.** IS WAR THE ONLY WAY TO GET OUT OF THIS FINANCIAL MESS? **

US military spending is already 10x more than the next biggest spender.

the law of diminishing returns for yield in the investment is obvious.

no, USA should do what it is good at: discovering new things that the world will need and commercialising them.

we are of necessity moving away from a monolithic and into a distributed production model.
there is plenty of scope for gain in the realignment.

source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] ... penditures


Rank Country Military expenditure, 2009[2] % of GDP, 2008
1 United States of America 663,255,000,000 4.3%
2 People's Republic of China 98,800,000,000 2.0%
3 United Kingdom 69,271,000,000 2.5%
4 France 67,316,000,000 2.3%
5 Russian Federation 61,000,000,000 3.5%
6 Germany 48,022,000,000 1.3%
7 Japan 46,859,000,000 0.9%
8 Saudi Arabia 39,257,000,000 8.2%
9 Italy 37,427,000,000 1.7%
10 India 36,600,000,000 2.6%
11 South Korea 27,130,000,000 2.8%
12 Brazil 27,124,000,000 1.5%
13 Canada 20,564,000,000 1.3%
14 Australia 20,109,000,000 1.8%
15 Spain 19,409,000,000 1.2%
16 Turkey 19,009,000,000 2.2%
17 Israel 14,309,000,000 7.0%
18 Greece 13,917,000,000 3.6%
19 United Arab Emirates 13,052,000,000a 5.9%a
20 Netherlands 12,642,000,000 1.4%
21 Poland 10,860,000,000 2.0%
22 Colombia 10,055,000,000 3.7%
23 Republic of China (Taiwan) 9,866,000,000 2.1%
24 Iran 9,174,000,000b 2.7%
25 Singapore 7,966,000,000 4.1%
26 Sweden 6,135,000,000 1.3%
27 Norway 6,098,000,000 1.3%
28 Chile 5,683,000,000 3.5%
29 Algeria 5,677,000,000 3.0%
30 Belgium 5,674,000,000 1.2%
31 Mexico 5,490,000,000 0.5%
32 Indonesia 4,908,000,000 1.0%
33 Thailand 4,908,000,000 1.5%
34 Portugal 4,884,000,000 2.0%
35 Pakistan 4,823,000,000 2.6%
36 Kuwait 4,589,000,000 3.2%
37 Denmark 4,476,000,000 1.4%
38 Ukraine 4,258,000,000 2.7%
39 Switzerland 4,141,000,000 0.8%
40 Malaysia 4,078,000,000 2.0%
41 Oman 4,003,000,000 7.7%
42 South Africa 3,926,000,000 1.3%
43 Iraq 3,814,000,000 5.4%
44 Finland 3,768,000,000 1.3%
45 Egypt 3,665,000,000 2.3%
46 Austria 3,650,000,000 0.9%
47 Venezuela 3,254,000,000 1.4%
48 Czech Republic 3,246,000,000 1.3%
49 Morocco 3,143,000,000 3.4%
50 Angola 2,893,000,000 3.0%
51 Romania 2,616,000,000 1.5%
52 Argentina 2,608,000,000 0.8%
53 Vietnam 2,073,000,000 2.4%
54 Sudan 1,971,000,000c 4.4%c
55 Hungary 1,900,000,000 1.2%
56 Syria 1,883,000,000 3.4%
57 Nigeria 1,681,000,000 0.8%
58 Ireland 1,581,000,000 0.6%
59 Kazakhstan 1,540,000,000 1.2%
60 Sri Lanka 1,525,000,000 3.6%
61 Peru 1,502,000,000 1.1%
62 New Zealand 1,447,000,000 1.1%
63 Azerbaijan 1,434,000,000 3.8%
64 Philippines 1,424,000,000 0.8%
65 Lebanon 1,408,000,000 3.9%
66 Jordan 1,392,000,000 5.9%
67 Slovakia 1,316,000,000 1.5%
68 Yemen 1,196,000,000 4.2%
69 Croatia 1,191,000,000 1.9%
70 Bulgaria 1,127,000,000 2.4%
71 Libya 1,100,000,000b 1.0%
72 Serbia 1,070,000,000 2.4%
73 Belarus 1,036,000,000 1.5%
74 Bangladesh 938,000,000 1.0%
75 Slovenia 888,000,000 1.5%
76 Bahrain 721,000,000 3.0%
77 Latvia 692,000,000 1.9%
78 Georgia 665,000,000 8.5%
79 Lithuania 648,000,000 1.5%
80 Tunisia 571,000,000 1.3%
81 Cyprus 550,000,000 1.8%
82 Kenya 518,000,000 1.9%
83 Uruguay 496,000,000 1.3%
84 Estonia 460,000,000 2.2%
85 Ethiopia 422,000,000 1.4%
86 Chad 412,000,000 6.6%
87 Luxembourg 406,000,000a 0.7%
88 Armenia 405,000,000 3.3%
89 Côte d'Ivoire 369,000,000b 1.5%
90 Botswana 353,000,000 2.7%
91 Cameroon 352,000,000 1.5%
92 Uganda 341,000,000 2.3%
93 Brunei 336,000,000 3.9%
94 Eritrea 327,000,000d 20.9%d
95 Namibia 283,000,000 3.5%
96 Albania 276,000,000 2.0%
97 Bosnia and Herzegovina 276,000,000 1.4%
98 Afghanistan 272,000,000 1.9%
99 Dominican Republic 272,000,000 0.6%
100 Bolivia 268,000,000 1.5%
101 Zambia 251,000,000 2.0%
102 Turkmenistan 236,000,000e 2.9%e
103 Senegal 217,000,000 1.6%
104 Tanzania 216,000,000 1.1%
105 Republic of Macedonia 204,000,000 1.8%
106 Nepal 194,000,000 2.0%
107 Kyrgyzstan 185,000,000 3.7%b
108 Mali 182,000,000 1.9%
109 Guatemala 175,000,000 0.4%
110 Congo, Republic of the 142,000,000a 1.1%
111 Paraguay 140,000,000 0.8%
112 Panama 138,000,000e 1.0%e
113 El Salvador 134,000,000 0.5%
114 Congo, Democratic Republic of the 127,000,000 1.4%
115 Ghana 127,000,000 0.7%
116 Cambodia 123,000,000b 1.1%
117 Mauritania 122,000,000 3.7%
118 Burkina Faso 112,000,000 1.4%
119 Honduras 105,000,000 0.8%
120 Madagascar 103,000,000b 1.1%
121 Guinea 99,800,000f 2.2%f
122 Mozambique 92,500,000 0.8%
123 Jamaica 80,300,000 0.6%
124 Rwanda 72,700,000 1.5%
125 Mongolia 71,000,000a 1.4%a
126 Benin 67,700,000b 1.1%
127 Tajikistan 63,400,000f 2.2%f
128 Swaziland 60,000,000a 1.9%a
129 Togo 57,000,000 1.9%
130 Uzbekistan 52,000,000d 1.9%d
131 Malta 51,600,000 0.7%
132 Fiji 48,400,000b 1.3%
133 Malawi 45,100,000a 1.5%a
134 Sierra Leone 44,600,000b 2.4%
135 Burundi 43,900,000 4.0%
136 Lesotho 43,600,000 1.6%
137 Niger 43,000,000g 0.5%g
138 Nicaragua 41,700,000 0.7%
139 Papua New Guinea 37,200,000 0.4%
140 Central African Republic 36,700,000 1.6%
141 Djibouti 36,300,000b 3.7%
142 Moldova 27,500,000 0.6%
143 Laos 21,200,000g 0.4%
144 Guinea-Bissau 16,800,000g 3.8%g
145 Belize 15,600,000b 1.1%
146 Mauritius 15,300,000b 0.2%
147 Iceland 12,200,000 0.1%
148 Cape Verde 8,800,000 0.5%
149 Guyana 7,900,000h 0.8%h
150 Liberia 7,100,000 0.6%
151 Seychelles 6,600,000 1.3%
152 Gambia, The 5,300,000a 0.5%a
153 North Korea Not reported na i
154 Zimbabwe Not reported 1.9%c

the countries with higher gdp% spend are generally more repressive police states

They could go to war, in fact they are in a war, the war on terror. For a proper war, we'd need more troops more war machines things like that. The thing is, even tho the stock market crashed, the US was still a rich nation, it still had its mining operations as well as the money they saved in the boom before hand.

Thinking about that, we also forget about the similar boom before the crash, before 2008 everything was going swimmingly, just like the boom before 1929. How do we miss obvious things like this.

Let's not forget who owns US debt...the biggest creditor is...the US people...the biggest foreign creditor is China. Did you see my earlier post about how to get "rid" of debt...item #4?

what will the trigger be?

iran is obviously in the sights.

Agreed!

Wide scale war isn't possible anymore without the usage of nuclear weaponry. Aka.. everyone dies.

Hello are you people moron's do you know if ww3 starts game over every body dies ever hear of nukes

Your just sayin' (sic) it 'cause (sic) Einstein said it!

Where the hell have you been? What do you think the DUMBs are for...Deep Underground Military Bases...what do you think FEMA has the underground shelters for...why do you think the Russians are building like 5,000 new bomb shelters (original completion date of like 2018...but now 2012)? Hello?

War is only logical if one believes it is logical to kill as a lazy way to improve one's standard of living.

Unfortunately, there is not much sympathy for a poor child that steals to get food for his family, but if you take that same boy, put him in a uniform and send him out to kill, the economic reward when he gets home is considered legal tender.

War is a lazy man's exit out of poverty. War is unnecessary.

The work projects of the late 30's put us on the path to recovery. War was not necessary. Instead of Battleships and fighters, we could have built cruise-liners and commercial jets. Instead of military training, we could have been putting more towards education training. Instead of buying war bonds, we could have purchased peace bonds.

This economic downturn was unnecessary, and was brought about by the banking mortgage crisis. David Rockefeller and other Illuminati worked 50 years to bring us to this point so that they obtain their "thrice driven war."

They believe in an ethic called "Creative Destruction." Basically you must destroy to change into something better.
He is wrong. What it would take are people who see urban renewal without the necessity of bombs, technology enhancement without the threat of death.

It takes courage. Obama looked like he might have it....thought he would fight big oil and create a giant alternative energy work project, but he was bought and paid for by the bankers.

The world will continue this "creative destruction" cycle because David Rockefeller and his buddies wish to create a new world order with....get this...Bankers and intellectually elite ruling the world.

The problem is, it has been those bankers and the self titled "intellectually elite", through the central banking system, that have perpetuated this cycle of "creative destruction."

They care not about shortening your life or mine. They care not about mutilating our children around the world with cluster bombs, depleted uranium, and the like.

They only care about maintaining their power through destruction and death.

They are immoral, cynical, power hungry and unfortunately, very good at creating conditions to bring us to war. They divide us and conquer us. They own all sides.

They abhor a classless society. They do not wish all people to be on equal footing, benefit from equal education and work towards a society where our minimum needs are easily met, jobs are rarely necessary, and we instead contribute due to our human need for symbiotic relationships with each other and the earth, curiosity and a desire to improve.

They would rather wipe out 7.5 billion than have peace on earth.

Last Edited by humuhumunukuapuaa on 09/22/2011 05:21 PM

War only works for slaves.

It would be a cold war, because everybody would be to scared to fire off the first nuke. Remember Russia.

Hello fellow Hawaiian! If you haven't already...you might want to read, "The Report from Iron Mountain..." Do NOT listen to the BS that that report was a fake. That is the REAL DEAL. Much of what was in it...is coming true today...like claiming climate change...or a UFO invasion...all to control the masses. "The Report" was leaked in 1967...but, was written in the Kennedy Administration.

as Obama speech on the UN last wed, he always keep saying WAR!

"Now we have learned that no matter how much we love peace and hate war, we cannot avoid having war brought upon us if there are convulsions in other parts of the world."

Short answer is yes, the only way out, as usual.

Aloha. I go there when I can, but I am not a resident.
I'll read the "Report." Thanks

Thanks.

In ancient society, there was a tradition in some communities that all debt would be forgiven every 50 years.

Such a system would not work with the speculators of today.
However:

1. Tougher usury laws with much lower interest restrictions.
2. Ending the Federal Reserve which is a useless middleman profiting on the backs of others just because they have the right to create money out of thin air.
3. Constitutional Amendment only allowing one issue per piece of legislation...some states have this.
4. Pay as you go constitutional amendment for congress.
5. An effort to transform our economy from a military based economy toward a more self-sustaining economy.

It's coming, crash the dollar, world war, then world currency!

Seems like it will be the only way out...