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EINSTEIN WRONG: Particles Clocked Moving Faster Than Light at CERN

 
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One of the absolute pillars of science - that nothing can go faster than the speed of light - appears to have been upended by a sub-atomic particle in an experiment in Switzerland.

Scientists at the world's largest physics lab outside Geneva said on Thursday they have clocked neutrinos travelling faster than light.

That's something that according to Albert Einstein's 1905 special theory of relativity - the famous E=mc2 equation - just doesn't happen.

[link to news.ninemsn.com.au]
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Wouldn't entanglement theory have already suggested that?

Also; couldn't a 'thought' travel faster than the speed of light?
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That's the uncertainty of quantum mechanics.

If two beings separated by 10 light years think exactly the same thing at exactly the same time, is it because they've shared a thought or is it just coincidence?

Quantum entanglement allows for there to be a connection between the two that's operating in factors well in excess of the speed of light.

Personally, I think we're missing out on a fundamental universal process that we're not able to quantify - something that underlies everything.

Say for example, in the physical world, you've got the speed of light as a physical limit, that still needs a foundation on which it's applied, and that foundation would need to function in excess of that physical speed to ensure that the speed exists.. kind of the like the speed of reality or something.

One thing I've always wondered with relativity too:

If I shine a torch from a train moving to point A, then the light in the local field is not in excess of the speed of light because it's moving relative to the train. However, where the light has moved out of that local field and is perceived as point A, then somewhere inbetween, it has to be moving at speed of light + train velocity. Where is that point?
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The 1st Dimension (spacial) is under this 2nd Dimension Space! thumbs

The True Theory of Relativity stipulates:

"Everything is Relative to Source and Source is Relative to Everything!" - Old Toad Proverb

I'm wondering what direction they shot the neutron? hmm If they shot it westwardly, then they are going with earth's flow and that would speed it up, which is exactly what occurred in the Time Dialation experiments. wait

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um people..we made up time..it's a cycle we measure. and those measurements aren't exact by any means..everything we made up or defined is therefore susceptible to being wrong.
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its as made up as money!
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if there were only two objects in space and they were moving away from each other at 75% of the speed of light each

and people lived on one planet. to them it seems that they are sitting still and the other object is going 50% faster than the speed of light.

all motion is relative, to the observer, or a specific point in space.

you can never not be moving because you are always moving compared to another object ^^
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Misleading title, needs to be verified yet =0p

I kinda hope its true.. Just because it feels like humanity needs a new way of think'n.
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To all those who are wondering if this opens the door to time travel, or at least more keen research on the subject, the idea that going faster than light = time travel is based on the same flawed assumptions that light speed = the speed limit of everything.

So, in a word, no.
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If proven correct this shatters mainstream physics foundations.
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Indeed.

This is freaking huge
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Einstein was not wrong, his theory was incomplete. They are still trying to complete it.
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among other things, Einstein wasn't working
with 11 dimensions and parallel universes like Physics is today.
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Which is UTTER bullshit! smileyyouarestup

There are only 3 Dimensions in this Open System Universe and your 11 Dimensions are in a Closed Sysem Universe, which only exists in your Closed Mind!

forsalesmiley

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well, whatever frame of reference 11 dimensions relate to,
modern physics thinks that the mathematics of 11 dimensions
is pretty important to "the theory of everything".
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That would be Prof. Kaku, who is a crackpot!

The True Theory of Everything is the Perpetual Motion Universe Theory, which explains the 3 Dimensions (2 of Space & 1 of Time), along with Bi-dimensional Transdermal Energy Transfer, which explains how the energy created by the huge magneto generators, known as spiral galaxies, is transferred from this spacial dimension to the spacial dimension over/under this one, and how the excess energy is expelled out the massive DUAL back-to-back black holes at the center of ALL spiral galaxies. sun

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a particle with mass cannot be accelerated to the speed of light

particles without mass (like photons) can travel at the speed of light
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I think if the mass of the particle increased then it could go faster than light..
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It was a "neutrino" or something right?

Maybe it converted into light or..... whatever :o
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I think if the mass of the particle increased then it could go faster than light..
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no, but if it had negative mass ???
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a government study in 2008 and again in 2012 showed over 50% of the measured population were really, really stupid

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All - people are getting hyped about this and missing the obvious. If true, time is SLOWING DOWN....thus allowing the particle to travel 'faster'.

What if something is going on with our sense of time, and light in our section of space time has slowed down.... think about it
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Bingo!!!! You got it! They keep saying time is speeding up, but it is actually slowing down.
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a particle with mass cannot be accelerated to the speed of light

particles without mass (like photons) can travel at the speed of light
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Thanks for that Mr Flat-Earth ;)
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einstein wasn't wrong. reduced mass = faster than light potential. I.E. UFOs, some "vibrate" higher.
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this is a cool article on the subject:

Faster-than-Light
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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"When" proven...this destroys physics which in turn destroys 98% of all atheists...rofl

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If proven correct this shatters mainstream physics foundations.
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Jesus Christ rules!
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if there were only two objects in space and they were moving away from each other at 75% of the speed of light each

and people lived on one planet. to them it seems that they are sitting still and the other object is going 50% faster than the speed of light.

all motion is relative, to the observer, or a specific point in space.

you can never not be moving because you are always moving compared to another object ^^
 Quoting: ripple in time


time is an illusion, it tricks you into thinking that there is a future and past.

some one once aked me " about an hour ago i went outside for a ciggarette.

If we are not moving through time, 'where' is that man who was/is outside having a ciggarette?

Is he and i the same and the the time i experience separating him and I just a measurment of movement?


Where has he gone?

Where is he now?"

i think your forgetting that you MOVED since then
it doesnt leave an old you in time...u changed since then
time is a measurement of what changed

the happening is the changes you are making
time is... measuring the change of a constant... like orbiting the sun


if there weren't two points in space, it wouldn't exist

things are going to constantly move...never ending journey through the cosmos.and with the power to understand it is the greatest gift god could give to man! "the power of comprehension" most animals dont get to have such a gift.

Einstein once said "if you sit with a girl you like for a few hours it seems like a few minutes
but if you put your hand on a hot stove for a few minutes it seems like a few hours."

i love that. it makes me think or how there are an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2 the same 1 and 2 you measure time with therefore time is happening as fast as you can precieve it.

dont think of it as a time line...you dont flow through time. simply...things are, and they change
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Time is kNot an illusion, your Space-Time of Math is the illusion! math_smiley

Also, We are kNot moving through Time, We are moving IN Time. wait

Furthermore, perception is NOT the Truth! naughty It, along with your conceptual illusions, are what distort your take on the physical portion of reality. ballandchain

Rid yourself of your conceptual and perceptual illusions to see the Truth of the physical. That's the Key to Overcoming your closed minded flawed self. smileyshake

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Greetings:

The "Speed Of Light" Is A Terrestrial Made Up Thing ... A "Constant" In Which Terrestrial Scientists Can Build A Concensus ... Can Make Agreement !!

"Light" Of That Which You Call Such Energy ... Is Variable In "Perceived" "Speed, Distance & Motion" !! ... It Acts & Reacts Differently To Various Things/Phenomena ... As Such The "Travel Time" Is Always Different ... Therefore There Is No Constant !!

As To "Albert Einstein" His Works Were Not His Own ... Only Works & Theories That Were From "Other Sources" ... Namely Other Beings/Persons !! ... Of His "Name Recognition" Credit For Such "Theories" ... Belong To & With The Originators ... Not The Onces Who Had "Moved In" & Took Their Ideas !!

Farewell For Now !!

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thx
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"When" proven...this destroys physics which in turn destroys 98% of all atheists...rofl

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If proven correct this shatters mainstream physics foundations.
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among other things, Einstein wasn't working
with 11 dimensions and parallel universes like Physics is today.
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Which is UTTER bullshit! smileyyouarestup

There are only 3 Dimensions in this Open System Universe and your 11 Dimensions are in a Closed Sysem Universe, which only exists in your Closed Mind!

forsalesmiley

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well, whatever frame of reference 11 dimensions relate to,
modern physics thinks that the mathematics of 11 dimensions
is pretty important to "the theory of everything".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1593642


That would be Prof. Kaku, who is a crackpot!

The True Theory of Everything is the Perpetual Motion Universe Theory, which explains the 3 Dimensions (2 of Space & 1 of Time), along with Bi-dimensional Transdermal Energy Transfer, which explains how the energy created by the huge magneto generators, known as spiral galaxies, is transferred from this spacial dimension to the spacial dimension over/under this one, and how the excess energy is expelled out the massive DUAL back-to-back black holes at the center of ALL spiral galaxies. sun

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Since this fascinates me: Is it possible to "bump" time? In other words -- do you think that it is possible that people who "see the future" actually see or participate in a future event for let's say a 10 second "bump" and then come back to this linear time/space and tell what they saw? Have you ever considered if it was possible to somehow "bend" time? Just want your opinion.
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"When" proven...this destroys physics which in turn destroys 98% of all atheists...rofl

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If proven correct this shatters mainstream physics foundations.
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That isn't even remotely true. It doesn't "destroy" physics, it only furthers our understanding of it. It is quite clear you don't have the slightest idea at all of what you are talking about.
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"When" proven...this destroys physics which in turn destroys 98% of all atheists...rofl

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If proven correct this shatters mainstream physics foundations.
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 Quoting: mrvdreamknight


That isn't even remotely true. It doesn't "destroy" physics, it only furthers our understanding of it. It is quite clear you don't have the slightest idea at all of what you are talking about.
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here's a cool article on the subject:

Faster-than-Light
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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All - people are getting hyped about this and missing the obvious. If true, time is SLOWING DOWN....thus allowing the particle to travel 'faster'.

What if something is going on with our sense of time, and light in our section of space time has slowed down.... think about it
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Or it's completely possible that a photon isn't the fastest little bugger around - Mr. Neutrino is.

Simply put, this would change everything! Do we really reach infinite mass the closer to the speed of light we travel? (solid objects) If not, then not only is interstellar travel an sudden possibility, it would make me rethink the possibility that people from other inhabited star systems may have actually visited here and all of the people who have spun those crazy stories about beings from other worlds - suddenly aren't so crazy after all.

I see some interesting possibilities here if the findings prove to be correct, but I also see some amazing difficulty retraining a society whose association with time, as well as their perception of reality, is based on the speed of a photon.
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Einstein was not wrong, his theory was incomplete. They are still trying to complete it.
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among other things, Einstein wasn't working
with 11 dimensions and parallel universes like Physics is today.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1593642


Which is UTTER bullshit! :smileyyouarestup:

There are only 3 Dimensions in this Open System Universe and your 11 Dimensions are in a Closed Sysem Universe, which only exists in your Closed Mind!

:forsalesmiley:

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Quoting:

"So now, we can't sarcastically call someone who f's up an Einstein. It will have to be a literal comment."

The Words You Are Seeking ... Are "Claim Jumper" ... As In The Old Gold Rush Days ... When Others Did The Physical Work ... And Someone's Come In ... & Stake/Stole Their Claim !!

It Was This Way With "Albert Einstein" ... The Simple Explanation As To Why He Could Not Make "Heads Or Tails" Of Some Of "His Theories" IS ... Because They WERE NOT ... "His Theories" ... He Simply Took Others Works ... & Had Them "Patented" Before The Originator Could Act ... Thereby ... The Originator Was Shut Out ... In The Cold ... While A "Recognisable Name" Took The Credit ... & Gained Honors That Were Not Deserved !!

As An Example Of One Who Actually Was "A Brain/Genius" ... (Rather Then One Who "Gained From Others") ... Consider Nikola Tesla ... Who Worked For/With Thomas Elva Edison ... In Which "Edison" Did Pretty Much The Same Thing As "Einstein" ... Gaining In Honors & Recognition ... Through The Works Of Others ... Which They "Claimed" Was Of Their Own Doings !!

Farewell For Now !!

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To all those who are wondering if this opens the door to time travel, or at least more keen research on the subject, the idea that going faster than light = time travel is based on the same flawed assumptions that light speed = the speed limit of everything.

So, in a word, no.
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Traveling faster than light speed is easy. Just open a hole in Time, via two time portals (stargates), and step in one and out the other, in a finite amount of time and the distance is irrelevant. The link-up process, between the two time portals, occurs with the two time portals communicating with each other thru time, which also occurs in a finite amount of time, so communication between the two is like talking to someone standing next to you. thumbs

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One of the absolute pillars of science - that nothing can go faster than the speed of light - appears to have been upended by a sub-atomic particle in an experiment in Switzerland.

Scientists at the world's largest physics lab outside Geneva said on Thursday they have clocked neutrinos travelling faster than light.

That's something that according to Albert Einstein's 1905 special theory of relativity - the famous E=mc2 equation - just doesn't happen.

[link to news.ninemsn.com.au]
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I view this as good news, but watch and see what happens. It will be marginalized and hushed up. Shortly after the publication of relativity a US scientist confirmed the existence of the ether, repairing the flawed Michaelson Morley experiment. His results were ridiculed and hushed up.

[link to www.orgonelab.org]

I don't think they can allow this result to stand up because it might lead to things like anti-gravity and free energy and so forth.

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