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Abaddon / Apollyon is the Prince of Israel who must appear first before Christ returns

 
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Mars and the sceptre will be in conjunction,
a calamitous war under Cancer.
A short time afterwards a new king will be anointed
who will bring peace to the earth for a long time.
 Quoting: Nostradamus C6 Q24


Apollyon will be crowned king shortly after this calamitous war takes place.

The earthquake swarms happening near Lake Van and Mount Nemrut (the Abyss), is another sign that Apollyon is about to open it.
Thread: The Lake Van monster is the original serpent that tempted Adam and Eve
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you'll bow down to apollo alright.

you'll be the 1st to take the mark of the beast.
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Michael will come as the angel/messenger of Christ who comes before him, anyone who rejects Michael when he appears also rejects Christ who sent him and will not be saved.
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Your knowledge is weak . You are preaching a anti gospel.
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you'll bow down to apollo alright.

you'll be the 1st to take the mark of the beast.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1556699


Michael will come as the angel/messenger of Christ who comes before him, anyone who rejects Michael when he appears also rejects Christ who sent him and will not be saved.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


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Your knowledge is weak . You are preaching a anti gospel.
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And your knowledge is?
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I will allow the Bible leaves Apollyon open for interpretation

Michael is specifically named in the Bible at times he shows up

this is surmisal but I would think if Apollyon were Michael the Bible might say that

again -- open for interpretation. conjecture

to categorically dogmatically state who Apollyon is and what he does beyond what the Bible says is -- in my opinion -- unwise.

and probably unnecessary. anyone can guess and post an opinion. but it is still just that -- a guess. I get a weird feeling researching -/ like I'm looking into things I ought not.

remember if even an angel comes along preaching a different gospel, we are not to regard it. and we are never to worship angels. repeatedly they told people not to in the Bible

stick close to Jesus and the Bible -- the gospel message -- and you can't go wrong :-)

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I will allow the Bible leaves Apollyon open for interpretation

Michael is specifically named in the Bible at times he shows up

this is surmisal but I would think if Apollyon were Michael the Bible might say that

again -- open for interpretation. conjecture

to categorically dogmatically state who Apollyon is and what he does beyond what the Bible says is -- in my opinion -- unwise.

and probably unnecessary. anyone can guess and post an opinion. but it is still just that -- a guess. I get a weird feeling researching -/ like I'm looking into things I ought not.

remember if even an angel comes along preaching a different gospel, we are not to regard it. and we are never to worship angels. repeatedly they told people not to in the Bible

stick close to Jesus and the Bible -- the gospel message -- and you can't go wrong :-)

love rb
 Quoting: rb 4351424


Michael, when he appears, will not preach a different gospel, however, his interpretation of the gospel (or the scriptures) will be different from how majority of so-called christians interpret it now.

For this reason, majority will reject Michael, and as punishment, the antichrist will appear after Michael's rejection, and the antichrist will be accepted by those who rejected Michael.

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness
 Quoting: 2 Thessalonians


Case in point, some christians believe in pretribulation rapture, while others do not. So who is believing the truth and who is believing a lie?

Is one group preaching a different gospel or is the interpretation of the gospel just different?

Another case in point, is Apollyon a demon or an archangel of God?

Am I preaching a different gospel when I say Apollyon is an archangel, or is my interpretation of the gospel just different?

When Michael comes, he will reveal the correct interpretation of the entire sacred scriptures, but most christians will not agree with his interpretations, and therefore will reject him as an antichrist.

Now if your interpretation of the gospels (or the sacred scriptures) is wrong, do you really believe you have accepted the true gospel of Christ?

No single denomination or sect of christianity today can claim that their interpretation of the gospels is 100% correct, and this is the reason why the power of the Holy Spirit does not manifest in the churches nowadays.

Michael will come to correct this, and those who accept the truth he preaches will receive the power of the Holy Spirit, in the same manner that the 1st century christians did during Pentecost.

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OP, I completely disagree with your understanding of who apollyon is.........While I don't hope to change your mind, I would like to present my understanding of who this fallen angel is.... And I am going to pull from a site who puts it together really nicely.




The "sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6:2, 4 are identified as angels in the Book of Enoch. This was the commonly accepted understanding of this Scripture until at least two centuries after Yeshua. For additional information on what the Bible teaches about these sons of God, refer to "Genesis 6 - Who Were 'The Sons Of God'?"

As you can see from the list of angelic chiefs named above, Azazel was not one of the angels specified as having come down on Mount Hermon. An angel named Semjaza is identified as the leader of the small group of angels who lusted after human women. However, we soon see Azazel appear in the antediluvian world:

ENOCH 8:1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. . . . (The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, R.H. Charles)

Although Azazel is not initially listed among the rulers of the 200 angels who came down to earth to mate with human women, he appears soon after this event. Later in the book (Enoch 54:4), Azazel is shown to be the ruler of this host of rebellious angels. Azazel, a powerful, high-ranking evil angel, apparently sought to take advantage of the lawless environment in the period of angelic rebellion before the Flood to wreak havoc on humanity. He accomplished this by teaching mankind how to make weapons and the art of warfare, among other things. This displeased God greatly, and Enoch shows that He decreed a stiff punishment for Azazel's sins:

ENOCH 10:1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, 2 and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come 3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape 4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.' And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening 5 in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may 6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. . . . 8 . . . the whole earth has been corrupted 9 through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin. (The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, R.H. Charles)

We see from the excerpt we just read that Azazel's punishment was to be bound and cast into an opening made in the desert and sealed up there, covered by rough and jagged stones in darkness. He was to remain in this place until the time of his judgment, when he would then be cast into the fire.

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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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OP, I completely disagree with your understanding of who apollyon is.........While I don't hope to change your mind, I would like to present my understanding of who this fallen angel is.... And I am going to pull from a site who puts it together really nicely.




The "sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6:2, 4 are identified as angels in the Book of Enoch. This was the commonly accepted understanding of this Scripture until at least two centuries after Yeshua. For additional information on what the Bible teaches about these sons of God, refer to "Genesis 6 - Who Were 'The Sons Of God'?"

As you can see from the list of angelic chiefs named above, Azazel was not one of the angels specified as having come down on Mount Hermon. An angel named Semjaza is identified as the leader of the small group of angels who lusted after human women. However, we soon see Azazel appear in the antediluvian world:

ENOCH 8:1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. . . . (The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, R.H. Charles)

Although Azazel is not initially listed among the rulers of the 200 angels who came down to earth to mate with human women, he appears soon after this event. Later in the book (Enoch 54:4), Azazel is shown to be the ruler of this host of rebellious angels. Azazel, a powerful, high-ranking evil angel, apparently sought to take advantage of the lawless environment in the period of angelic rebellion before the Flood to wreak havoc on humanity. He accomplished this by teaching mankind how to make weapons and the art of warfare, among other things. This displeased God greatly, and Enoch shows that He decreed a stiff punishment for Azazel's sins:

ENOCH 10:1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, 2 and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come 3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape 4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.' And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening 5 in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may 6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. . . . 8 . . . the whole earth has been corrupted 9 through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin. (The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, R.H. Charles)

We see from the excerpt we just read that Azazel's punishment was to be bound and cast into an opening made in the desert and sealed up there, covered by rough and jagged stones in darkness. He was to remain in this place until the time of his judgment, when he would then be cast into the fire.

[link to www.herealittletherealittle.net]
 Quoting: Shamar


I am aware of the rebellious angels, and the Book of Enoch, but where in the book of Enoch does it say that Apollyon is a rebellious angel?
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OP, I completely disagree with your understanding of who apollyon is.........While I don't hope to change your mind, I would like to present my understanding of who this fallen angel is.... And I am going to pull from a site who puts it together really nicely.




The "sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6:2, 4 are identified as angels in the Book of Enoch. This was the commonly accepted understanding of this Scripture until at least two centuries after Yeshua. For additional information on what the Bible teaches about these sons of God, refer to "Genesis 6 - Who Were 'The Sons Of God'?"

As you can see from the list of angelic chiefs named above, Azazel was not one of the angels specified as having come down on Mount Hermon. An angel named Semjaza is identified as the leader of the small group of angels who lusted after human women. However, we soon see Azazel appear in the antediluvian world:

ENOCH 8:1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. . . . (The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, R.H. Charles)

Although Azazel is not initially listed among the rulers of the 200 angels who came down to earth to mate with human women, he appears soon after this event. Later in the book (Enoch 54:4), Azazel is shown to be the ruler of this host of rebellious angels. Azazel, a powerful, high-ranking evil angel, apparently sought to take advantage of the lawless environment in the period of angelic rebellion before the Flood to wreak havoc on humanity. He accomplished this by teaching mankind how to make weapons and the art of warfare, among other things. This displeased God greatly, and Enoch shows that He decreed a stiff punishment for Azazel's sins:

ENOCH 10:1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, 2 and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come 3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape 4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.' And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening 5 in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may 6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. . . . 8 . . . the whole earth has been corrupted 9 through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin. (The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, R.H. Charles)

We see from the excerpt we just read that Azazel's punishment was to be bound and cast into an opening made in the desert and sealed up there, covered by rough and jagged stones in darkness. He was to remain in this place until the time of his judgment, when he would then be cast into the fire.

[link to www.herealittletherealittle.net]
 Quoting: Shamar


I am aware of the rebellious angels, and the Book of Enoch, but where in the book of Enoch does it say that Apollyon is a rebellious angel?
another do
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


assuming you realize that Azazel and Apollyon are the same entity, how do you not see that he is rebellious against the most high Elohim?
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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assuming you realize that Azazel and Apollyon are the same entity, how do you not see that he is rebellious against the most high Elohim?
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Where does it say Apollyon and Azazel are the same entity?
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assuming you realize that Azazel and Apollyon are the same entity, how do you not see that he is rebellious against the most high Elohim?
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Where does it say Apollyon and Azazel are the same entity?
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


my bad........rev. 9:11 refers to abaddon. It is my own studies that have revealed that azazel and abaddon are the same.

1And they have over them a sovereign, the messenger of the pit of the deep, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apolluon.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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assuming you realize that Azazel and Apollyon are the same entity, how do you not see that he is rebellious against the most high Elohim?
 Quoting: Shamar


Where does it say Apollyon and Azazel are the same entity?
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


my bad........rev. 9:11 refers to abaddon. It is my own studies that have revealed that azazel and abaddon are the same.

1And they have over them a sovereign, the messenger of the pit of the deep, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apolluon.
 Quoting: Shamar


Where does it say that Azazel and Abaddon are the same?

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assuming you realize that Azazel and Apollyon are the same entity, how do you not see that he is rebellious against the most high Elohim?
 Quoting: Shamar


Where does it say Apollyon and Azazel are the same entity?
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


my bad........rev. 9:11 refers to abaddon. It is my own studies that have revealed that azazel and abaddon are the same.

1And they have over them a sovereign, the messenger of the pit of the deep, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apolluon.
 Quoting: Shamar


Where does it say that Azazel and Abaddon are the same?
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


It doesn't.... specifically. It is my own studies that lead to that conclusion. The link I provided pulls it together the most succinctly of any site i have come across
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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assuming you realize that Azazel and Apollyon are the same entity, how do you not see that he is rebellious against the most high Elohim?
 Quoting: Shamar


Where does it say Apollyon and Azazel are the same entity?
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


my bad........rev. 9:11 refers to abaddon. It is my own studies that have revealed that azazel and abaddon are the same.

1And they have over them a sovereign, the messenger of the pit of the deep, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apolluon.
 Quoting: Shamar


Where does it say that Azazel and Abaddon are the same?
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


have you done much studying on the nephilim; the merovignian bloodlines?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Where does it say that Azazel and Abaddon are the same?
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


It doesn't.... specifically. It is my own studies that lead to that conclusion. The link I provided pulls it together the most succinctly of any site i have come across
 Quoting: Shamar


Here is one reason why Azazel and Abaddon (the destroyer) are not the same entity. The book of Enoch tells us that Azazel was bound in the desert of Dudael by Raphael before the Great Flood. On the other hand, Abaddon (or the destroyer) was freely roaming Egypt, smiting their firstborn, at the time of the Passover:
23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
 Quoting: Exodus 12


What is the Abyss?

I believe the Abyss is Sheol:
Sheol is the "grave", "pit", or "abyss" in Hebrew. She'ol is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures. It is a place of darkness to which all dead go, regardless of the moral choices made in life, and where they are "removed from the light of God" (see the Book of Job). In the Tanakh sheol is the common destination of both the righteous and the unrighteous flesh (who died), as recounted in Ecclesiastes and Job.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia


Is the locust army of Abaddon good or evil?

According to the Levitical dietary laws, locusts were classified as "clean" for food. And locust plagues were sometimes used as agents of God's wrath against those who opposed Him:
[link to www.keyway.ca]

Why are the locusts seen as having human faces and wearing crowns of gold?

Because these locusts are the souls of Christ's followers who remained faithful to him even to the point of death:
Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.
 Quoting: Revelation 2


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What is the Abyss?

I believe the Abyss is Sheol:
Sheol is the "grave", "pit", or "abyss" in Hebrew. She'ol is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures. It is a place of darkness to which all dead go, regardless of the moral choices made in life, and where they are "removed from the light of God" (see the Book of Job). In the Tanakh sheol is the common destination of both the righteous and the unrighteous flesh (who died), as recounted in Ecclesiastes and Job.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia


 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Personally (because of the work I do and what I've seen), I believe that these so called 'Underground Bases' may play a part in all this Abyss stuff.

That would explain Abyss in the fourth dimensional logic...

Atlantean style under-the-sea military base.

In other words you guys are both right... water and earth.

They have to bio-engineer this creature in a very secret place... so that it's energies do not affect us 'above ground' folk. Just my take on it.

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What is the Abyss?

I believe the Abyss is Sheol:
Sheol is the "grave", "pit", or "abyss" in Hebrew. She'ol is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures. It is a place of darkness to which all dead go, regardless of the moral choices made in life, and where they are "removed from the light of God" (see the Book of Job). In the Tanakh sheol is the common destination of both the righteous and the unrighteous flesh (who died), as recounted in Ecclesiastes and Job.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia


 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Personally (because of the work I do and what I've seen), I believe that these so called 'Underground Bases' may play a part in all this Abyss stuff.

That would explain Abyss in the fourth dimensional logic...

Atlantean style under-the-sea military base.

In other words you guys are both right... water and earth.

They have to bio-engineer this creature in a very secret place... so that it's energies do not affect us 'above ground' folk. Just my take on it.

 Quoting: Uncle Mikey


I believe the Abyss is where souls are created and where souls return to when people die. This is why I believe Eden (where Adam was created) is the Abyss.

The following thread discussed why Mount Nemrut volcano (near Lake Van) could actually be Eden:

Thread: The Lake Van monster is the original serpent that tempted Adam and Eve

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What is the Abyss?

I believe the Abyss is Sheol:
Sheol is the "grave", "pit", or "abyss" in Hebrew. She'ol is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures. It is a place of darkness to which all dead go, regardless of the moral choices made in life, and where they are "removed from the light of God" (see the Book of Job). In the Tanakh sheol is the common destination of both the righteous and the unrighteous flesh (who died), as recounted in Ecclesiastes and Job.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia


 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Personally (because of the work I do and what I've seen), I believe that these so called 'Underground Bases' may play a part in all this Abyss stuff.

That would explain Abyss in the fourth dimensional logic...

Atlantean style under-the-sea military base.

In other words you guys are both right... water and earth.

They have to bio-engineer this creature in a very secret place... so that it's energies do not affect us 'above ground' folk. Just my take on it.

 Quoting: Uncle Mikey


I believe the Abyss is where souls are created and where souls return to when people die. This is why I believe Eden (where Adam was created) is the Abyss.

The following thread discussed why Mount Nemrut volcano (near Lake Van) could actually be Eden:

Thread: The Lake Van monster is the original serpent that tempted Adam and Eve
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Eden, The Abyss, Valhalla, the afterlife, heaven whatever you want to call it is another dimension. It has no physical place IMHO as it exists alongside, within or above and below this dimension. You can get there with meditation.
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What is the Abyss?

I believe the Abyss is Sheol:
...


 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Personally (because of the work I do and what I've seen), I believe that these so called 'Underground Bases' may play a part in all this Abyss stuff.

That would explain Abyss in the fourth dimensional logic...

Atlantean style under-the-sea military base.

In other words you guys are both right... water and earth.

They have to bio-engineer this creature in a very secret place... so that it's energies do not affect us 'above ground' folk. Just my take on it.

 Quoting: Uncle Mikey


I believe the Abyss is where souls are created and where souls return to when people die. This is why I believe Eden (where Adam was created) is the Abyss.

The following thread discussed why Mount Nemrut volcano (near Lake Van) could actually be Eden:

Thread: The Lake Van monster is the original serpent that tempted Adam and Eve
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Eden, The Abyss, Valhalla, the afterlife, heaven whatever you want to call it is another dimension. It has no physical place IMHO as it exists alongside, within or above and below this dimension. You can get there with meditation.
 Quoting: Molock


The gate (or singularity) to this other dimension is inside the crater of Mount Nemrut, or Eden.

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Where does it say that Azazel and Abaddon are the same?
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


It doesn't.... specifically. It is my own studies that lead to that conclusion. The link I provided pulls it together the most succinctly of any site i have come across
 Quoting: Shamar


Here is one reason why Azazel and Abaddon (the destroyer) are not the same entity. The book of Enoch tells us that Azazel was bound in the desert of Dudael by Raphael before the Great Flood. On the other hand, Abaddon (or the destroyer) was freely roaming Egypt, smiting their firstborn, at the time of the Passover:
23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
 Quoting: Exodus 12


What is the Abyss?

I believe the Abyss is Sheol:
Sheol is the "grave", "pit", or "abyss" in Hebrew. She'ol is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures. It is a place of darkness to which all dead go, regardless of the moral choices made in life, and where they are "removed from the light of God" (see the Book of Job). In the Tanakh sheol is the common destination of both the righteous and the unrighteous flesh (who died), as recounted in Ecclesiastes and Job.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia


Is the locust army of Abaddon good or evil?

According to the Levitical dietary laws, locusts were classified as "clean" for food. And locust plagues were sometimes used as agents of God's wrath against those who opposed Him:
[link to www.keyway.ca]

Why are the locusts seen as having human faces and wearing crowns of gold?

Because these locusts are the souls of Christ's followers who remained faithful to him even to the point of death:
Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.
 Quoting: Revelation 2

 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Here is another site that explains that Azazel/Azrael/Abaddon/Apollyon are the same entity....not to far in, even. Pages 15-16:

[link to www.scribd.com]

Regarding the locusts, those are demons....not the souls of Christ's followers....
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

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Where does it say that Azazel and Abaddon are the same?
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


It doesn't.... specifically. It is my own studies that lead to that conclusion. The link I provided pulls it together the most succinctly of any site i have come across
 Quoting: Shamar


Here is one reason why Azazel and Abaddon (the destroyer) are not the same entity. The book of Enoch tells us that Azazel was bound in the desert of Dudael by Raphael before the Great Flood. On the other hand, Abaddon (or the destroyer) was freely roaming Egypt, smiting their firstborn, at the time of the Passover:
23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
 Quoting: Exodus 12


What is the Abyss?

I believe the Abyss is Sheol:
Sheol is the "grave", "pit", or "abyss" in Hebrew. She'ol is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures. It is a place of darkness to which all dead go, regardless of the moral choices made in life, and where they are "removed from the light of God" (see the Book of Job). In the Tanakh sheol is the common destination of both the righteous and the unrighteous flesh (who died), as recounted in Ecclesiastes and Job.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia


Is the locust army of Abaddon good or evil?

According to the Levitical dietary laws, locusts were classified as "clean" for food. And locust plagues were sometimes used as agents of God's wrath against those who opposed Him:
[link to www.keyway.ca]

Why are the locusts seen as having human faces and wearing crowns of gold?

Because these locusts are the souls of Christ's followers who remained faithful to him even to the point of death:
Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.
 Quoting: Revelation 2

 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Here is another site that explains that Azazel/Azrael/Abaddon/Apollyon are the same entity....not to far in, even. Pages 15-16:

[link to www.scribd.com]

Regarding the locusts, those are demons....not the souls of Christ's followers....
 Quoting: Shamar


whatever
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It doesn't.... specifically. It is my own studies that lead to that conclusion. The link I provided pulls it together the most succinctly of any site i have come across
 Quoting: Shamar


Here is one reason why Azazel and Abaddon (the destroyer) are not the same entity. The book of Enoch tells us that Azazel was bound in the desert of Dudael by Raphael before the Great Flood. On the other hand, Abaddon (or the destroyer) was freely roaming Egypt, smiting their firstborn, at the time of the Passover:
23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
 Quoting: Exodus 12


What is the Abyss?

I believe the Abyss is Sheol:
Sheol is the "grave", "pit", or "abyss" in Hebrew. She'ol is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures. It is a place of darkness to which all dead go, regardless of the moral choices made in life, and where they are "removed from the light of God" (see the Book of Job). In the Tanakh sheol is the common destination of both the righteous and the unrighteous flesh (who died), as recounted in Ecclesiastes and Job.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: wikipedia


Is the locust army of Abaddon good or evil?

According to the Levitical dietary laws, locusts were classified as "clean" for food. And locust plagues were sometimes used as agents of God's wrath against those who opposed Him:
[link to www.keyway.ca]

Why are the locusts seen as having human faces and wearing crowns of gold?

Because these locusts are the souls of Christ's followers who remained faithful to him even to the point of death:
Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.
 Quoting: Revelation 2

 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Here is another site that explains that Azazel/Azrael/Abaddon/Apollyon are the same entity....not to far in, even. Pages 15-16:

[link to www.scribd.com]

Regarding the locusts, those are demons....not the souls of Christ's followers....
 Quoting: Shamar


whatever
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect



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Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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1 Blow the trumpet in Zion;
sound the alarm on my holy hill.
Let all who live in the land tremble,
for the day of the LORD is coming.
It is close at hand—
2 a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and blackness.
Like dawn spreading across the mountains
a large and mighty army comes,
such as never was in ancient times
nor ever will be in ages to come.

3 Before them fire devours,
behind them a flame blazes.
Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
behind them, a desert waste—
nothing escapes them.
4 They have the appearance of horses;
they gallop along like cavalry.
5 With a noise like that of chariots
they leap over the mountaintops,
like a crackling fire consuming stubble,
like a mighty army drawn up for battle.

6 At the sight of them, nations are in anguish;
every face turns pale.
7 They charge like warriors;
they scale walls like soldiers.
They all march in line,
not swerving from their course.
8 They do not jostle each other;
each marches straight ahead.
They plunge through defenses
without breaking ranks.
9 They rush upon the city;
they run along the wall.
They climb into the houses;
like thieves they enter through the windows.

10 Before them the earth shakes,
the heavens tremble,
the sun and moon are darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.
11 The LORD thunders
at the head of his army;
his forces are beyond number,
and mighty is the army that obeys his command.

The day of the LORD is great;
it is dreadful.
Who can endure it?
25 “I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten—
the great locust and the young locust,
the other locusts and the locust swarm—
my great army that I sent among you.

26 You will have plenty to eat, until you are full,
and you will praise the name of the LORD your God,
who has worked wonders for you;
never again will my people be shamed.
27 Then you will know that I am in Israel,
that I am the LORD your God,
and that there is no other;
never again will my people be shamed.
 Quoting: Joel 2


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....WOW wat a read....bumpbumpbump
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....WOW wat a read....bumpbumpbump
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Iran and Saudis Acting Out Ancient Messiah Prophecy?

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....WOW wat a read....bumpbumpbump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1524492


Too bad it's not true....the headline grabbed me as well..... don't be deceived.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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....WOW wat a read....bumpbumpbump
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Too bad it's not true....the headline grabbed me as well..... don't be deceived.
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Too bad you're unable to prove Azazel and Abaddon are the same entity. Liar!
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....WOW wat a read....bumpbumpbump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1524492


Too bad it's not true....the headline grabbed me as well..... don't be deceived.
 Quoting: Shamar


Too bad you're unable to prove Azazel and Abaddon are the same entity. Liar!
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Too bad you are unwilling to learn... failure.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.

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