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Abaddon / Apollyon is the Prince of Israel who must appear first before Christ returns

 
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God also uses His holy angels to carry out His judgments. And in the last day, He will use Christ as the judge to condemn sinners to the lake of fire.
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I agree with the above words.

But Apollo is not a "holy" angel. Well, technically he is in the sense that the word "holy" means "to be set apart", but Apollo is set apart for only destruction, he is bound for perdition.
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This thread is about Apollyon and not Apollo.
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THE WORD HOLY IS MEANS A MISSING OR AN INCOMPLETE WHOLE


GREAT EXAMPLE I USE


ONE DAY YOU WALK INTO WHOLE FOODS AND IT WAS CALLED HOLEFOODS.......MEANS SOMETHING WAS TAKEN FROM THE WHOLE.

JUST LIKE THE BIBLE......EVER JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER.....YOU HAVENT LOOKED HARD ENOUGH


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God also uses His holy angels to carry out His judgments. And in the last day, He will use Christ as the judge to condemn sinners to the lake of fire.
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I agree with the above words.

But Apollo is not a "holy" angel. Well, technically he is in the sense that the word "holy" means "to be set apart", but Apollo is set apart for only destruction, he is bound for perdition.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Well then, if God uses both holy and fallen angels to execute His wrath, be careful in labeling which angel is holy or fallen.

Because if Apollyon / Abaddon is a holy angel and you call him fallen or evil instead, he will not hesitate to bind you to the Abyss!

And because christians like you are fast in labeling anyone who isn't Christ as an antichrist, you are likely to condemn Michael as the antichrist when he appears in the world scene.

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Nope. One of God's attributes is His Holy Wrath.

Many times throughout the scripture God distributes His Holy Wrath by the means of wicked and ubholy angencies and agents. Keep in mind, that God will pour out His Holy Wrath on the wicked agents that He used to distribute that wrath as soon as He has finished using them for His holy purpose.
 Quoting: Needles Eye

Blind leading the blind.
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I stand on the firm foundation of the Word of God. You come in defense of Apollo, thus letting all those with eyes to see know whom you serve.
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You are delusional. Where in this thread did I even mention Apollo's name (except just now)? So why are you saying that I come in his defense? Not that I don't welcome his post, because I do :)

You false christians are fast in labeling people and are very judgmental. Just because a person agrees with one staement made by another person doesn't mean he agrees with everything that person says.
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You have misunderstood me. Abbadon/Apollyon IS Apollo! By using the name Apollo I am not refering to a poster on this forum. I am referring to Apollyon, who in your VERY first post, you said was Michael. Michael is not Apollyon/Apollo.

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You have misunderstood me. Abbadon/Apollyon IS Apollo! By using the name Apollo I am not refering to a poster on this forum. I am referring to Apollyon, who in your VERY first post, you said was Michael. Michael is not Apollyon/Apollo.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


And what is your source in claiming Apollyon is one and the same as the Greek god Apollo?

On my part, my claim that Apollyon is a holy angel is based on the fact that the angel of the Abyss is the one that binds Satan to the Abyss, so Apollyon is not one and the same as Satan, or one of his league.

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God also uses His holy angels to carry out His judgments. And in the last day, He will use Christ as the judge to condemn sinners to the lake of fire.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


I agree with the above words.

But Apollo is not a "holy" angel. Well, technically he is in the sense that the word "holy" means "to be set apart", but Apollo is set apart for only destruction, he is bound for perdition.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


You nailed it. So tired of watching the liars mislead people. Appollo is fallen. How many lies have been told to hide this and get men to do his bidding. God will not likely look favorably on this.
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God also uses His holy angels to carry out His judgments. And in the last day, He will use Christ as the judge to condemn sinners to the lake of fire.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


I agree with the above words.

But Apollo is not a "holy" angel. Well, technically he is in the sense that the word "holy" means "to be set apart", but Apollo is set apart for only destruction, he is bound for perdition.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


You nailed it. So tired of watching the liars mislead people. Appollo is fallen. How many lies have been told to hide this and get men to do his bidding. God will not likely look favorably on this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325169


Again, what led you to believe Apollyon is evil? Liar.

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God also uses His holy angels to carry out His judgments. And in the last day, He will use Christ as the judge to condemn sinners to the lake of fire.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


I agree with the above words.

But Apollo is not a "holy" angel. Well, technically he is in the sense that the word "holy" means "to be set apart", but Apollo is set apart for only destruction, he is bound for perdition.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Well then, if God uses both holy and fallen angels to execute His wrath, be careful in labeling which angel is holy or fallen.

Because if Apollyon / Abaddon is a holy angel and you call him fallen or evil instead, he will not hesitate to bind you to the Abyss!
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


I agree we need to be very careful when speaking of God's agents. Jude 1:9-10

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

That is why I responded to your post.

Apollyon is not Michael. Apollyon is the son of perdition referred to in 2 Thessalonins Chapter 2. He is the anti-christ. He is the one that the mystery schools of iniquity have spent centuries in service towards. The one whom they will crown as king of the world.

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You have misunderstood me. Abbadon/Apollyon IS Apollo! By using the name Apollo I am not refering to a poster on this forum. I am referring to Apollyon, who in your VERY first post, you said was Michael. Michael is not Apollyon/Apollo.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


And what is your source in claiming Apollyon is one and the same as the Greek god Apollo?

On my part, my claim that Apollyon is a holy angel is based on the fact that the angel of the Abyss is the one that binds Satan to the Abyss, so Apollyon is not one and the same as Satan, or one of his league.
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I agree we need to be very careful wehn speaking of God's agents. Jude 1:9-10

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

That is why I responded to your post.

Apollyon is not Michael. Apollyon is the son of perdition referred to in 2 Thessalonins Chapter 2. He is the anti-christ. He is the one that the mystery schools of iniquity have spent centuries in service towards. The one whom they will crown as king of the world.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Again, you haven't given one good argument to prove your claim Apollyon is evil, other than your gross misinterpretation of the scriptures.
20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
 Quoting: Isaiah 5


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Anti;

I am curious, are you Orthodox or Jehovah Witness in your following?

Your interpt of Apollyon is very like both of those versions of the faith.
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And your point is?
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Anti;

I am curious, are you Orthodox or Jehovah Witness in your following?

Your interpt of Apollyon is very like both of those versions of the faith.
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I am an independent thinker.
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God also uses His holy angels to carry out His judgments. And in the last day, He will use Christ as the judge to condemn sinners to the lake of fire.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


I agree with the above words.

But Apollo is not a "holy" angel. Well, technically he is in the sense that the word "holy" means "to be set apart", but Apollo is set apart for only destruction, he is bound for perdition.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


You nailed it. So tired of watching the liars mislead people. Appollo is fallen. How many lies have been told to hide this and get men to do his bidding. God will not likely look favorably on this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325169


Again, what led you to believe Apollyon is evil? Liar.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


All in he book of Enoch.
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I agree with the above words.

But Apollo is not a "holy" angel. Well, technically he is in the sense that the word "holy" means "to be set apart", but Apollo is set apart for only destruction, he is bound for perdition.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


You nailed it. So tired of watching the liars mislead people. Appollo is fallen. How many lies have been told to hide this and get men to do his bidding. God will not likely look favorably on this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325169


Again, what led you to believe Apollyon is evil? Liar.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


All in he book of Enoch.
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Care to quote?
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I agree we need to be very careful wehn speaking of God's agents. Jude 1:9-10

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

That is why I responded to your post.

Apollyon is not Michael. Apollyon is the son of perdition referred to in 2 Thessalonins Chapter 2. He is the anti-christ. He is the one that the mystery schools of iniquity have spent centuries in service towards. The one whom they will crown as king of the world.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Again, you haven't given one good argument to prove your claim Apollyon is evil, other than your gross misinterpretation of the scriptures.
20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
 Quoting: Isaiah 5

 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


The angel that falls to earth in Revelation 9 is NOT the angel descibed as binding the dragon to the pit in Revaltion 20.

Who is the angel that falls to earth according to Scripture? Hint: It's not Michael.

I do believe that the angel described in Revelation 20 is very probably Michael, putting Satan into the very pit that Apollyon released the locust army from.

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The angel that falls to earth in Revelation 9 is NOT the angel descibed as binding the dragon to the pit in Revaltion 20.

Who is the angel that falls to earth according to Scripture? Hint: It's not Michael.

I do believe that the angel described in Revelation 20 is very probably Michael, putting Apollyon into the very pit that Apollyon released the locust army from.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


The angel of Revelation 9 and 20 both holds the key of the Abyss, and this is my reason for believing they are one and the same. And both were described as falling or coming down out of heaven. Satan is not the only angel that comes down out of heaven.

What is your reason for believing they are different?

1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
 Quoting: Revelation 9

1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
 Quoting: Revelation 20


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You nailed it. So tired of watching the liars mislead people. Appollo is fallen. How many lies have been told to hide this and get men to do his bidding. God will not likely look favorably on this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325169


Again, what led you to believe Apollyon is evil? Liar.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


All in he book of Enoch.
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Care to quote?
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


These are the Seven Arcangels over Earth and Heaven. The 7 Spiritus mentioned in Revelation.

CHAP. XX.

1. These are the names of the angels who watch.

2. Uriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over 1 clamour and terror.

3. Raphael, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of men.

4. Raguel, one of the holy angels, who inflicts punishment on the world and the luminaries.

5. Michael, one of the holy angels, who, presiding over human virtue, commands the nations.

6. Sarakiel, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of the children of men that transgress.

p. 27

7. Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over Ikisat, 1 over paradise, and over the cherubim.


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Again, what led you to believe Apollyon is evil? Liar.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


All in he book of Enoch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1325169


Care to quote?
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


These are the Seven Arcangels over Earth and Heaven. The 7 Spiritus mentioned in Revelation.

CHAP. XX.

1. These are the names of the angels who watch.

2. Uriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over 1 clamour and terror.

3. Raphael, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of men.

4. Raguel, one of the holy angels, who inflicts punishment on the world and the luminaries.

5. Michael, one of the holy angels, who, presiding over human virtue, commands the nations.

6. Sarakiel, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of the children of men that transgress.

p. 27

7. Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over Ikisat, 1 over paradise, and over the cherubim.


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I don't see Apollyon in this quote, and your point is?
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The angel that falls to earth in Revelation 9 is NOT the angel descibed as binding the dragon to the pit in Revaltion 20.

Who is the angel that falls to earth according to Scripture? Hint: It's not Michael.

I do believe that the angel described in Revelation 20 is very probably Michael, putting Apollyon into the very pit that Apollyon released the locust army from.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


The angel of Revelation 9 and 20 both holds the key of the Abyss, and this is my reason for believing they are one and the same. And both were described as falling or coming down out of heaven. Satan is not the only angel that comes down out of heaven.

What is your reason for believing they are different?

1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
 Quoting: Revelation 9

1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
 Quoting: Revelation 20

 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


First of all Michael hasn't fallen from Heaven. Lucifer/Serpent/Dragon/Devil HAS.

Secondly, even if the star described in Revelation 9 WAS Michael, how would that lead to your conclusion that the angel that opened the pit is the same angel that is king over them that are in the pit?
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First of all Michael hasn't fallen from Heaven. Lucifer/Serpent/Dragon/Devil HAS.

Secondly, even if the star described in Revelation 9 WAS Michael, how would that lead to your conclusion that the angel that opened the pit is the same angel that is king over them that are in the pit?
 Quoting: Needles Eye

Are you equating physically "falling" from heaven to falling from God's grace? lolz

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First of all Michael hasn't fallen from Heaven. Lucifer/Serpent/Dragon/Devil HAS.

Secondly, even if the star described in Revelation 9 WAS Michael, how would that lead to your conclusion that the angel that opened the pit is the same angel that is king over them that are in the pit?
 Quoting: Needles Eye

Are you equating physically "falling" from heaven to falling from God's grace? lolz
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In 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 2 God describes the coming of the wicked one, the "Son of perdition"

Greek word for perdition:

Word: apwleia

Pronounce: ap-o'-li-a

Strongs Number: G684

Orig: from a presumed derivative of 622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):--damnable(-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste. G622

That's not the "sun/son" I'll be following.
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...Now if U wiki link..."Abadan,Iran"...You'll see one of the most hellatious place on the face of the earth...The worlds largest sulpher pit, @ one time the worlds largest oil refinery (before Saddam bombed it w/chemical weapons)...However... I believe it to be the gateway to the "abyss"....damned
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Is the resurrection of the dead a physical resurrection?
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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In 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 2 God describes the coming of the wicked one, the "Son of perdition"

Greek word for perdition:

Word: apwleia

Pronounce: ap-o'-li-a

Strongs Number: G684

Orig: from a presumed derivative of 622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):--damnable(-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste. G622

That's not the "sun/son" I'll be following.
 Quoting: Needles Eye

The term "Son of perdition was also used in John 17:12
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
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 Quoting: King James Version John 17


Now see how the New International Version translates the same verse:
12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by[a] that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
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 Quoting: New International Version John 17


And see how the New International Version translates the term "Son of Perdition" in 2 Thessalonians 2:
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
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 Quoting: New International Version 2 Thessalonians 2


Apollyon is the Destroyer, he is not the antichrist who is "the one doomed to destruction".

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Re: Abaddon / Apollyon is the Prince of Israel who must appear first before Christ returns
OP you have it all wrong , Abaddon and Apollyon are just the names of Satan in Hebrew and Greek so there is no mistaken who was being spoken of. I guess you it did not work in your case.

The arch angel Michael is the same angel who throws Satan put of heave on Revelation 12 and locks him back up in chapter 20.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1534164


Yes, Apollyon is NOT a good guy!! The locusts that attack those without the seal of God are screaming the dude's name!
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This reminds me of Matthew 24:23-26

Anyone who says follow them, Im not following.
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Re: Abaddon / Apollyon is the Prince of Israel who must appear first before Christ returns
OP you have it all wrong , Abaddon and Apollyon are just the names of Satan in Hebrew and Greek so there is no mistaken who was being spoken of. I guess you it did not work in your case.

The arch angel Michael is the same angel who throws Satan put of heave on Revelation 12 and locks him back up in chapter 20.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1534164


Yes, Apollyon is NOT a good guy!! The locusts that attack those without the seal of God are screaming the dude's name!
 Quoting: Doomamatrix


This reminds me of Matthew 24:23-26

Anyone who says follow them, Im not following.
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Lolz, Michael will not come here claiming to be Christ.

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Re: Abaddon / Apollyon is the Prince of Israel who must appear first before Christ returns
Michael will come as the angel/messenger of Christ who comes before him, anyone who rejects Michael when he appears also rejects Christ who sent him and will not be saved.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Really?

Do you have a scriptural reference for this?

And how, then, would you interpret Revelations 3:12?

And, by the way, what precisely do you mean by the word "saved"?

Just askin'.

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