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Abaddon / Apollyon is the Prince of Israel who must appear first before Christ returns

 
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The angel that falls to earth in Revelation 9 is NOT the angel descibed as binding the dragon to the pit in Revaltion 20.

Who is the angel that falls to earth according to Scripture? Hint: It's not Michael.

I do believe that the angel described in Revelation 20 is very probably Michael, putting Apollyon into the very pit that Apollyon released the locust army from.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


The angel of Revelation 9 and 20 both holds the key of the Abyss, and this is my reason for believing they are one and the same. And both were described as falling or coming down out of heaven. Satan is not the only angel that comes down out of heaven.

What is your reason for believing they are different?

1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
 Quoting: Revelation 9

1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
 Quoting: Revelation 20

 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Funny....Rev 9 says that a star fell and the star (He) was "given" the key....Rev 20 says an angel came down and "had" the key.....I don't think it is an accident that these were described two different ways...I also note that the star fell and was given the key (after falling?)whereas the angel had the key (before coming down)went he left heaven....hmmmmm
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you'll bow down to apollo alright.

you'll be the 1st to take the mark of the beast.
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you'll bow down to apollo alright.

you'll be the 1st to take the mark of the beast.
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mmmhmmmmthumbs
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I hope not though. Maybe he'll realize what he's saying
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The angel that falls to earth in Revelation 9 is NOT the angel descibed as binding the dragon to the pit in Revaltion 20.

Who is the angel that falls to earth according to Scripture? Hint: It's not Michael.

I do believe that the angel described in Revelation 20 is very probably Michael, putting Apollyon into the very pit that Apollyon released the locust army from.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


The angel of Revelation 9 and 20 both holds the key of the Abyss, and this is my reason for believing they are one and the same. And both were described as falling or coming down out of heaven. Satan is not the only angel that comes down out of heaven.

What is your reason for believing they are different?

1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
 Quoting: Revelation 9

1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
 Quoting: Revelation 20

 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


Funny....Rev 9 says that a star fell and the star (He) was "given" the key....Rev 20 says an angel came down and "had" the key.....I don't think it is an accident that these were described two different ways...I also note that the star fell and was given the key (after falling?)whereas the angel had the key (before coming down)went he left heaven....hmmmmm
 Quoting: SHiroki 1185904


You read correct... after the star fell... HE... received the Key... He is the son of man...
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OP...you've got me thinking. However...there is one thing that you are incorrect about. This angel...Abbadon...will not herald Christ. He will not say follow me, etc. There is nothing in scripture to support that. He will not invite men to accept the gospel or take the mark of the beast. He is coming here with a very specific agenda...carry out judgment.
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Those who comdemn Apollyon as an evil angel are likely to condemn the 4 angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates as evil as well.

The fifth trumpet (plague of the locusts led by Apollyon) tortured the unsaved for five months, but none were killed. And this is because the intention of this plague was to make the unsaved repent of their evil deeds.
1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
 Quoting: Revelation 9


In the sixth trumpet, Apollyon / Michael will be joined by the other 3 archangels, namely, Gabriel, Uriel, and Raphael.

13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” 15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 16 The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number.

17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19 The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.

20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.
 Quoting: Revelation 9


If you read verse 20, you will see that the reason for these plagues were to make the unsaved repent of their evil deeds.
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BTW thank you to whoever had this thread pinned :)
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Funny....Rev 9 says that a star fell and the star (He) was "given" the key....Rev 20 says an angel came down and "had" the key.....I don't think it is an accident that these were described two different ways...I also note that the star fell and was given the key (after falling?)whereas the angel had the key (before coming down)went he left heaven....hmmmmm
 Quoting: SHiroki 1185904

The reason is obvious, Rev 9 and Rev 20 are two separate events. Rev 9 happens before Rev 20 and the two events are separated by several years.

Rev 9 is when the angel of the Abyss first received the key, during Rev 20, the angel of the Abyss already has the key in his possession.
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Funny....Rev 9 says that a star fell and the star (He) was "given" the key....Rev 20 says an angel came down and "had" the key.....I don't think it is an accident that these were described two different ways...I also note that the star fell and was given the key (after falling?)whereas the angel had the key (before coming down)went he left heaven....hmmmmm
 Quoting: SHiroki 1185904

The reason is obvious, Rev 9 and Rev 20 are two separate events. Rev 9 happens before Rev 20 and the two events are separated by several years.

Rev 9 is when the angel of the Abyss first received the key, during Rev 20, the angel of the Abyss already has the key in his possession.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect



This means that two asteroids are heading our way... the first he receive the key and the second creates the lake of fire aka the furnace for the fallen ones.
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Funny....Rev 9 says that a star fell and the star (He) was "given" the key....Rev 20 says an angel came down and "had" the key.....I don't think it is an accident that these were described two different ways...I also note that the star fell and was given the key (after falling?)whereas the angel had the key (before coming down)went he left heaven....hmmmmm
 Quoting: SHiroki 1185904

The reason is obvious, Rev 9 and Rev 20 are two separate events. Rev 9 happens before Rev 20 and the two events are separated by several years.

Rev 9 is when the angel of the Abyss first received the key, during Rev 20, the angel of the Abyss already has the key in his possession.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect



This means that two asteroids are heading our way... the first he receive the key and the second creates the lake of fire aka the furnace for the fallen ones.
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Good observation and interpretation :)
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If you read the news concerning Israel, you will agree that now, more than any time in the history of modern Israel, is when Michael's protection is needed most.

And Michael will not let the people of Israel down, after all, he is their Prince.

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If you read the news concerning Israel, you will agree that now, more than any time in the history of modern Israel, is when Michael's protection is needed most.

And Michael will not let the people of Israel down, after all, he is their Prince.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


You are assuming that "modern (the) Israel" is precisely equivalent to the "people of Israel"; which, of course, is a "monstrous blasphemy" similar to the assumption that Christianity is the Teaching of Jesus; when, in fact, it is the consequence of the Satanic inversion and corruption of the Teaching of Jesus based upon the denial that the "resurrection" is best translated as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

There is no Revelational evidence at all in support of such an assumption. On the contrary, the Revelational evidence is in precisely the opposite direction.

The Israel is a nation state; and the evils it has committed in relation to the Palestinians derive from the fact that it is a manifestation or perfect expression of the 'fallen' consciousness.

The concept of the nation state originates in the 'fallen', dualistic, "beast of the earth" (Revelations 13:11 & Sura 27:82 of the Quran) consciousness of the 'thinker'.

Any belief that this Michael is to protect an idol created by the 'fallen' consciousness consists of an egregious disregarding of the proper translation of the Hebrew root word used in Daniel; the most accurate expression of which is "arise"--in echo of Isaiah 26:19, which is a very specific reference to the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

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Question: Why should anyone be protected who commits evil?

Question: Why should anyone have someone else atone for their evils vicariously rather than suffering, themselves, the consequences of their own evils?

Question: Are not such beliefs, in and of themselves, a fundamental contradiction of the Righteousness of God?

Just askin'.

Protection is to be associated with the adherence to, rather than the violation of the Moral Law. This is the whole purpose behind Deuteronomy 28--that those who abide by the Law will be rewarded in this world (not in any after-death metaphysical 'heaven'), while those who transgress the Law will be punished in this world (rather than in any eternal after-death existence called 'hell')

Protection is to be associated with the adherence to the Revelations, rather than to the 'doctrines of men' concocted by the dualistic, 'fallen' consciousness of the 'thinker' in specific denial and contradiction of the Knowledge Revealed through Revelations.

Just sayin'.

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Question: Why should anyone be protected who commits evil?

Question: Why should anyone have someone else atone for their evils vicariously rather than suffering, themselves, the consequences of their own evils?

Question: Are not such beliefs, in and of themselves, a fundamental contradiction of the Righteousness of God?

Just askin'.

Protection is to be associated with the adherence to, rather than the violation of the Moral Law.

Protection is to be associated with the adherence to the Revelations, rather than to the 'doctrines of men' concocted by the dualistic, 'fallen' consciousness of the 'thinker' in specific denial and contradiction of the Knowledge Revealed through Revelations.

Just sayin'.

4Q529
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they are called the Harlot in revelation, and they get destroyed by the first beast... only after that the first star will be here... Like you said... they ain't the true ones, and the man made state is not the Glorious land.

The Middle east is a nest of vipers...
"They took what they wanted ... and they wanted the world!"

"The thunder of their plundering shook the earth, the seas, the sky!"

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OP you have it all wrong , Abaddon and Apollyon are just the names of Satan in Hebrew and Greek so there is no mistaken who was being spoken of. I guess you it did not work in your case.

The arch angel Michael is the same angel who throws Satan put of heave on Revelation 12 and locks him back up in chapter 20.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1534164


Yes, Apollyon is NOT a good guy!! The locusts that attack those without the seal of God are screaming the dude's name!
 Quoting: Doomamatrix


This reminds me of Matthew 24:23-26

Anyone who says follow them, Im not following.
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Lolz, Michael will not come here claiming to be Christ.
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they are called the Harlot in revelation,
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At least questionable. At least.

and they get destroyed by the first beast...
 Quoting: Gogh


Questionable as well.

only after that the first star will be here... Like you said... they ain't the true ones, and the man made state is not the Glorious land.
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One of the principal reasons for the Dead Sea Scrolls scandal was to distract people from the contents of the Scrolls that had already been discovered:

The fact that the Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written by Jesus.

And the fact that the Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light makes reference to the "kingdom of Michael" in Column XVII.

For the Truth about the Thanksgiving Hymns to be made known would severely threaten (the "beast of the earth") Christianity, Inc. inasmuch as they contain evidence that the Doctrine of "resurrection" taught by Jesus should be understood as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

And the reference to the "kingdom of Michael" would severely threaten the 'efforts' (yeah, sure) of the "beast of the sea" political establishment to 'resolve' the Middle East conflict on the basis of a complete disregarding, denial and contradiction of the Revelations and Prophecies Revealed to Moses, the prophets (including Daniel & the author of the Revelation of John), Jesus and Mohammed.

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they are called the Harlot in revelation,
 Quoting: Gogh


At least questionable. At least.

and they get destroyed by the first beast...
 Quoting: Gogh


Questionable as well.

only after that the first star will be here... Like you said... they ain't the true ones, and the man made state is not the Glorious land.
 Quoting: Gogh


One of the principal reasons for the Dead Sea Scrolls scandal was to distract people from the contents of the Scrolls that had already been discovered:

The fact that the Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written by Jesus.

And the fact that the Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light makes reference to the "kingdom of Michael" in Column XVII.

For the Truth about the Thanksgiving Hymns to be made known would severely threaten (the "beast of the earth") Christianity, Inc. inasmuch as they contain evidence that the Doctrine of "resurrection" taught by Jesus should be understood as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

And the reference to the "kingdom of Michael" would severely threaten the 'efforts' (yeah, sure) of the "beast of the sea" political establishment to 'resolve' the Middle East conflict on the basis of a complete disregarding, denial and contradiction of the Revelations and Prophecies Revealed to Moses, the prophets (including Daniel & the author of the Revelation of John), Jesus and Mohammed.

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The Harlot is the Central Character of Revelation 17.

15And he said to me, “The waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. 16“And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire. 17“For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

BTW... BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS IS NOT THE HARLOT... ALL WHO LIVES IN BABYLON MUST COME OUT OF HER... SINCE SHE WILL BE DESTROYED WITH THE SECOND ASTEROID IN LESS THAN A HOUR... BABYLON THE GREAT GONE.

BABYLON IS EUROPE... AND THE HARLOT IS THE MAN MADE STATE KNOWN NOW AS ISRAEL, AND SHALL BE DESTROYED BY THE first BEAST. THIS WILL HAPPEN BEFORE THE FIRST ASTEROID HITS THE OCEAN... WORMWOOD.
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If you read the news concerning Israel, you will agree that now, more than any time in the history of modern Israel, is when Michael's protection is needed most.

And Michael will not let the people of Israel down, after all, he is their Prince.
 Quoting: Anti-GLP Effect


You are assuming that "modern (the) Israel" is precisely equivalent to the "people of Israel"; which, of course, is a "monstrous blasphemy" similar to the assumption that Christianity is the Teaching of Jesus; when, in fact, it is the consequence of the Satanic inversion and corruption of the Teaching of Jesus based upon the denial that the "resurrection" is best translated as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

There is no Revelational evidence at all in support of such an assumption. On the contrary, the Revelational evidence is in precisely the opposite direction.

The Israel is a nation state; and the evils it has committed in relation to the Palestinians derive from the fact that it is a manifestation or perfect expression of the 'fallen' consciousness.

The concept of the nation state originates in the 'fallen', dualistic, "beast of the earth" (Revelations 13:11 & Sura 27:82 of the Quran) consciousness of the 'thinker'.

Any belief that this Michael is to protect an idol created by the 'fallen' consciousness consists of an egregious disregarding of the proper translation of the Hebrew root word used in Daniel; the most accurate expression of which is "arise"--in echo of Isaiah 26:19, which is a very specific reference to the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

4Q529
 Quoting: 4Q529



Tell me 4Q529, are you Muslim?

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So this is todays anonymous delusional meeting? Great.

My name is AC and I'm delusional. My delusion is that I still believe the delusional people in this thread can be released from their delusions.

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BTW... BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS IS NOT THE HARLOT... ALL WHO LIVES IN BABYLON MUST COME OUT OF HER... SINCE SHE WILL BE DESTROYED WITH THE SECOND ASTEROID IN LESS THAN A HOUR... BABYLON THE GREAT GONE.
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So, you are claiming to be a prophet?

What is the source of your authority?

BABYLON IS EUROPE... AND THE HARLOT IS THE MAN MADE STATE KNOWN NOW AS ISRAEL,
 Quoting: Gogh


First things first.

We have not yet established that you have any authority for anything that you say.

Let's first determine if you have any authority.

Then we can determine whether what you say makes any sense at all.

AND SHALL BE DESTROYED BY THE first BEAST. THIS WILL HAPPEN BEFORE THE FIRST ASTEROID HITS THE OCEAN... WORMWOOD.
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What precisely is the "first beast" which arises out of the sea?

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Tell me 4Q529, are you Muslim?
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First, define the term "Muslim" in terms of Doctrine.

Secondly, what difference does it make what or who I am? (Hence the reason for the handle "4Q529" rather than my name.)

What is important here is what the Truth is.

Keep your eye on the ball.

The "ball" is not whether I am a Muslim or not.

The "ball" is what is the Truth, what is the Knowledge Revealed through Revelation, and what are the doctrines concocted by the dualistic, 'fallen', "beast of the earth" consciousness of the 'thinker'.

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Tell me 4Q529, are you Muslim?
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First, define the term "Muslim" in terms of Doctrine.

Secondly, what difference does it make what or who I am? (Hence the reason for the handle "4Q529" rather than my name.)

What is important here is what the Truth is.

Keep your eye on the ball.

The "ball" is not whether I am a Muslim or not.

The "ball" is what is the Truth, what is the Knowledge Revealed through Revelation, and what are the doctrines concocted by the dualistic, 'fallen', "beast of the earth" consciousness of the 'thinker'.

4Q529
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You are asking me a lot of questions while I am not asking you any.

For me to answer your questions, I need to know first who you are and what you believe.

I have read the Quran and the Hadiths. I am not claiming to be an Islamic scholar, but I know enough about Islam.

I worked in Kuwait for 16 years.

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If you read the news concerning Israel, you will agree that now, more than any time in the history of modern Israel, is when Michael's protection is needed most.

And Michael will not let the people of Israel down, after all, he is their Prince.
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You are assuming that "modern (the) Israel" is precisely equivalent to the "people of Israel"; which, of course, is a "monstrous blasphemy" similar to the assumption that Christianity is the Teaching of Jesus; when, in fact, it is the consequence of the Satanic inversion and corruption of the Teaching of Jesus based upon the denial that the "resurrection" is best translated as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

There is no Revelational evidence at all in support of such an assumption. On the contrary, the Revelational evidence is in precisely the opposite direction.

The Israel is a nation state; and the evils it has committed in relation to the Palestinians derive from the fact that it is a manifestation or perfect expression of the 'fallen' consciousness.

The concept of the nation state originates in the 'fallen', dualistic, "beast of the earth" (Revelations 13:11 & Sura 27:82 of the Quran) consciousness of the 'thinker'.

Any belief that this Michael is to protect an idol created by the 'fallen' consciousness consists of an egregious disregarding of the proper translation of the Hebrew root word used in Daniel; the most accurate expression of which is "arise"--in echo of Isaiah 26:19, which is a very specific reference to the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

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Tell me 4Q529, are you Muslim?
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Let me give you one lesson you should carry with you at ALL times if you even hold the slightest amount of faith in your heart:

You are human. And as it says in your good books, you are not to judge. So how can you judge yourself to be a Muslim a Christian, a jewish, a protestant a catholic a sufi a sunni a orthodox etc etc...

Only those people of faith who have spent decades upon decades researching their own faith will understand what I'm saying. If you feel offended because you carried your religion as a pin on your shirt; it is your fault entirely for wearing your RELIGION(which is man made and biased) like a pin instead of your faith. Faith goes beyond religion...
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Tell me 4Q529, are you Muslim?
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First, define the term "Muslim" in terms of Doctrine.

Secondly, what difference does it make what or who I am? (Hence the reason for the handle "4Q529" rather than my name.)

What is important here is what the Truth is.

Keep your eye on the ball.

The "ball" is not whether I am a Muslim or not.

The "ball" is what is the Truth, what is the Knowledge Revealed through Revelation, and what are the doctrines concocted by the dualistic, 'fallen', "beast of the earth" consciousness of the 'thinker'.

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You are asking me a lot of questions while I am not asking you any.

For me to answer your questions, I need to know first who you are and what you believe.

I have read the Quran and the Hadiths. I am not claiming to be an Islamic scholar, but I know enough about Islam.

I worked in Kuwait for 16 years.
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What he is, is human. If you cannot look past this I'm afraid you are in WAY over your head when discussing religion and faith or life's allegories. Really, get lost.
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For me to answer your questions, I need to know first who you are and what you believe.
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Why do you need to know who I am in order to answer my questions?

That's one of the most ridiculous things I have heard in a long time.

When you go to an Information desk at an airport, do they ask for your name before they tell you where United Airlines flight 1203 is?

And why is it necessary for me to believe anything?

Maybe I'm still searching and have not made up my 'mind' as to what I believe.

So that is considered by you to be grounds for not answering my questions?

Bizarre.

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For me to answer your questions, I need to know first who you are and what you believe.
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Why do you need to know who I am in order to answer my questions?

That's one of the most ridiculous things I have heard in a long time.

When you go to an Information desk at an airport, do they ask for your name before they tell you where United Airlines flight 1203 is?

And why is it necessary for me to believe anything?

Maybe I'm still searching and have not made up my 'mind' as to what I believe.

So that is considered by you to be grounds for not answering my questions?

Bizarre.

4Q529
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The reason he asks is because he wants to put you in a box. That way it is easier for him to both approach and judge your beliefs. Without that box, he does not know how to approach you nor is he able to really judge you(he might be judging himself).

Basically, he's one of those people who use pre-used arguments in all of their conversations. And well, for now, you need to be a Muslim for him to use one of those pre-used arguments...otherwise he doesn't have much to say.

Knowledge is power.
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I have read the Quran and the Hadiths. I am not claiming to be an Islamic scholar, but I know enough about Islam.
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"I know enough about Islam."

What's that supposed to mean?

That you can't learn any more about Islam?

Or you don't want to know anything more about Islam?

That you know everything that you need to know about Islam?

And what is the relationship, if any, between what is referred to as Islam and the Revelations that were received by Mohammed?

Are they the same thing?

Oh, that's right.

You can't answer my questions until you know who I am and what I believe, if anything.

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Tell me 4Q529, are you Muslim?
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First, define the term "Muslim" in terms of Doctrine.

Secondly, what difference does it make what or who I am? (Hence the reason for the handle "4Q529" rather than my name.)

What is important here is what the Truth is.

Keep your eye on the ball.

The "ball" is not whether I am a Muslim or not.

The "ball" is what is the Truth, what is the Knowledge Revealed through Revelation, and what are the doctrines concocted by the dualistic, 'fallen', "beast of the earth" consciousness of the 'thinker'.

4Q529
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You are asking me a lot of questions while I am not asking you any.

For me to answer your questions, I need to know first who you are and what you believe.

I have read the Quran and the Hadiths. I am not claiming to be an Islamic scholar, but I know enough about Islam.

I worked in Kuwait for 16 years.
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What he is, is human. If you cannot look past this I'm afraid you are in WAY over your head when discussing religion and faith or life's allegories. Really, get lost.
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This is my thread btw, and if you don't like what I say here, then you can just start your own thread.
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I have read the Quran and the Hadiths. I am not claiming to be an Islamic scholar, but I know enough about Islam.
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"I know enough about Islam."

What's that supposed to mean?

That you can't learn any more about Islam?

Or you don't want to know anything more about Islam?

That you know everything that you need to know about Islam?

And what is the relationship, if any, between what is referred to as Islam and the Revelations that were received by Mohammed?

Are they the same thing?

Oh, that's right.

You can't answer my questions until you know who I am and what I believe, if anything.

4Q529
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Well then, there's no point discussing with you :)
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Well then, there's no point discussing with you :)
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There are probably 10,000 ways--"their name is legion"--in which the "beast of the earth" consciousness of the 'thinker' claims to be 'God'.

This is one of them.

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