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Will the real Jesus please stand up?

 
Jenann (OP)

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I too must retie for now. Seems like your lap top problems are unending. What would Jesus do? LOL Sorry. Good nite.
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Very funny! Good night. I hope you come back.
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I would be curious to know if your belief system is held by others you know or know of, or if this is something you've come to believe on your own. I only ask because I've never heard anyone describe their spiritual beliefs quite like you have.

Your last sentence is actually something I intend to discuss either tonight ot tomorrow (it's 12:40 am my time, but who knows, I can be a real night owl). I think it's only natural to wonder if Jesus is truly God, then why in the heck did he not come right out and say something like,"I am the Almighty creator God of Abraham, Jacob and Moses, and I have come to you as a man so that I may do the work that was prophesied that I would do. This work may only be accomplished in my state as a human being."
 Quoting: Jenann

It's an evolving synthesis of beliefs, experiencing and good ideas.

I'm sure some one else has though of it before...


However close, it is still a simulacra, to be exchanged for the Living Truth when I bring it to the Altar.
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Hi Everyone,

The intention of this thread is to discuss the deity of Christ. Yeah I know, a lot of you think that things having to do with Jesus are stupid or basically full of it. For the scoffers out there, I invite you to give the topic another chance, but I would like for us to approach the topic from an investigator's stance. To this end, I offer up the following guidelines:

- Please avoid posting videos.

- Try to discuss without attacking.

- Please avoid denominational arguments and Catholic vs. Protestant arguments.

- If you want to quote scripture that is fine, but try to avoid posting a large number of verses at once.

- Articles are sometimes good sources, but please quote the portion that is significant to your point of view. Please also post a link to the article for those who might want to read the whole thing.

- Let's try to stay on topic. I will discuss this in the next post.
 Quoting: Jenann


Let's get one fucking thing straight here...

I ain't no fucking diety!
yoda
I have sworn upon the altar of God,
eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
- Thomas Jefferson
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Hey Rex, how you been?

Actually, the bible only tells you that it's a voice from heaven, doesn't it?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

Very good, met my soul mate!


That it does, my brother!
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This thread is amazing. I feel like I have stepped into another world. It feels like electric. I cannot describe it. Keep the thread going. The force is strong with this one. Jesus is the one and only God. Follow him. hf
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Thank you for your kind comment and encouragement! And I see it has taken me three hours to get back to you. Sorry about that!
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Hey Rex, how you been?

Actually, the bible only tells you that it's a voice from heaven, doesn't it?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

Very good, met my soul mate!


That it does, my brother!
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Hey, what time zone are you two in? I'm on eastern time.

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Do atheists believe there was a person named Jesus who was crucified and then everything else was made up or do they just believe everything was made up? I always had trouble with the idea that there were so many first generation Christians that were willing to die for these beliefs. Why would they run around and say Jesus had rosen from the dead if it was only going to get them tortured and/or killed? I'm biased so maybe I just don't see the logic.
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met my soul mate!
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex:

Oh, you have no idea how much Joy, hearing THAT, brings to my heart!

Way to go, my friend! :)
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1
 Quoting: Troubled Waters...


I definitely want to take a closer look at that verse this week. Thanks for reminding us about it.
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Hey Rex, how you been?

Actually, the bible only tells you that it's a voice from heaven, doesn't it?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

Very good, met my soul mate!


That it does, my brother!
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Hey, what time zone are you two in? I'm on eastern time.
 Quoting: Jenann

I'm at 10:55 pm......Utah

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Hey Rex, how you been?

Actually, the bible only tells you that it's a voice from heaven, doesn't it?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

Very good, met my soul mate!


That it does, my brother!
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Hey, what time zone are you two in? I'm on eastern time.
 Quoting: Jenann

7 pm... *waves from Hawaii*
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met my soul mate!
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex:

Oh, you have no idea how much Joy, hearing THAT, brings to my heart!

Way to go, my friend! :)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

It's truely awesome, I remember her from two very powerful dreams, one I had when I was 3.

She recognizes me too.
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This is the real Jesus, these are His words, this is truly
supernatural. It requires faith. Everyone recognizes
John's Gospel speaks mainly of Christ's divinity.

You are dead spiritually without the Eucharist.
How do you abide in Christ and He in You? The "manna" in the desert is a "type", it prefigures Christ's presence in the Holy Eucharist. How do you get to Heaven? Jesus tells you...all in three verses. hf

John 6:54
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

And follow, a couple of verses later Jesus states...

John 6:57
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.

Read on past a couple of verses in Chapter 6, the promise...

John 6:59
This is the bread (Eucharist) that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.



Non-Catholic Christians have no need of the Eucharist or discussion of it. They are afraid, I think. They ignore, won't discuss the Real Presence, they run from the Truth. Because, they would have to change.
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met my soul mate!
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex:

Oh, you have no idea how much Joy, hearing THAT, brings to my heart!

Way to go, my friend! :)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

It's truely awesome, I remember her from two very powerful dreams, one I had when I was 3.

She recognizes me too.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex

I always marvel at the sparks that fly, when soul-mates reunite! luvya
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I always marvel at the sparks that fly, when soul-mates reunite! luvya
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All that I've been working on, quickened to full function, nice to have some one i can learn from as well.
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I always marvel at the sparks that fly, when soul-mates reunite! luvya
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

All that I've been working on, quickened to full function, nice to have some one i can learn from as well.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex

Well, I guess I'm off to bed........so congratulations my brother, you truly deserve all the best! twirl
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Do atheists believe there was a person named Jesus who was crucified and then everything else was made up or do they just believe everything was made up? I always had trouble with the idea that there were so many first generation Christians that were willing to die for these beliefs. Why would they run around and say Jesus had rosen from the dead if it was only going to get them tortured and/or killed? I'm biased so maybe I just don't see the logic.
 Quoting: JohnC 1488946


Hi John,

I am no expert on athiests, but the athiests I have run into in the past all believed Jesus was a real historical figure. I can't remember off hand if they believed he was crucified.

I have no idea what athiests believe about Jesus in the current decade. Maybe someone else out there knows something about this.

I am with you on not seeing the logic. Every last one of the disciples other than Judas was martyred. People these days might argue that the suicide bombers go to their deaths for their beliefs, so how can one say that the disciples' martyrdom was more significant? I have a thought on this, and it might make some people mad, but I think it is very important to talk about the early Christian martyrdom, since some people say the Bible has changed over time. I think it is quite relevant to figure out what was going on with Jesus' followers in the first century.

I think when you boil it all down, their motives are the best indicator of what was really at play. It seems that martyrdom among some Muslims is the most certain way to heaven and its many rewards. So essentially they are getting something out of it for themselves (or so they think). And if there are Muslims out there that disagree with this, by all means, please give us your understanding on this topic. I have a couple of Muslim friends, and we have not yet discussed this.

On the other hand, Jesus' disciples and had absolutely nothing to gain for themselves. They already trusted Jesus as their savior and believed by doing so they were going to heaven. I suppose they could have faked a denial of Jesus to save their lives, but somehow they counted their earthly lives as less valuable than their true motive, which I have come to believe was love, the kind that does not seek the self, the kind that is willing to die for believing in God and the testimony it brings to us, even in this century.
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Hey Rex, how you been?

Actually, the bible only tells you that it's a voice from heaven, doesn't it?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

Very good, met my soul mate!


That it does, my brother!
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Hey, what time zone are you two in? I'm on eastern time.
 Quoting: Jenann

I'm at 10:55 pm......Utah
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Oh, we visited Utah four years ago. We were pretty awed by the beauty...Arches Nat'l Park, Bryce Canyon, Zion Nat'l Park. Then we went to the Grand Canyon in Arizona, and all I can say is that while it sure is vast and amazing in its own right, it doesn't hold a candle to the beauty we saw in your state.
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Hey Rex, how you been?

Actually, the bible only tells you that it's a voice from heaven, doesn't it?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

Very good, met my soul mate!


That it does, my brother!
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Hey, what time zone are you two in? I'm on eastern time.
 Quoting: Jenann

7 pm... *waves from Hawaii*
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


I have become instantly jealous! One day I hope to make it there. Ohio is not geographically very interesting. But I always say that it makes us enjoy our vacations out of state all the more.
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Oh, we visited Utah four years ago. We were pretty awed by the beauty...Arches Nat'l Park, Bryce Canyon, Zion Nat'l Park. Then we went to the Grand Canyon in Arizona, and all I can say is that while it sure is vast and amazing in its own right, it doesn't hold a candle to the beauty we saw in your state.
 Quoting: Jenann:

Thank you! I live in Vernal(upper right hand corner of Utah)........much beauty here as well!(Not to mention the gold) lol ;)
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I have become instantly jealous! One day I hope to make it there. Ohio is not geographically very interesting. But I always say that it makes us enjoy our vacations out of state all the more.
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From my visions there will be alot more Hawaii to come and visit once the ocean settles down!

The whole Hawaiian archipelago raises several hundred feet into the air...
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This is the real Jesus, these are His words, this is truly
supernatural. It requires faith. Everyone recognizes
John's Gospel speaks mainly of Christ's divinity.

You are dead spiritually without the Eucharist.
How do you abide in Christ and He in You? The "manna" in the desert is a "type", it prefigures Christ's presence in the Holy Eucharist. How do you get to Heaven? Jesus tells you...all in three verses. hf

John 6:54
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

And follow, a couple of verses later Jesus states...

John 6:57
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.

Read on past a couple of verses in Chapter 6, the promise...

John 6:59
This is the bread (Eucharist) that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.



Non-Catholic Christians have no need of the Eucharist or discussion of it. They are afraid, I think. They ignore, won't discuss the Real Presence, they run from the Truth. Because, they would have to change.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541705


Ignoring Christ's words....again. Truly, the greatest means to God's grace, His actual presence in us.

This is a "closed" thread. And who can figure?

Obe just mocked prophecy, the Bible, Christianity in a pinned thread. So bizarre.
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Very good, met my soul mate!


That it does, my brother!
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Hey, what time zone are you two in? I'm on eastern time.
 Quoting: Jenann

7 pm... *waves from Hawaii*
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


I have become instantly jealous! One day I hope to make it there. Ohio is not geographically very interesting. But I always say that it makes us enjoy our vacations out of state all the more.
 Quoting: Jenann


...

Very good, met my soul mate!


That it does, my brother!
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Hey, what time zone are you two in? I'm on eastern time.
 Quoting: Jenann

7 pm... *waves from Hawaii*
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


I have become instantly jealous! One day I hope to make it there. Ohio is not geographically very interesting. But I always say that it makes us enjoy our vacations out of state all the more.
 Quoting: Jenann


I'll bump the friendly talk. When are you going to discuss
the Holy Eucharist sister? How long are you going to
run away?

Put up a thread to discuss the divinity of Christ and ignore
what He can do and His teachings.
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This is the real Jesus, these are His words, this is truly
supernatural. It requires faith. Everyone recognizes
John's Gospel speaks mainly of Christ's divinity.

You are dead spiritually without the Eucharist.
How do you abide in Christ and He in You? The "manna" in the desert is a "type", it prefigures Christ's presence in the Holy Eucharist. How do you get to Heaven? Jesus tells you...all in three verses. hf

John 6:54
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

And follow, a couple of verses later Jesus states...

John 6:57
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.

Read on past a couple of verses in Chapter 6, the promise...

John 6:59
This is the bread (Eucharist) that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.



Non-Catholic Christians have no need of the Eucharist or discussion of it. They are afraid, I think. They ignore, won't discuss the Real Presence, they run from the Truth. Because, they would have to change.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541705


Hi Mary,

I hope you are doing well. I know we don't agree on what you said above, and I am trying to stay away from denominational disagreements and Catholic/Protestant disagreements. So for now would you do me a favor and redirect your comments to the deity of Jesus and why you believe he is God and why it is important to you? You may have a unique way of describing these things that we have not yet considered. Who knows, there could be hundreds of people on this forum that don't believe that Jesus even existed, so I don't think now is the time to be jumping that far into it.

And, if at some other time you want to talk about the Eucharist with me, I would not have any objection to joining you in a separate thread about it, even if nobody other than the two of us participate. I give you my word on that.

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Oh, we visited Utah four years ago. We were pretty awed by the beauty...Arches Nat'l Park, Bryce Canyon, Zion Nat'l Park. Then we went to the Grand Canyon in Arizona, and all I can say is that while it sure is vast and amazing in its own right, it doesn't hold a candle to the beauty we saw in your state.
 Quoting: Jenann:

Thank you! I live in Vernal(upper right hand corner of Utah)........much beauty here as well!(Not to mention the gold) lol ;)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


So then are you near Dinosaur National Park (or maybe it's a national monument)? I might be getting my western states mixed up. we wanted to go there, but we only had so much time and ended up choosing the other three spots.
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I have become instantly jealous! One day I hope to make it there. Ohio is not geographically very interesting. But I always say that it makes us enjoy our vacations out of state all the more.
 Quoting: Jenann

From my visions there will be alot more Hawaii to come and visit once the ocean settles down!

The whole Hawaiian archipelago raises several hundred feet into the air...
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


What do you mean by visions?
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This is the real Jesus, these are His words, this is truly
supernatural. It requires faith. Everyone recognizes
John's Gospel speaks mainly of Christ's divinity.

You are dead spiritually without the Eucharist.
How do you abide in Christ and He in You? The "manna" in the desert is a "type", it prefigures Christ's presence in the Holy Eucharist. How do you get to Heaven? Jesus tells you...all in three verses. hf

John 6:54
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

And follow, a couple of verses later Jesus states...

John 6:57
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.

Read on past a couple of verses in Chapter 6, the promise...

John 6:59
This is the bread (Eucharist) that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.



Non-Catholic Christians have no need of the Eucharist or discussion of it. They are afraid, I think. They ignore, won't discuss the Real Presence, they run from the Truth. Because, they would have to change.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541705


Hi Mary,

I hope you are doing well. I know we don't agree on what you said above, and I am trying to stay away from denominational disagreements and Catholic/Protestant disagreements. So for now would you do me a favor and redirect your comments to the deity of Jesus and why you believe he is God and why it is important to you? You may have a unique way of describing these things that we have not yet considered. Who knows, there could be hundreds of people on this thread that don't believe that Jesus even existed, so I don't think now is the time to be jumping that far into it.

And, if at some other time you want to talk about the Eucharist with me, I would not have any objection to joining you in a separate thread about it, even if nobody other than the two of us participate. I give you my word on that.
 Quoting: Jenann


This is the real Jesus, these are His words, this is truly
supernatural. It requires faith. Everyone recognizes
John's Gospel speaks mainly of Christ's divinity.

You are dead spiritually without the Eucharist.
How do you abide in Christ and He in You? The "manna" in the desert is a "type", it prefigures Christ's presence in the Holy Eucharist. How do you get to Heaven? Jesus tells you...all in three verses. hf

John 6:54
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

And follow, a couple of verses later Jesus states...

John 6:57
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.

Read on past a couple of verses in Chapter 6, the promise...

John 6:59
This is the bread (Eucharist) that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.



Non-Catholic Christians have no need of the Eucharist or discussion of it. They are afraid, I think. They ignore, won't discuss the Real Presence, they run from the Truth. Because, they would have to change.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1541705


Hi Mary,

I hope you are doing well. I know we don't agree on what you said above, and I am trying to stay away from denominational disagreements and Catholic/Protestant disagreements. So for now would you do me a favor and redirect your comments to the deity of Jesus and why you believe he is God and why it is important to you? You may have a unique way of describing these things that we have not yet considered. Who knows, there could be hundreds of people on this thread that don't believe that Jesus even existed, so I don't think now is the time to be jumping that far into it.

And, if at some other time you want to talk about the Eucharist with me, I would not have any objection to joining you in a separate thread about it, even if nobody other than the two of us participate. I give you my word on that.
 Quoting: Jenann


Very kind reply, hi Jen,rose

There is hardly ever a discussion just denial. What about those three verses? Okay...another thread. The Eucharist is proof of the divinity of Christ. There have been many Eucharistic miracles through the centuries to help disbelievers.

I can give three other proofs....
All point to the diety of Christ. Reply to them anyone.
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1. The Shroud of Turin -Science can't figure the impression-

2. The Tilma of Guadalupe -many unexplained and tested,
you can actually see a reflection of the people in the
room at the time imaged in Mary's pupil. Found in our time with technology-

3. The Stigmata, for fifty years Padre Pio bore the wounds of Christ. -no infection from these wounds, secular studies, many done, Science can't figure-
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The overall fellowship got bigger and bigger until land was purchased and a good sized campus was constructed.

I wish I could adequately describe the sweetness of Christian fellowship in the context of a group that is small enough where you consider every member to be a close friend. We all still attend the large meeting, but after the teaching is over, we hang out in our small group and potluck.

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It sounds like a great group.

If possible please identify the large meeting location via this site:

[link to danielsseventiethseven.com]


Thanks.





:)
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Hi Daniel,

This has nothing to do with you in particular, but maybe we can figure out another way to share information. Would you consider joining GLP for one month so that we can share info? Last I checked it was $10. Or maybe there is another way (?).

My hubby and I have a thing where we don't give out our personal email addresses to people from the opposite gender on the internet. I totally get that you have nothing but good intentions, but I need to do this for him.

I had actually set out to see if you would be interested in helping out with hosting this thread, but I had no way of contacting you (the GLP gods wouldn't let me). TW sent me a message before I became a member, but I was not allowed to respond since I was not a member. So I thought I could get a message through to you and that you could give me a reply on that thread we were both on over that last couple of weeks, but it didn't work.

Anyway, I value your input here, so any time you can spend here is greatly appreciated.
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Good night everyone! I'll be back tomorrow in the late afternoon or early evening. I hope y'all get some good conversations going while I'm gone.

Here's a note to myself about some of the topics people brought up that we did not discuss yet:

If Jesus is God, why didn't he say so in terms that are crystal clear to us? Or for that matter, if he isn't God, why didn't he make that crystal clear?

What is so important about the first verse in the gospel of John? Where does the term, "the Word" come from and what does it mean?

What did I mean when I used the term, "truly seeking"?

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Re: Will the real Jesus please stand up?
Just a buncha jewish fairy tales.

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