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Will the real Jesus please stand up?

 
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This thread is amazing. I feel like I have stepped into another world. It feels like electric. I cannot describe it. Keep the thread going. The force is strong with this one. Jesus is the one and only God. Follow him. hf
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Jesus didn't exist. He is a solar myth along with about 29 other man deities based on the "sun" and born of a virgin on Dec 25th when the "sun" is born again on the cross of the zodiac.


Next topic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323894


If you go back I posted one tiny piece of non-Biblical evidence that Jesus the person (regardless of what you believe about him) existed during the years the Bible indicates.

I was probably too long winded about one piece of evidence, but it is what it is, and you are free to go back.

If you want to get into the solar myth you mention, please let us know. Until then, I don't think anyone here believes Jesus was born on Dec. 25th. The holiday we know as Christmans does not resemble the true circumstances of Jesus' birth
 Quoting: Jenann




You can choose a single point of faith to try to dismiss what I state but it won't work. There are perhaps 800 million Christians who generally agree that the mythical Jesus was born on Dec 25th. To say he wasn't doesn't dispel the fact that he's myth. There are many more aspects to his supposed life that are also shared with all 29 solar deities. But I know your intent is to start a thread for the seriously religious who will debate these topics till the cows come home - which amount to a Jesus circle jerk - which are unending on this forum. You clones can talk about this crap ad infinitum and only serve to further ingrain your mass delusion deeper and deeper, again as a form of mental masturbation that makes you feel higher states of euphoria in your delusional state. If you can be honest, you have no interest in learning or growing beyond where you are. You want to hear what you already think you know and accept as belief. Your decision has been made for this lifetime, and so, threads as these, again, are only forms of group masturbation.
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The overall fellowship got bigger and bigger until land was purchased and a good sized campus was constructed.

I wish I could adequately describe the sweetness of Christian fellowship in the context of a group that is small enough where you consider every member to be a close friend. We all still attend the large meeting, but after the teaching is over, we hang out in our small group and potluck.

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It sounds like a great group.

If possible please identify the large meeting location via this site:

[link to danielsseventiethseven.com]


Thanks.





:)
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In the meantime, does anybody out there really think anyone on this forum would believe something because of a council vote? We are all smarter than that.....
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It certainly was not put to a vote. War and conquest by the Romans and later the Roman Catholic Church, forced people to convert from their old religions to the new Universal (Catholic) religion - Christianity. Your own ancestors were probably forced by the Catholic Church to convert from goddess worship to Christianity. Who knows how many of us are of Jewish heritage and forced to convert, or whose ancestors were tortured and finally converted.
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Yes, my research on the council did not mention a vote in the sense we would use the word today. I just said that because there are people on this forum who, unless they were pretending, believe that there was such a vote. My point was that we don't need a council to tell us what to believe. And we don't need an emperor to tell us either.

Now, in reference to the forced conversions you mention, I cannot say I know what number of people were forced to believe. They were likely faked conversions for the saving of their own skin. Maybe you can provide a reference with the numbers.

Anyway, all sorts of violent acts have been perpetrated on people in the name of "religion" throughout history. Just because the crusades and the Spanish inquisition really happened does not negate the claims of the Bible. Jesus most certainly did not teach people to go out conquering nonbelievers with violence.

The point of this thread is to discuss this question:

Is Jesus God?

And if he is, why might that be significant?

In my opinion, the violent history of manmade churches has little to bear on this.
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"It" is always manifest. "It" dos not localize in the body of one being. You clones want a savior. A guy you can talk with and shake hands. A guy you can look in the eyes and have him smile back. It is your "need" and your "agenda" that causes you to create what you need in the form of a personalized "god".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323894


It's not often, but it does manifest in individuals.

But I have a vastly different take on things than the mainstream christian view.

I see evidence of a Living Truth so powerful that it had to be hijacked.

Point and case. Original name of the man in question Yaheshuah, Yeshua, etc, all variations mean one thing, God Saves. What have we been given instead? Jesus saves. So why is the name so important? One points to the Father, the other to a human personality.




We all ride the daisy chain of being, it's not a sin to look up to and want become like your betters.



I do not abdicate my responsibilities to my "Savior" I am spurned and inspired to become as he is so that that same Power might "save" me.
This is my day, there are many like it...but this one is mine.
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Anyway, all sorts of violent acts have been perpetrated on people in the name of "religion" throughout history. Just because the crusades and the Spanish inquisition really happened does not negate the claims of the Bible. Jesus most certainly did not teach people to go out conquering nonbelievers with violence.

The point of this thread is to discuss this question:

Is Jesus God?

And if he is, why might that be significant?

In my opinion, the violent history of manmade churches has little to bear on this.
 Quoting: Jenann


I think the history of violence that surrounds this religion makes it highly likely that it is a false religion, not from the true God. The Native Americans didn't have a man for a god, they worshipped the Great Spirit. The Christians persecuted them for not believing in a man instead of the Great Spirit. The jewish people didn't have a man for a God, they believed in The I Am That I Am. They were persecuted, killed tortured and forced to convert. So who is right and who is wrong? The ones who persecuted others and forced them to convert? Really, what are the chances that you are actually following a true religion? Very slim I think.
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The problem with belief is people treat them like facts and not thoughts.
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Thanks for everyone who has replied so far. I will eventually get back to you...having laptop trouble. I also want to start this thread in a particular way, so stay tuned.

Now, regarding other related topics:

If enough people show an interest in other related topics, perhaps we will address them later in this thread or maybe even in a new thread.

For now, we will have to get into the historicity of Jesus and the reliability of the Bible.
 Quoting: Jenann
shut the fuck up,who made you our teacher?this is as weak as i have seen it here on glp...i guess all of you will have to be subservient to our wonderful teacher,better listen..things may change,and youll want to stay tuned..yeccchhhh...stfustfujerkitjerkitspam
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If you feel that way, that is fine with me. I never asked anyone to be subservient to me. I wouldn't have asked Troubled Waters and Life and Love to help me with this thread if my goal was to be some "wonderful teacher" to whom you should be subservient.

I might have mentioned that I tend to be a little academic, and it is my hope that my two friends can balance this tendency of mine.

Anyway, it will make great conversation in my family and circle of friends that someone told me to "shut the fuck up" on my birthday...
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"It" is always manifest. "It" dos not localize in the body of one being. You clones want a savior. A guy you can talk with and shake hands. A guy you can look in the eyes and have him smile back. It is your "need" and your "agenda" that causes you to create what you need in the form of a personalized "god".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323894


It's not often, but it does manifest in individuals.

But I have a vastly different take on things than the mainstream christian view.

I see evidence of a Living Truth so powerful that it had to be hijacked.

Point and case. Original name of the man in question Yaheshuah, Yeshua, etc, all variations mean one thing, God Saves. What have we been given instead? Jesus saves. So why is the name so important? One points to the Father, the other to a human personality.




We all ride the daisy chain of being, it's not a sin to look up to and want become like your betters.



I do not abdicate my responsibilities to my "Savior" I am spurned and inspired to become as he is so that that same Power might "save" me.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex





You are toast. There is no further point to any discussion.
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Happy Birthday OP!





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Hi Everyone,

The intention of this thread is to discuss the deity of Christ. Yeah I know, a lot of you think that things having to do with Jesus are stupid or basically full of it. For the scoffers out there, I invite you to give the topic another chance, but I would like for us to approach the topic from an investigator's stance. To this end, I offer up the following guidelines:

- Please avoid posting videos.

- Try to discuss without attacking.

- Please avoid denominational arguments and Catholic vs. Protestant arguments.

- If you want to quote scripture that is fine, but try to avoid posting a large number of verses at once.

- Articles are sometimes good sources, but please quote the portion that is significant to your point of view. Please also post a link to the article for those who might want to read the whole thing.

- Let's try to stay on topic. I will discuss this in the next post.
 Quoting: Jenann


I have a question. How are you going to avoid the
Catholic/Protestant arguments? I think you are trying to
close your thread to a Protestant view Jen.

The divinity of Christ, Our Savior. You can't ignore the
Scripture. Especially if you are a "Bible Alone" believer,
Luther's teaching.

Let us discuss John Chapter 6. Everyone loves the Gospel of John. John is a good place to begin. Imagine God saying I AM the Holy Eucharist. You receive Me when you consume the holy consecrated host.

Jesus the New Covenant Passover Lamb is consumed!!!

Wow...it makes spiritual sense sister. hf
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Christ had no beginning according to John 17;5, and God was, in the beginning. In the beginning, God
Jeus is God.
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Yes, I agree. There is no one perfect but the one true God. Even the angels in heaven sinned. Only the perfect and righteous Heavenly Father, the Almighty God, the Lord God of Israel, could be the spotless sacrificial lamb.
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I heard he already did, and boy that was a resounding success, eh??
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Jesus didn't exist. He is a solar myth along with about 29 other man deities based on the "sun" and born of a virgin on Dec 25th when the "sun" is born again on the cross of the zodiac.


Next topic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323894


If you go back I posted one tiny piece of non-Biblical evidence that Jesus the person (regardless of what you believe about him) existed during the years the Bible indicates.

I was probably too long winded about one piece of evidence, but it is what it is, and you are free to go back.

If you want to get into the solar myth you mention, please let us know. Until then, I don't think anyone here believes Jesus was born on Dec. 25th. The holiday we know as Christmans does not resemble the true circumstances of Jesus' birth
 Quoting: Jenann




You can choose a single point of faith to try to dismiss what I state but it won't work. There are perhaps 800 million Christians who generally agree that the mythical Jesus was born on Dec 25th. To say he wasn't doesn't dispel the fact that he's myth. There are many more aspects to his supposed life that are also shared with all 29 solar deities. But I know your intent is to start a thread for the seriously religious who will debate these topics till the cows come home - which amount to a Jesus circle jerk - which are unending on this forum. You clones can talk about this crap ad infinitum and only serve to further ingrain your mass delusion deeper and deeper, again as a form of mental masturbation that makes you feel higher states of euphoria in your delusional state. If you can be honest, you have no interest in learning or growing beyond where you are. You want to hear what you already think you know and accept as belief. Your decision has been made for this lifetime, and so, threads as these, again, are only forms of group masturbation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323894


I really wasn't trying to dismiss you, and if it seemed like it, I'm sorry. I did not get into all the other evidence for the existence of Jesus and the Bible because I wasn't sure if people were interested or not. That is why I started with one piece of non-Biblical evidence (for his existence in history and not to be confused with evidence for him being what the Bible claims he is). If you think I was saying that I can dismiss everything you believe with one piece of evidence, then you should know that was not my intent.

And I know that to say Jesus wasn't born on the 25th doesn't prove the Biblical claims of Jesus. Likewise, to say that there are millions of Christians who believe Jesus was born on the 25th doesn't prove that he is not what the Bible claims.

And you say I started this thread for the seriously religious. No. To be honest, I started it for the possibility that there is one person out in cyberland who is truly seeking. It was also my hope to hear what everyone out there is thinking on the topic these days.
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"It" is always manifest. "It" dos not localize in the body of one being. You clones want a savior. A guy you can talk with and shake hands. A guy you can look in the eyes and have him smile back. It is your "need" and your "agenda" that causes you to create what you need in the form of a personalized "god".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323894


It's not often, but it does manifest in individuals.

But I have a vastly different take on things than the mainstream christian view.

I see evidence of a Living Truth so powerful that it had to be hijacked.

Point and case. Original name of the man in question Yaheshuah, Yeshua, etc, all variations mean one thing, God Saves. What have we been given instead? Jesus saves. So why is the name so important? One points to the Father, the other to a human personality.




We all ride the daisy chain of being, it's not a sin to look up to and want become like your betters.



I do not abdicate my responsibilities to my "Savior" I am spurned and inspired to become as he is so that that same Power might "save" me.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


You bring up some interesting issues, but I'm not entirely sure I understand what you are saying. Do you believe that Jesus is a created being, and that he is strictly human?
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norespect
 Quoting: Troubled Waters...

No one see's ninja-Jesus coming!

Even the thieves of the night are like "that's one sneaky guy right there...wait where'd he go?"
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


What more about Jesus v2....ninjas are bomb alchemist like the antichrist art is. He likes to sleep, smoke weed, take peanut every day to work, well, half a peanut ;). Also, he's the anti social type, he always wished he had more asian friend when he was younger and somehow it happened in the most twisted way you will ever imagine, he's a little brother, he has alien friends too who call him Wipemon throught his subconscious schizophrenic mind with synthetic children voices, the antichrist is under 2 antipsychotic drugs and one anti-anxiety medical treatment.
He's a neter too, a pharaoh, he sees people he likes inside the Sun and chaotic matrix like plywood, clouds, pixels, ceramic, trees and more chaos.
He's crazy as horseshit and also the best friend a mafia could wish for lol
He came to be because of a cocain line and because of the Godfather of all Godfathers.

What else, oh yeah, he posts on GLP and found an AT fieldATf

Did I tell you he was a french canadian and works under the Queen oath? He's fat as a little boudha. He's misunderstood, he has an inferiority complex coupled with a messiah complex. He always wanted to save the world, he wish he was taller. He lacks social intelligence, he's a fool and a junkie, he likes the Ailes d'Angel because they are the bromance of brotherhood love. The Vatican saved his life and he owns one to Pope Benedict and the RCMP.
He lives only for the mercy of one special man. He has a warrant on his head, for how much he doesn't care...

What else...? The antichrist is like Hellboy and he's looking to hook up with an asian chick because they just don't give a shit about nothing like he does and they cook good food cause christ loves vietnamese (Vi-ET-Man) food.
Thoth uncursed him (Ra) and he showed the infinite to a old man inside wood, like tradition says.
The Christ v2 is also known as a trickster or a kitsune.
He likes Sasuke from Naruto and he's a dreamer.
He's Illuminati and like to seek hidden code in reversed words or synchronicity.

Well, there goes the antichrist...
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Jesus didn't exist. He is a solar myth along with about 29 other man deities based on the "sun" and born of a virgin on Dec 25th when the "sun" is born again on the cross of the zodiac.


Next topic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323894


If you go back I posted one tiny piece of non-Biblical evidence that Jesus the person (regardless of what you believe about him) existed during the years the Bible indicates.

I was probably too long winded about one piece of evidence, but it is what it is, and you are free to go back.

If you want to get into the solar myth you mention, please let us know. Until then, I don't think anyone here believes Jesus was born on Dec. 25th. The holiday we know as Christmans does not resemble the true circumstances of Jesus' birth
 Quoting: Jenann




You can choose a single point of faith to try to dismiss what I state but it won't work. There are perhaps 800 million Christians who generally agree that the mythical Jesus was born on Dec 25th. To say he wasn't doesn't dispel the fact that he's myth. There are many more aspects to his supposed life that are also shared with all 29 solar deities. But I know your intent is to start a thread for the seriously religious who will debate these topics till the cows come home - which amount to a Jesus circle jerk - which are unending on this forum. You clones can talk about this crap ad infinitum and only serve to further ingrain your mass delusion deeper and deeper, again as a form of mental masturbation that makes you feel higher states of euphoria in your delusional state. If you can be honest, you have no interest in learning or growing beyond where you are. You want to hear what you already think you know and accept as belief. Your decision has been made for this lifetime, and so, threads as these, again, are only forms of group masturbation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323894


I really wasn't trying to dismiss you, and if it seemed like it, I'm sorry. I did not get into all the other evidence for the existence of Jesus and the Bible because I wasn't sure if people were interested or not. That is why I started with one piece of non-Biblical evidence (for his existence in history and not to be confused with evidence for him being what the Bible claims he is). If you think I was saying that I can dismiss everything you believe with one piece of evidence, then you should know that was not my intent.

And I know that to say Jesus wasn't born on the 25th doesn't prove the Biblical claims of Jesus. Likewise, to say that there are millions of Christians who believe Jesus was born on the 25th doesn't prove that he is not what the Bible claims.

And you say I started this thread for the seriously religious. No. To be honest, I started it for the possibility that there is one person out in cyberland who is truly seeking. It was also my hope to hear what everyone out there is thinking on the topic these days.
 Quoting: Jenann




Then you must explain what you mean by "truly seeking". And how you can deduce as much. And is seeking where it is at? To my mind, seekers continue to seek. I am not seeker. I am a reality hunter. Which starts and ends with developing consciousness. the quality of the seeker determines the quality of what is known. To "seek" is to shop outside one's self for personal validation of what one already holds true.
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Anyway, all sorts of violent acts have been perpetrated on people in the name of "religion" throughout history. Just because the crusades and the Spanish inquisition really happened does not negate the claims of the Bible. Jesus most certainly did not teach people to go out conquering nonbelievers with violence.

The point of this thread is to discuss this question:

Is Jesus God?

And if he is, why might that be significant?

In my opinion, the violent history of manmade churches has little to bear on this.
 Quoting: Jenann


I think the history of violence that surrounds this religion makes it highly likely that it is a false religion, not from the true God. The Native Americans didn't have a man for a god, they worshipped the Great Spirit. The Christians persecuted them for not believing in a man instead of the Great Spirit. The jewish people didn't have a man for a God, they believed in The I Am That I Am. They were persecuted, killed tortured and forced to convert. So who is right and who is wrong? The ones who persecuted others and forced them to convert? Really, what are the chances that you are actually following a true religion? Very slim I think.
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Okay, I see we disagree on this, but I am really intrigued by your mentioning both false and true religion. I find that very refreshing because there is so much talk these days about everything being relative and all religions being true. Every time I hear that I feel like screaming, because what is the real chance that every religion that has ever existed is true? It's like mankind has thrown all reason out the window.

Regarding your comment about past violence in religion pointing to false religion, I would have to say that my personal thought is that there is a spiritual world out there with a real spiritual battle going on that we can't see. That being said, I believe that the spiritual enemies of Jesus (Satan and company) would do anything they can to discredit him, even influencing some to commit acts of violence. Does this make the actual people less responsible? No, but I think things are going on out there that we can't see that would absolutely knock our socks off if we knew even the half of it. And, I think that people are so fallible (believers and nonbelievers alike)that in this world as we know it now, some will royally mess things up. All of us "mess things up" some way or another since we are not perfect, and it is so so sad that for some, that has meant violence. By the way, I am so not trying to push this on you. I'm just throwing out some possibilities.
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You are toast. There is no further point to any discussion.
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Faith, I find your lack of it disturbing......but not really. jump


Your apathy on the other hand is to be pitied.
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You are toast. There is no further point to any discussion.
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Faith, I find your lack of it disturbing......but not really. jump


Your apathy on the other hand is to be pitied.
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You make my point each time you open your mouth.
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"It" is always manifest. "It" dos not localize in the body of one being. You clones want a savior. A guy you can talk with and shake hands. A guy you can look in the eyes and have him smile back. It is your "need" and your "agenda" that causes you to create what you need in the form of a personalized "god".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323894


It's not often, but it does manifest in individuals.

But I have a vastly different take on things than the mainstream christian view.

I see evidence of a Living Truth so powerful that it had to be hijacked.

Point and case. Original name of the man in question Yaheshuah, Yeshua, etc, all variations mean one thing, God Saves. What have we been given instead? Jesus saves. So why is the name so important? One points to the Father, the other to a human personality.




We all ride the daisy chain of being, it's not a sin to look up to and want become like your betters.



I do not abdicate my responsibilities to my "Savior" I am spurned and inspired to become as he is so that that same Power might "save" me.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


You bring up some interesting issues, but I'm not entirely sure I understand what you are saying. Do you believe that Jesus is a created being, and that he is strictly human?
 Quoting: Jenann

No I'm saying that Jesus is a created name/story to cover a greater truth containing many of the same elements.

The man that lived however I believe was a soul ready and willing to show publicly that man and God can be as One. Highly advanced, and had certainly done it in body before.

He would know he'd be killed by the powers of the time before he was born. It would be a voluntary job open to only a handful of extremely powerful and advanced souls.

The "Great News" is he showed us how to claim our self similar birth right and be as he was and is. A fully functioning child of The Most High.

To say Jesus is God, to me is a complete logical fallacy as the man in question was not called that during his life on earth.
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You make my point each time you open your mouth.
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What, your convincingly bland point that I'm toast?

Got me there dude...Goofy Thum

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If you go back I posted one tiny piece of non-Biblical evidence that Jesus the person (regardless of what you believe about him) existed during the years the Bible indicates.

I was probably too long winded about one piece of evidence, but it is what it is, and you are free to go back.

If you want to get into the solar myth you mention, please let us know. Until then, I don't think anyone here believes Jesus was born on Dec. 25th. The holiday we know as Christmans does not resemble the true circumstances of Jesus' birth
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You can choose a single point of faith to try to dismiss what I state but it won't work. There are perhaps 800 million Christians who generally agree that the mythical Jesus was born on Dec 25th. To say he wasn't doesn't dispel the fact that he's myth. There are many more aspects to his supposed life that are also shared with all 29 solar deities. But I know your intent is to start a thread for the seriously religious who will debate these topics till the cows come home - which amount to a Jesus circle jerk - which are unending on this forum. You clones can talk about this crap ad infinitum and only serve to further ingrain your mass delusion deeper and deeper, again as a form of mental masturbation that makes you feel higher states of euphoria in your delusional state. If you can be honest, you have no interest in learning or growing beyond where you are. You want to hear what you already think you know and accept as belief. Your decision has been made for this lifetime, and so, threads as these, again, are only forms of group masturbation.
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I really wasn't trying to dismiss you, and if it seemed like it, I'm sorry. I did not get into all the other evidence for the existence of Jesus and the Bible because I wasn't sure if people were interested or not. That is why I started with one piece of non-Biblical evidence (for his existence in history and not to be confused with evidence for him being what the Bible claims he is). If you think I was saying that I can dismiss everything you believe with one piece of evidence, then you should know that was not my intent.

And I know that to say Jesus wasn't born on the 25th doesn't prove the Biblical claims of Jesus. Likewise, to say that there are millions of Christians who believe Jesus was born on the 25th doesn't prove that he is not what the Bible claims.

And you say I started this thread for the seriously religious. No. To be honest, I started it for the possibility that there is one person out in cyberland who is truly seeking. It was also my hope to hear what everyone out there is thinking on the topic these days.
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Then you must explain what you mean by "truly seeking". And how you can deduce as much. And is seeking where it is at? To my mind, seekers continue to seek. I am not seeker. I am a reality hunter. Which starts and ends with developing consciousness. the quality of the seeker determines the quality of what is known. To "seek" is to shop outside one's self for personal validation of what one already holds true.
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I'm glad you asked that question, because I see we don't use the term, "truly seeking" in the same way. But let's talk about that later or tomorrow because I realized something right before I started typing this.

I've wondered lately how you have been, Mr. C. I have been so busy trying to juggle all the various posts that I did not realize this is you. It took me all the way up to the word, "consciousness", to figure it out. In my defense, your style on my thread is vastly different from that which you used on your thread. I also must confess that I recognized your number (AC894). Now that I've worked on a thread that has lasted more than a couple hours, I can't even begin to imagine how you managed all those pages of comments on your thread! You must tell me how things are in Mississippi...lol!

For everyone else, this is my friend, Mr. C. We disagree on almost everything that might be classified as spiritual, but we became friends anyway. I don't know his real name, but I teasingly called him Mr. C. once, and he figured out immediately that the "C" stands for consciousness, and then I just got into the habit of calling him that.
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For everyone else, this is my friend, Mr. C. We disagree on almost everything that might be classified as spiritual, but we became friends anyway. I don't know his real name, but I teasingly called him Mr. C. once, and he figured out immediately that the "C" stands for consciousness, and then I just got into the habit of calling him that.
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Neat! popcorn

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I too must retie for now. Seems like your lap top problems are unending. What would Jesus do? LOL Sorry. Good nite.
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oops...."retire"
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and God boomed out from the clouds saying "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased" (Mt 17:5).
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Why does everyone assume that this is God's voice "booming" out from the clouds?
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and God boomed out from the clouds saying "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased" (Mt 17:5).
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex:

Why does everyone assume that this is God's voice "booming" out from the clouds?
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Because the bible told me so, of course...yeahsure


Howzit OB1, long time no chat! Nice to see you again hugs
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"It" is always manifest. "It" dos not localize in the body of one being. You clones want a savior. A guy you can talk with and shake hands. A guy you can look in the eyes and have him smile back. It is your "need" and your "agenda" that causes you to create what you need in the form of a personalized "god".
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It's not often, but it does manifest in individuals.

But I have a vastly different take on things than the mainstream christian view.

I see evidence of a Living Truth so powerful that it had to be hijacked.

Point and case. Original name of the man in question Yaheshuah, Yeshua, etc, all variations mean one thing, God Saves. What have we been given instead? Jesus saves. So why is the name so important? One points to the Father, the other to a human personality.




We all ride the daisy chain of being, it's not a sin to look up to and want become like your betters.



I do not abdicate my responsibilities to my "Savior" I am spurned and inspired to become as he is so that that same Power might "save" me.
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You bring up some interesting issues, but I'm not entirely sure I understand what you are saying. Do you believe that Jesus is a created being, and that he is strictly human?
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No I'm saying that Jesus is a created name/story to cover a greater truth containing many of the same elements.

The man that lived however I believe was a soul ready and willing to show publicly that man and God can be as One. Highly advanced, and had certainly done it in body before.

He would know he'd be killed by the powers of the time before he was born. It would be a voluntary job open to only a handful of extremely powerful and advanced souls.

The "Great News" is he showed us how to claim our self similar birth right and be as he was and is. A fully functioning child of The Most High.

To say Jesus is God, to me is a complete logical fallacy as the man in question was not called that during his life on earth.
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I would be curious to know if your belief system is held by others you know or know of, or if this is something you've come to believe on your own. I only ask because I've never heard anyone describe their spiritual beliefs quite like you have.

Your last sentence is actually something I intend to discuss either tonight ot tomorrow (it's 12:40 am my time, but who knows, I can be a real night owl). I think it's only natural to wonder if Jesus is truly God, then why in the heck did he not come right out and say something like,"I am the Almighty creator God of Abraham, Jacob and Moses, and I have come to you as a man so that I may do the work that was prophesied that I would do. This work may only be accomplished in my state as a human being."
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and God boomed out from the clouds saying "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased" (Mt 17:5).
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex:

Why does everyone assume that this is God's voice "booming" out from the clouds?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

Because the bible told me so, of course...yeahsure


Howzit OB1, long time no chat! Nice to see you again hugs
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex

Hey Rex, how you been?

Actually, the bible only tells you that it's a voice from heaven, doesn't it?

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