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What You’re Not Hearing About the New Jobs Bill: It Overrides State’s Rights

 
Cat Herder

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That's sad. Truely sad that this is happening. What needs is this: A Congress that needs to grow a huge pair and make a decision to hold the President to account vis a vis impeachment proceedings. Yes, I know, that there'll be little done in that methodology however, it'll wake him up to the fact that he cannot continue on with this ideology of "getting even with America". I wonder, however, if there is a statute in the Patriot Act that covers economic terrorism? If so, then Pelosi, Reed, Frank, Dodd, et al, could be brought to heel?
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FUCK ANYONE WHO VOTES FOR THIS SHIT!!!
THIS COUNTRY IS SO FUCKED!! AND SHEEPLE SAY BAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAA... FUCK THIS COME ON WITH IT FUCKERS
IVE HAD IT
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bump

Your new "Super-CONgress" and dictator occupying the WH should help you cope with the sheeptards....

[link to www.larouchepub.com]
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09/20/2011 11:01 PM
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#attackwatch this shit
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That's sad. Truely sad that this is happening. What needs is this: A Congress that needs to grow a huge pair and make a decision to hold the President to account vis a vis impeachment proceedings. Yes, I know, that there'll be little done in that methodology however, it'll wake him up to the fact that he cannot continue on with this ideology of "getting even with America". I wonder, however, if there is a statute in the Patriot Act that covers economic terrorism? If so, then Pelosi, Reed, Frank, Dodd, et al, could be brought to heel?
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As of July 31 the bribed "Super-CONgress" can't anymore. The occupant of the WH is now a dictator thanks to the treasonous bastards! [link to www.larouchepub.com]

We all need to demand resignations by the hundreds of thousands at every state capitol and descend upon the District of Criminals as they are on Wall St right now.

Our flags should all be upside down!
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09/20/2011 11:11 PM
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You uneducated morons are acting like this is something new. It is NOT. All it means is that states can be sued in federal court for violating federal law. This IS constitutional. Read. Learn. [link to federalpracticemanual.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326056

If this is nothing new, why does it need to be added to this bill?

It seems to me it is a way to guarantee that the States always loose.
 Quoting: Sweet Magnolia


because it will drive the final nail in the coffin of states rights. what that poster fails to say is that the footnotes to that article are from court rulings after the war of northern aggression. when the judical benches were being stacked with judges that agreed with the criminal act of the federal goverment in the 1860's to step on states rights. so all the POTUS and his law breaking minions are doing now is to seal the deal for the federal goverment to never have to worry about committing treason against the american people again
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09/20/2011 11:14 PM
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Check this story.....one example


That's rich! Tea Party lawmaker complains that he barely gets by on $600,000 a year... as it costs $200,000 just to feed his family
A Louisiana congressman who works as a doctor and owns several businesses is crying poverty over President Obama's tax plan, saying he's struggling to get by on the $400,000 left over after he feeds his family.

Rep John Fleming went on the attack on Monday, saying in an interview with MSNBC that the tax plan kills jobs by overtaxing business owners.

He said that higher taxes would slow job growth by making business owners less likely to reinvest to create new jobs.

Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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WTF, what are they eating? Caviar and champagne every meal? 3 meals day, 365 days a year, that is over $182.00 a meal. 1 meal for him is more than I spend in a month for food.
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That's sad. Truely sad that this is happening. What needs is this: A Congress that needs to grow a huge pair and make a decision to hold the President to account vis a vis impeachment proceedings. Yes, I know, that there'll be little done in that methodology however, it'll wake him up to the fact that he cannot continue on with this ideology of "getting even with America". I wonder, however, if there is a statute in the Patriot Act that covers economic terrorism? If so, then Pelosi, Reed, Frank, Dodd, et al, could be brought to heel?
Cat
 Quoting: Cat Herder


As of July 31 the bribed "Super-CONgress" can't anymore. The occupant of the WH is now a dictator thanks to the treasonous bastards! [link to www.larouchepub.com]

We all need to demand resignations by the hundreds of thousands at every state capitol and descend upon the District of Criminals as they are on Wall St right now.

Our flags should all be upside down!
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Yes the Super Congress is unconstitutional! It takes away the representation of "We the People". Just being able to vote a straight yes or no without the ability to add amendments or discussion puts too much power in the hands of to few people.
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/snip/

With the introduction of The American Jobs Act, Americans may soon witness a rerun of the Obama healthcare struggle. Much like its predecessor, president Obama’s newest bill contains certain provisions that would appear to benefit those who wrote the bill more than those for whom the bill was supposedly written.

For instance, buried deep, deep on page 133 of the bill, it states:

SEC. 376. FEDERAL AND STATE IMMUNITY.

(a) Abrogation of State Immunity- A State shall not be immune under the 11th Amendment to the Constitution from a suit brought in a Federal court of competent jurisdiction for a violation of this Act.

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Read More at [link to www.theblaze.com]
 Quoting: Sweet Magnolia


there is NO WAY this can be enforced.... just wishful thinking.... the base law stands above all.... not the onion layers on top of it....
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When will you people get it? Something is wrong with this picture. 400 people in this country hold more wealth than the rest of the country combined. If you can't see that there is something wrong with that, then you must be one of the four hundred.
Sweet Magnolia (OP)

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You uneducated morons are acting like this is something new. It is NOT. All it means is that states can be sued in federal court for violating federal law. This IS constitutional. Read. Learn. [link to federalpracticemanual.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326056

If this is nothing new, why does it need to be added to this bill?

It seems to me it is a way to guarantee that the States always loose.
 Quoting: Sweet Magnolia


because it will drive the final nail in the coffin of states rights. what that poster fails to say is that the footnotes to that article are from court rulings after the war of northern aggression. when the judical benches were being stacked with judges that agreed with the criminal act of the federal goverment in the 1860's to step on states rights. so all the POTUS and his law breaking minions are doing now is to seal the deal for the federal goverment to never have to worry about committing treason against the american people again
 Quoting: justwatching


Thank you for clarifying that.hf
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This is an absolute abuse of the 11th amendment that tries to stretch its meaning to unbelievable lengths.

That said, we lost the civil war, and all our states' rights with it. It would take another war to get them back.

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shakeit This is huge.
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I want to tap that ass...
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09/21/2011 07:51 AM
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Re: What You’re Not Hearing About the New Jobs Bill: It Overrides State’s Rights
I didn't know the states had any rights left.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371801


EXACTLY!!

***But, seriously, also, this is NOT "NEW" and NOT "BIG", NOT "HUGE", since this is pretty "par for the course" in many other types of federal programs. In fact, the article the OP cited even has an UPDATE section that explains this quite well (which I was thinking the whole time I was reading it - I don't know why a)People don't read articles completely and b) The blog author didn't move the UPDATE to the TOP of the page:

Update: The original reporting of this story was not entirely fair. Since posting the article, it has been brought to the author’s attention that forfeiting the 11th amendment to a bill of this nature it is not that uncommon.

As pointed out by The Blaze’s Meredith Jessup:

[If] a state is allocated a certain amount of funds for a road project, the initial funding for the project is a debt incurred by the state to be reimbursed by the federal government. This is so the feds can enforce guarantees of debt. It also prevents states from hiring contractors and then refusing to pay without the waiver of the 11th; the contractor would have no legal standing to sue the state for non-payment since the federal government is the ultimate source of funds.
You can find similar language in other bills [such as] The Americans with Disabilities Act.
Essentially, an 11th amendment waiver prevents states from contracting workers and then refusing to pay. Although a waiver of this type does surrender certain rights, it is not an unheard of arrangement.

Therefore, while the claim that states lose their sovereignty if they accept any aid provided by this bill is factually correct, it is the belief of this author that the original story slightly overreacted.


Now, I as a libertarian and huge states rights supporter, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying I support these types of bills/programs at all.

But it's also silly to act like this is something new - it's not, and THAT is what really ought to make you aggravated.
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Re: What You’re Not Hearing About the New Jobs Bill: It Overrides State’s Rights
You uneducated morons are acting like this is something new. It is NOT. All it means is that states can be sued in federal court for violating federal law. This IS constitutional. Read. Learn. [link to federalpracticemanual.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326056

I agree that a) this is not new and b)the constitution does work a balance between state and federal powers.

And, I pointed this out as well.

I will also note, that just because this isn't new, or really that big of a deal (in comparison with tons of of other federal programs/laws over the years), doesn't mean that these types of programs are STILL SUSPECT AS BEING UNCONSTITUTIONAL. There's a great deal of interpretation that goes into balancing the 10th amendment and the supremacy clause (as I'm sure you know, but others may not, read the Federalist Papers for a fascinating account of the different viewpoints filling the minds of many of these great statesmen).

My point simply being, you are right in that it's not new - heck, this debate has been going on for centuries ;-) But, that doesn't mean we still shouldn't debate it. Although I do concede that it seems more and more that our society has become entrenched in it's current path and it would be most difficult to undo some of these "programs".....

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