sadness wondering WHY she continues with her work when, in her consciousness, she believes she dislikes humanity. It is not HUMANITY you dislike, precious one, it is EVIL, and really, IGNORANCE, which allows evil to flourish, which you find abhorrent. It is difficult to face one's feelings of inadequacy when you feel so very tiny and powerless to truly bring the light of balanced example to others. This is why, precious ones, you must begin within self to face your own ignorance and immaturity--and then rise above them KNOWING that, WITH GOD IN YOUR HEART, HE WILL SHOW YOU HOW TO BE HIS EXAMPLE, THAT YOUR PRESENCE MAY PRAISE HIM IN GLORY AND BALANCE.

If you pray for peace and goodwill toward men, then what do you do in example of accomplishing peace and goodwill? If one presents as your "enemy" and denounces you, do you wish to destroy him? Can you love this "enemy" as you would your own child? Can you recognize WHY he would be threatened by you? What might he be afraid of? If you pray for UNITY, and your "enemy" prays for the same, how will you become the example if you cannot break down the wall of fear and distrust between you?

You ones, of God's Chosen messengers and keepers of the flame of Light and Truth, have accepted a tremendous responsibility that you will rise above human ignorance and evil projection and BE an example of one who walks the CHRISTED PATH. For if you refuse to do so, because it is your choice not to grow into maturity, then WHO will do it? HOW will you expect to awaken God's lost sheep when you do not allow presentation of HIS light through you?

We tell you precious students of life" you must gather the goodness which you recognize from all experience and accept the lessons which allow you the opportunity to test YOUR knowledge of God's Kingdom within you.

It is time for each representative of God, howsoever he or she presents self in religious format, to seek UNITY and BROTHERHOOD of the human species. For God has sent messengers to reach every one of HIS people the world over, and each one is sent to awaken certain ones who are ready to enter into Glory and Knowledge, and it is often that the messengers in human format are humbled for they find that they really KNOW so very little about THE DIVINE FATHER WITHIN.

God asks you not to turn away from those you disagree with in dogma and religious interpretation. YOU ARE ALL INTERPRETING WITH A FINITE MIND. And many are now receiving beyond finite mind directly from Creator. You ALL have this capability; most refuse to accept the possibility at this time. Perhaps it is through YOU that God will offer others a chance to grow beyond belief and into Knowledge.

Do you search for the differences in another? Most of you do so that you find reason to reject them. What do you have in common with one another? WE ask you ones who label selves Christian, Mormon, Muslim, Judaist, Buddhist, Native American, what have you in common? Are you willing to find out? Have you learned about the doctrines of these others and can you rise above the differences in dogma and practice, and join hands with one another as children of GOD?

If you cannot become one in focus of brotherhood and equality under your Constitution very soon, then your TRUE enemy, the god of ignorance and confusion, will devour your world and those who become stuck to it in material illusion.

This is simple fact. You in America, as well as many other parts of the world, have become an amalgamation of many cultures, races and religions. Can you, by your efforts in this country, unite AMERICANS to reclaim your Constitution which allows you all freedom to worship and believe in or even KNOW GOD. You are even allowed to be an Atheist if you so choose. Can you not agree upon a nation, a world under GOD, under His laws of balanced living, which all souled beings are born knowing, whether or not they Know or remember God within?

Each one of you has the opportunity to praise God daily. When you ask how to sustain in His service, He always shows you His way. You always make your choice. His messengers, of which there are many, human and in spirit form, each have a mission, not to CHANGE YOU OR THE WORLD, but to give you opportunity to change and adjust self in accordance with God's will working through you. And through each one will the world be transformed and humanity be reborn into knowing and living in cooperation, unity and balance. YOU each make that choice. Those who choose to honor one another will be honored. Those who seek unity and brotherhood and cooperation from heart intent, will live to experience this way of life.

It is the time of joining of the Mother and Father aspects of self, aspects of Father Creator and Mother Earth into cohesive unity and complement to each other. You who are mated in male/female sharing are responsible for sharing and finding balance with one another. You must honor each other and BE an example of cooperation, for when your two now separate sexes join together in common focus, YOU WILL SUCCEED in conquering adopted evil projection, instead of attempting to conquer one another.

It is time to complement, not conquer, and you who do so will witness miracles in your own comprehension.

We are Lord (Archangel) Michael, Sananda(Jesus) and St.Germain. We have come in service to our Holy Lighted Creator, Our Divine ONE. Thank you for attending this document. May you find the peace in your hearts that only giving can bring you. Good day and Salu.
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Can you, by your efforts in this country, unite AMERICANS to reclaim your Constitution which allows you all freedom to worship and believe in or even KNOW GOD. You are even allowed to be an Atheist if you so choose. Can you not agree upon a nation, a world under GOD, under His laws of balanced living, which all souled beings are born knowing, whether or not they Know or remember God within?

You who are mated in male/female sharing are responsible for sharing and finding balance with one another. You must honor each other and BE an example of cooperation, for when your two now separate sexes join together in common focus, YOU WILL SUCCEED in conquering adopted evil projection, instead of attempting to conquer one another.
 Quoting: ATONTRUTH:

Thank you 'ATONTRUTH', I especially liked this ^^ part! :)
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Can you, by your efforts in this country, unite AMERICANS to reclaim your Constitution which allows you all freedom to worship and believe in or even KNOW GOD. You are even allowed to be an Atheist if you so choose. Can you not agree upon a nation, a world under GOD, under His laws of balanced living, which all souled beings are born knowing, whether or not they Know or remember God within?

You who are mated in male/female sharing are responsible for sharing and finding balance with one another. You must honor each other and BE an example of cooperation, for when your two now separate sexes join together in common focus, YOU WILL SUCCEED in conquering adopted evil projection, instead of attempting to conquer one another.
 Quoting: ATONTRUTH:

Thank you 'ATONTRUTH', I especially liked this ^^ part! :)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Your most welcome my friend! The beauty of the Phoenix Journals is that it makes you feel as though God himself is talking to you. The consistency of the messages, no matter who is giving them, is a definite indicator of their truthfulness. Namaste!
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Hmmmmm........
 Quoting: Sword0vGideon


Hi, if you come back, I would be interested to find out what is behind the Hmmmmm.

Jen
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lol


He got his 'handle' back. sorta


Ravenous is swordov Gideon.


(Sorta Gideon)


:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1927454


Ah ha! I am so glad you are more observant about these things than I am.
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Yeah me and Daniel get along like an old married couple.......

But I'm always right.......
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09/25/2011 09:32 PM
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Re: Will the real Jesus please stand up?
Yeah me and Daniel get along like an old married couple.......

But I'm always right.......
 Quoting: Sword0vGideon


LOL! applause
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