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Significant Extraterrestrial Races Interacting with Humanity, A Very Big read, grab a Drink.
A Report on the Motivations and Activities of Extraterrestrial Races
A Typology of the Most
Significant Extraterrestrial Races Interacting with Humanity
Michael E. Salla, PhD
Revised January 1, 2005 (First published July 26, 2004
There are an extensive number of extraterrestrial races known to be currently interacting with Earth and the human population. In a 1998 interview, Clifford Stone, a retired US army Sergeant who served in the US Army for 22 years and participated in covert operations to retrieve crashed extraterrestrial ships and extraterrestrial biological entities (EBE’s), revealed there were a total of 57 extraterrestrial races known to the US military. From this pool of extraterrestrial races, a number are more active than others, and can be claimed to have the most significance for human evolution and sovereignty. This report describes the main extraterrestrial races most commonly referred to in the literature who appear to have most strategic significance for the evolution and sovereignty of humanity, and their impact on a range of systemic global problems. The report distinguishes between these extraterrestrial races on the basis of their belonging to one of either two distinct groups. The first group contains extraterrestrial races with which ‘shadow governments’ responsible for extraterrestrial affairs, have reached agreements with and even collaborated in a number of joint projects. The extensive set of interlocking agreements between these races and the ‘shadow government’ in the US and elsewhere suggests the existence of a military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex of interests. There is also a second grouping of extraterrestrial races that lie outside of this web of clandestine agreements between extraterrestrial races and ‘shadow governments’/national security agencies. Most ‘contactees’ report these races to be ‘friendly’ to human interests suggesting a more ethical approach to the challenges confronting humanity as it prepares for the truth about the extraterrestrial presence and challenges posed by advanced extraterrestrial technology.

This report will first describe the group of extraterrestrials that are part of a military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex that while mainly associated with the US, is global in scope. The report will then describe the second group of extraterrestrials who have declined to be associated with the military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex. Distinguishing between extraterrestrial groups in this way helps bring to prominence the complex ethical-legal-political dimensions in understanding how different extraterrestrial races choose to cooperate or not with the military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex. Understanding the motivations and activities of the most significant extraterrestrial races will help greatly in answering questions about appropriate policies to adopt; and will also help private individuals respond adequately to the dilemma over which extraterrestrial races contribute to global problems confronting humanity, and which extraterrestrial races can be worked with for the evolution and emancipation of humanity.


A Report on the Motivations and Activities of Extraterrestrial Races – A Typology of the Most Significant Extraterrestrial Races Interacting with Humanity

1. Introduction [1]
There are an extensive number of extraterrestrial races known to be currently interacting with Earth and the human population. In a 1998 interview, Clifford Stone, a retired U.S. army Sergeant who served in the U.S. Army for 22 years and participated in covert operations to retrieve crashed extraterrestrial ships and extraterrestrial biological entities (EBE’s), revealed there were a total of 57 extraterrestrial races known to the U.S. military. [2] From this pool of extraterrestrial races, a number are more active than others in interacting with humanity, and can be claimed to have the most significance for human evolution and sovereignty. The extensive number of reports and testimonies concerning different extraterrestrial races indicates that the motivations and activities of extraterrestrial races vary greatly, and an idea of these motivations can be distilled from close examination of these reports and testimonies.
The most compelling testimonies on the different extraterrestrial races comes from ‘whistleblowers’ such as Sergeant Stone who served for long periods in the military and/or corporations participating in ‘black projects’; and also ‘contactees’ who have had direct physical contact with extraterrestrials and communicated with them. This includes both ‘contactees’ in the classic sense of those who have voluntarily interacted with extraterrestrial races and ‘abductees’ who have been involuntarily incorporated into extraterrestrial programs. [3] I will first refer to some of the main sources of information for different extraterrestrial races generally operating on Earth, then attempt to make specific descriptions about the motivations and activities of these races using available sources
While there may be considerable debate over the accuracy of the information provided by the whistleblowers and contactees presented in this report, I have argued elsewhere that ‘whistleblowers’ and ‘contactees’ provide the strongest evidentiary sources for the extraterrestrial phenomenon. [4] What further helps in supporting the reliability of the information provided by these ‘whistleblowers’ and ’contactees’ is the consistency and coherence of the testimonies and evidence provided by them, and ultimately the credibility of the individuals involved. Consequently, this report will focus primarily on the testimony on a select number of ‘whistleblowers’ and ‘contactees’ whose consistency, coherence and credibility suggest they are providing reliable information on the motivations and activities of different extraterrestrial races.
Master Sergeant Bob Dean had a twenty seven year military career and at one time during his service worked in military intelligence at the Supreme Headquarters of the Allied Powers in Europe (SHAPE) from 1963. His distinguished service record gives him great credibility in claiming to have witnessed classified information during his military service. During his SHAPE assignment he claimed he was instructed to read a detailed study of the activities of UFOs/ETs and how they might impact on Soviet-NATO relations which was published in 1964 with the title: “An Assessment: An Evaluation of a Possible Military Threat to Allied Forces in Europe." [5] In an interview, Dean described four extraterrestrial races described in ‘The Assessment’ as follows:
The group at the time, there were just four that they knew of for certain and the Greys were one of those groups. There was a group that looked exactly like we do. There was a human group that looked so much like us that that really drove the admirals and the generals crazy because they determined that these people, and they had seen them repeatedly, they had had contact with them, there had been abductions, there had been contacts. These people looked so much like us they could sit next to you on a plane or in a restaurant and you´d never know the difference. And being military and being primarily paranoid, that bothered the generals and the admirals a little bit. That the fact that these intelligent entities could be involved with us, walking up and down the corridors of SHAPE, walking down the corridors of the Pentagon. My God, it even dawned on a couple of them that these guys could even be in the White House! Of course, as I said, being paranoid in those years it really shook things up a little bit.
Two other groups, there was a very large group, I say large, they were 6-8 maybe sometimes 9 feet tall and they were humanoid, but they were very pale, very white, didn´t have any hair on their bodies at all. And then there was another group that had sort of a reptilian quality to them. We had encountered them, military people and police officers all over the world have run into these guys. They had vertical pupils in their eyes and their skin seemed to have a quality very much like what you find on the stomach of a lizard. So those were the four they knew of in 1964. But I´ve been told by friends that are still active in military service that it´s well over a dozen by now. [6]
Another ‘whistleblower’ source that refers to different extraterrestrial races is Dr Michael Wolf who claims to have worked for over two decades in a variety of positions in clandestine positions dealing with the extraterrestrial presence. Despite some continuing controversy over Wolf’s whistleblower testimony and credentials, a number of UFO investigators who personally interviewed him found him to be coherent, consistent and credible. [7] In an interview, it was claimed that:
According to Dr. Wolf, several confederations of extraterrestrial civilizations are visiting us in loosely-coordinated fashion. These are: the Alliance (of human-looking ETs from the Altair Aquilia system), the Corporate (of Greys from the Zeta Reticuli system), the Federation of Worlds (of unspecified races from many star systems), and the United Races of Orion (cultures from those star systems). Further, the Alliance is in affiliation with the Corporate and with the Federation of Worlds. The United Races of Orion are in affiliation with the Corporate, and, through them, with the Alliance and the Federation of Worlds. [8]

While Wolf claimed most extraterrestrial races are friendly, he said that a small number are hostile and behave as interplanetary renegades. [9] An individual ‘contactee’ who claims to have physically met with extraterrestrials, and spent time on extraterrestrial ships is Alex Collier. [10] Collier has been interviewed by the investigative journalist and UFO researcher Paola Harris who despite her own initial reservations about his ground breaking claims, found him to be highly credible and coherent, and that much of what he says is consistent with her own independent research findings. [11] Furthermore, some of Collier’s alleged conversations with extraterrestrials have led to astronomical claims which are later confirmed to be consistent with the latest quantum physics knowledge about esoteric topics such as the information that can be released by black holes. [12] This helps establish Collier’s credibility as a ‘genuine contactee’ with relevant information to share on extraterrestrial races.
In a number of articles, which were compiled in his book, Defending Sacred Ground, Collier outlines in some detail the motivations and behaviors of a number of extraterrestrial races, an example of which is the following:
My understanding is that those from the Sirius A system are trying to be beneficial and assist, because they feel responsibility in that those who colonized Sirius B system were originally from Sirius A. Those from Sirius B have come here and really messed with our heads, and they are the ones who originally gave our government the Montauk technology. They have the same belief and brain patterns as those from Orion. Those from Tau Ceti are also very much involved. Nobody knows exactly what the Pleaidians are going to do yet, but I will share this with you. Those that live in the system around Alcyon - some of them cannot be trusted, as they have hidden agendas. Those from Teygeta, I am told, have a very clear objective: to maintain the idea of freedom. Just because a group is labelled "Pleaidians" doesn´t mean they are here to help us. People confuse that issue. Know them by their works. Those from Cygnus Alpha are here. There is a group from Arcturus that is trying to help. Those from Procyon, who have been liberated, are trying to help. They´re pretty gung ho.” [13]
In this report, I will describe the main extraterrestrial races most commonly referred to in the literature who appear to have most strategic significance for the evolution and sovereignty of humanity, and their impact on a range of systemic global problems. I will distinguish between these extraterrestrial races on the basis of their belonging to one of either two distinct categories. The first category contains extraterrestrial races with which ‘shadow governments’ responsible for extraterrestrial affairs, have reached agreements with and even collaborated in a number of joint projects. [14] The extensive set of interlocking agreements between these races and the ‘shadow government’ in the U.S. and elsewhere suggests the existence of a military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex of interests. The military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex (MIEC) of interests currently controls most information concerning the extraterrestrial presence; and dominates government institutions around the planet, financial interests, the mass media, and is responsible for systemic global problems. [15]
There is also a second grouping of extraterrestrial races that lie outside of this web of clandestine agreements between extraterrestrial races and ‘shadow governments’/national security agencies. Most ‘contactees’ report these races to be ‘friendly’ to human interests suggesting a more ethical approach to the challenges confronting humanity as it prepares for the truth about the extraterrestrial presence and challenges posed by advanced extraterrestrial technology. It is this latter group which may prove to be the key in solving systemic global problems caused by the first group and the ‘shadow government’.
In this report, I will first describe the group of extraterrestrials that are part of a military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex that while mainly associated with the US, is global in scope. I will then describe the second group of extraterrestrials who have declined to be associated with the military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex. Distinguishing between extraterrestrial groups in this way helps bring to prominence the complex ethical-legal-political dimensions in understanding how different extraterrestrial races choose to cooperate or not with the military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex. For example, is a race of extraterrestrials ‘unfriendly’ if it chooses to become part of a ‘military-industrial-extraterrestrial’ complex thereby sharing technology with national security agencies in what may be described as ‘mutually beneficial projects’ that lead to secrecy, human rights violations and damage the global environment as a result of policies by the ‘shadow government’? Likewise, is a race of extraterrestrials ‘friendly’ when it refuses to be co-opted into a military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex thereby choosing to play a mainly observer role as a majority of the human race is exploited by human elites and extraterrestrials associated with the military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex? While a prima facie argument can be made to answer ‘yes’ to both questions, this should not disguise the deeper ethical-legal-political issues that emerge with the existence of a military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex and dealing with such questions.
Understanding the motivations and activities of the most significant extraterrestrial races will help greatly in answering the above questions; and will also help private individuals respond adequately to the dilemma over which extraterrestrial races contribute to global problems confronting humanity, and which extraterrestrial races can be worked with for the evolution and emancipation of humanity.
2. Extraterrestrial Races Cooperating with the Military-Industrial-Extraterrestrial Complex

Short Grays
The extraterrestrial races in this group include the ubiquitous Grays from the star system Zeta Reticulum and the Orion Constellation who are described in most of the abduction research and who figure prominently in reports of UFO crashes. Robert Dean included the Grays as one extraterrestrial described in NATO’s Assessment. [16] Col Phillip Corso who served in the Eisenhower administration and later headed the Foreign Technology Desk at the U.S. Army’s Research and Development Department, claims to have witnessed the body of a dead ‘Gray’ retrieved from Roswell in 1947. What he saw fit the classic description of a four foot tall extraterrestrial with a large head, large black almond shaped eyes, thin torso and spindly arms and legs. [17] A classic description is by Travis Walton who had an abduction experience with the Grays:

They were very short, shorter than five feet, and they had very large bald heads, no hair. Their heads were domed, very large. They looked like foetuses. They had no eyebrows, no eyelashes. They had very large eyes – enormous eyes – almost all brown, without much white in them. The creepiest thing about them were those eyes. Oh, man, those eyes, they just stared through me. [18]

Prominent UFO ‘abduction’ researchers such as Dr David Jacobs, Budd Hopkins and the late Dr Karla Turner have provided detailed case studies of the abusive aspects of UFO ‘abductions’. [19] These researchers found disturbing evidence of abusive treatment of individuals taken into UFO craft, of women being involuntarily subjected to a genetic program aimed at producing human-extraterrestrial hybrids, and of adult hybrids performing humiliating sexual activities on female abductees. Many researchers agree that the Grays are deeply involved in developing a hybrid human-Gray race that would be a suitable vehicle for the next step in human evolution. Researchers such as Jacobs believe this is a cause for alarm and poses a direct threat to human sovereignty. [20]
According to Col Corso, the Grays were involved in agreements with the Eisenhower administration that military officials saw as a form of ‘negotiated surrender’, where the Grays gained permission for abducting civilians and ‘expanding’ their biological program. [21] Clifford Stone distinguishes between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ extraterrestrials, and refers to the Grays as part of the ‘bad guys’ committing egregious abductions and that the U.S. government is unsure how to disclose this to the general public:
“The good guys [ETs] are, well, I like to refer to them as being nomadic. What you´re talking about, about the non-intervention with other intelligent life forms is a universal law. The nomadics go along with that. The greys violated the universal law…. I think there is the effort for the good guys to make contact with the people within our government, but I think now what is happening is that the U.S. government learned in 1983 or thereabout that they are NOT dealing with the good guys, but really don´t know what to do about it. [22]
The Grays are very active in human abductions, genetic experiments, monitoring humans through implants, mind control/programming, cloning and creation of hybrid humans. These contribute to systemic global problems such as humans traumatized by abduction experiences, genetically modified humans, implants for monitoring humans, and an overly passive population due to hypnotic mind control/programming.

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Tall Grays/Whites
The second prominent race in this group of extraterrestrials are the ‘tall Grays’ described by Robert Dean as “a very large group, I say large, they were 6-8 maybe sometimes 9 feet tall and they were humanoid, but they were very pale, very white, didn´t have any hair on their bodies at all.” [23] Tall Grays are described to originate from the Orion constellation, and according to Dr Arthur Horn play an overseeing role vis-à-vis short Grays:
The short greys are overseen within their own ranks by the taller seven to eight foot tall greys. These greys are the ones that actually carry out "diplomatic" missions, such as secretly negotiating treaties with heads of human governments. As mentioned the greys in general, and the small three to five foot greys in particular, have been likened to mercenaries. [24]
Support for the diplomatic role played by the ‘tall Grays’ comes from William Cooper, former Navy Intelligence Advisor, who claims he saw classified documents where the ‘tall Grays’ did negotiate agreements with the Eisenhower administration in meetings beginning in 1954.
Later in 1954 the race of large nosed Gray Aliens which had been orbiting the Earth landed at Holloman Air Force Base. A basic agreement was reached. This race identified themselves as originating from a Planet around a red star in the Constellation of Orion which we called Betelgeuse. They stated that their planet was dying and that at some unknown future time they would no longer be able to survive there. [25]
The meeting at Holloman Air force base in New Mexico has reportedly been the site of subsequent extraterrestrial meetings with tall Grays. In 1972-73, for example, the producers Robert Emenegger and Allan Sandler had allegedly been offered and witnessed actual Air force film footage of a meeting involving tall Grays that occurred at Holloman Air force base in 1971. [26] It can be inferred that this ‘tall Gray’ race is a hybrid race that represents a fusion of human looking extraterrestrials and ‘short Gray’ biological material

When it comes to the abduction phenomenon, Dr David Jacobs concludes from an exhaustive analysis of sixty case studies in Secret Life that the tall Grays play an overseeing role in these. [27] The tall Grays were found to be present in many abductions that Jacobs examined through hypnotic regression of abductees, and were in command of the short Grays who performed most of the abductions

Recently a former U.S. Air Force serviceman published his memoirs where he disclosed extensive interactions with a variety of ‘tall Grays’ which he called ‘tall Whites’ due to their very white chalky skin and white hair.

[28] Hall was stationed at Nellis Air force base from 1965-67 where his duty was to use weather balloons for the Air Force from the Indian Springs location on the base. He describes his interactions with ´Tall Whites´ beginning in 1965 and how he and other servicemen coped with their disturbing presence. Hall described a catalogue of incidents where the ‘tall Whites’ terrorised other military servicemen who didn´t understand them, surprised them or threatened them in some way. Hall for example describes one ‘tall White’ who wanted to kill military servicemen who accidentally hit her child with a stone and broke her arm. [29] The incident led to the ‘tall White’ threatening the servicemen with death if he didn´t leave immediately and promise to never return
Other servicemen had similar negative encounters with the ´tall Whites´ where their lives were threatened if they frightened ‘tall White’ children or didn’t follow orders to the letter. [30] Significantly, these dire consequences were given approval by the Pentagon which monitored the tall Whites interactions with Hall and other military servicemen. Only Hall was spared this kind of intimidating treatment since he had the intelligence and courage to interact with the ‘tall Whites’ in a friendly way. Furthermore, he had apparently saved the life of a ‘tall White’ child and this led to him being befriended by the ‘tall Whites’ and incorporated him into a project to study human-tall White interaction. [31] This is where the Tall Whites display more positive qualities such as friendship and superior technical knowledge in their interactions with Hall
Significantly, the ‘Tall Whites’ began to be seen in the Mojave desert area in 1954 indicating that they were associated with the agreement(s) reached between the ‘tall Grays’ and the Eisenhower administration in 1954. [32] Hall further describes regularly seeing them in the presence of Air force generals and other senior officials who recognised the ambassadorial status of the Tall White leader. [33]
The ‘tall Grays’ and/or ‘tall Whites’ represent a working model of how ‘human’ and Gray biological material can be combined, and therefore play a lead role in assisting the short Grays in ‘interacting’ with humanity to develop a suitable hybrid species. The ‘tall Grays/Whites’ intimidate humans in a variety of reported interactions, and behave in an almost clinical manner reminiscent of a medical doctor conducting an experiment. The tall Grays/Whites are most involved in genetic experiments, creating a hybrid human-Gray race, mind control and diplomatic agreements with the ‘shadow government’. Global problems that are influenced by the tall Grays/Whites include genetically modified humans, implants for monitoring humans, an overly passive population due to hypnotic mind control, influence over elite decision makers, the infiltration of national security agencies, and human rights abuses of civilians and military personnel

Another prominent extraterrestrial race in this group is described by Dean as humanoids with Reptilian characteristics that are 6-8ft tall. [34] Reptilian extraterrestrial races have been described to be both native to Earth, and also from other star systems. R.A. Boulay has extensively analysed a variety of historic sources and argued that there is sufficient evidence to support the conclusion that an ancient extraterrestrial race of Reptilians inhabited the Earth and played a role in the creation of humanity. [35] According to Thomas Castello, a former security official at, Dulce, a highly classified underground facility involving a number of extraterrestrial races cooperating with a number of U.S. national security agencies and corporations, Reptilians indigenous to Earth work side by side with humans and other extraterrestrial races
… Some ´reptoids´ [Reptilians] are native to this planet. The ruling caste of ´aliens´ ARE reptilian…. They were an ancient race on Earth, living underground…. Reptoids rightly consider themselves "native Terrans." Perhaps they are the ones we call the Fallen Angels - maybe not. Either way, we are [considered] the ´squatters´ on Earth….Since I was the Senior Security Technician at that base [Dulce], I had to communicate with them on a daily basis. If there were any problems that involved security or video cameras, I was the one they called. It was the reptilian "working caste" that usually did the physical labour in the lower levels at Dulce. [36]

According to Castello, the lower levels of Dulce involved extensive human rights abuses on captive civilians by joint extraterrestrial-human project leaders. William Hamilton, a well respected UFO researcher, researched both the Dulce base facility, and Thomas Castillo’s claims and credibility, and found them to be highly plausible:
[ Level 1 - garage for street maintenance
Level 2 - garage for trains, shuttles, tunnel-boring machines and disc maintenance
Level 3 - everyone is weighed, in the nude, then given a jump suit uniform. The weight of the person is put on a computer I.D. card each day. Change in over three pounds requires a physical exam and X-ray.
Level 4 - Human research in ´paranormal´ areas - mental telepathy, mind control, hypnosis, remote viewing, astral traveling - etc. The technology is apparently here to allow them to know how to manipulate the ´Bioplasmic Body´ Development of a laser weapon that can remotely cause burns and discomfort on it´s target. They can lower your heartbeat with Deep Sleep ´Delta Waves,´ induce a static shock, then reprogram, Via a Brain- Computer link.
Level 5 - Alien housing . "...The room is circular for the (electro- magnetic) generator is nearly 200 feet diameter and covers the fifth and sixth levels (extreme west south wing). There (are) five entrances (plus an escape trap door on the sixth floor) on each floor. Each portal has double door. The security is severe. Armed guards patrol constantly, and in addition to weight sensitive areas there (are) hand print and eye print stations. Here, is the device that powers the transfer of atoms.
Level 6 - Level 6 is privately called ´Nightmare Hall´. It holds the genetic labs. Experiments done on fish, seals, birds, and mice that are vastly altered from their original, forms. There are multi- armed and multi-legged humans and several cages (and vats) of humanoid bat-like creatures up to 7- feet tall. Aliens have taught the humans a lot about genetics, things both useful and dangerous. Level 7 - Humans in cages here, usually drugged or dazed, sometimes crying out for help.
Level 7 is the worst. "Row after row of 1,000´s of humans & human-mixture remains in cold storage. Here too are embryos of humanoids in various stages of development. Also, many human children´s´ remains in storage vats. Who are (were) these people?"
Below Level 7 - Unknown other levels unexplored by humans. Aliens here. Exits into a vast underground cavern series, unexplored by humans, but suspected to be a huge alien culture area. ]
It may be unpalatable to digest or believe Thomas´ story. In fact, it seems like part of a living nightmare. There is evidence that something strange does go on at Dulce. Does Thomas have the answer? There may be a terrible truth hidden behind the continuing phenomena of UFO sightings, abductions, and animal mutilations. Our government intelligence agencies have had an ongoing watchful eye on all UFO activities for many decades now. This extraordinary phenomenon must have an extraordinary explanation. We may be only one outpost in a vast interstellar empire. [37]
"The average depth of these bases is over a mile, and they again are basically whole cities underground. They all are between 2.66 and 4.25 cubic miles in size. It goes down seven levels and over 2.5 miles deep. At that particular time, we had drilled four distinct holes in the desert, and we were going to link them together and blow out large sections at a time. My job was to go down the holes and check the rock samples, and recommend the explosive to deal with the particular rock. As I was headed down there, we found ourselves amidst a large cavern that was full of outer-space aliens, otherwise known as large Greys. I shot two of them. At that time, there were 30 people down there. About 40 more came down after this started, and all of them got killed. We had surprised a whole underground base of existing aliens. Later, we found out that they had been living on our planet for a long time, perhaps a million years. This could explain a lot of what is behind the theory of ancient astronauts. Anyway, I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which was a box on their body that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt 60 radiation. I have cancer because of that.” Phil Schneider.
In addition to Hamilton’s conclusion about Castillo’s claims and credibility, I have written an extensive report of the Dulce base and found the evidence is very consistent with Castillo’s claims concerning human rights violations involving various extraterrestrials, U.S. national security agencies, and corporations. [38]
Linda Moulton Howe, an investigative journalist and UFO researcher, interviewed a ‘contactee/abductee’ by the name of Jim Sparx who claims to have met with a number of Reptilians indigenous to Earth. [39] According to Sparx, indigenous Earth based Reptilians have their own unique culture and have interacted with humanity for millennia, and both assisted humanity and used it as a resource. Sparx was told by the Reptilians that they have reached a number of secret agreements with national governments. [40]

Sparx’s claims are very consistent with the experience of another ‘contactee’ Ole K., who claims to have met with a female Reptilian, Lacerta,
and interviewed her on a number of occasions and distributed the interviews as the ‘Lacerta Files’. According to Lacerta, Reptilians who have evolved on Earth are distinct to ‘off-world’ Reptilians who periodically visit the Earth. [41] While there is some debate over the credibility of Ole K, the testimony is coherent and consistent with Sparx and other research on the Reptilian species, and worth considering to better understand Reptilian activities. [42] According to Lacerta, the Reptilians disposition towards humanity is cautious since they view humans as a primitive species that is the ‘property’ of other extraterrestrial races that seeded the planet. The Earth based Reptilians, according to Sparx, ‘harvest’ humans in a way that does not challenge the human presence on the planet. This suggests that the Reptilians are following agreements ‘imposed’ upon them by more powerful off-world extraterrestrial races mentioned by Lacerta

In sum, according to the whistleblower and contactee testimonies discussed thus far, it can be concluded that the indigenous Earth based Reptilians are involved in activities such as manipulating human elites and financial institutions, influencing religious belief systems, militarism and altering the history of human civilization. The systemic global problems the (indigenous) Reptilians contribute to include covert human rights abuses, elite corruption and domination, control the media and corporations, divisive religious dogma, historical amnesia and a culture of violence.


The most controversial ‘whistleblower’/’contactee’ reports concern an off-world ‘master Reptilian race’ described as the Draco-Reptilians who are claimed to originate from the Alpha Draconis star system which is 215 light years distant and was formerly the pole star. [43] According to Alex Collier, the Draconians or Dracos have two main castes, the first of which is a warrior caste that are in the 7-8 foot range, who are apparently feared throughout the galaxy for their fighting abilities. [44] The second caste are a ‘royal line’ of Draco Reptilians that he describes as ‘Ciakars’ which, because of their alleged size, psychic ability and alleged wings, might be confused as the proverbial Dragon if Collier is correct:
The Draconians are a very large reptilian race, otherwise known as "the Dracs". There is royal line of the reptilian race called the Ciakar. They range from 14 to 22 feet tall and can weigh up to 1,800 pounds. They do have winged appendages and they are awesome beings. They´re extremely clairvoyant and extremely clever, and they can also be extremely sinister. [45]
Collier claims that according to the Draconian world view, they were the first intelligent species in the galaxy and seeded many worlds with their biological off-spring. [46] The Draco Reptilians therefore see themselves as the natural rulers of Reptilian ‘controlled’ worlds such as Earth, and view humans as an inferior species. The Draconians are interested in harvesting the Earth’s resources while ensuring that these resources are efficiently exploited.
There appears to be a strict hierarchy involving the Draco-Reptilians and other extraterrestrial races so far described in this group. According to Thomas Castello, Reptilians from Alpha Draconis, the ‘Dracos’, are in command of the Earth based Reptilians. [47] Earth based Reptilians are in turn in command of the ‘tall Grays’, who are in command of the short Grays. Interestingly, Castello also describes the Draconian ruling caste as Ciakars who are winged and therefore could be easily confused as dragons. Jefferson Souza, a Brazilian UFO researcher confirms the existence of a hierarchy involving the Grays and a Master Reptilian race. [48]
All of the extraterrestrial races described above appear to have a number of interlocking agreements between them that have a common interface in the agreements between U.S. national security agencies and the Grays. The Draconians form the (hidden) apex of the military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex (MIEC) that controls information and technology related to the extraterrestrial presence. The Draconians appear to be very active in controlling human elites, institutions and financial systems; promoting militarism; creating a climate of scarcity, struggle and insecurity; harvesting humans and manipulating Grays and other Reptilian races. Draconian activities contribute to global problems such as concentrated wealth, corrupt elites and institutions, ethnic/religious violence, human rights abuses, a culture of violence and terrorism, and the drug trade and organized crime.

Sirians from Sirius B
In addition to the above extraterrestrials, there are a number of human looking extraterrestrials from Sirius B which is part of a binary star system. Extraterrestrials from Sirius B are described as follows
The cultures around Sirius B have a very controlling vibration. Some of the humans are red, beige and black-skinned. The planets around Sirius B are very arid and generally occupied by reptilian and aquatic-type beings… The society is more obsessed with political thought patterns instead of spiritual attributes. [49]
Amazingly, an African tribe called the Dogon, had an intricate understanding of this elliptical orbit of Sirius B around the main star, Sirius A. This knowledge was apparently given to their ancestors by advanced extraterrestrials from the Sirius star system. [50] The Dogon described the Sirians as Amphibians from a planet around Sirius B, which is consistent with Collier’s claim that one of the planets around Sirius B is “generally occupied by reptilian and aquatic-type beings.” [51] The racial carteristics of the humans from Sirius B suggests that these are descendents from the star system Vega which will be described later.

Preston Nichols claims to be a ‘whistleblower’ who participated in a clandestine project at Montauk that involved a number of extraterrestrial groups. An independent investigator found Nichols “to be a very reliable and solid witness and that for myself, his information checked out across the board--right down the line; to the extent that it was at all possible to verify particular information.” [52] The humans from Sirius B, according Nichols played a role in providing exotic technology such as time/inter-dimensional travel to clandestine government agencies involved in both the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk Project. [53]
Alex Collier explains the role of this group of extraterrestrials in technology exchanges with national security agencies: “those from Sirius B have come here and really messed with our heads, and they are the ones who originally gave our government the Montauk technology.” [54] This exotic technology was provided for the purpose of encouraging national security agencies to develop offensive military capabilities vis-à-vis possible extraterrestrial threats. This technological assistance even involved biological weapons research according to Collier who claims: “the biological material that has been added to the Ebola [virus] was given to the government by the humanoids from Sirius B. I don´t know if was one of their viruses that they picked up somewhere or whether it is actually from them.” [55]
According to Daniel Salter another whistleblower with long military service which included a period in the National Reconnaissance Office, extraterrestrial related issues drive human-extraterrestrial cooperation in a clandestine organization in the National Security Agency called the Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization (ACIO). [56] According to leaked information from an alleged whistleblower on a popular website called the Wingmakers, information which Salter affirms to be accurate, ACIO is cooperating with a consortium of extraterrestrials to develop sophisticated time travel technologies for future extraterrestrial threats. [57] According to the Wingmakers website:
Blank Slate Technology or BST … is a form of time travel that enables the re-write of history at what are called intervention points. Intervention points are the causal energy centres that create a major event like the break-up of the Soviet Union or the NASA space program. BST is the most advanced technology and clearly anyone who is in possession of BST, can defend themselves against any aggressor. It is, as Fifteen [leader of the Labyrinth] was fond of saying, the freedom key. Remember that the ACIO was the primary interface with extraterrestrial technologies and how to adapt them into mainstream society as well as military applications. We were exposed to extraterrestrials and knew of their agenda. Some of these extraterrestrials scared the hell out of the ACIO. [58]

It is likely that this consortium of extraterrestrials includes those from Sirius B who allegedly provided some time travel/inter-dimensional travel technology for the Montauk Project, and assistance in researching biological weapons.
The Sirians do not appear to be closely connected to the Gray or Reptilian groups that have been the main extraterrestrial groups involved in technology transfers. The Syrian interaction with the shadow government appears to have been an independent initiative designed to provide an alternative source of extraterrestrial technology. Nevertheless, Collier’s description of humans from Sirians B co-habiting their worlds with Reptilians suggests a deep historical experience with Reptilians. This suggests that concern with the Reptilian/Gray technology exchange agreements may have been a major factor in the Sirians efforts.
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In conclusion, this human extraterrestrial group from Sirius B is mainly active in technology exchange programs that have assisted the government in the acquisition of various technologies that have had military applications. This appears to be aimed at promoting military cooperation to potential extraterrestrial threats against Earth, both through subversion and external intervention. The global problems that the humanoids from Sirius B have contributed to include: covert weapons research, use of exotic technologies, and abuse of civilians used in time travel experiments.

Finally, there is reported to be a race of giant humanoids who have played a role in seeding the Earth with humans, and who periodically return to the Earth to determine how effectively Earth’s resources have been utilized by humanity and those extraterrestrial races playing a role in ‘managing’ humanity. These are described by the Sumerians as the Annunaki from the world ‘Nibiru’ in the extensive cuneiform texts translated by Zechariah Sitchin. [59] These giant humanoids apparently form the chief ‘founding’ extraterrestrial races that were the gods described in ancient mythologies and religions. [60] According to the accounts of the Sumerians, the Annunaki chief god is Anu and the pantheon of Annunaki as described by Sitchin form key figures in the hierarchy that secretly oversee management of humanity and the planet Nibiru which periodically returns to the vicinity of Earth. According to Alex Collier, this is how the Annunaki or ‘Nibiruans’ originated as a species:
A very long time ago, colonies on Sirius B and the Orion Group were having trouble with each other. In order to bring peace, there was a marriage between members of each group. The woman came from the Orion Group, where the hierarchy includes a queen – the matriarchal paradigm. The male was from Sirius B. Both members were considered royalty of their respective line. When these two came together in marriage, their offspring had the genetics from both lines. Because of these genetics, the new race that was created was given the name “Nibiru”, which I am told by Moraney [Andromedan Counsellor] in the Orion tongue means “divided amongst two”. This is who they literally are – a cross between those from Sirius B and a race from the Orion system. They formed a new “tribe” which has continued to flourish for at least hundreds of thousands of years. So, they are a tribe that has become a race. [61]

It appears that the Anunnaki’s mode of operation is to leave ‘primitive’ species such as humanity to flourish on the planet’s surface while more advanced races such as the Reptilians form a kind of ‘planetary management team’ to harvest humanity in a way that serves the long term interest of the Annunaki who return periodically to assess their ‘human experiment’. It therefore appears that the Annunaki form a kind of regulatory agent to ensure that the Earth’s resources, and humanity in general, are responsibly ‘managed’.
The Annunaki have a relationship with the Earth based Reptilians based on whatever historical agreements they reached over humanity will be managed. It is also likely that the Annunaki have some form of agreement with the Draconians over how the latter intervene in worlds where the Annunaki have established ‘human experiments’. Finally, it is also likely that some members of the Annunaki have remained secretly on Earth and therefore have played a role in the creation of elite human organizations to manage human affairs. [62] These ‘agreements’ and/or secret control of human elite groups indirectly make the Annunaki a part of the military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex.
According to Sergeant Dean, the Annunaki are major players in human affairs and this is likely to become more significant as their home planet, Nibiru, returns to the vicinity of Earth. [63] It is the apparent return of the Annunaki that appears to be a wild card that concerns national security agencies that are unaware of how this race of extraterrestrials will impact on global humanity and the military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex that has been created to manage extraterrestrial affairs. [64] The main activities of the Annunaki are to influence the long term human evolution through elite groups, systems and institutions, and by influencing human consciousness. They appear to be in competition with the Draconians for control of Earth. The main global problems they contribute to include elite domination, religious fundamentalism, a patriarchal global culture, and a culture of violence.
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Extraterrestrial Races Outside of the Military-Industrial-Extraterrestrial Complex
On February 20, 1954, a delegation of ‘human looking’ extraterrestrial races met with the Eisenhower administration in an unsuccessful effort to reach an agreement on the US’s thermonuclear nuclear weapons program. [65] The apparent stumbling block was that these extraterrestrial races were not willing to provide technology that might be used by the military-industrial interests that dominated the Eisenhower administration and set the tone for subsequent extraterrestrial – human dialogue. The principled opposition of this group of extraterrestrials to being co-opted into an emerging military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex (MIEC) marks an important indicator of a large grouping of ‘human’ extraterrestrial races who lie outside of the web of interlocking interests that make up the MIEC in the U.S. and elsewhere on the planet.
This second category of extraterrestrial races is primarily ‘human’ and can easily integrate with human society in the manner described by Dean and others where they can be indistinguishable from the rest of humanity. [66] These races are described to be from star systems such as Lyra, Vega, Pleiades, Sirius, Procyon, Tau Ceti, Ummo, Andromeda and Arcturus who have provided some of the genetic material for the seeding of humanity on Earth. [67] According to Alex Collier, a total of 22 extraterrestrial races have provided genetic material for the ‘human experiment’. These include Reptilian, Gray and Annunaki races described earlier as well as those races in this second group which Collier describes as ‘benevolent’:
That we, as a product of extraterrestrial genetic manipulation, are possessors of a vast gene pool consisting of many different racial memory banks, also consisting of at least 22 different races. Because of
our genetic heritage, and because we are spirit, the benevolent extraterrestrial races actually view us as being royalty. [68]
As a result of this genetic linkage, the extraterrestrials in this group outside of the MIEC apparently view humanity in much the way a protective parent might view an adolescent son/daughter in a dangerous environment. [69] The vital interests of races in this category are to ensure that global humanity evolves in a responsible way without endangering both itself and the greater galactic community of which it is part.
There are two parts to this grouping of extraterrestrials. The first are ‘extraterrestrials’ that have historically inhabited the Earth’s subterranean dwellings, and are described as remnants of ancient human civilization that followed a separate evolutionary path to surface humanity. The second are extraterrestrials that have ‘off-world’ origins but have humanoid features to the extent that some of them can easily intermingle with the rest of humanity without being easily identified.
The subterranean ‘extraterrestrials’ are described to be remnants of previous human civilizations on the Earth’s surface such as Lemuria and Atlantis and are thus genetically related to humanity. The most famous description of one of these ancient races is found in the posthumously published ‘diaries’ of Admiral Richard Byrd who describes a secret expedition to the North Pole where he was taken into the subterranean dwelling of an advanced race with Nordic physical characteristics. The Nordic racial subgrouping, which is still largely in existence to day, is characterized by light colored hair and eyes, a tall slim body build and a distinctive "long" (that is, thin and extended) skull shape.
The skull of a member of the Alpine White sub-race, viewed from the front and the side. The rectangular shape of the facial structure is clearly visible.
He was shown some of the wondrous technology of this society and also met the leader of this advanced subterranean race who allegedly said:
´We have let you enter here because you are of noble character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral´ … you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the Earth…. Admiral, I shall tell you why you have been summoned here. Our interest rightly begins just after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was at that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the "Flugelrads", to your surface world to investigate what your race had done…. You see, we have never interfered before in your race´s wars, and barbarity, but now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does exist. You see, our Culture and Science is many thousands of years beyond your race, Admiral.´ [70]
While there continues to be controversy over the veracity of Admiral Byrd’s diaries, there are a number of reported encounters with representatives of an advanced subterranean human race. A large subterranean city called Telos is argued to lie below Mt Shasta, California and has been described by individuals who have either physically travelled to this city and witnessed it, or those who claim to have telepathically communicated with the occupants of this city. Prominent UFO researcher, William Hamilton, claims to have met representatives of Telos who described to him the advanced technology and structure of Telos and their connection to the former civilization of Lemuria. Hamilton described a Telosian, ‘Bonnie’, and her family as follows:
Bonnie, her mother (Rana Mu), her father (Ra Mu), her sister Judy, her cousins Lorae and Matox live and move in our society, returning frequently to TELOS for rest and recuperation. Bonnie relates that her people use boring machines to bore tunnels in the Earth. These boring machines heat the rock to incandescence, and then vitrify it, thus eliminating the need for beams and supports. A tube transit tunnel is used to connect the cities that exist in various subterranean regions in our hemisphere. The tube trains are propelled by electromagnetic impulses up to speeds of 2500 mph. One tube connects with one of their cities in the Matto Grosso jungle of Brazil. They grow food hydroponically under full-spectrum lighting with their gardens attended by automatons. The food and resources of Telos are distributed in plenty to the million-and- a-half population that thrives on a no-money economy. [71]
According to Dianne Robbins, who claims to have telepathically communicated with the Telosians, they are the remnants of Ancient Lemuria who made Mt Shasta their home after the destruction of their continent. [72] Originally numbering 15,000, this Lemurian remnant has apparently flourished in the underground caverns of Mt Shasta and grown to a population of 1.5 million where psychotronic technologies, involving crystals and the highly developed mental abilities of the Telosians, are used to maintain an incredibly advanced society that interacts with extraterrestrials from a number of star systems. The Telosians are reported to specialize in maintaining human longevity and integrating harmonious technologies and belief systems for surface based humans. The Telosians and other subterranean ‘extraterrestrials’ seek to curtail the most damaging aspects of human-extraterrestrial technological agreements while assisting in the evolutionary growth in human consciousness. The main activities of the Telosians can be inferred to be in helping surface humanity learn of its ancient Earth history, restore human longevity, changing unhealthy belief systems and protecting the environment. The global solutions provided by the Telosians include: environmental protection; promoting bio-diversity; restoring human health and longevity; and recovery of lost historical knowledge.
The ‘off-world’ human looking extraterrestrial have been claimed to have provided some of the genetic material for human evolution, and that many of these extraterrestrials have allowed some of their personnel to incarnate as ‘star seeds’ on Earth in human families. These ‘star seeds’, ‘star children’ or ‘star people’ are described by Brad and Francie Steiger as individuals whose ‘souls’ were formally incarnated on the worlds of other star systems and then travelled to Earth and decided to incarnate here in order to boost the evolutionary development of humanity. [73] Most of humanity would consider this group of extraterrestrials to be ‘benevolent’ as described by ‘contactees’ such as George Adamski, Orfeo Angelucci, George Van Tassell, Howard Menger, Paul Villa, Billy Meier and Alex Collier who each explain the nature of their voluntary interactions with these human looking extraterrestrials. [74] These contactees often provide physical evidence in the form of photographs, film and/or witnesses of their contacts with extraterrestrial races. The most extensively documented and researched contactee is Eduard ‘Billy’ Meier who provided much physical evidence for investigators. These off world human extraterrestrial races appear to have different ‘specialties’ as a result of unique histories and planetary migrations due to galactic upheavals and conflicts. It is worth exploring the main activities of each race to understand how they either currently interact with humanity or how they may better interact with humanity to address global problems.
It is appropriate to begin the discussion of these ‘off world’ extraterrestrial races and their main activities by focusing on a star system that has been described as the source for the spread of human civilization in the Milky War galaxy, the constellation of Lyra. One of the first ‘contactees’ to describe Lyra was Billy Meier who received much public attention as a result of his alleged visits from Pleaidians / Plejarans from 1975 to 1986 which he supported with material evidence that continues to confound those sceptical of Meier’s claims. [75] Comprehensive investigations by a number of individuals and organizations found that Meier’s evidence was not fabricated and therefore constituted significant support for his testimony of extraterrestrial contact. [76] Due to the amount of physical evidence he had provided over the years, Meier has gained great credibility, and the consistency and coherence of his testimonies suggest that he is indeed an important spokesperson for an extraterrestrial race.
Meier was told by his Pleaidians [Pleaidians] contacts of the star system of Lyra and its human inhabitants:
The "Swiss" Pleaidians have described their ancient ancestry, and consequently ours, as originating (before the Pleiades) in a far sun-system in a star group near what we now know as the Ring Nebula of Lyra, for which we have called them Lyrians in the same manner as we refer to the human beings from what we call the Pleiades. These early Lyrians in their numerous migrations in their great Space Arks went to many other star systems and found suitable habitations, and put down colonies, such of which flourished and eventually launched their own space travellers. [77]
Meier further reported of a physical contact with a Lyran ship in 1977
where the Lyrans described their world and the other star systems with whom they cooperated. [78] Alex Collier describes the start of the Lyran civilization as revealed to him by extraterrestrials from Andromeda:
Based on the age of the Suns and the planets in our galaxy, it was decided that the human life form was to be created in the Lyran system. The human race lived there for approximately 40 million years, evolving. The orientation of the human race in Lyrae was agricultural in nature. Apparently, we were very plentiful and abundant, and lived in peace. [79]
The Lyrans posses Nordic features and are quite possibly the ‘Elohim’ described in religious traditions both on Earth and around the galaxy. Due to the Lyrans role in the genesis of the human presence in the galaxy, the Lyrans can understandably be argued to have the most detailed understanding of human origins and galactic history. They can be described as the ‘Galactic historians’ for the human species. It can be inferred that the Lyrans help in disseminating the truth about the evolution of human races in the galaxy, and have a deep understanding of galactic human culture and of the ‘human spirit’. The Lyrans have been further described as follows:
Those from Lyra have an affinity for origins and ancient histories. So they would be useful to you to understand the past in order to transform it. As you understand your past and your origins you may be able in consciousness to go back, pattern by and pattern, peel off the layers of the onion, and find your true nature. They would be excellent guides in this process, this psychological process for humanity, of understanding its motivations and its history and how it came to be. [80]

In conclusion, the Lyrans’ main activities are in disseminating the unique history of the human race in the galaxy, and assisting in understanding human motivations and potentials. The global solutions the Lyrans provide include accurate information about human history, understanding galactic history, discovery of the human essence, diplomacy and conflict resolution, and global education.
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According to Billy Meier, another race of extraterrestrials that physically contacted him was from the Vega star system within the constellation of Lyra. [81] The Vegans were a darker or ‘blue’ skinned group of humans, and were likely the ‘blue race’ of advanced humans mentioned in various Vedic texts, and from whom the Hindu gods Vishnu and Krishna derived. [82] The Brazilian contactee, Jefferson Souza, claims that he met the Vegans of Lyra, who he described as looking very similar to natives of India. [83] According to Alex Collier, Vega was the first star system in Lyra to be populated by humans. [84]
In addition to the Nordic looking humans from Lyra, the Vegans played an important colonising role throughout the Galaxy.
The first extraterrestrials who came to Earth were … humans from worlds that exist within another dimension in the area of the Lyra and Vega systems. The first Lyrians, together with the Vegans, came to Earth initially 22 million years ago. Their stay here was very brief and they continued their travels to other star clusters and planets. Their history is largely obscure, even though assault groups occasionally continued to return to Earth. Approximately 389,000 years ago, several million Lyrians and Vegans again left their native worlds, entered our order of space and time in this dimension, and came to Earth where they mingled with the Earthlings. [85]
Significantly, the results of the Vegans and Lyrans interbreeding with humans paralleled events described in the Book of Enoch where the ‘Nephilim’ intermarried with humans and produced a race of giants that eventually died off. [86] Meier describes these events as follows
They procreated in the normal manner and through the manipulation of genes by genetic engineers. The results of the genetic engineering produced beings that were part human, part animal, and included giants, titans, and other creatures. In the course of hundreds and thousands of years these creatures were displaced once again, and eventually died out because they could not reproduce or because conditions for their life forms proved fatal for them. [87]
Further parallelling events described in the Book of Enoch where the leaders of the Nephilim were punished for their activities on Earth, Meier describes how the ringleaders of the Vegans and Lyrans were responsible for numerous transgressions against the native peoples of Earth and other worlds:
The many millions of Lyrians and Vegans, who had left their native worlds, were headed by 144,207 leaders and sub-leaders, etc., who reigned over their followers in a rather hierarchic manner. The leaders also transferred this behaviour to Earth humans with whom they had intermingled in the past to create human descendants of various types. These 144,207 leaders and their subordinates were, indeed, the ringleaders who were essentially responsible for the misdeeds, false teachings, and false religions which were absorbed and imitated by humans on Earth. Not everything the leaders brought to Earth was evil, false, or criminal, however; many valuable items and ideas were presented to the Earthlings with regard to crafts, professions, philosophies, ways of thinking, medicine, technology, and many other things. [88]
According to Lyssa Royal, the Vegans and Lyrians were strategic competitors when it came to the colonising of other worlds, and eventually began a devasting civil war in the Lyra constellation – the Lyran wars. [89] Alex Collier also refers to a devastating galactic war in Lyra but its cause was external rather than an internal civil war between the Lyrans and the Vegans. [90] According to Meier, the Vegans returning to Earth in the present era are attempting to assist humanity, atone for past mistakes and to assist Vegan star seeds. [91] Like the Lyrans, the global solutions the Vegans provide include accurate information about human history and the Vegan heritage, understanding galactic history, discovery of the human essence, diplomacy and conflict resolution, and global education.

Billy Meier further described how the Pleiadians, descendents of the Nordic looking Lyrans, had migrated between a number of star systems before finally settling in the Pleiades constellation:
The ancient history of the early Pleiadian ancestors in another home sun system was also described and how they came to travel to the Pleiades. A much earlier migration to this solar system is also described and how and why it failed. The one third survivors of the Pleiadian ancestors´ original planet, after its devastation, evolved a new technology, and designed and built the great-spacer evacuation arks in just 900 years, and began to launch them everywhere for many hundreds of years more. The extraterrestrials visiting Switzerland are the descendants of one of those space arks which occupied one of the three planets engineered for human habitation, in one of the sun-systems in what we call the Pleiades today. They have experienced great gains and great losses many times over since that time. In a very real sense, we are descendants of their earliest colonists attempting to settle in this solar system, together with an assortment of aborigines and human exiles from a number of places. [92]
The particular star system from which Meier’s Pleiadians originate is Taygeta and the main planet is Erra. [93] The Pleiadians from Taygeta identified Meier as one of their chosen ‘representatives’ with a mission to bring the truth of the extraterrestrial presence to humanity. [94] Semjase, the Pleiadian female who made contact with Meier, described the Pleiadians as follows:

We are neither guardians of Earth beings nor God-sent angels or similar. Many persons suggest we are watching over Earth and her beings and would control their fates. This is not true, because we only perform a self-selected mission which has nothing to do with supervising or regulating Earth fates. Thus it is wrong to expose us as superterrestrial messengers and guardians. [95]
The Pleiadians identified a key aspect of their mission is to warn humanity of the Grays which they described as follows:
33. There are also different life forms that have acquired much knowledge and have freed themselves from their environment. They travel through space and occasionally come to Earth.
34. Many of them are rather unpleasant creatures and live in a type of barbarism that frequently is nearly as bad as the terrestrials.
35. You should be aware of them because they often attack and destroy everything that gets in their way.
36. Many times they have even destroyed whole planets or forced their inhabitants into bondage.
37. It is one of our missions to warn the people on Earth of these creatures.
38. Let this be known to the Earth people because the time is approaching when a conflict with these degenerate human creatures [Grays] becomes unavoidable. [96]
According to Collier, the Grays and Pleiadians are involved in armed skirmishes in the solar system and other systems such as Sirius B. [97] Other key aspects of the Pleiadian mission according to Meier, are to assist in the uplift of human consciousness and to promote the unity of religion. [98] Significantly, the Pleiadians were dismissive of the claims of many other contactees such as Adamski, and thereby implied some exclusivity in relating the truths and dynamics of the extraterrestrial presence. [99] Interestingly, Collier claimed that some Pleiadians groups such as those from Alcyone operate with ‘hidden agendas’, while those from Teygeta (e.g., Meier’s Pleiadians) are described as genuinely assisting humanity. [100] Despite the possible ‘hidden agenda’ of some Pleiadians, most testimony and evidence points to Pleiadians in general having positive interactions with humans, and that they do much to assist in the elevation of human consciousness and assisting humanity in finding freedom from Gray/Reptilian influence. [101] In conclusion, the main activity of the Pleiadians appears to be helping humanity find freedom from oppressive structures through education and consciousness raising. The Pleiadians can assist in find global solutions such as universal human rights, participatory democratic systems, the evolution of human consciousness and global education.
Nordic Rigelians
One of the many human space colonies spawned by the Lyrans was eventually established on planets in the Rigel solar system in the Orion Constellation. At some point in its history, Rigel with its Nordic population presumably underwent a destructive civil war and was taken over by Grays. According to George Andrews, a Nordic from the star system of Procyon, Khyla, revealed much information about the Rigelians, Procyons and Grays to a human contactee whose information was consistent with other sources and Andrews concluded was credible. [102] the contactee described Khyla as follows:
Khyla looked like a tall handsome human, slender but muscular, masculine yet ethereal. He appeared either naturally or artificially to have black around his eyes, almost like kohl [coal]. His face was close to exquisite, but definitely masculine. He had a gaunt face with high cheekbones and piercing cobalt-blue eyes. He had fine blond hair that was almost shoulder-length. He had a muscular neck. His skin was pale flesh colour, with a whitish overtone. It is hard to gauge his exact height because of the circumstances under which our encounter occurred, but it was somewhere between six and seven feet. [103]
Andrews writes about the history of Rigel as revealed by Khyla to the contactee:
The ancestors of the short Grays were once tall Blonds. The Great War took place…. Before the Great War, Rigel was a vast empire, which had been the source of most galactic seeding. All Rigelians were tall Blonds. A colony had already been established on Procyon. The Great War was a civil war of Rigelians versus Rigelians, and lasted the equivalent of three Earth centuries. A group of Rigelians who realized that the Great War was about to break out took off for the Procyon colony in crude, clandestinely built ships. … They were the only Rigelians to escape the cataclysmic devastation. All those who had remained on Rigel were transformed into short Grays. [104]
It appears that Rigel underwent a planet wide nuclear war and environmental collapse that led to life in underground shelters. It is very unlikely that the transformation of Nordic Rigelians involved them becoming ‘short Grays’ whose genetic material is generally accepted as inferior to human races such as the Nordics. The genetic mutation process would have taken much longer than the three centuries mentioned. It is more likely that the surviving Rigelian Nordics were incorporated into a planet wide genetic hybridization program by ‘short Grays’ from a star system such as Zeta Reticulum who had covertly infiltrated and undermined Rigel prior to and/or during the Great War on Rigel. The short Grays most likely succeeded in genetically engineering the ‘Tall Grays’ using genetic material from the Nordic survivors who were to weak to resist the Gray hybridization agenda. These Rigelian ‘tall Grays’ subsequently play a key role in diplomatic initiatives by the Grays and serving as a genetic model for new human-Gray hybrid races that allegedly represent the best of both species.
Most of the Rigelians who fled their planet travelled to the star system of Procyon to restart their civilization. Procyon is a binary star system about 11.4 light years from Earth, and it was apparently the fourth planet in this system that the Rigelians established their new colony. [105] According to Andrews, the colony of Procyon flourished until it became embroiled in sinister effort by the Grays that now populated Rigel to subvert Procyon. Khyla described the process adopted by the Grays in their subversion of Procyon:

The Grays began to visit us, first a few as ambassadors, then as specialists in various domains where their expertise could be useful to us, as participants in different programs that involved mutual collaboration, and finally as tourists. What had begun as a trickle became a flood, as they came in ever-increasing numbers, slowly but surely infiltrating our society at all levels, penetrating even the most secret of our elite power groups…. Just as on your planet they began by unobtrusively gaining control over key members of the CIA and KGB through techniques unknown to them, such as telepathic hypnosis that manipulates the reptilian levels of the brain, so on Procyon through the same techniques … they established a kind of telepathic hypnotic control over our leaders. Over our leaders and over almost all of us, because it was as if we were under a spell that was leading us to our doom, as if we were being programmed by a type of ritual black magic that we did not realize existed. [106]
Khyla went on to describe the eventual take over of Procyon by the Grays and the enslavement of most Procyons that did not escape. Using advanced time travel technology which involved ‘multidimensional consciousness’, something which the Grays apparently could not duplicate due to their degraded genetic bodies, a significant number of Procyons were able to escape and began a liberation war from the ‘remote corridors of time’. Significantly, the Procyons describe how some of their resistance techniques would be relevant to the situation on Earth:
… It would be suicidal to attempt to fight the Grays directly with the weapons now at your disposal. One must be rational in attempting to fight back, and understand the proper way to proceed. Your own consciousness is the most potent weapon that is available to you at the present time. The most effective way to fight the Grays is to change the level of your consciousness from linear thinking to multi-dimensional awareness…. They have the technology to throw your planet out of orbit, but there is one key ability that you have and they do not have: the ability to hold in mind imagery that inspires an individual to realize his or her direct personal connection to the source of all that is… That is your key to victory. [107]
According to Alex Collier, the Procyons have recently liberated their world from Gray influence and he describes the Procyons as currently “gung ho” when it comes to dealing with the Grays. [108]
In conclusion, the Procyons main activity is in effectively resisting the extraterrestrial subversion by developing a ‘multidimensional consciousness’, using mind imagery to protect oneself from extraterrestrial mind control, and monitoring unfriendly extraterrestrial activity. The global solutions that the Procyons can assist in include exposing extraterrestrial subversion, helping end global secrecy of the extraterrestrial presence, promoting multidimensional consciousness, deprogramming mind control, promoting universal human rights, and developing the internet and global communication.
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Tau Cetians
Other human populated worlds are apparently the star systems of Tau Ceti and Epsilon Eridani. The researcher, Frank Crawford, interviewed a number of individuals who had physical contact with the Tau Cetians. [109] the first and most significant was an alleged whistleblower who participated in crash retrievals of UFOs; a live occupant was captured and interrogated by U.S. national security officials from a crash near Phoenix, Arizona in 1961. ‘Oscar’, the pseudonym used by the whistleblower, described to Frank Crawford the origins of the captured extraterrestrial who was nicknamed ‘Hank’
It was later confirmed by Hank that the stars of origin of his people were Tau Ceti and Epsilon Eridani. In later sessions Oscar discussed some reasons for the presence of the aliens. He said the[y] do not like the situation with some of the small grey aliens. He corrected us when we used the term ´grey´ and said that they are actually white. The Tau Cetians feel that the abductions being carried out by some of the Greys are a great injustice to humanity. ‘They are a parasitic race that has and is preying on human civilizations throughout the universe, Oscar relayed. He added that our government´s involvement with the Grays is very dangerous and out of control….The Tau Cetians have been preyed upon by these aliens before and they are working with other races and communities that were also victims…. (Oscar) wants people to know that if they are contacted by the Tau Cetians (humans such as he described) to not be afraid because they are here to help. [110]

The revelations by ‘Hank’ suggest that the Tau Cetians are present to help deal with the covert strategies and activities of the Grays. They in particular are very concerned about the nature of the agreements reached with them by the U.S. ‘shadow government’, and in helping individual ‘abductees’. According to ‘Oscar’ the Tau Cetian, ‘Hank’, was tortured and that this nearly caused an incident with other Tau Cetians who wanted to militarily intervene on behalf of their captured colleague. [111] the events described by Oscar are consistent with the main activity of the Tau Cetians as described in the following telepathic communication: “One of the races is from Tau Ceti. They´re specialists in intrigue and determining motivations of cloaked societies. They understand the ways that subterfuge can cripple a system. So they would be excellent contacts for undercover work.” [112]
The second individual who had physical contact with Tau Cetians was an abductee, Jill Waldport, who described to Frank Crawford how she had been contacted by two sets of extraterrestrials, the Grays and a human looking race that attempted to help her in dealing with the Grays:
Jill informed me that the aliens told her they didn´t like what some of the aliens were doing to her without her consent. They had come to help her learn how to overcome the DECEPTIONS of the Grays and to protect herself. They explained that she needed to psychically build a shield around herself, like a brick wall, when they came for her. This would help keep her from being deceived by their MIND TRICKS. She tried it the next time the Grey´s came to her and it ´seemed´ to work. [113]
Crawford then revealed how Jill described the origins of the benevolent extraterrestrials as Tau Cetians:
At this point the correlation counter in my mind was working overtime, so I decided to go for gold and ask her if they told her where they were from. Believe it or not she replied, ´Tau Seat-eye, does that make any sense?´ Later I mentioned to Oscar that I was investigating a case that involved intense interaction with Grays and Tau Cetians showing up to help. He asked where the case was from and I told him near Springfield, Illinois. He rattled off a very accurate description of Jill and said he was aware that she had been contacted. [114]
In conclusion, the Tau Cetians main activities lies in raising awareness of how to deal with the subversion of societies by extraterrestrial races, identifying corrupt elites and institutions, uplifting human consciousness, and developing strategies for negating advanced mind control techniques. The global solutions they can assist in include exposing government/financial corruption and elite manipulation, monitoring extraterrestrial infiltration, deprogramming mind control and implant removal, promoting multidimensional consciousness, diplomacy and conflict resolution.
Those ET’s from Andromeda are also described by Alex Collier as having been direct descendents of the Lyrans who experienced some difficulty when first leaving the Lyran system due to predatory extraterrestrial races, but eventually settled in the Andromeda constellation in the star system ‘Zenetae’. Collier describes the nature of the Andromedans as follows:
Everything that they create technologically is used for the advancement of their race. It is for educational purposes only. But, it can be used in defence. No, they do not have a military, per se, they are scientists. What they do is send their children to school anywhere from 150 to 200 years, in our linear time. They teach their students all of the arts and sciences. They are literally masters at everything. Then, at that point, they have the choice in what it is they want to do, and they can change their minds anytime and do something else. So, they are given all the tools. Everything is for education. Nothing is for distraction. They would never conceive of creating television as a distraction. Never. Everything is to help them evolve, and their science and their technology can be used for defensive purposes -- mostly the holographic stuff. [115]
The most significant feature of the Andromedans is that they are instrumental in the Andromeda Council which is a grouping of approximately 140 star systems who deliberate upon Earth. In a 1997 Interview, Collier described the Council’s deliberations as follows
Now, in our galaxy there are many types of council. I don´t know everything about all those councils, but I do know about the Andromedan council, which is a group of beings from 139 different star systems that come together and discuss what is going on in the galaxy. It is not a political body. What they have been recently discussing is the tyranny in our future, 357 years from now, because that affects everybody. Apparently what they have done, through time travel, is that they have been able to figure out where the significant shift in energy occurred that causes the tyranny 357 years in our future. They have traced it back to our solar system, and they have been able to further track it down to Earth, Earths moon and Mars. Those three places. The very first meeting the Andromedan council had was to decide whether or not to directly intervene with what was going on here. According to Moraney, there were only 78 systems that met this first time. Of those 78, just short of half decided that they wanted nothing to do with us at all, regardless of the problems. I think it is really important that you know why they wanted nothing to do with us. We are talking about star systems that are hundreds of millions of light years away from us. Even some who have never met us. They just knew the vibration of the planet reflected those on it. The reasons why they wanted nothing to do with us is that from their perspective, Earth humans don´t respect themselves, each other or the planet. What possibly can be the value of Earth humans? Fortunately, the majority of the council gave the opinion that because Earth has been manipulated for over 5,700 years, that we deserved an opportunity to prove ourselves - to at least have a shot at proving the other part of the council wrong. [116]

Another contactee who mentions the Andromedans is ‘Adrian’ who was extensively interviewed by researcher Sean David Morton and found to be credible. Adrian’s testimony was supported by extensive photos, film and witness testimonies. [117] According to ‘Adrian’, the Andromedans play an important role in forming councils that deliberate on Earth’s future thereby independently confirming Collier’s testimony. The Andromedans are one of the main extraterrestrial races most responsible for crop circles. He argues that the crop circles are intended both to inspire humans with the possibility of extraterrestrial communications, and to warn negative extraterrestrials of the consequences of their actions to control and manipulate humanity.
The Andromedans’ chief activity appears to be facilitating decisions of the Galactic community in dealing with difficult problems such as the current Earth situation, innovative strategies for resolving conflict, the education of youth and inspiring humanity with the possibilities of extraterrestrial contact. The global solutions they promote include assisting the growth of psychic/crystal/rainbow children, peace education, exposing elite manipulation, promoting improved global governance, and diplomacy and conflict resolution.

Sirians from Sirius A
Now the next group of extraterrestrials are described as coming from Sirius which is a binary star system that allegedly harbours advanced life around its two main stars, Sirius A and B. Sirius A is a blue white star that is approximately 8.6 light years from Earth, twenty times brighter than the sun, and is the most brilliant star in the night sky. [118] In contrast, Sirius B is a white dwarf sun that ranges between 8 to 32 astronomical units from Sirius A in a highly elliptical orbit. Collier, describes the extraterrestrials from Sirius A as follows:
There is a race of beings on Sirius A; the humans there are called the Katayy. They are considered benevolent. … Many of the human races there are red-skinned. Their ancestry is some of the first Lyrans that escaped with the women and children during the war. In their oceans they have whales, octopus and sharks. They are a race that is artistic. They have music and are connected to nature. They are builders and not very political. Their governments are based on “spiritual technology,” which uses sound and colour. [119]
The racial characteristics of the Sirians suggest that they were originally colonists from Vega. If the Sirians were originally Vegans escaping some cataclysmic interplanetary war in the constellation of Lyra, then it might well be understandable how they developed an interest in building, since the building of a new civilization on new world in the relative young star system of Sirius A, would have been an urgent requirement.
Collier refers to the Sirians using sound and colour as a kind of ‘spiritual technology’ which suggests that they specialize in terraforming planets and making them suitable for the evolution of life by altering the ‘bio-magnetic energy’ grid. [120] The following telepathic communication provides more information on the Sirians as builders of new planetary structures in terms of altering the ‘bio-magnetic energy grid’ that assist the evolution of humans and other life forms:
They are the original builders of your grid, the architecture on which your planet was based. So therefore they are useful in discerning the sacred geometry and discerning the physical laws of your home world. They can help you also in constructing the new grid, in constructing a new system that is appropriate for your next challenges. So we would say that the Sirians are excellent allies in the strategic design work that lies ahead. [121]
Alex Collier claims that the intervention of the Sirians A is due to mistakes made by those from Sirius B in terms of technology transfers and other forms of assistance given to humanity:
“My understanding is that those from the Sirius A system are trying to be beneficial and assist, because they feel responsibility in that those who colonized Sirius B system were originally from Sirius A.” [122]
In conclusion, the main activity that can be attributed to those extraterrestrials from Sirius A is to assist in building a suitable ecological system for (human) evolution on Earth by altering the ‘bio-magnetic energy grid’ of the planet. Those from Sirius A can assist in global solutions such as environmental protection, promoting biodiversity, assist in consciousness raising; and evolution of the biosphere.
The Ummites are described as extraterrestrials from the planet Ummo which is claimed to be 14.6 light years away, and possibly located in the star system Wolf 424. [123] They played a significant role in disseminating scientific technical literature and objects through Spain and then relayed to the rest of Europe in the 1960s and 1970s from a hidden base near a small town in the French province of ‘Basses Alps’ (Lower Alps). The Ummites contacted a select number of individuals and distributed to them detailed technical information on different technologies and revolutionary theories that would expand scientific knowledge beyond the prevailing orthodoxies. The only physical contact the Ummites had with anybody, aside from phone calls and sending technical information by regular mail, was with a hired typist who described how he worked for and eventually discovered the identities of the Ummites:
Between 1967 and 1975 the members of the Madrid group [Spanish UFO researchers aware of the Ummites] received a letter from a man who claimed to be the Ummites´ typist. Apparently, he had advertised for work in a newspaper and had subsequently been visited by two tall, fair-haired respectable dressed men. They told him that they were Danish doctors and asked if he could type out scientific material for them on a regular basis. Initially all went well, until the day he read the following sentence: ´We come from a celestial body named Ummo which is 14.6 light years from the Earth. - He took this at its face value and questioned the doctors - eventually they admitted that they were not Danish doctors at all, but extra-terrestrial visitors. To prove their identity they produced a tiny sphere just an inch or so in diameter, which one of them placed in mid-air before the typist. He looked into it and to his amazement saw a scene that had taken place in that same office on the preceding day with his wife, fearing that the Danish doctors might be spies. [124]
There was however a well recorded public event in the form of an Ummo spacecraft that landed near Madrid on June 10, 1967 that was announced by the Ummites several days before to a select group of UFO researchers. [125] The Ummites approach appears to be one of helping scientists develop innovative technologies and theories that assist in addressing global problems that require technical solutions. In 1973, due to the uncertainty over a nuclear war on Earth, the Ummites terminated their residence on Earth and departed. They subsequently sent the following message in 1980 to Dr Antonio Ribera, one of the Spanish UFO researchers that had taken up their case:
For 30 years we have studied your science, your culture, history and civilizations all this information we have carried from your Earth to Ummo in our titanium crystals codified with data. We HAVE DEMONSTRATED to you our culture and our technology in purely descriptive form - so you cannot convert them or realize them practically. We have done this because we note with sadness that you employ your sciences primarily for war and the destruction of your own selves, which cont [inue] as your principal objective. You are like children playing with terrible and dangerous toys which will destroy you. WE CAN DO NOTHING! A cosmic law says that each world must take its own path, to survive or to perish. You have chosen the second. You are destroying your planet - annihilating your species, and contaminating your atmosphere and your seas until now this is irreversible. With sadness we contemplate your insanity, and understand that the remedy is only in yourselves. We can not look forward a great distance into your future because your psyche are completely unpredictable and capricious bordering on paranoia. As your elder brothers in this cosmos, we urgently desire with all our hearts your salvation. Do not destroy your beautiful blue planet, a rare atmospheric world that floats so majestically in space, so full of life. IT IS YOUR CHOICE. [126]
While it cannot be known exactly how influential the Ummites assistance has been since it was largely covert, it certainly appears to have been significant in sparking innovative scientific initiatives by range of technically competent professionals and private citizens. It can be concluded that the Ummites main activity lies in sharing technical information, transforming scientific culture, and global education. The Ummites can assist in global solutions surrounding the transformation of scientific paradigms, development of environmentally friendly technologies, and educational reform.
Alpha Centaurians
Another extraterrestrial race that appears to be playing a significant role in human affairs is from the Alpha Centauri star system. Alex Collier claims the Alpha Centaurians are one of the races visiting the Earth. [127] The most compelling testimony supporting the presence of the Alpha Centaurians is Elizabeth Klarer who had high level responsibities within the British military to monitor UFO reports. [128] Klarer was apparently contacted by the Alpha Centaurians and eventually taken to Alpha Centauri for a few months to have a child fathered by the Alpha Centaurian, Akon. Klarer’s description of the Alpha Centaurians gives a vivid account of how technology can be wisely used to benefit both humanity and the ecosystem. The Alpha Centaurians were argued to be benevolent and genuinely desiring to assist humanity in dealing with its evolution.
An alleged former employee of the covert Montauk and Philadelphia projects, Al Bielek, discussed a number of extraterrestrials including the Alpha Centaurians. Bielek’s testimony is perhaps one of the most bizarre and controversial cases in UFO research yet his testimony is coherent and consistent, and according to an independent investigator, John Quinn, Bielek is very credible and there is much evidence to support his claims. [129] The Alpha Centaurians, according to Bielek, apparently provide a form of sanctuary and protection to humans that desire assistance in dealing with the repressive polices of the shadow government. Bielek stated the nature of this agreement with the Alpha Centaurians in an interview:
AB [Al Bielek] .There are shuttles regularly from this planet to Alpha Centauri 4 which by agreement is a safe haven for people wanted by the U.S. Government. There´s a treaty. It takes about 12 hours to get there. Apparently they took all of their family which meant sisters, brothers, father, mother, whatever, with them. As far as I know they´re still there.
SS [questioner]: Who runs the shuttle?
AB: Presumably the Alpha Centauri Government, but I don´t know. But it´s on a regular basis twice a week. The landing point I have no idea where it is. Of course they guard its secret.
SS: What is their body form like?
AR: Alpha Centauri? Like humans, exactly the same. There´s a much lower population on their planet. They´re not overpopulated. They´re an advanced civilization, a little ahead of us - not a great deal, but somewhat ahead of us. They don´t like things like government head bashing and that sort of thing and the way they treat some of the government agents they no longer have any use for or whatever, if they are approached, and I don´t know how it´s done, if they are approached and asked for asylum, if they issue the card, you just get on the shuttle and that´s it, you´re there. Beyond that I don´t know. I haven´t seen them since. [130]
This role of providing sanctuary to humans threatened by the shadow government indicates that the Alpha Centaurians are very interested in social justice and helping in the transition of Earth towards a more trusting and nurturing global society. This is a theme elaborated upon in the following telepathic communication from an independent source: “Those from [Alpha] Centaurus have an open society, a trusting and loving one, so they would be useful to you as you begin to design the social rules for an alternative to a combative or competitive social structure.” [131] the main activity of the Alpha Centaurians can therefore be inferred as promoting social justice and human freedom, and the responsible use of advanced technology. The Global solutions that can be promoted by the Alpha Centaurians include social justice at a global level, creating zones or peace or peace sanctuaries, human rights and sustainable development.
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The final extraterrestrial race to be examined due to their significance are the Arcturians who are described as once having seeded the Earth with their members and presumably peacefully coexisted with other races. According to Andrews: “In antiquity this planet was divided into sectors among four different groups: Blonds, Grays, large lizard-like beings from the Capella system, and beings from the Arcturus system.” [132] Andrews goes on to describe the Arcturians as currently playing an observer role in the current battle between extraterrestrial groups over Earth and her population. Collier describes the Arcturians as also being one of the races interacting with the Earth and that they are “trying to help.” [133] According to the contactee ‘Adrian’, the Arcturians are the extraterrestrial race most responsible for crop circles. [134] He argues that the crop circles are intended both to inspire humans with the possibility of extraterrestrial communications, and to warn negative extraterrestrials of the consequences of their actions to control and manipulate humanity.
A more detailed description of the Arcturians is given by Collier:
This group of beings settled in the constellation of Arcturus. These races of humanity are very private, and for very specific reasons do they get involved with Earth. They think of themselves as healers. They carry a strong pride of technology in the arts of physical healing, and emotional and spiritual bodies. They have been known to intervene in the ancient past to help resolve very serious conflicts in our area of the Universe by sharing their unique ability to show others how to integrate their belief systems and feelings to resolve conflict. They can be very silent, and can and will keep very much to themselves. They as a group have done much to help raise the overall levels of consciousness in our Universe. [135]
Most information on the Arcturians comes from those claiming to have telepathically communicated with them. For example, Dr Norma Milanovich in her book, We, The Arcturians, describes her communication with the Arcturians through a form of computer aided automatic writing. [136] she claims the Arcturians are here to: … Assist Earth as it enters a New Age of spirituality. They cannot interfere with the free will or decision-making process of any Earthling, but are here to educate and help raise the vibrations of all who choose to journey to the new dimension the Earth is entering. [137]
The Arcturians are described as having a highly developed spiritual culture and technological sophistication that gives them great influence in the galaxy. Another individual who telepathically communicates with the Arcturians claims they have the following mission on Earth:
The Arcturians are the overall guides or administrators of the contact experience. They have a desire generally to see this go well. To see you learn as much as possible by this process and to assist you in any way they can. However, their affinity is to the future of the planet as a whole and they tend to have a hands-off approach as much as possible. They will tend to do the least amount of work for the greatest effect. You´ll find them to be efficient and quite creative in this. They may be useful to you in learning how to play, how to wait for the right timing, and how to do the very few important things that you must do to succeed. [138]
The Arcturians’ main activity therefore appears to be one of integrating spiritual values with advanced technologies, in providing strategic advice in transforming planetary systems, and inspiring humanity with the possibilities of extraterrestrial contact. The global solutions the Arcturians contribute to include transparent and accountable global governance; integrating global financial, political and societal systems; helping humanity coordinate effectively with all extraterrestrial races, and diplomacy and conflict resolution.

While there are a number of other extraterrestrial races who have been reported by whistleblowers and/or contactees, evidence points to the races examined above as having most significance for humanity. [139] the primary means of distinguishing the races above is the degree to which they participate in technology exchanges and joint projects with the shadow governments in the U.S. and elsewhere. Those races grouped into the first category are to varying degrees part of a military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex (MIEC) that secretly consumes vast resources through black budgets in the U.S. and elsewhere, and initiates covert projects that harm private citizens, developing nations, and the global environment. [140] In contrast, those extraterrestrial races outside of the MIEC have only minimal impact on human society since they are prevented from any large scale interaction due to the agreements that bind together the MIEC. These agreements are either exclusive as to which races can cooperate with shadow governments, or result in races outside the agreements adopting a non-intervention policy.
The systemic global problems caused by the MIEC are an increasing burden and immediate threat to human freedom and sovereignty. [141] Continuing with the current strategic response to the extraterrestrial presence by shadow governments, plays into the hands of those extraterrestrials who wish to deprive humanity of its sovereignty and freedom. The alternative is to work with those extraterrestrials outside the MIEC that appear to have the best interests of humanity at heart. Cooperating with extraterrestrial races outside of MIEC provides an important opportunity for those private citizens who are concerned about the secret agreements between government agencies and those extraterrestrial races who are part of the MIEC. Working with extraterrestrial races whose activities lie in the realm of human emancipation, consciousness raising and conflict resolution, provide important global solutions to the harmful effect of a vast MIEC that continues to remain clandestine, non-accountable, and unrepresentative. The opportunity to address the systemic global problems caused by almost 50 years of secret agreements with extraterrestrial races lies before each individual concerned about the future of humanity and the Earth. Private Citizens and small groups have the ability capacity to identify, find and cooperate with those extraterrestrial races that can assist in providing global solutions that lead to the liberation, consciousness raising and sovereignty of humanity. As individuals and small groups ponder the enormous challenges of working with extraterrestrial races outside of the MIEC, they might take comfort in the words of Margaret Mead: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it´s the only thing that ever has!"

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Although I believe originally from here,the Visitors have settled other planets.
But other systems? I thought that too far. But when I asked the source about the pilots of the flying black triangle,he responded that they were humanoids from "Sirius".
But if so,why has no one reported being abducted by one of the triangles??
The Greys may be Terrestrial after all.Someone keeps mentioning the Tau system because of that accursed Betty Hill Star Map and nothing else. The map was of our own solar system! But some astronomer glady matched it up to random stars until one fit approxiametely. You bought it!
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Ah STGeorge, I wondered when you would show up :)

ALL GREYS GENERAL The Greys are all, to some degree, influencing human history at this time. The nature of the Greys, especially the Zeta Reticuli and the short Greys, is that they do not have deep emotional feelings or compassion. They are very calculating, cold intellectuals and see humans as being inferior. They look at humans much the same way a farmer looks at his cows. They understand the passions and compassion of humans to the degree it is observable by them. But they do not have feelings. These aliens are on the equivalent human level of cannibals. They see human beings as an inferior species. They are carnivorous. The Zeta Reticuli Greys feed upon glandular secretions of humans and are quite capable of killing people for that secretion, or abducting humans and extracting the secretions for themselves. The genetic manipulation is one way that the aliens see as evolving and saving their dying race. In a sense, humans are suddenly the saviors of the souls of the aliens. But at least it is a way that humans may have an influence on the aliens. This is not the first time that a civilization has attempted to absorb an enemy rather than defeating it. While the enemy invader may assume that they are taking over, they are in fact being absorbed. The Tartars invaded Russia and within a hundred years were absorbed into Russian society.
PLEIADEANS HUMANLIKE Of the five, those from the Pleiades are entities who are distant relatives of humankind. They are related to and are the forefather race of the genetic creation of humankind. They are of a higher spiritual development than most people on earth at this time. They have a kinship towards humans, and are essentially the only aliens who can be trusted by humans. They have blonde hair and fair skin. They are allied with the Intergalactic Space Confederation. That doesn´t mean that all entities of human appearance in space craft can or should be trusted, for there are humans from this planet from various governments who are working for the Zeta Reticuli Greys. Some from the Pleiades are subordinates to the Greys, having been abducted as children or offspring of the abductees. They have been raised and trained by the Grays as servants. The humans from the Pleiades have made several earth contacts, but in recent times have suspended visitations to earth. The government was told that this was because of a space law that states that the destiny of a people shall not be interfered with unless it threatens themselves or others in the galaxy. If the threat of nuclear war became strong enough, these entities indicated that they might interfere, but only to the degree of reducing that threat. That could also set up a conflict between the Pleiadeans and the Zeta Grays, to whom a limited nuclear war is seen as beneficial. Since the humans have made an agreement and pact with the Zeta Greys, even though there were warnings by the Pleiadeans against this, there is now a "hands off" policy. The Pleiadeans feel that the humans have made their bed and now they must lie in it. It is not likely that humans will be rescued from planned events simply to make things easier for humans to overcome the masters they have agreed to work with.
The Pleiades star cluster is one of the jewels of the northern sky. To the unaided eye it appears as a lovely and tantalizing grouping of stars in the constellation of Taurus, while telescopic views reveal cluster stars surrounded by delicate blue wisps of dust-reflected starlight. To the X-ray telescopes on board the orbiting ROSAT observatory, the cluster also presents an impressive, but slightly altered, appearance. This false color image was produced from ROSAT observations by translating different X-ray energy bands to visual colors - the lowest energies are shown in red, medium in green, and highest energies in blue. (The green boxes mark the position of the seven brightest visual stars.) The Pleiades stars seen in X-rays have extremely hot, tenuous outer atmospheres called coronas and the range of colors corresponds to different coronal temperatures.
DRACO MOTHMEN TALL In the constellation of Draco, there is another race of entities which has in the past visited Earth. They are 8-foot-tall. dark, nocturnal aliens who appeared around graveyards and parks. They have red eyes that glow in the dark and wings to fly. They are referred to by us as Mothmen. They are also the source of legends of the past relating to gargoyles and Valkeries. Even some qualities of vampires have been taken from the qualities of this creature -- the ability to fly and nocturnal habits. The Mothmen have no particular influence on earth at this time other than as causing panic and a cause for curiosity. They are mostly hidden underground and do not wish to attract attention.
DEROS/TEROS UNDERGROUND There are also underground civilizations of non-humans that have been referred to as Deros and Teros. The Teros are more friendly and help keep the Deros, who are more demented, from having excessive power. They live underground in tunnels, cities and sometimes under the sea. Most of the legends of the past of leprechauns and trolls refer to these non-humans from the inner earth. The Deros are competitors with the Greys, but they have similar qualities and cannot be trusted.
Some people have been abducted by a UFO whether they know it or not. There is a blue ray which many aliens use during the abductions that captures people and beams them up into the ship. The action of being beamed into the ship with a blue ray actually suffocates the person, casing all oxygen to be sucked from the person´s cells, so that they hover near death for a moment. Upon arrival in the ship, they are revived by another ray that restores oxygen into the cells.
Abductions are of a quite cruel nature. Humans would not want to remember what happened in some of the clinical experimentation or examinations that occurred. The aliens have a vacuum tube that follows up through the rectum and around into the intestines, sucking out fecal matter, which they examine for purposes of their own research. They are looking at the kinds of food that was eaten and examining the effects on the person´s health. They implant chips through the nose, the back of the neck and the back of the head near the right ear during times when the subject is conscious, but in a state of mental and physical paralysis. The subject is not unconscious as if they were sedated.
The aliens have the ability to block the memory of the experience through the use of certain injections and drugs into specific areas of the brain. Zeta Greys abduct humans and use them for genetic experiments. They take the souls from those humans and put them in replicas and release them after having altered them to some degree. They may appear to be the same person and the soul is in fact the same, the body is new and certain aspects of the memory and personality have been altered slightly. The aliens create replica bodies into which souls are transplanted from one body into another. This has been portrayed on the television series War of the Worlds. This is a means by which these aliens snatch bodies and control people to make them their own. Much of this occurs in underground caverns. When people have disappeared for some time and then are released, there is a possibility that this has occurred to them. The aliens do not see this as cruel. It is simply their unusual culture. They have been abducting humans for centuries. They see the earth as a big farm and have been raising humans for their harvest. They often abduct them and take them back to their home planet to raise there as a form of animal husbandry.
Their main problem is with their cloning process. In the recloning, each copy of each copy of each copy weakens repeatedly so that they are, in effect, a dying race. This has stimulated their interest in creating a new being through genetic engineering, using human or some other source as a new genetic substance to reenergize the cloning process, or to create a merging of their own race with another.
Cattle Mutilations
A world-wide problem, cattle are killed and the body is left on the farm in various conditions. On studying the body, it has been found that the body has been totally drained of blood and that there has been no trace of blood found anywhere on the ground around the body. Various incisions would also be found on the body that were so clear cut that they would have had to have been done with some sort of laser technology that we didn´t have when the mutilations started (before 1970). Bones were also clearly cut with no bone fragments around the cut. The bodies would be missing various parts which had also shown to have been removed with accurate precision. UFOs have been linked with these mutilations since they have been sighted at the same time in the same area where the mutilated bodies have been found.
Mutilations are differentiated from accidental or predatory death for several reasons. Chief among them is the manner in which the flesh has been removed from the body. Cauterization (the fusing of tissue and blood vessels by heat or chemical means) seems to be typical of mutilations. Unlike animal attack, the flesh, adjoining the area where it has been removed, is smooth and clean as if cut with a searing or laser scalpel. As well, the areas chosen for removal are quite strange. Mainly the sexual, anterior digestive tract and sensory organs are affected.(No predator differentiates so precisely). Still, no tracks of any kind can be found around the mutilation site, except, sometimes, tripod marks. Also, no carrion eaters will touch the mutilated cow even though it has plenty of flesh still left to be eaten.
Colorado, Wyoming, Texas, Alabama, Puerto Rico, Canada, and as far away as South America, have been home to such mutilations. Speculation that it is the work of secret US government groups (paramilitary or spy) or Satanic cults therefore seem too far fetched. Surely the US government would have their own stock of cows for an experiment of this nature. Satanic cults would need to have enormous resources to carry out this type of operation throughout the world. Ranchers have witnessed strange, unmarked black helicopters fly over their herds where they will later find mutilated cattle. Some have even witnessed strange lights in the night sky previous to finding bodies.
Goverment Covert War
There is now a conflict between two factions within the government. One faction sees the necessity of working with the aliens to set up a One World government in which it sees itself as being the power behind the throne. The other faction sees the aliens as a threat to humanity and wishes to expose the information, let the public know and prevent the aliens from gaining control of the planet. Those who are collaborators with the aliens do not want the information released. They are continuing the cover-up out of fear that the people would blame them, consider them traitors and hold them responsible for all that is due to an alien presence. There was a time when these leaders realized that many humans were being sacrificed to feed the alien appetites. They had a choice of making a clean break with the aliens or at least of telling the people or of continuing the cover-up. They chose not to. The alien threat is the single major factor in the attempt to unify and harmonize nations of the earth. Many have been conditioned by the Book of Revelation into believing that they will be rescued, but for the most part people will not believe it, and will assume, it is in fact, one of the false prophet Biblical scenarios predicted before the actual Second Coming. There is a potential that during this next ten or twenty years the aliens and humans will clash in combat over domination of the earth. There is a potential that this could be covert, but it may become overt. The possibility of reconciliation is growing more remote as the aliens seem less ready to negotiate a situation in which coexistence can occur. It should not be ruled out, however. Pressures are now being put on the aliens which may lead to a more conciliatory stand.

Reptilians Heading This Way
The following information has been deemed unsuitable for the public and there have been and will be more killings to keep such information secret. There is a threat of an invasion by millions of reptilian aliens which have control of the Greys. There are smaller ships heading this way, but nothing compared in size to the small planetoid that is heading toward this planet, which is approximately the size of the state of Pennsylvania. It does not travel at above light speed as do other craft because it is so enormous and holds so many aliens. It passed near the planet in the early summer of 1989, dropped off some reptilian aliens and headed out to the Draco constellation. The timetable for the arrival back to earth is approximately 2020, depending on what may happen near Draco. The Hubble Telescopes primary mission is to track the return of the craft. Aliens are living at military bases at this time.
The aliens are attempting to move their entire planetary population from their dying planet as quickly as possible, prior to the arrival of the Draco reptilians. Presently, the assessment of those in the inner circles who are dealing with the alien invasion threat is that the Reptilians have every intention of ruling this planet. There are many who feel that the aliens have such a high technology that they cannot be defeated. The next potential scenario in relation to the expected invasion is the release by the government of the information relating to the Grays and their earth bases, but releasing it in such a way that is favorable to the government. Claims will be made that any other version is but that of troublemakers.
<06/24/97 Press Release - Airforce Has New Roswell Explanation
Roswell New Mexico -- What Roswell residents thought were hairless extraterrestrials who crashed to earth in July 1947 were just dummies used in 1950s parachuting experiments, according to a report the Air Force plans to release soon. The report will try to address complaints that a 1994 Air Force report, which explained alleged flying saucer debris as the remains of top-secret high-altitude balloons, did not explain away reported sightings of alien bodies. The new report, drafted by Air Force historian Capt. James McAndrew, will suggest that witnesses have confused the 1947 incident with late 1950s tests. It will say the so-called saucer crash victims were dummies dropped from the sky, said Philip Klass of Washington, D.C., publisher of Skeptics UFO Newsletter. News of this report came two weeks before the 50th anniversary celebration in Roswell (7/5/97), which attracted thousands of visitors. Klass, who spoke to McAndrew about the report, said: "He is inclined to believe that some stories told by some witnesses may be fundamentally honest attempts to recall what they saw, but they mistook dummies for extraterrestrials." Though the report has not been issued, it already is being scoffed at by researchers and others, who say it is far less than a bombshell putting the Roswell crash legend to rest. The report is based on Air Force records. "What it (the report) is going to do is undermine public belief in our government, because it is such a silly story," said Dean Crosbie, director of the International UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell. "It´s sad that officials think the masses of the public are unintelligent and can´t think. It´s almost insulting that officials actually believe the American public will fall for this kind of story." Charles Moore, a retired professor of physics at New Mexico Tech University in Socorro, said he read the draft report recently at an aeronautics conference in San Francisco, where he met McAndrew. Moore, who worked on a top secret 1947 project involving high-altitude balloons designed to detect Soviet nuclear tests, said he is inclined to believe the fuzzy memory theory and that the witness accounts are not reliable. "Very clearly, there were no dummies, no manned balloon flights (in 1947). We just carried instruments under the long-range detection program, what is now called Project Mogul, into the ... atmosphere," Moore said. "The Air Force has been very concerned about being responsive, and when our balloon activities were explained, people were very unhappy that the anecdotal stories about bodies hadn´t been accounted for." But Frank Kaufmann, 80, who was a civilian assigned to an intelligence unit at the then-Roswell Air Field in July 1947, says he knows what he saw, and they weren´t dummies.
Recently, Kaufmann recounted what he did see when he and several other intelligence officers investigated the impact site of a glowing object: The aliens "didn´t have any of these big eyes or horns or anything else or spiny fingers. They were very good-looking people, ash-colored faces and skin. About 5 feet 4, 5 feet 5. Eyes a little more pronounced, a little bit larger. Small ears, small nose. Fine features. Hairless. There were five. They had a very tight, almost a wet suit, silver colored. ... One was thrown out of the craft itself."[Image] Kaufmann said he has no doubt that his encounter occurred in July 1947. "The military can say whatever they want. I have no jurisdiction over them," Kaufmann said Thursday. "There´s not a doubt in my mind. I haven´t gone senile yet." Air Force spokesman Maj. Guy Thompson said the report is being "worked through channels" and that there is no firm release date. McAndrew, reached in Virginia, said he did not care to comment on his report at this time. But Klass, a UFO skeptic who believes many of those who claim to have witnessed something otherworldly in 1947 are spinning tall tales, said he would recommend the Air Force not release the report. "It is not a strong enough theory to try to explain some of the statements of the quote-unquote key witnesses," Klass said. "In my opinion, this report will not convince any flying saucer believers, and in fact, I suspect they will accuse the Air Force of trying to cover up and divert attention from the crashed saucer."
The Day After Roswell
Colonel Philip J. Corso, Retired, a member of President Eisenhower´s National Security Council and former head of the Foreign Technology Desk at the U.S. Army´s Research & Development department and by the likes of Senator Strom Thurmond. The statements he makes have amazing implications covering all aspects of our current society. Never mind a crashed saucer with dead aliens strewn around it. Corso has bigger news to release. He states that alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer crash in Roswell, New Mexico, in July 1947 led directly to the development of the integrated circuit chip, and laser and fiber optic technologies, among other marvels, and that he knows this because he was in charge of distributing the harvest. Curiously, Corso first learned of the Roswell incident when, on July 6, 1947, he saw one of the alien bodies, which was en route to Air Materiel Command in Ohio. Fourteen years later, as the newly appointed head of the Foreign Technology Desk in Army R&D at the Pentagon, he "inherited" a file cabinet filled with Roswell debris. He speaks of a "program" by which the debris and or its technologies were released to defense contractors.

Evidence of Grey Origins and Reasons for Human Abduction
Among the mysteries of modern ufology is the origin of the entities known as the Greys. These small beings are the most commonly observed entities reported by abductees aboard extraterrestrial craft, and are believed to be the ones most responsible for human abductions. There are many things that we do know about the Greys, derived mostly from abductee reports, but there is far more that we do not yet know or understand. Using the evidence at hand, including a collective of abductee reports and stolen government files, it is now possible to make accurate estimates of several aspects of the lives of the Greys, including physiological and mental aspects.
Current Theories:
The Majestic Twelve:
One of the currently held beliefs about the Greys is that they are connected somehow to the United States government, and that this intimate relationship has resulted in many of the technological leaps of the last fifty years made by military and government science, including the F-117 stealth fighter and B-2 stealth bomber, as well as a weapons systems known as Joshua, a ultrasonic weapon, of which a recently declassified research-wave study variant was displayed to the public. The theory goes something like this: A secret group within the government (known as the Majestic Twelve, or the Jason Society, or the Jason Scholars) has given the Greys several large tracts of land in the American Southwest, near the Four Corners area, on which to build large underground bases, know as DUMBs (Deep Underground Military Bases). From these locations, the Greys are able to abduct their targets with much more ease and less observability than they would otherwise be able to do, resulting from a closer location to the abduction sites, thus resulting in decreased flight time, which translates to less time available for detection by others.
This is known as the ´Alien-United States Government Technological Exchange Theory,´ and is currently popular, in varying degrees, among many researchers and others, who believe that the government is constantly lying about its involvement in the UFO phenomenon, and is keeping much information secret, while using disinformation tactics to make all eyewitnesses appear to be fooling. The disinformation appears in various forms, from government propaganda, lies about activities, and threats to silence witnesses, to the more vocal and outspoken of ´researchers´ who attempt to convince others that there is no UFO phenomenon, and no such thing as extraterrestrial life. These ´debunkers´ use any explanation, no matter how unlikely and impossible, to explain any and all sightings.
There are many documents and eyewitnesses currently available that directly and indirectly implicate the government in conspiracy after conspiracy, the least of which are the event at Roswell and the assassination of John F. Kennedy. These documents do tend to point towards a ´secret government,´ which controls much of what we perceive to be our benefactors. Congress, to the best of our knowledge, has not been deeply infiltrated, due to the fact that the members are elected by the people. This makes it possible for any involved officials to be voted out of office. It is possible, however, that various government agencies may set up these candidates and rig elections to gain Congressmen who favor their plans. Congress´s activities, however, do not appear to be suspect, except for the usual political logrolling and campaigning. State governments are also for the most part safe from very deep infiltration, due to the fact that the ´secret government´ must be a small group in order to remain secret. Taking over state governments would not only increase the chances of detection, due to an increase in the number of people directly involved, and the proportionate number of people indirectly involved, but also cause problems in the maintenance of the government. The number of people who have direct access to the leaders of such a group would increase exponentially as the number of leaders increase. This would have the effect of drastically increasing chances of accidental public knowledge of their existence. Thus, a ´secret government´ could function at its best on a nation level. The end result of such as large project would be: A population who, as a whole, tends to consider any who study this phenomenon, as well as most witnesses, as ´crackpots and lunatics´; A group of trained disinformation agents used to keep the public´s mind off of such matters; Relative security in operations that would otherwise be viewed with great mistrust. This would
be the precise effect wanted by this group, because its motives, as well as its actual operations would be hidden from the population in general, as well as to the rest of the government.
Beings of Light:
Another popular theory held by many involved in New Age philosophy is that the Greys are truly the benevolent race they claim to be, and that they are here to guide humanity into the next millennium with spiritual understanding of each other, in order to create a more perfect society. It also find support among those who claim to be in contact with the Greys, and claim to receive information about what they are doing, as well as why. This information, however, seems to be too much like propaganda as well as disinformation to the author. This theory holds that the Greys come from a society whose gene pool has become overly inbred or otherwise has become depleted. It is somewhat similar to the old science fiction scenario, with a dying Mars coming to Earth in order that they can survive.
This theory is much simpler, as well as much more direct in its thought process, than the one above, and is entertained more by various groups devoted to the spiritual and mental evolution of mankind. Supporters of this theory say that same Greys have spoken to them, and told them the reasons that they are here. According to these individuals and groups, the Greys are trying to help humanity save itself by saving the planet, because the death of Earth is soon to come, and tell of great storms, earthquakes, floods, volcanic eruptions, as well as war, pollution, famine, and starvation that is soon to sweep across the face of our planet. The Greys claim that they know these things will happen because they aren´t limited by time flowing in a single direction, but can move forwards and backwards though time. While they cannot stop it, they only want to prevent as much suffering as possible. While they are here, though, they could use some of our DNA, because their supply has been drastically reduced, for a reasons rarely told to the contactees who communicate to them.

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Analysis of Theories:
These theories both have their various sources, and both have evidence that supports one theory, while detracting from the other. The author´s personal views lean towards the first theory, due to several key points of evidence. Most of the evidence for the Grey-government conspiracy comes from sources within the government, and from careful observation and analysis of government activities over the past 50 years. The benevolent Grey belief comes directly from the Greys, who have implanted into their abductees´ minds certain instructions and ideas to give to society at various times, as they determine. Using the abductees as ´virtual recorders,´ the Greys claim that they are here to ´help humanity realize its potential,´ and to ´watch over humanity.´ The government files, on the other hand, claim the Greys are adept liars, and they are not to be trusted. This data comes from the few applicable documents gleamed from the military using the Freedom of Information Act, as well as former and current government workers who claim to have broken their oaths of silence and come forward to tell the truth. Admittedly, the government is also run by accomplished liars, so it is a choice of whether to believe a totally alien group, or to believe the US government (Many would have a difficult time with this, and the author is one of those).
If the Greys are telling the truth, then we have little to be worried about, except for our own government, and the occasional abduction in the middle of the night. If they are lying, then we are faced with a great dilemma: the people of the world are being manipulated without their knowledge by at least two forces, the Greys and at least one major world government, that of the United States.
Analysis of Reasons for Human Abductions:
From the various documents, informants, and abductee reports, we can postulate what the Greys are. There are many reports that can be found today, if one knows where to look: Some theorize that the Greys are descendants of modern humans from the future; others state that the Greys are a totally different lifeform not related to Terran humans. This document will hopefully finalize the various theories, and weed out those hypotheses that are deemed highly unlikely due to contradicting evidence and reports.
Abductions and Cloning:
First of all, the fact must be established that the Greys truly are clones. This is not a new theory, simply a modification of others that have been circulating for a while. There are several reasons why they appear to be clones, if one takes into account behavioral patterns and visual appearances, as deduced from abductee testimonies and other related reports. However, the most intriguing evidence is their abduction plans themselves, and not merely second- and third-hand reports from semi-reliable witnesses about ´tanks of human and alien body parts´ somewhere in the deserts of New Mexico.
The Greys are abducting human males and females for the purposes of extracting sperm, ova, and other samples of our genetic sequences for reasons unknown. There does appear to be an answer as to why they do so, if the relevant data is taken into consideration, as the reader shall soon see.
The Greys must be clones, and the best evidence is in the conduct of the abductions. One can extrapolate from the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle (which refers to quantum mechanics and the uncertainty of the location and momentum of an electron in an orbital) that genetic sequences break down and begin to have errors in the sequence after several generations of continuous cloning from clones, which is what many believe is occurring with the Greys. The result of cloning from clones, after several generation, is equivalent to inbreeding, where errors creep up in the code, so to speak, and eventually, clones are created that are unable to function, i.e., stillborn. This phenomenon is also likened to the recording of a audio or video cassette from another recording. As copies are made from copies, the overall quality decreases. This postulate can be extrapolated from the fact that the human DNA chain is very long, and contains much data. If the Greys have a similar genetic code, this hypothesis will still stand. Humans have great genetic variation, and mutations from one generation to the next increase the diversity. However, the mutations that are created generally don´t involve the function of major systems of the body. Sexual reproduction is also a buffer to radical mutations affecting the entire body in drastic ways from the norm. With clones, however, the mutations, while small individually, will be copied from one generation to another, and as the number of mutations build up, the greater the chance of a fatal mutation. The sheer complexity of the DNA molecule (in humans) makes it exceedingly difficult to keep tract of every bit of genetic code, and so errors will slip past investigations. There is another problem In this situation: While the Greys seem to be able to successfully cross-breed their genetic material with that of Terran humans, their actual knowledge of truly advanced genetic engineering concepts seems to be lacking. They are not able to manipulate their (or human) genetic code beyond that necessary for the mixing of the two type of replicating molecules. This implied that they either lost the knowledge somehow, or never had it in the first place. Either way, it appears what the Greys don´t have very much control over the genetic code of the hybrid created. Thus, cloning from clones creates a dilemma that is fatal to a species dependent on cloning as a method of survival. The way that they propagate is also the method of their death as a species.
However, it may be possible, with the genetic engineering techniques that the Greys seem to possess, to infuse viable DNA or other genetic material, suitably modified, into their own next generation of clones, thus creating hybrids and others much like those often reported by abductees. While some may say that if they have the technology to do all that, why not create the genetic materials they need and repair their genetic code themselves without resorting to abducting humans? The answer is very simple, and is a matter of economics: It is by far cheaper, energy- wise and time-wise, to ´harvest´ the DNA needed, rather that create the genetic materials themselves. Why spend energy and time building factories, setting codes of purity, as well as finding a source of raw materials for the creation of the replicating molecule, and then reconstructing an entire, functional molecule, when there is a planet of six billion humans which do the job themselves, naturally? The strategic location of underground bases could make this far more economically advantageous, but even a civilization that is FTL-capable, traveling from a distant star, would save time and energy as opposed to massive efforts create a replicating molecule from scratch. Thus, this theory would not only explain current abductions, but also past visitations as well, due to the premise that the abductions are for the purposes of harvesting DNA and other genetic materials for infusion into their own genetic code. There does appear to be a problem In this situation: While the Greys seem to be able to successfully cross-breed their genetic material with that of Terran humans, their actual knowledge of truly advanced genetic engineering concepts seems to be lacking. They are not able to manipulate their (or human) genetic code beyond that necessary for the mixing of the two type of replicating molecules. This implied that they either lost the knowledge somehow, or never had it in the first place. Either way, it appears what the Greys don´t have very much control over the genetic code of the hybrid created. The reason for this deduction comes from an analysis of the fact that abductions are occurring: If the Greys had advanced genetic engineering knowledge that they actively used to the extent that they appear to, then it would be plausible that they would be able to repair the errors in the genetic code as they appeared. This is contrary to the fact that abductions are occurring, and so other hypotheses must be made to account for this deviation from the expected.
One possible explanation is that the Greys do not do the genetic engineering themselves, but that the system is completely automated, with or without a supervisor. In this manner, the genetic engineering involved in combining both types of genetic code would be contained in a computer of some type, and would create a hybrid embryo from human ova or sperm, with the addition of Grey genetic material suitably modified to be compatible with Terran DNA. One possible method, which would explain the taking of both sperm and ova, would be the following scenario: The ova are modified only very slightly, to made sure of no compatibility problems with the new set of genetic code. The DNA from the human sperm is then removed, and replaced with the Grey genetic material modified to interact accordingly. The sperm is then allowed to combine with the ova, ´mixing´ the two gene patterns, and if the code is viable, the resultant embryo grows and divides. At a certain time, the embryo would be put into stasis, by freezing or by another means, for storage, and implanted into a human female mother for further development whenever convenient. This scenario would circumvent the apparent ´hole´ in the theory, and would explain why the Greys seem to have advanced genetic engineering technology at their disposal, yet be unable to repair errors in their genetic code, nor diversify their own code through such manipulation. They have either lost the knowledge sometime in the past, or simply used the knowledge that another civilization gave them, without understanding what exactly was going on.
Physical Appearances:
Other evidence comes from abductee reports on the physical appearance of the Greys. According to abductees and certain government informants, the following physical profile can be deduced about the Greys: The average height of 4 ft. to 4 ft. 6 in. for the ´doctors,´ or the leaders of the abductions, and 3 ft. to 3 ft. 6 in. for the workers or ´drones, with an overall humanoid shape. Their skin coloration is light grey to dark grey and appears to be non-porous. The head is proportionally large and an inverted triangular shape in the vertical plane. The rear skull area is large and rounded, and the eyes being large and slanted upwards toward the rear of the skull. The arms and legs appear to be very thin, with a neck that appears to be far to thin to support the weight of the head. There is no genitalia visible on the ones that appear to be male, nor is there a pubic bulge seen through the clothing. These reports seem to point to the same conclusion: The Greys are sterile mules, with no sexual organs. Descriptions of Grey bodies illustrate their sameness: very similar bodies, with only slight changes in proportions, and stylistic differences being observed in their heads. However, even without sexual organs, the Greys seem to have gender, and are not simply neuter. The genders, however, appear to be completely determined by the mind, with the bodies being identical almost identical. Abductees report that some Greys ´feel´ or ´seem´ feminine, while others are very masculine. This seems to point to a time of sex differentiation, which was bred out physically, leaving only the mental pattern to demonstrate the differences between males and females in the Grey social infrastructure. It should also be noted that female Greys are very rarely seen, and are reported to be sterile and incapable of giving birth to offspring. The males are the ones most commonly observed, and simple deduction will show that there is one scenario possible: the Grey females are few in number, and must be isolated for some reason, perhaps to prevent their loss or for genetic repositories. Nevertheless, because Greys cannot breed naturally, due to a lack of sexual organs, artificial methods must be incorporated into their society on a massive, if not simply large, scale to prevent their demise as a species.
Origins from Cetaceans:
Based on the evidence of their physical appearance, the following hypothesis can be made: The Greys are descended from a dolphin-like or cetacean-based life form. There are several reasons for this supposition. The answer can be found in the similarities between cetaceans and Greys, using physical and behavioral aspects.
Physical Aspects and Similarities:
First, let us examine the physical characteristics. The skin of a Grey is very similar to that of dolphins in texture, and in most cases, coloration. On Terra, cetaceans evolved legs and arms to function on land, but when they returned to the oceans, the arms and legs evolved into flippers and tails. X-ray analysis clearly show the residual appendages in modern day dolphins and whales as being comparable in skeletal structure to that of land-dwelling mammals in placement and types of bones. It is possible that the Greys evolved much like Terran dolphins did, but did not return to the oceans, but continued to develop as a land based mammal. Next is the skull shape: The Greys have a large rounded skull region area on the upper anterior and posterior sections of their skulls. An examination of the dolphin skull shows very similar large, rounded anterior and posterior areas. The eyes of Greys are described as large and black, with what appears to be a protective shielding covering the eye. Many Terran aquatic animals have developed protective outer eye shields for underwater use. It is possible that this is a left-over attribute from the Greys´ ocean origins which has not been bred out, perhaps due to several unknown advantages of the shield. Another factor is the dark coloration of this eye shield. It suggests an eye structure suited for a reduced light environment. In the oceans, this would be natural for a creature living underwater were the planet´s primary´s light does not penetrate very deep. The dark coloration would in indicative of eyes that absorb nearly all the light that enters it, creating the appearance of blackness. On Terra, dolphins and other cetaceans developed sonar ability as their primary navigational aid, and thus do not rely as much on sight while underwater.
Behavioral Aspects and Similarities
There are also several similarities in the behavior of Greys and dolphins. Terran dolphins use sonar both to navigate and stun prey and enemies. The stun affect is of particular interest in this case. Dolphins can emit very powerful and focused ultrasonic bursts from the anterior section of their skulls, from an organ knows as a ´melon´. This is used to stun prey and enemies, such as sharks and barracuda. There has been an excellent film created by a group of students while diving, illustrating of a group of dolphins utilizing this ability on a very large barracuda. The barracuda was swimming towards a group of very young dolphins. Four large adult dolphins turned so that there heads were directly aligned with the barracuda, and emitted a sustained ultrasonic burst. The effect on the barracuda was astounding. It literally froze, completely paralyzed in the water, and even the gills ceased to move. The dolphins stared at it for about thirty seconds, during which time the barracuda remained totally immobilized. As soon as they turned their heads away, the ultrasonic beam was no longer focused on the barracuda, whereas it fled at a very high rate of speed from the scene. Obviously, this beam was tightly focused, and required the dolphin´s head to be pointed directly at the target. The strength of the beam could be changed as well. When hunting, the ultrasound beam could be directed at small fish and amplified to lethal levels, causing instant death. Some cetacean researchers believe that this is also used when dolphins ram sharks. Autopsies of the shark corpses after a dolphin attack reveal the sharks internal organs have been visibly shattered. The beam can also be controlled so as to produce a stun effect, as in the case of the barracuda. The result was physical paralysis and disorientation. This phenomenon is very similar to the technique used by the Greys as an aid to telepathic control of abductees. The similarities are almost overwhelming. Nearly every abductee states that when they are abducted, they are paralyzed by the Greys, and become mentally disorientated. The most striking thing most recall is what is known as the ´Stare.´ This occurs when a Grey looks directly at an abductee, whereas the large, dark eyes capture the abductee´s attention immediately. Abductees then report being unable to move, and a feeling of great mental disorientation. On some rare occasions, abductees report a lessening of these effects when a Grey looked slightly away from them. This clearly indicates that the intensity of the effect was directly proportional to the direction or focus of the front portion of the Grey head. This evidence leads to the hypothesis that the Greys use a kind of ultrasonic sound beam in conjunction with telepathy to paralyze an abductee during an abduction.

The ´Stare" as abductees call it, is merely the positioning of the Grey´s anterior skull area, the projection area where the Grey equivalent to the cetacean ´melon´ is located, to achieve maximum beam concentration on the abductee. When the Grey looks away, the beam would naturally become less focused and the effect would diminish, just as it appears when the Grey is distracted momentarily. The description of the Grey´s head is usually large, triangular and rounded in front and back. This suggests a large and rounded rear and frontal brain lobe structure. This is exceedingly similar to the physical structure of a cetacean brain. It is the main difference between cetacean and human brains. This large rounding is thought to be an adaptation of the cetacean brain to handle the enormous data flow received from echo-location and other sound-based communications faculties. It should also be noted that on the rare occasions that abductees hear verbal sounds from Greys, it is described as high-pitched, sometimes chattering or staccato clicks or beeps. These are all similar to the air vocalizations of dolphins. While the brain structure of the Greys has remained basically constant, it can be assumed that the echo-location ability of the Greys would have been decreased or atrophied almost completely. After all, there is probably little use for echo-location is such a society, thus it could have been bred out of the species during cloning.
Origins of Greys:
Due to no knowledge at all of the origins of the Greys, either as simply evolved cetaceans, or as a cloned slave society, several possible avenues must be explored. A few that might be possible are simple evolution with later genetic self-manipulation or manipulation of cetaceans by an outside species. Since there is no evidence, albeit no data at all, any possible origins theory that can be developed should be judged as possibly faulty, until more data can be gathered.
Evolved Cetaceans:
A simple explanation for the origins of the Greys would be and evolutionary process similar to that of humans, but from a cetacean ancestor as opposed to a primate ancestor. At one point, instead of returning to the oceans, or perhaps leaving the oceans, cetacean simply evolved as a land-dweller, while retaining the vestigial features of it´s ancestors, much as humans still retain body hair, an appendix, and a group of fused tail bones. At another time, the species evolved more rapidly, created a technological base of fire (not possible underwater), and created a complex society. Some time later, the Greys either had a large accident or other event that severely degenerated its genetic pool, or decided that the random genetic mixing of sexual reproduction was inadequate for their society, and embarked on cloning as a means to overcome their problem. After a period of time, the knowledge of advanced genetics, as well as the technology needed to created more advanced versions of their genetic machines were somehow lost, and the result is a society that depends on its machines for species survival, but who cannot recreate the technology. This theory is supported by the reasons behind the abduction phenomenon, as is very streamlined, without involving other species as manipulators.
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The Masters:
Another of the theories possible begins with a cetacean life form evolved on another planet. Unlike Terran cetaceans, they did not return to the oceans, but were discovered and later altered and cloned by another species. This species (called the Masters for argument´s sakes), needed a source of slave labor, and thus searched for an intelligent lesser species that they could genetically manipulate in order to be used effectively. Arbitrarily assuming that this period of time was about one million years ago, the most evolved species at that time on Terra would have been dolphins and whales. This might also have been possible on another planet, where a similar species evolved instead of a primate-like organism. Under this theory, the cetacean ancestors of the Greys were taken and genetically altered into an upright, bipedal species capable of doing labor for the Masters. After a time, however, the Greys apparently rebelled, and are now on their own, using the technology of the Masters, but since they were created to simply operate them, and not to design them, their knowledge of the technology´s operation is lacking.
This theory would explain the lack of knowledge of genetics that the Greys seem to suffer from, and why they can´t simply make their own genetic code artificially more diverse. They are able to manipulate the technology, and use it to their advantage, but are unable to understand the actual theoretical aspects and operations behind the use of their equipment, thus resulting in a need for abduction of humans.
(Another possibility is the Grey´s may not be independent of their Masters, who may continue to control and manipulate the Greys for their own reasons. In this scenario, the Masters are often considered to be the Reptilians.--SW)
The final conclusions deduced from the evidence at hand is that the Greys were artificially developed either by persons or beings unknown, or by themselves, and that the Greys evolved from a cetacean-like life form on another world. A cetacean-like life form developed naturally on that planet, and either evolved naturally, or was accelerated in their evolution artificially though genetic engineering, and later cloning, which became their only form of reproduction. Because of the cloning, their genetic sequence degrades after each cloning of a clone, thus leading to the reason for the abduction of Terran humans, as a method of repairing the damage in their own DNA (or other genetic material), as well as adding new sequences to the cloning gene pool.

Alien Proceedures

Message #4430 "ParaNet Abduction Echo" (SENT)
Date: 23-Apr-93 20:17
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-- Aliens can be present with us in an invisible state and can make themselves only partially visible.
-- Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-known scoops and straight-line scars. These other marks include single punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, three- and four-fingered claw marks, and triangles of every possible sort.
-- Females abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems after their alien encounters, and sometimes these problems lead to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breasts and uterus, and to hysterectomies.
-- Aliens take body fluids from our necks, spines, blood veins, joints such as knees and wrists, and other places. They also inject unknown fluids into various parts of our bodies.
-- A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses they didn´t have before their encounters. These have led to surgery, debilitation, and even death from causes the doctors can´t identify.
-- Some abductees experience a degeneration of their mental, social, and spiritual well-being. Excessive behavior frequently erupts, such as drug abuse, alcoholism, overeating, and promiscuity. Strange obsessions develop and cause the disruption of normal life and the destruction of personal relationships.
-- Aliens show a great interest in adult sexuality, child sexuality, and in inflicting physical pain on abductees.
-- Abductees recall being instructed and trained by aliens. This training may be in the form of verbal or telepathic lessons, slide shows, or actual hands-on instruction in the operation of alien technology.
-- Abductees report being taken to facilities in which they encounter not only aliens but also normal-looking humans, sometimes in military uniforms, working with the alien captors.
-- Abductees often encounter more than one sort of alien during an experience, not just the grays. Every possible combination of gray, reptoid, insectoid, blond, and widow´s peak have been seen during single abductions, aboard the same craft or in the same facility.
-- Abductees--"virgin" cases--report being taken to underground facilities where they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries of hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of colored liquid filled with parts of human bodies.
-- Abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being drained of blood, being mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and being stacked, lifeless, like cords of wood. Some abductees have been threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if they don´t cooperate with their alien captors.
-- Aliens come into homes and temporarily remove young children, leaving their distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a parent has been able to protest, the aliens insist that "The children belong to us."
-- Aliens have forced their human abductees to have sexual intercourse with aliens and even with other abductees while groups of aliens observe these performances. In such encounters, the aliens have sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain the cooperation of the abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, the Pope, certain celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the abductees.
-- Children abductees sometimes show a new and obsessive interest in their own genitalia after alien encounters, saying that their abductors who come at night have been touching these parts of their bodies.
-- Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures on abductees, saying that these acts are necessary but giving no explanation why. Abductees´ eyes are painfully removed from the sockets, allowing the aliens to scrape the area or implant devices into the area before the eyeballs are replaced, for instance. Some abductees are subjected to painful constrictions, often around the head, chest and extremities. Painful genitalia and anal probes are performed, on children as well as adults.
-- Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction. They say that a certain number of humans- -and the number varies dramatically from case to case--will be "rescued" from the planet in order to continue the species, either on another planet or back on earth after the destruction is over. Many abductees report that they don´t believe their alien captors and foresee instead a much more sinister use of the "rescued" humans.
In every instance from this list, there are multiple reports from unrelated cases, confirming that such bizarre details are not the product of a single deranged mind. These details are convincing evidence that, contrary to the claims of many UFO researchers, the abduction experience isn´t limited to a uniform pattern of events. This phenomenon simply can´t be explained in terms of cross-breeding experiments or scientific research into the human physiology.
And it becomes clear from these details that the beings who are doing such things can´t be seen as spiritually enlightened, with the best interest of the human race in mind. Something else is going on, something far more painful and frightening, in many, many abduction encounters.
There is a theory current in ufological research that says abductees who perceive their experiences in a negative way only do so because they themselves aren´t spiritually or psychically advanced. Persons with higher cosmic development have positive alien encounters, so the theory goes, and those who have painful or frightening experiences are merely spiritual Neanderthals. This is a pet theory of researchers who claim that aliens, whether objectively real or not, serve as "mirrors" of our spiritual nature, on an individual or a species-wide basis. Strieber has voiced this theory, for instance, in Majestic, where he says, "In the eyes of the others [the aliens], we who met them saw ourselves. And there were demons there."
Aliens in the Ancient World

Aliens in the Ancient World
On July 11, 1991, an unidentified flying object was sighted by thousands of people in Mexico City during a solar eclipse. Labeled as the largest mass UFO sighting in history, the event was captured by hundreds of people who pointed their camcorders at the eclipse. The event, which gained extensive media coverage in Mexico, was even used for the top story of Mexico´s version of "60 Minutes." Since so many people had seen the strange aircraft hovering in the sky and hundreds of hours of film footage of the craft was recorded, there is an extremely high chance that advanced alien cultures are really visiting the earth. Therefore, if advanced alien civilizations are visiting us now, is there a possibility that they could have visited the earth thousands of years ago? According to a few clues scattered throughout the world, alien beings could have very likely visited the earth long ago. One clue of an ancient alien visitation is found in paintings from ancient cultures that depict strange humanoid creatures. In addition, physical evidence of an ancient alien vistation is seen in artifacts from around the world that show a use of modern technology. Furthermore, ancient markings made on fields, which indicate the use of air travel, are another set of clues that show the earth could have been visited by aliens long ago.
The most obvious clues to an extraterrestrial visit long ago are found in the drawings of ancient cultures. One such drawing is located inside a cave in Kimberly Mountain, a peak on the western side of Australia. Haunting the surface of the cave walls are paintings of several beings with round heads and huge black eyes. Calling the figures in the paintings the Wondjina, the Aborigines consider the beings extremely sacred. The Wondjina, originally drawn in some period between ten thousand to thirty thousand years ago, bear little resemblance to any known earth creature. However, the Wondjina slightly resemble the gray type of aliens reported today by alleged alien abductees. The Wondjina and the Grays look similiar because they both have large, black eyes and a pear-shaped head. Therefore, it is possible that the Wondjina are actually aliens seen by the Aborigines a long time ago. In the Sahara desert, another strange figure painted on the wall of a cave, the "Great Martian God", is located in the Tassili mountains. It was called the "Great Martian God" because it resembled Martians found in comic books. Discovered by Henri Lhote on an expedition after World War II into the mountains, the Martian, along with similiar nearby drawings depicting space men are drawn in a much larger scale than the nearby drawings of people, animals, and ones of Egyptian influence.
John Michell writes in his book, The Flying Saucer Vision: The Holy Grail Restored, that the most striking feature of the Martian and the similiar figures were their round, inhuman heads. Michell describes the beings´ heads as if "they are wearing some sort of globular helmet like a diver´s." A helmet, a necessity for human space explorers to walk in space, would come in handy for an alien space traveler. Space travel, by the way, is a part of a Hopi legend; the Hopi are a once pueblo-building Native American culture living in Arizona and New Mexico. One of their petroglyphs, called the "Star- blower", tells a story of how the Hopi´s ancestors had visited various worlds and traveled through endless space before reaching Earth. The petroglyph, containing several strange, unearthly figures, are very inexplicable to understand for people outside the tribe. Although the Hopi leaders are reluctant to share the details of the legend, the petroglyphs, nevertheless, show strange, possibly alien, beings performing an extraordinary ritual. The paintings of ancient cultures are not the only evidence of a potential extraterrestrial visit in the past; artifacts also give clues about a possible ancient visit by aliens.
According to Webster´s New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, the term artifact means "any object made by man, especially with a view to subsequent use." Several ancient artifacts found around the world appear to have been inspired by modern technology. For example, a small, toy-like, gold artifact, found in a thousand year old tomb in Columbia, was first thought to be a type of insect or a flat fish. However, Dr. Ivan Sanderson, a scientist from the United States, studied the object and said it looked too mechanical, like an airplane, to be a natural object. J.A. Ulrich, an expert on aircraft, also looked at the object and admitted that it closely resembled a Swedish SAAB jet. Since the first self-propelled, heavier-than-air craft was not invented until 1903 in North Carolina, a thousand year old jet in South America seems not possible. However, the people in Columbia could have seen a jet constructed by a highly advanced civilization, possibly an alien civilization.
A similiar model aircraft was found in 1898 at an Egyptian tomb near Sakkara. Labeled as a bird, the wooden object was not studied extensively until 1969 by Dr. Khahil Messiha. The object´s well engineered proportions and aerodynamic shape, according to aircraft engineers, are ideal enough for it to fly. Again, the Egyptians, like the ancient Colombian culture, could have been influenced by a technologically advanced alien society. Yet another artifact was found on a Stone Age man´s neck in Ecuador. On the corpse´s neck, a stone amulet shows a man standing on top of a sphere while the sun shines in the backdrop. Erich von Däniken writes in his book, In Search of Ancient Gods: My Pictorial Evidence for the Impossible, that the amulet is remarkable because pre-Inca tribes had the knowledge that they had lived on a sphere. Since it is hard to imagine a prehistoric tribe knowing about the earth´s true shape, there may be a possibility that an alien culture, with a method of seeing the earth in outer space, could have shared this knowledge with the tribes. If ancient human cultures were indeed visited by extraterrestrials and unearthly spacecraft, it is possible that the people may have tried to contact the beings in the aircraft with symbols on the ground.
More evidence of an ancient alien visit lies on the surface of the earth. On the plain of Nasca, south of Lima, Peru, a series of straight, parallel lines run across for miles and appear from the air to be an ancient landing ground for aircraft. According to writer Thomas Michell, the lines are extremely difficult to be seen from the ground. "It is impossible that men without aeroplanes could ever have seen them, for even from an elevation of a few hundred feet they are invisible." Since air strips were not needed until the twentieth century, the lines, assuming the pre-Inca cultures used them for landing purposes, could have been used by the aircraft of a highly advanced alien race. Also on the Nasca plain, large drawings of birds, monkeys, lizards, and insects have been sighted from high altitudes. Again, these land carvings were constructed by people of a time from around possibly fifteen centuries ago, before the formation of the Inca empire. Covering an area of sixty miles, these figures next to the mysterious lines can only be seen best from the sky. Charles Berlitz points out in his book, Mysteries From Forgotten Worlds, that the message in these prehistoric drawings "finds an echo in an ancient Peruvian tradition in a legend about the goddess Orejona landing in a great ship from the skies"; the goddess Orejona, in other words, could be interpreted as an alien being landing in its spacecraft.
Other land creations around the world also must be seen from the sky in order to make them out. For example, Dragon Hill, a round and flat, artificial mound in England, is accompanied by several chalk figures including one called the Berkshire White Horse. Like the Nasca figures in South America, the White Horse and neighboring British land markings were not only built by an ancient culture but were meant to be seen from high altitudes. Since these figures can only be seen from the sky and couldn´t have been seen by the prehistoric technology, it is possible that the early inhabitants of Great Britain knew of a culture, possibly an alien culture, who had the technology to see these drawings carved into the earth. The ancient land markings, like the old paintings and artifacts, also show that the earth could have been visited by extraterrestrial life.
As archaeologists continue to find more strange remains of ancient cultures, they may discover an important lost part of human history. Since UFOs are reported frequently in the twentieth century, they could have been also reported thousands of years ago. With clues like ancient paintings showing strange beings, old artifacts displaying modern day technology, and prehistoric land carvings waiting to be seen from the sky, there is a possibility that the ancient world could have been influenced by an advanced alien civilization.
Alien Moon Base

Is there an "Alien Base" on the Moon. More and more people are coming forward with stories of an Alien presence on the Moon. Rumors say that there is an Alien Moon Base on the far side of the moon, the side we never see from Earth.
Did you ever wonder why the Moon landings stopped and why we have not tried to build a Moon Base? It does seem like a better and easier idea than a floating space station with no access to any raw materials or supplies? According to the NASA Astronaut Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the Moon and told us in no uncertain terms to get off and stay off the Moon!
Sound far fetched? Milton Cooper a Naval Intelligence Officer tell us that not only does the Alien Moon Base exist but the U.S. Naval Intelligence Community refers to the Alien Moon Base as "Luna", that there is a huge mining operation going on there, and that is where the Aliens keep their huge mother ships while the trips to Earth are made in smaller "flying saucers".
LUNA: The Alien base on the far side of the Moon. It was seen and filmed by the Apollo Astronauts. A base, a mining operation using very large machines, and the very large alien craft described in sighting reports as mother ships exist there. - Milton Cooper
Did Apollo 11 Encounter UFOs on the Moon? from the Book "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good
According to hitherto unconfirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a carter during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard.
According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA´s broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange:
NASA: What´s there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11... Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn´t believe it! I´m telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They´re on the Moon watching us!
In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA," he revealed, "but nobody has talked about it until now."
Soviet scientists were allegedly the first to confirm the incident. "According to our information, the encounter was reported immediately after the landing of the module," said Dr. Vladimir Azhazha, a physicist and Professor of Mathematics at Moscow University. "Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But his message was never heard by the public - because NASA censored it. "According to another Soviet scientist, Dr. Aleksandr Kazantsev, Buss Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside. Dr. Azhazha claims that the UFOs departed minutes after the astronauts came out on to the lunar surface.
Maurice Chatelain also confirmed that Apollo 11´s radio transmissions were interrupted on several occasions in order to hide the news from the public. Before dismissing Chatelain´s sensational claims, it is worth noting his impressive background in the aerospace industry and space program. His first job after moving from France was as an electronics engineer with Convair, specializing in telecommunications, telemetry and radar. In 1959 he was in charge of an electromagnetic research group, developing new radar and telecommunications systems for Ryan. One of his eleven patents was an automaticãflights to the Moon. Later, at North American Aviation, Chatelain was offered the job of designing and building the Apollo communications and data-processing systems.
Chatelain claims that "all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence." He goes on to say:
"I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name ´Santa Claus´ to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the general public. It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: ´PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.´ Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words." Rumors persist. NASA may well be a civilian agency, but many of its programs are funded by the defense budget and most of the astronauts are subject to military security regulations. Apart from the fact that the National Security Agency screens all films and probably radio communications as well. We have the statements by Otto Binder, Dr. Garry Henderson and Maurice Chatelain that the astronauts were under strict orders not to discuss their sightings. And Gordon Cooper has testified to a United Nations committee that one of the astronauts actually witnessed a UFO on the ground. If there is no secrecy, why has this sighting not been made public?
A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.
Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11? Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off!(by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city. Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?
Armstrong: I can´t go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.
Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?
Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn´t risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.
Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up.
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The U.S. government has a close working relationship with
alien beings, three unnamed witnesses told a California
radio station in a program aired in June.
The four-hour program, produced and broadcast by KPFA-FM
in Berkeley, Calif., ranged widely over the UFO topic, but
the most explosive segments were the testimony of a
construction contractor who said he saw aliens at Edwards
Air Force Base and at the China Lake Naval Weapons facility
in California; the testimony of a man who described
"saucers" being launched from a Northrop facility near
Edwards; and a woman´s second-hand account of a meeting
between aliens and U.S. military officers.
Moreover, it now appears that KPFA´s voice in the
UFO area has been silenced. Although in June the program
producer Ralph Steiner promised additional coverage of the
UFO issue in future broadcasts, inquires from the Forum were
met with this blunt message from Mr. Steiner: "Do not re-
broadcast the tape. Persons whose testimony is on the tape
have been threatened and their lives are in danger."
Subsequent inquiries from The Forum to Mr. Steiner have gone
The Forum has obtained a tape of the KPFA broadcast. What
follows is a summary and excerpts from witness No. 1. The
testimony of witness No. 2 and No. 3 will be discussed in
Part Two of this article next issue.
According to the KPFA broadcast, the interviews were
conducted in April 1991 in communities surrounding Edwards
Air Force Base in the Antelope Valley of Southern
California. Witness No. 1 described himself as a Vietnam
veteran, former Green Beret, military medal-holder, and a
licensed general contractor who has worked on construction
projects at Chuna Lake and at Nellis, Scott, Edwards, and
Andrews Air Force Bases. The projects, the witness said,
were "mostly underground."
* Underground Structures, Alien Beings
Each of these facilities has extensive underground
installations, and they are "definitely not normal
military structures," the witness said. He described
4-foot thick concrete walls and electronically-con-trolled
oval-shaped doorways.
"In one building I worked on at Edwards, called Haystack
Buttes, it took us over 5 minutes to get from the top to the
bottom by elevator," the witness said. "We estimated it was
30 stories deep." It was here that the witness first saw an
alien. "We were walking down a hall," the witness said,
"and these doors opened and there was a very particular
person or things that caught my eye for an instant. This man
was over seven feet tall. I´d say between 8 and 9 to 10
feet, wearing a lab jacket and talking to two [human]
"This man´s arms were almost down to his knees! It threw
me into shock," the witness said. "And then the doors
closed. Security saw us and told us to get out of there.
Next day I walked off the job," the witness said.
Asked if the being he saw was a human, the witness
replied, "Definitely not. He had big slanted eyes. A big
head. Fingers were extremely long. Greenish skin." The
witness said he saw the being for "just a couple of seconds.
Three-quarters of its face is what I saw and I said, this
guy would make a hell of a basketball player!"
* One Witness Scared, the Other Dead
The witness said his co-worker " ´bout died" when he too saw
the being. The witness compared the height of the being to
the height of the humans standing next to it. He said he
knew one of the humans, whose height he estimated at 6 feet
6 inches.
Witness No. 1 described a second encounter with aliens. He
said he and co-workers saw "greys" at the China Lake naval
"They [security] thought we had left--me and two other
guys. But we decided to stay over and finish this job. We
walked past a hangar and we could see through a window," the
witness said.
"One of the guys I was with, Paul, he saw them first. He
said, ´Come here! Hurry up! I want to show you something!´
And we looked in the window and there´s these four little
grey guys about 3 feet tall.
"Right then, security saw us and they told us, ´We
thought you guys left.´ And they escorted us and said,
´You´re not allowed around this hangar. This hangar is off-
limits to everybody. You´ll get yourself shot.´
"And it messed with Paul´s mind so much that every chance
he got he snuck over there. He finally got caught and was
kicked off the base. About three months later they found him
mysteriously dead in Orange County. This kinda put a scare
in me. I know why not to mess with something," the witness
"After that I said, Ain´t nobody pulling the blanket over
my head any more. l know what´s going on now. l know what I
saw at Edwards is real. Somebody´s playing games with us,"
the witness said.
It should be noted that KPFA is one of five "Pacifica"
stations, the first of which was founded in the late 1940s.
The Pacifica stations, in New York, berkeley, Los Angeles,
Fresno, and Washington, D.C., are alternative, non-
commercial and listener-sponsored, with a long tradition of
political activism and precedent-making First Amendment
The Phobos II Incident Hostile Aliens Based On Mars

The Phobos II Incident Hostile Aliens Based On Mars
On July 12, 1988 the USSR launched Phobos II an unmanned satellite to Mars. It arrived in January 1989 and entered an orbit around Mars as the first phase towards it´s real destination, a small Martian moon called Phobos. The mission was flawless until the craft aligned itself with the moon. On March 28, 1989 an elliptical object was detect moving towards the satellite seconds before it failed. All indications were that the elliptical object had attacked the satellite which was now dead and left spinning out of control.
On March 28, 1989 Tass, the official Soviet news agency stated: "Phobos II failed to communicate with Earth as scheduled after completing and operation yesterday around the Martian moon Phobos. Scientists at mission control have been unable to establish stable radio contact."
But the next day a top official of the Soviet Space Agency (Glavkosmos) said: "Phobos II is 99% lost for good." It is important to note that he stated the entire satellite was gone and not just contact with it.
On March 31, 1989 Headlines dispatched by the Moscow correspondents of the European News Agency (EFE) stated: "Phobos 2 Captured Strange Photos of Mars Before Losing Contact With It´s Base. Vremya revealed yesterday that the space probe Phobos II, which was orbiting above Mars when Soviet scientists lost contact with it on Monday, had photographed an UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT on the Martian surface seconds before losing contact." Scientists described the UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT as a thin ellipse 20 KILOMETERS LONG! It was further stated that the photos could not be an illusion because it was captured by 2 different color cameras as well as cameras taking infrared shots.
One controller at the Kaliningrad control center concluded that the probe was now spinning out of control. It would seem that something struck or shot the Phobos II Probe.
In the October 19, 1989 issue of Nature Magazine, Soviet scientists concluded that the craft could be spinning because it was impacted.
It has long been rumored that Mars and it´s moon Phobos are alien colonies. The surface of Mars is covered with strange shapes/buildings that do not appear to be natural such as the pyramids, square buildings, runways, etc. etc. One structure shows the face of a man with a helmet looking into space. It can be seen at the National Space Science Data Center, Viking photo with catalog number 76-A-593/17384 Titled "HEAD" . Another photo is 070-A-13. There are now eleven Viking photographs of this obviously intelligently constructed monument on the surface of Mars. The "HEAD" and other artificial features such as the pyramids an electrical engineer and imaging specialist Vincent DiPietro and a Lockheed computer scientist combined the original photographs and combined them to get a more accurate composite images. The clearer images show that the features on the surface of Mars had been artificially sculpted...WE ARE NOT ALONE!
Grey Aliens

Grey Aliens
This is the most commonly identified alien race in UFOlogy. Their are many different views, stories and theories regarding them ranging from the different New Age views to the different Scientific, and conspiracy views.
Greys as presented by the Scientific Community:
The Greys are the most commonly described race by abduction victims. In this view they are considered a race with an unknown motives, and agendas. They seem to be abducting, studying, testing and using various individuals for their one unclear reasons. [See: Abductions]
Greys as presented by the New Age Movement:
In the new age movement the Greys are often associated as an evil race, or a race with bad energy. They are often associated with many other races, such as the Reptoids and their motives are known.
Greys as presented by Different Conspiracy Theories:
The different conspiracy theories are often a mix of the scientific and new age views. The standard conspiracy base states that the Greys crashed one or more of their space ships and they were found by the U.S. Government. The Government then makes a secret treaty with the Greys allowing them to abduct humans in exchange for their technology. The conspiracy theories often end with the Greys not keeping their part of the deal.
Types of Greys
Their are descriptions of several types of Greys: they are all humanoid in appearance, a head, main body, two arms, hands, legs, and feet. All tend to appear greyish in color and for this reason are referred to as "greys."
Grey- Type A
Grey- Type B
Grey- Type C
The most commonly seen grey is around two to four feet tall, very slender and delicate looking, small beings and light weight, extremely penetrating black slanted eyes with no pupils, almost vestigial mouth and nose, a very large head with a pointed chin. The skin color varies from dark grey to light grey, tan to tanish grey, white to pale white. They have no hair on their bodies.
Another commonly seen Grey is described similarly as above, except their usually six inches taller, and seem to give the orders. A variation of this same described individual is: same as above except eyes like big black buttons and are rounded.
Another type of Grey are the small robot like beings, stocky and little, with smooth rounded hat on top, with dark deep set holes for eyes and a round O shaped mouth, square breastplate with concentric circles on it, smell like burnt match heads, mushroom grey skin. These Greys are often said to act like security guards. Other variations are described as Reptilian like with claws and preying mantis like.
There have also been many report of cross breeds that are not exactly human and not exactly Greys.
Greys: Type A
This is the type most commonly referred to as the greys. Also known as Zeta Reticuli from the Zeta Reticulan star system (the Bernard star) neighboring the Orion area. They function in a mode that is apparently military in nature with a rigidly defined social structure that holds science and "conquering worlds" to be the prime movers. They are normally about 4.5 ft tall with large heads and black "wrap around" eyes. They have limited facial features, slit mouth and no nose to speak of. They have evolved beyond the need for reproductive systems or digestive systems and reproduce by cloning.
Their genetics are partly based on insectoidal genetics. Their science deals largely with the study of other life forms and genetic engineering. They have supposedly had a part to play in the alteration of human genetics over thousands of years. It seems that they may be trying to cross breed with humans in order to create a "mixture race" that would be better than either. (I´ve read that they are a dying species, that have cloned so much that now, with each successive cloning, the species grows weaker. They are trying to infuse new life into their species by creating the mixed breed.)
There seem to be two main social classes. One is the more hawkish and is more abrupt, crude and blunt. The more dove-like ones are more refined and capable of a more business-like behavior towards humans, and prefer to use more "diplomatic" behavior to gain control over human´s. This type of Grey is what I believe is being referred to as the "Orange" class of Greys.
They seem to be emotionless (by human standards) and therefore are seen as cruel in their treatment of human beings. They are able to take human lives without any regard for that individual. They apparently can use certain substances of the human body for their sustenance and therefore appear to be carnivorous in regards to humans. (I also read that they extract fluid from some part of the human brain during intense emotional response [fear] and are able to use it like a recreational drug.)
It is understood that these greys are actually servants to a master race of reptilian-type aliens and are trying to prepare the earth for their arrival by gaining control over the earth through many means. They tend to enjoy the feeling of freedom they have on earth, away from their masters and would desire the help of humans in confrontations with the reptilians...which appears to be a consideration for the near future (mid 90´s.)
These greys have their best known bases in New Mexico and Nevada but are also known to have bases in many countries of the world.
Greys: Type B
Tall Greys from Orion. Usually about 7 to 8 ft. tall (reports often exaggerate their height as being 9 to 12 ft.) with facial feature somewhat similar to grey type A with the exception of the large nose found on type B greys. These greys also have technologies that allow them to perform certain actions that appear "miraculous." These greys are less viscous towards humans than type A greys (but are still considered "hostile".) They tend to influence more through political controls and negotiated agreements with those in power. Their main bases seem to be in the Aleutian Islands.
These are the type seen not long ago in Eastern Russia.
Greys: Type C
These are the shortest of the greys and tend to be about 3.5 ft. tall. Their facial features are very similar to the Zeta Reticuli greys and are of the same "root race.". They are just as hostile to humans as the Zetas. They are from a star system near the shoulder of Orion called Bellatrax.

RV-ing the Grey Collective
I recently came across an interesting volume titled COSMIC VOYAGE, by Mr. Courtney M. Brown, Ph.D. This work deals with the authors´ personal experiments with remote viewing, along with his trainer, a former remote viewer for the U.S. Military who taught him the secret military RV techniques.
From my own perspective, remote viewing operates through the subspace body of a human being who is able to tap-in to the universal psionic field. Since the psionic field is the very foundation of all space-time-material reality, the so-called " master program" of the universe, it is not necessarily bound by the limits of space, time and matter. Like a bio-chemical radio transceiver, some individuals -- for better or for worse -- have the ability to "tune-in" to and "surf" the universal consciousness, the "flowline", or the Akasha memory matrix, to specific places in space and time. One of the "targets" which Mr. Brown´s military RV trainer sent him to was the Grey aliens´ collective mind.
Shortly after this particular experiment began (one of many), Brown found himself in an area where several Greys were working, although he did not know exactly where this was. He "followed" the collective mind and found it to be absolutely massive, giving him the feeling of something unbounded, and almost universal in nature. However, he did detect a center, a definite "heartbeat" of this collective matrix, into which and out from which a steady stream of information was flowing.
He noticed, at one point, an unusual "subspace" being that seemed to be directing the activities of the Greys he was observing, and discovered that the bodies of the Greys themselves were incarnated by such "subspace" beings which entered the Greys´ embryonic bodies and used them as vessels to manipulate physical reality.
Brown was then instructed to locate other of these beings who apparently controlled the Grey collective from a subspace level, and found himself in an area where several of these subspace or paraphysical entities were located. As he continued towards this "center" the number of subspace beings increased until he came to a place of much activity, something like a grand central station type of area, where these beings were very active in various pursuits. He did not know exactly where this was, but noticed that the closer he came to the control "center" the more he sensed a rigid atmosphere of absolute military-like control. He came to what he sensed was the central governing center of the subspace beings´ activity, and in the center of this there was another area where a "council of 10" very high-level subspace beings congregated. These were apparently the governing principalities who were engaged running the whole operation. The security here was absolutely incredible.
Then he perceived the SUPREME LEADER of this council of 10 subspace entities...and at about this point Courtney Brown was jerked back into his body, so to speak. He sensed that this leader had detected the presence of his subspace body, and had followed this RV "intruder" back to his physical source. Brown and his trainer felt a deep, dark "cloud" enter the room and it stayed there for about half a minute scrutinizing the scene. It left, apparently seeing the two RV´ers as "small frys" who were not worth wasting its time on.
Before Brown´s expulsion from the command center however, he was able to perceive for a brief moment what this being was really like. He or it was an extremely powerful being, but with a twisted personality that was full of darkness. Apparently this being had come into conflict with another Force which it saw as its enemy. Brown sensed in this being a severe self-esteem problem, in spite of its incredible power, and because of this it had a consuming desire to be worshipped by others. Brown was confused when he sensed that the subspace beings and in turn the Reptilians/Greys were COMMANDED by this leader to engage in self- indulgent and destructive activities. This being wanted his servants to use self-indulgent rewards or fear to maintain the absolute hierarchical command structure within its empire -- as well as through the rest of the subspace hierarchy and in turn the Grey society that they completely infested.
Brown also got the impression that it was FEAR and PRIDE -- its perceived NEED to be worshipped -- that kept this being from negotiating with its ancient enemy, and that this being was utterly desperate to maintain its very survival or existence (strange for a seemingly immortal subspace being) and chose to resort to rebellion and terrorism in a desperate attempt to take control of the situation. Brown received a strong impression that this being was the ultimate universal terrorist!!! Apparently because of its all-consuming ego this being would NEVER humble itself before its "enemy".
Now if we go to the book of Revelation, chapter 12, we find that the ultimate leader of the serpent race´s collective is Lucifer, also known as the "great red dragon", the "old serpent", "the Devil" or "Satan" in the same chapter. Lucifer was one of the three original archangels (aside from Michael and Gabriel) who each had charge over one-third of the light beings who the Almighty had created.
Now if you´re a hard-core evolutionist you may not want to suffer through the rest of this message, as physical evolution cannot account for spirit entities, nor for the human soul for that matter. As for myself, I have a "creationist-evolutionist" concept of reality, or that life in this universe was "created" and then left to "evolve" from there in various directions which the Creator allowed.
Lucifer, as most may know from theological and eschatological traditions, reflected the infinite "light" of the Creator with great brilliance, and therefore the name Lucifer, meaning "light bearer" -- "bearer" being the operative word here. Lucifer reflected the light of the Almighty like a diamond reflects the light of the Sun. However, Lucifer began taking his eyes off of the SOURCE and began giving HIMSELF credit for the "light" that he bore (I use the term "he" for semantic reasons only, although this being -- as well as the Godhead -- are not necessarily beings of gender from my own understanding), and the next step was inevitable -- jealousy of the Almighty´s position.
Now I realize that many of you have different concepts of "God", however let us just take part in a thought experiment for a moment. If one accepts the concept of a "Trinity", then one cannot accuse God of vainglory, for the Father is ever seeking to glorify the Son (the Logos or the Living Word) and the Spirit (which the Father and the "Son of God" share). The same holds true with the Son and the Spirit seeking to give glory to their other two counterparts in the Godhead. How can God be three distinct personalities yet one single "God"? (the pleural "Eloheim" God AND the singular "Jehovah" God at the same time?). One might just as well ask, how can the universe be "one" universe yet consist of space, time and matter...three distinct aspects, yet take one away and the singular universe ceases to be? We can also use the "trinities" of ultraviolet-visible- infrared (LIGHT - and imitating the Father, Son and Spirit one kind of light is invisible, one is visible, and one is felt); or length-width-height (SPACE); past-present-future (TIME); energy- motional-phenomena (MATTER), proton-neutron-electron (ATOMS), and other "triune" manifest-ations in nature such as in humans themselves: the physical-material body, the soular-mental body, and the astral-spirit body and the sublevels of each of these three distinctions...we ourselves being three-in-one beings.
If I´m beginning to sound preachy, then please bear with me. I believe that many of you will agree that the Grey phenomena has both a physical and supernatural nature, and that we cannot fully understand one without accepting the other. One could equate this to the division within the UFO research community in the 1950´s and 1960´s over whether UFO´s were nuts and bolts craft or ethereal supernatural manifestations. Well...why not BOTH?
So then, Lucifer, in his jealousy, rallies his followers (one- third of the angelic beings) together and convinced them that God is being unjust, that He´s holding out on them and that he (Lucifer) has as much a right to be Almighty God as does God Almighty Himself. In addition to this, Lucifer tells his followers that they too can be Almighty Gods, all they have to do is follow him.
Now, promising them godhood is very strange, since the more "gods" there are the more the term "God" loses its singular distinction. It´s like a potential president promising every U.S. voter that if he is elected then he will simultaneously make all of those who voted for him Presidents of the United States! Do you see the insanity? Perhaps not, but it seems to be obvious to me. You see, from my perspective if we are all gods then there is NO God. Pantheism must ultimately lead to Atheism. If that´s the way you wish to believe then you certainly have the free choice to do so...But I´m only trying to make a point that according to traditional Judeo-Christian eschatological beliefs, this is the deception that Lucifer used to gain his recruits. Now you can accept this or leave it as you will, I´m not trying to force any beliefs upon anyone, just attempting to open up some discussion on the possible nature of the supernatural forces motivating the Greys´ collective. Since "theological" manipulation is a major part of the Greys´ agenda, the eschatological factor is one that must be dealt with in order to understand the rest.
So the rebellion began, and the heavens were torn in two as the standing and fallen angelics warred with each other, resulting in the fallen angels being cast from the realm of Eternity and into the physical universe. Could the "subspace" beings described by Courtney Brown be fallen light beings or angels?
Brown stated that this "leader" had his followers incarnate the reptilian Greys, and had ordered them to sabotage their race. The fourth planet of Zeta II Reticuli was the Greys´ "home world", however Zeta II Reticuli is a star lacking in sufficient carbon content to allow for the natural development of carbon-based life, so the Greys must have colonized that world sometime in the past.
The subspace beings, according to Brown, animated themselves through the Greys and turned them to a mindset of self- indulgence, which in turn led to the drive within the Greys for immediate gratification at the expense of their future and their world´s resources (sound familiar?). Once their world had become a polluted, radioactive ruin which was threatening their very genetic survival, the subspace beings under the command of their "leader" offered a solution -- all the Greys had to do to survive was to give up all individual rights and emotions, and submit to a collective mind which would control every aspect of the Greys´ culture -- for their own "good" of course, they were told. Using the excuse that individuality was the root of the problem, the subspace collective took things to the opposite extreme and insisted that an absolute collective mind was the answer.
In other RV experiments Brown saw humanoids living on Mars in some past era. A large planetoid grazed the atmosphere with such violence -- barely missing the surface -- that storm of enormous magnitude swept across the surface and much of the atmosphere itself was blown out into space. The Greys (who were observing this event and could have prevented the disaster) arrived as the planet was in the midst of upheaval, and offered to rescue the Martians, but at a price -- namely that the Martian humanoids surrender to the control of the Greys´ collective and others be cryogenically preserved in order to "preserve" their race. Actually according to Brown the main purpose of the cryogenic project was to "preserve" them as sources for genetic materials to upgrade the Greys´ race from time to time. This occurred mostly after the humans had escaped underground and were desperate for survival -- every day being a struggle for existence. NOW, according to Brown, Mars is under the control of the Greys, although some pockets of humans and "hybrids" remain in various places underground. Other sources claim that in 1985 the joint-operational "Alternative 3" facilities on Mars were sabotaged and taken over by the Draconians (Reptiloids and Greys serving the collective).
What Brown sensed was that the Greys were desperate. They realize that they not only need to genetically upgrade their race but also need to attain emotional individuality in order for their culture to survive (and this may have something to do with the "hybrid" projects). However they are trapped by the collective itself...there is presently a great sense of panic within the collective combined with a bizarre sense of protection which the combined psychic power of the collective provides. Although they are desperate to attain emotional individuality which they are attempting to do by interfacing with humans, assimilating human genetics, and producing quasi- hybrid genetic offspring, they cannot fully make the break from the collective without the help of those who already exist in an individualized state, namely the humans. For those of you who are familiar with the BORG collective in the STAR TREK: NEXT GENERATION series, certain episodes depicted a Borg entity by the name of "Hue" who developed emotional individuality during his captivity aboard the Enterprise and as a result of his association with human individuals. He was later sent back into the collective and introduced the idea of individuality, and in later episodes gathered quite a following of other Borg who also developed individuality and broke-off from the collective.

The problem with the collectivist Greys is that, although they need the humans, the self-destructive instructions coming down through the collective itself from the hierarchy are SABOTAGING all attempts to deal with humans on a reasonable basis. Once they establish an agreement with a humanoid culture for whatever motive, the collective commences to use the agreement for its own imperialistic agendas, and the human collaborators are betrayed and sometimes destroyed (as in the Alternative 2 and 3 bases), and war inevitably results.
The only answer to the problem that I can see would be to concentrate on severing individual reptiloids and greys from the collective and attacking the "control centers" of the collective itself. In this case mere technical and psychological attacks will not be enough...supernatural warfare will be the only answer since we are dealing with "subspace" beings. We need the help of the standing angels, yet at the same time we need to be careful since the fallen angels are good at masquerading as standing angels, which they have often done with those who have " channeled" these entities via occult means, feeding them with information which has later turned out to be false -- manipulative propaganda.
We must realize that the ONLY being in the collective which is allowed to exercise individual choice is their dark leader, and to a lesser extent the inner council, and these beings do NOT want the Reptiloids and Greys to attain emotional individualism. But what about other "collectives" like the Ashtar or Astarte collective? Just who is this "Ashtar"? Why is the Ashtar collective so involved with the Dulce base activity in joint capacity with the Greys and Reptiloids according to certain reports? Is it, as contactee Israel Norkin claims, because the "Unholy Six" star systems of Orion have infiltrated the Ashtar collective to a massive extent? What about the bald 9-foot tall Reptilian "from the Pleiades" who supposedly defected from the Draconian collective, HATONN? Why hasn´t Hatonn been warning about this infiltration of his own collective? Is it because he is secretly working FOR the Draconian-Orion empire? Certainly if he was truly converted from the Draconian collective he could be a lot more zealous in exposing it...especially its infiltration of the Ashtar collective.
If we are to believe reports of "Star Wars" taking place within Sirius-B where the Ashtar collective has its headquarters, then this leaves open the possibility that the Ashtar collective is in the process of splitting down the middle between an interventionist faction siding with the Draco-Orion Empire and a non-interventionist faction siding with the Andro-Pleiadean Federation. Now for some further theological speculation...
In II Peter 2:4 we read that: "...God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment."
This verse is apparently speaking of the high-level leaders of the ancient rebellion, who were so evil that they were bound in dark prisons deep under the earth. However the Bible gives several accounts of fallen angels or demons that are fully ACTIVE on the surface of the earth, so we must conclude that these were lower ranking angels like the "elementals" who were merely following the "party line" since they are allowed more or less to roam about the earth freely. If such angels were condemned when the first war in heaven ran its course, then WHY are they still allowed to more or less roam free? Is God possibly giving them TIME to reconsider their ways? Does the above verse mean that ALL fallen angels are irreparably doomed, having essentially become spiritual "black holes" after they of their own choice annihilated any and all "light" within themselves, essentially leaving nothing for the Almighty to work with and therefore having no hope of redemption? (black holes, once collapsed, can never become "stars" again -- could a spiritual being collapse from a light-giving being so COMPLETELY that it becomes a "black hole" entity destroying and consuming all life, light and innocence around it? ) Or, has the Creator in his infinite mercy given SOME of the fallen angels -- those who still maintain a semblance of regret for their part in the rebellion -- one last chance by allowing them physical incarnation through the Reptiloids and Greys? Could this be why the Greys are so absolutely desperate to attain emotional individuality in spite of the restraints of an individuality- killing collective? Could their very eternal destinies be at stake?
A few years ago I would have totally rejected the possibility that some of the fallen angels could be included in the plan of redemption, yet now I wonder...
Now before you begin labeling me a heretic, I would like to quote three versus regarding the serpent race (Greys, Reptiloids):
"Now the serpent was more subtil (intelligent) than any beast of the field...And the Lord God said unto the serpent...I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed." -- Genesis 6:1,14-15
In its full context these verses imply that the fallen archangel Lucifer was the one that incarnated this particular reptilian -- possibly something akin to a veliciraptor or other similar types of bi-ped saurian humanoids -- and in turn the entire serpent race, promising them power over man and nature if the Luciferians could re-incarnate through their race at will. Whether you take this passage literally or symbolically, the message is essentially the same. Lucifer used the serpent race to deceive the humans into sabotaging their own connection with the God-Source and thereby sabotaging their supernatural dominion over the lower life forms -- and from that point onward these lower life forms began turning wild and untamed because the downward "flow" or Life and Order had been broken at the human level as death and chaos began to reign. One of the races which reverted to their base animal or predatory nature of course was the serpent race which originally held a position somewhere between mankind and the beasts, yet due to man´s "fall" and the reptilians´ alliance with the Luciferians, they began taking the upper hand over the human race -- or rather, the fallen angels began taking the upper hand over the human race THROUGH the serpent race.
Today one could say that we see basically the same thing happening, however in this case it is the "subspace beings" incarnating the Greys and offering the "forbidden fruit" of occult-technology to those intent on using it to establish god- like control and domination over their fellow man. As Solomon once said, "there is no new thing under the sun". But the point I want to make is that according to this verse, fallen angels have been re-incarnating through the Grey (serpentine) races for quite some time.
And another verse:
"In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." -- Isaiah 27:1
This verse, unless I´m mistaken, is speaking of the reptilian COLLECTIVE itself, which could be considered as a "piercing serpent". And then the following verse, which literally threw me for a loop:
"Praise ye him, ALL his angels: praise ye him, ALL his hosts... Praise the Lord from the earth, ye dragons, and ALL deeps." -- Psalm 148:2,7
Now unless I´m grossly misinterpreting scripture, it would seem that here God is saying that the (fallen-angel-incarnated) serpent races are told to praise the Almighty -- who after all was their creator before they corrupted their own race. Other verses that we might add to the one above include:
"Let EVERY THING that hath breath praise the Lord." -- Psalm 150:6
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to EVERY CREATURE." -- Mark 16:15
"And EVERY CREATURE which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." -- Revelation 5:13
In order to make the choice to appropriate the redemptive work of the Christ, the Reptiloids and Greys would have to develop emotional individuality and somehow become dis-connected from the "Luciferian collective".
The former Dulce base security officer Thomas C. Castello reported his amazement when one of the reptiloid workers in the base began to show signs of individual expression and even concern for the abductees who were being held there against their will by the collective. This reptilians´ individual emotionalism may have developed from his friendship with Thomas over the period of time that they both worked together. Unfortunately this reptilian and several others who had joined with Castello´s "resistance" of nine human base workers, were slaughtered in the Dulce wars by human and alien agents of the collective. Note:"The series V was loosely based on dulce reports"
There are other examples. For instance Bert and Diane Twiggs in their book SECRET VOWS tell of seeing a smiling and jovial reptiloid security officer serving on a space station maintained by humans from the Andromeda constellation. Others have on rare occasions experienced encounters with friendly reptiloids, but these are few and far between by comparison, being greatly outnumbered by indifferent or even violently malicious reptilian humanoids, no doubt servants of the collective.
Also, Stan Johnson in his book BIGFOOT MEMORIES (describing his encounters with "Sasquatch" type humans from the fifth dimension who were in alliance with human-like star people within Mt. Shasta and elsewhere) tells of a visit that he and the Sasquatch people had made to a series of caverns deep under the earth, inhabited by reptilian humanoids. Some of the reptiloids they encountered were aggressive, whereas others were more mellow because (the reptiloids explained) some time in the past some human "missionaries" from the surface had found their way down into the caverns and had taught them about God, and how to live in peace and harmony.
I should reiterate that although some reptiloids might be converted to a benign state, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE SHOULD COMPROMISE ONE INCH IN OUR RESISTANCE TO THE ABUSIVE ACTIONS OF CERTAIN ALIEN GROUPS, be they reptiloid, humanoid, insectoid or other...for our own sakes as well as theirs.
Much of what I have written here is, I admit, speculation. These are ideas that have been forming in my mind for several months now. I guess it all comes down to the idea that good and evil are genetic (human = good; reptilian = evil -- and face it, there really is not much of a historical case for the idea that " human" and "good" are always synonymous) AS OPPOSED TO the idea that good and evil are manifestations of personal CHOICE and not manifestations of genetic disposition.
Fortunately the Luciferian collectivists according to Revelation 12 will lose their powerbase in the galaxy as resistance to their atrocities increases. Unfortunately however the central command of the collective will escape to the caverns of planet earth, which will serve as their "last stand", and according to prophecy they will begin a desperate program to recruit Terrans through a European-based New World Order involving electronic mind control implants and ancient roots in the remnants of the ill-named Holy Roman Empire. All of this will be a last-ditch effort to re-gain their lost ground among the stars. In the process they will devastate much of the planet, but it will all be for naught as they will lose in the end. The question is NOT whether they will lose the war, the question is how many of US will survive these apocalyptic events. I believe that this largely depends on the collective WILL of individual human beings throughout this planet. It is not something that is set in stone.
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Aliens Among Us A UFO Conspiracy Hypothesis In A Religious Mode

Let´s play "What If." Recently, John Lear provoked widespread discussion and debate in the UFO research community by his hypothesis that aliens (or "Grays") and what is presumed to be a CIA/MJ-12 amalgam have had a long-time joint venture in which hidden underground bases for alien activities play a part. Lear characterizes this as nefarious. I agree with Lear and see aspects to the UFO abduction experience which indicate there may be even more vast and sinister dimensions to it than Lear has des cribed. Here is the "worst case scenario" I project.
The thrust of UFO research is into the metaphysical, where things are not always as they seem. In the case of the Gray abducting aliens, my judgment is this: they are diabolical and completely untrustworthy. I get a strong of sense of conspiracy by them--a vast, subversive plot of long duration and careful coordination which aims at nothing less than the complete enslavement of humanity. I see nothing--absolutely nothing--about their words and deeds which indicates anything but deceit, evasion, misdirection, manipulation, exploitation and total disregard for human values, personal property and our concept of respect for the inviolability of personhood. We humans consider kidnaping and violation of civil rights to be criminal, rape to be loathsome , brainwashing and mind control to be heinous, lying to be despicable, unauthorized surgical invasion of the body to be monstrous, and damage to personal property to be vandalism. The Gray aliens exhibit such behavior. On the other hand, I know of no beh avior by them which is clearly intended to show respect for our personhood, property, civil rights, moral values and concern for truthful speech; they routinely violate all that. As I view the situation, it´s a ghastly picture which emerges. It is not me rely alien; it is profoundly evil in precisely the sense given in the Book of Revelation and other sacred scriptures which describe a battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness for the salvation or damnation of humanity and the planet. So when abducting aliens say, "We´re here to serve you," I take it to mean they have have cookbook recipes in mind.
What follows is a summary of my thoughts on the topic. I acknowledge at the outset that it is indistinguishable from scaremongering science fiction novels; I also acknowledge that it has numerous underpinning assumptions which are open to challenge . (To name just two: are the alien abductions literally real or are they psychological projections from the mythic level of the human unconscious, created by overactive, distraught human minds, and are the MJ-12 documents authentic?) Moreover, the data on which I hang this scenario are few, tenuous and far from indisputable. I´ve deliberately stayed away from discussing this topic in my public statements on the UFO experience because the evidence for my position is difficult to describe to an audience w hich is not psychologically sophisticated nor parapsychologically educated. Most people would take the paragraph above as evidence of bizarre mental disturbance in me bordering on paranoia and religious fantasy, if not full-blown psychosis. However, I cl aim to have enough self-awareness and psychological/psychiatric understanding to say that such is not the case, but rather is the result of thoughtful observation and analysis leading logically to a plausible conclusion by a seasoned investigator of the pa ranormal. So if the issue of my sanity can be put aside, at least temporarily, l offer this statement as an hypothesis for discussion of the most perplexing--and potentially important--aspect of the UFO experience. I am "floating" it first among members of the Paranormal section of CompuServe´s ISSUES Forum because you are among the most sophisticated, clear-thinking people I know in this field of wild stories, fuzzy data and wounded psyches. I welcome the most hard-hitting feedback. I don´t claim to ha ve the "final" answer to the UFO question. I only claim to offer the following with sincerity, the most rigorous thinking I can bring to it, and a wish to provoke further discussion and investigation along the line I´m developing. Of course, it´s possibl e to be sincere but deluded. I am willing--indeed, eager--to be shown that is so in my case. Therefore, in hope of the most hard-hitting feedback, and in the interest of reality-testing, here we go with "What If."
Let´s begin with the humans and/or humanoids who have been reported by abductees to be present on UFOs, apparently working with/for the aliens. There are many such reports, most notably that by Travis Walton. If the Gray aliens have been conductin g a genetic experiment or an interspecies breeding program for at least several decades--which Budd Hopkins´ work indicates--then there could be humans who´ve been raised under alien control since infancy and who are thoroughly alien in their loyalties and psychology, although they certainly would be able to pass as "real" people. While seeming to be ordinary citizens, they would nevertheless be at least programmed, if not naturally inclined through psychological bonding, to identify with the alien culture.
Such people could have been raised in an off-world site--say, a base on the moon or Mars or even a gigantic "mother ship" *--and then reintroduced to human society, with sufficient training and ongoing support from aliens to make their way into careers in many fields. Depending on the scope of the aliens´ work--which I take to be happening on an enormous scale--the abducting aliens/Grays could have hundreds or even thousands of their people infiltrated into science, industry, finance, politics, educatio n, the military, etc--with some undoubtedly in positions of great power and influence. These people could, in turn, have recruited others to various degrees, creating "cells" in the classic fashion of a resistance movement preparing to overthrow the estab lishment. More likely, though, they would have made their true identity known only to other "aliens among us" and committed true-human collaborators who have been voluntarily working with the aliens.
This infiltration activity would not be limited to the USA. If the Gray aliens are doing it here, they´re doing it everywhere. Of course, being scheming and untrustworthy, bent on planetary domination, they would not have told anything about this to MJ-12 or other official government/military groups they might have contacted over the decades. And if they contacted MJ-12 or its successors, we can be fairly certain they´ve contacted the Soviet Union and other major powers, but wouldn´t have let each know about the others. The infiltration would represent a hidden agenda behind their relatively more open agenda with MJ-12. ("Open" is hardly the right word for an "Above Top Secret" operation, as the MJ-12 documents have been classified, but the alien infiltration of civilization would be above even that.)
In parallel with that infiltration movement would be Manchurian Candidate-type programming of the abductees and alien-human/humanoids. In other words, if the Grays´ ultimate intention is world control--which is my conclusion--they´ve got a couple of ways to get there. The last resort would be violent takeover, using naked warfare. That would certainly unite true humans in opposition, and even if the Grays conquered humanity, we would continue to resist by any and all means, even if our condition were reduced to the status of POWs at a Hanoi Hilton. No, the aliens would seek a bloodless takeover by conquering through propaganda and deception. Remember that American POWs in Korea and Vietnam were continually subjected to brainwashing because their bodies were captured but not their minds. The aliens would recognize that and, in order to make their victory complete, try to indoctrinate us, through covert means, to accept them as we walk down a garden path, rather than have to "reeducate" some five billion people in effect held captive as POWs.
So, the more intelligent approach would be to co-opt the human race--subvert it through a cultural conditioning control system such as Jacques Valle suggests in Dimensions. The MJ-12 group and its counterparts in other nations would be the starting point. Here´s where the plot thickens. In fact, it ties in with more mundane conspiracy theories in the political sphere which allege that the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Trilateralists, Bilderbergers, Council on Foreign Relations and other groups are th e hidden powers and the secret establishments directing world affairs through international banking and control of the media, education, science and military/political institutions in order to set up a one-world social order with themselves at the seats of power.
There are some plausible arguments for this made by responsible, credible thinkers and scholars such as Carroll Quigley and Antony Sutton; there are also some absolutely bozo claims made by head-for-the-hills survivalists and fringe Christian fundam entalists. I try to assess them all to see what looks viable, weighing them against my standards of reason, logic and evidence. Now, it´s perfectly clear, thanks to Irangate, that international conspiracies can and do happen; the question is to what degr ee and how well coordinated and controlled they are by the alleged secret powers. Until the last few years, I pretty much dismissed the notion of a generations-old international conspiracy to set up a one-world order controlled by international banking in terests such as the Rockefellers and Rothschilds. I reasoned that if there were one conspiracy, there would be others, and the net result would be to negate or at least neutralize each other. No one would gain total control or unassailable ascendancy. T he vagaries of world affairs were just too unpredictable; too many things could go wrong; people wouldn´t stay loyal to such a cause all their lives; evidence of it simply couldn´t be covered up forever.
Then the Gray aliens came into view, and the situation took on a wholly different complexion.
If the aliens have secretly planted their agents throughout civilization for decades and if they are pursuing contact with the top echelons of power here in the USA via MJ-12 and its successors--as suggested by reports of Project Aquarius, Project S igma, Project Garnet and Project Snowbird in Jerome Clark´s four-part review of UFO crash/retrievals in Fate earlier this year--then over the years they could have been playing out a hand that was strategized nowhere but in Hell. Look at the membership of those power groups such as MJ-12. They lead straight into the heart of the most disturbing "conventional" conspiracy theories about international finance and military/political intrigue. For example, consider the Skull and Bones Society at Yale. It is, from the political conspiracy theorists´ point of view, the quintessential "evil empire" within the USA. George Bush, McGeorge Bundy, and a large number of the Trilateral Commission members and the Council of Foreign Relations were tapped by this secret s ociety while they were undergraduates at Yale and were bound by an oath of secrecy to loyalty to the "Bones" purpose, which goes far, far beyond simple collegial fraternity and the typical "good ol´ boy" network.
The conspiracy theorists say that the aim of all this is to covertly create a new world order in which the secret establishment becomes the hidden power controlling global affairs--its economy, science, industry, religion, education, technology, et c., even while maintaining for the masses a facade of increasing freedom and prosperity for the world. Nationhood would wither away, but political power would not. It would be consolidated behind a screen through the fraternal bonds of men (Skull and Bon es excludes women) whose aims and loyalty are not to any country or group except their own transnational cabal.
Imagine that such a conspiracy has been going on for decades; that would explain US State Department approval of high-technology transfer from American industry to the Soviet Union, even when it ends up used against America in military situations, a nd multimillion dollar bank loans to the Soviet Union with no assurances sought that they won´t be used to underwrite anti-American activities. Then imagine that the aliens not only know of the conspiracy and understand its operations, but have also cunningly schemed to infiltrate it and co-opt it by pretending to establish friendly but secret relations with it. What would be the nature of the directing intelligence behind the aliens´ scheme? It seems to me that the Gray aliens alone are not smart enough or powerful enough to pull it off, despite their technological edge. I see it like this:
The aliens are glad to let the human conspirators continue their work aimed at world domination because the humans don´t realize the danger they´ve gotten into by making what is in reality a diabolical pact. The human secret establishment thinks it´ s simply got an edge by making contact with the aliens because the aliens can provide advanced technology to help the power brokers advance their scheme; all they have to do is let the aliens continue with their "scientific" work of abducting people for "e xamination." But the aliens´ intention is to be the power behind the power behind the throne. And the MJ-12 successors played right into their hands.
When John Lear says the MJ-12 team is scared of what they´ve gotten into, he would be right if the people involved have begun to realize the magnitude of the deadly game they´ve been suckered into--which seems likely. Just as they see their "final" victory nearing--i.e., global affairs are tending well for the establishment of a one-world order, exactly as they´ve been working for over decades--the aliens trump them and in effect the secret establishment itself becomes subtly, secretly but inescapab ly enslaved, exactly as they sought to do to others. A delicious irony there--but don´t laugh too loud about it because the situation, if I´m correct, is appalling. It´s the Book of Revelation coming true: a titanic war in the heavens between the power s of light and the powers of darkness for the liberation or enslavement of all humanity.
Now, return to those alien-raised humans and humanoids. If the aliens are as knowledgeable about human psychology, physiology and anatomy as UFO research indicates--i.e., reports show that they can completely control the human nervous system, effec t instant healings, alter memory, perform precise surgical operations on the brain and visceral organs--then they are wholly competent to "program" human beings to react in certain ways upon signal. Under hypnosis, abductee Betty Andreasson stated repeate dly in The Andreasson Affair--Phase Two that she would reveal something in the future when the time is right as determined by the aliens; quite independently, her future husband, Bob Luca, received exactly the same mental programming from abducting Grays.
Thus, the alien-humans would undoubtedly be programmed to rise up with violence and armed warfare if the aliens felt it necessary to achieve their aims in extremis. Imagine hundreds of thousands of Manchurian Candidates, each programmed to eliminate/assa ssinate designated leaders and officials so that the aliens´ hand-picked candidates can come forward. Far out? Not in the shadowy world of subversion, political intrigue and life-or-death struggle for conquest of Planet Earth.
Where do all the alien-humans come from? Many would undoubtedly be bred in vitro from sperm and ova, but many others would have been obtained the easy way--by kidnaping children. An estimated one million children are missing in the USA each year. Where could they all go? If just one percent of them were abducted by aliens, that´s a sizable population to work with at off-world basesI
If you will grant the plausibility of this admittedly fantastic scenario so far, it then makes sense to say that the Gray aliens are not the "ultimate" type of beings contacting us in this matter. They are alien, through I´m not convinced they´re e xtraterrestrial. However, it appears there is another "race" behind the Gray aliens, covertly directing their activities. This "race" is not merely "alien"--it is evil. It is truly sinister, malevolent and unswervingly committed to the damnation of all humanity--and it is definitely not extraterrestrial. These intelligences have been characterized in ancient scriptures and sacred traditions as native to Earth, demonic, hostile to our very existence as free people and intent upon dominating us totally--p hysically, mentally and spiritually. St. Paul spoke of humanity contending with "powers and principalities." My reason, research and personal experience lead me to conclude that such entities are ontologically real, albeit paraphysical. I see the hand of such intelligences behind much of the UFO phenomenon. I will even name the chief entity, using its Judeo-Christian appellation: Lucifer/Satan. To say more than that in a meaningful manner, however, would take several more kilobytes. I am prepared to g et into the issue of Lucifer/Satan and its nature, purpose and role in the UFO experience, but that will depend on my assessment of the response to this discussion.
In closing, I will say that, in my judgment, we humans are not alone against forces of darkness. I also see benign and even benevolent "alien intelligences" here as well, trying to assist us in this struggle for psychobiological integrity, spiritua l advancement and true planetary unity, as Brad Steiger suggests in The Fellowship. We are surrounded by "angels unawares" who, as agents of godliness, seek in subtle ways to guide and protect us. For example, the beings of light whom people meet during near-death experiences (NDE) are providing tremendous support for humanity in what I see as a struggle between the forces of light and darkness. The light-beings´ nature is clearly evident by the effect they have upon human lives. Completely unlike the a bducting Gray aliens, the NDE light-beings produce no traumatic consequences on people whatsoever. Humans who meet them while in the near-death state report later that they sensed only unconditional love and forgiveness for misdeeds radiating wordlessly from these entities. Abducting aliens induce fear and long-lasting anxiety, disturbing dreams and a disturbed personality; NDE light-beings have an aftereffect which brings people a sense of ultimate peace, cosmic goodness, reverence for life, deepened spi rituality, concern for fellow humans and the environment--a general revaluing of a materialistic, egotistic life-style in the name of God and Love. Here in America alone, an estimated 8,000,000 people have undergone an NDE. If America is the leading edge of a millennial demonic invasion, as I´m postulating, it is also the site of an even greater number of transformative, uplifting, inspiring encounters with entities traditionally called angels, saints and enlightened teachers. And such activity must be h appening around the globe. Does this not indicate a colossal support system of metaphysical forces which intend salvation for humanity, building in opposition to what I have posited as a hellish plot aimed at complete enslavement of humanity and Planet Earth?
* In 1972, while visiting the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, I learned from my guide--a JPL employee--that the facility had analyzed many UFO photographs. My guide told me that JPL had explained away all of them except one. That one, he told me, was taken by a man who provided such good information about the time of day, location, camera and film that JPL, after using computer enhancement of the photo, could offer only two explanations. The man who submitted the photo said he s aw a UFO passing in front of the moon. JPL would not confirm it but said there definitely was something real in the photo. The only trouble was that they couldn´t tell if it was a small object about two feet in front of the camera or something 1,000 mile s long at a distance of 100,000 miles from Earth. A mother ship?


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"The extensive set of interlocking agreements between these races and the ‘shadow government’ in the US and elsewhere suggests the existence of a military-industrial-extraterrestrial complex of interests."

I have reason to believe by many writings that these groups aren´t extraterrestrial but subterrestrial beings who live in the caverns of the earth, having been run underground by our ancestors because these beings were and are cannabals, cruel, and warring. They need the military for supplies of commodities such as iron, copper, gold, and silver. In exchange for this, they allow places like Area 51 for advancement of military weapons where eyes can´t see.

The American Indians had run-ins with them, too.

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