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How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?

 
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Well...I will say this to everyone...if you don't vote?...you really don't make any "statement" IMO...you just more or less voted for whomever won...

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The lesser of two evils is still evil.
 Quoting: The_Kitner_Boy


If you want unicrons and rainbows?...go read a fuckin Harry potter book, close the curtains and burn some incense...this is the real world...and it's not fuckin bedazzled...so grow the fuck up.
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Wow, thanks for the kind reply.

At any rate, with the list of top tier republican candidates that are out there now, I think it's all but certain that Obama will win re-election.

I'm not happy about it, but I think that's the reality of the situation.

Now i'm going to grab my harry potter book and start reading..:)
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Re: How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?
I voted for RP in the 08 primaries. Not sure I can do it again now. Love his domestic and fiscal ideas, but his foreign policy and his age have always been problems for me.

Whomever gets the Republican nomination will get my vote in the general election.
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Mark you down for one clueless sheeple mofo!

No wonder shit is what it is!
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I don't give a damn about your opinion of me. I will vote for whomever has the best real chance of beating Obama. Getting him out of office is my primary concern.
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Re: How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?
SHR, you said you believe that the elections are not fixed, maybe you can explain how the one man that has the most support can't get nominated. Isn't that putting the fix in, choosing a man for nomination that isn't the peoples obvious choice?

We only have two viable candidates to chose from, what if both of them are not worth a damned? What if neither one of them is really the peoples choice?

I believe we need to make new laws that prevent media from interfering in the election process by promulgating viable candidates and destroying ones that don't fit the agenda they represent. i think the two party system needs to be done away with completely, and no part should EVER be allowed to have a majority in congress. I also believe that lobbyists have too much power and influence over politicians, and the institutions of government have been subverted by special interests and corporations. i know this all old news to you, but the fact is the elections are fixed, and no politician that doesn't follow certain rules can't get elected, like for instance if he doesn't support foreign aid to Israel.
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I feel like SHR is ignoring my posts?
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Oooh...premature epostulation!....;)

I type like shit...so it may take a little while...lol!
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Well...I will say this to everyone...if you don't vote?...you really don't make any "statement" IMO...you just more or less voted for whomever won...

 Quoting: SHR


The lesser of two evils is still evil.
 Quoting: The_Kitner_Boy


If you want unicrons and rainbows?...go read a fuckin Harry potter book, close the curtains and burn some incense...this is the real world...and it's not fuckin bedazzled...so grow the fuck up.
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Wow, thanks for the kind reply.

At any rate, with the list of top tier republican candidates that are out there now, I think it's all but certain that Obama will win re-election.

I'm not happy about it, but I think that's the reality of the situation.

Now i'm going to grab my harry potter book and start reading..:)
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Well you have the chance to make a difference if you can vote...so I would suggest you take it if you're not happy about the possibility of Obama getting re-elected.
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Re: How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?
I didn't vote for Obama in 08, but several I worked with did. They are all saying now that WHOEVER wins the repub nom will get their vote. Here, you do not have to be affiliated with any party. My voter registration is No Party. I believe the best man should win, but usually, the repub candidates more closely resemble what I am looking for in the Prez.
I am in a historically red state and no one around here will be changing anything.
I'd like to see RP win the nomination.
At least we would get to see if the President really does make his own decisions or if there is a shadow government who truly run this country.
Ron Paul write-in.
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Re: How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?
Just wondering...How many former Obama voters are tossing Obama over for Ron Paul?...I think there is a shift in the largely "uncommitted" vote that transcends parties and I think this isn't a far fetched concept at all...and frankly a rather interesting voting shift. IMO Ron Paul will likely capture more uncommitted voters...or will he?...after electing an uber Liberal progressive like Obama will the independent voters go for a stone republican candidate?...which Ron Paul is decidedly not, or is the more Libertarian than Republican Ron Paul more appealing?

So....are there voters out here who threw the lever in favor of Obama last presidential election who are at least pretty sure they are going to vote for Ron Paul this time around?

How many Obama voters in General are not happy with how he has performed and is going to be voting "Somebody else" this time?...feel free to expand in a reply and I hope you do...don't worry I won't beat anyone down who has buyers remorse over Obama...

Just so everyone knows...as if they don't already...my own personal politics are somewhere to the right of GENGHIS FUCKING KHAN..and I would vote for a jar of Pickles before I voted for Obama or any other Liberal...but I do try to remain fair about all that...unbiased as far as my own opinion goes?...nope...I get to have an opinion...THANK GOD...but I won't be unfair about it around here...so no fear..;)

Tried to put as many good options in the poll as possible that pertain.
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If you're a real conservative, support Ron Paul.

I am so far to the right sometimes I think I'm going to fall off the planet, but I'll be damned if what's calling itself a conservative Republican these days will have mys support.

Ron Paul calls himself a libertarian because the republican party has strayed from the conservative path of individual responsibility and self determination.

I also believe he knows the banksters game and wants to end their parasitic game, and for that he has my full support. We have foreign bankers loaning money to our government at interest. It's untenable, it's Unconstitutional, and it is what destroyed our economy.
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Libertarians are not conservative and Ron Paul ranks for shit among real conservatives...I don't want to turn this thread into debate about Ron Paul's politics...I will do that on another thread...or even in the Voice chat if anyone cares to at another time...but if you are voting conservative by voting Ron paul?...you would be sadly mistaken.

I will be very happy to debate his policy...and I won't do it with a load of sound bites or campaign button bullshit either....
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What precisely is your definition of conservative?

You make the common error of assuming because he is for personal freedom and responsibility,(for instance the legalization of drugs or getting the government out of the health care business )he cannot be a real conservative. A real conservative believes in personal responsibility, ,free enterprise, a strong national identity, self determination and freedom. the concepts our nation was founded on. Is that what Governor Perry represents? I'm \from Texas, and no, Perry is a fucking LIBERAL|!
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Re: How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?
SHR, you said you believe that the elections are not fixed, maybe you can explain how the one man that has the most support can't get nominated. Isn't that putting the fix in, choosing a man for nomination that isn't the peoples obvious choice?

We only have two viable candidates to chose from, what if both of them are not worth a damned? What if neither one of them is really the peoples choice?

I believe we need to make new laws that prevent media from interfering in the election process by promulgating viable candidates and destroying ones that don't fit the agenda they represent. i think the two party system needs to be done away with completely, and no part should EVER be allowed to have a majority in congress. I also believe that lobbyists have too much power and influence over politicians, and the institutions of government have been subverted by special interests and corporations. i know this all old news to you, but the fact is the elections are fixed, and no politician that doesn't follow certain rules can't get elected, like for instance if he doesn't support foreign aid to Israel.
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The winner of the nomination will have the most votes and if you're referring to Ron Paul's internet poll support?...that's all it is...sorry bout that, but it's true. That will not, does not and never has carried over into real life voting...despite the media...which I do happen to agree with being biased, but that bias has for a very long time been in favor of the left as it dominated by liberals...if the pro-Israel people control so much of the media?...then why does the media ALLAYS sway toward the left which always historically takes a giant shit on Israel...riddle me that...

There is far too much lobbyist and corporate influence over out lawmakers...I agree whole heartedly with that...and as I said in a previous post the time for a third party just is not right now...I truly hope that is in the future...not only hope...we can make it happen...but the time for that is not now...this is a long game,....it's chess not checkers...the opportunity and time will come...if you have ears to listen and eyes to see...you can sense that time IS coming...but we have a job to do first...

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Does the job involve guns and ammunition?
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Re: How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?
I didn't vote for Obama in 08, but several I worked with did. They are all saying now that WHOEVER wins the repub nom will get their vote. Here, you do not have to be affiliated with any party. My voter registration is No Party. I believe the best man should win, but usually, the repub candidates more closely resemble what I am looking for in the Prez.
I am in a historically red state and no one around here will be changing anything.
I'd like to see RP win the nomination.
At least we would get to see if the President really does make his own decisions or if there is a shadow government who truly run this country.
Ron Paul write-in.
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Well I really get the feeling they are far from being alone...the reason I made this poll thread...several people I know also are of the mindset that they gave him a chance, but he fucked it up, they won't be making the same mistake twice...
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Not a yank so can´t vote but.

I´ve never voted and never will until the wealthy elite loose control of them and there is actually a choice. It doesn´t matter who the fuck wins the election, nothing will change.
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This pretty much sums it up - if you honestly believe that voting for any of these retards instigates change you miss the point that the only change is the face of the swine at the trough.

Here in Australia, you can only vote in pencil - that speaks volumes on its own lol.
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Not a yank so can´t vote but.

I´ve never voted and never will until the wealthy elite loose control of them and there is actually a choice. It doesn´t matter who the fuck wins the election, nothing will change.
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This pretty much sums it up - if you honestly believe that voting for any of these retards instigates change you miss the point that the only change is the face of the swine at the trough.

Here in Australia, you can only vote in pencil - that speaks volumes on its own lol.
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IMO?...there is no concrete example or definition of a "real conservative"...while we believe in many of the libertarian principals for their value?...we aren't married or cloned into a rigid libertarian ideology of any one of the foundational libertarian principals...Ron Paul is...he cannot cut the chord to the bullshit downsides of the libertarian "theory" like legalizing prostitution, drugs for anyone of any age etc etc etc and leaving...not even leaving...BURDENING the states with handling all that as they see fit...it;s bullshit...it would never work as the equal protection clause in the constitution would bring the worst of the worst and lowest common denominator upon us all...

It's a retardedly simplistic and a very much tunnel visioned viewpoint that could not and never has functioned in real life...to me a "real conservative" wants a common sense and efficient government functioning at the leanest possible level with the least amount of intrusion into everyone's personal space and life...does that mean zero regulation and zero federal law which isn't specifically written into the USC?...no it does not...kidnapping is not...yet IMO that is a federal law which is useful...Ron Paul and most Libertarians would eliminate that law and most others if they could...which btw they NEVER could...so why would anyone vote for someone that cannot do 90% of what they believe and run on? How about I run on having a manned space program to land on these sun?...wow Awesome idea SHR!...you can't actually DO that, but sounds great...just go at night!...it's the same thing if you think about it.

We need real reform...real downsizing of this current behemoth beaurcracy....real job creation..you really think some libertarian who is going to stoopft their foot and lecture the entire legislative branch about their rigid adherence to a soopa keen Ideology that more or less equates to the flat earth "theory" is really going to get anything done in this day and age?....maybe ask yourself why Ron Paul has gotten just about ZERO done in over 30 years in the house and you will have your answer....

But as I said...I don;t want to make this thread a debate about policy...I will be more than happy to do that in another thread....in depth...

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Re: How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?
i actually did vote for john mccain in 2008, and john kerry in 2004


in my state of Nevada you cant do write ins, so i voted for the lesser of two evils.


if paul isnt on the ballot though, not voting period this time around.
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IMO?...there is no concrete example or definition of a "real conservative"...while we believe in many of the libertarian principals for their value?...we aren't married or cloned into a rigid libertarian ideology of any one of the foundational libertarian principlas...Ron Paul is...he cannot cut the chord to the bullshit downsides of the libertarian "theory" like legalizing prostitution, drugs for anyone of any age etc etc etc and leaving...not even leaving...BURDENING the states with handling all that as they see fit...it;s bullshit...it would never work as the equal protection clause in the constitution would bring the worst of the worst and lowest common denominator upon us all...

It's a retardedly simplistic and a very much tunnel visioned viewpoint that could not and never has functioned in real life...to me a "real conservative" wants a common sense and efficient government functioning at the leanest possible level with the least amount of intrusion into everyone's personal space and life...does that mean zero regulation and zero federal law which isn't specifically written into the USC?...no it does not...kidnapping is not...yet IMO that is a federal law which is useful...Ron Paul and most Libertarians would eliminate that law and most others if they could...which btw they NEVER could...so why would anyone vote for someone that cannot do 90% of what they believe and run on? How about I run on having a manned space program to land on these sun?...wow Awesome idea SHR!...you can't actually DO that, but sounds great...just go at night!...it's the same thing if you think about it.

We need real reform...real downsizing of this current behemoth beaurcracy....real job creation..you really think some libertarian who is going to stoopft their foot and lecture the entire legislative branch about their rigid adherence to a soopa keen Ideology that more or less equates to the flat earth "theory" is really going to get anything done in this day and age?....maybe ask yourself why Ron Paul has gotten just about ZERO done in over 30 years in the house and you will have your answer....

But as I said...I don;t want to make this thread a debate about policy...I will be more than happy to do that in another thread....in depth...
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Re: How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?
SHR, you said you believe that the elections are not fixed, maybe you can explain how the one man that has the most support can't get nominated. Isn't that putting the fix in, choosing a man for nomination that isn't the peoples obvious choice?

We only have two viable candidates to chose from, what if both of them are not worth a damned? What if neither one of them is really the peoples choice?

I believe we need to make new laws that prevent media from interfering in the election process by promulgating viable candidates and destroying ones that don't fit the agenda they represent. i think the two party system needs to be done away with completely, and no part should EVER be allowed to have a majority in congress. I also believe that lobbyists have too much power and influence over politicians, and the institutions of government have been subverted by special interests and corporations. i know this all old news to you, but the fact is the elections are fixed, and no politician that doesn't follow certain rules can't get elected, like for instance if he doesn't support foreign aid to Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1200133


The winner of the nomination will have the most votes and if you're referring to Ron Paul's internet poll support?...that's all it is...sorry bout that, but it's true. That will not, does not and never has carried over into real life voting...despite the media...which I do happen to agree with being biased, but that bias has for a very long time been in favor of the left as it dominated by liberals...if the pro-Israel people control so much of the media?...then why does the media ALLAYS sway toward the left which always historically takes a giant shit on Israel...riddle me that...

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So, you don't think the media would support the GOP candidate that is least likely to win against a Dem?

And just to point out Rasmussen polling shows Paul in second place only 1% point behind Obama among likely voters, and that hasn't been updated for several weeks.
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Not a yank so can´t vote but.

I´ve never voted and never will until the wealthy elite loose control of them and there is actually a choice. It doesn´t matter who the fuck wins the election, nothing will change.
 Quoting: Darth Ganymede


This pretty much sums it up - if you honestly believe that voting for any of these retards instigates change you miss the point that the only change is the face of the swine at the trough.

Here in Australia, you can only vote in pencil - that speaks volumes on its own lol.
 Quoting: Auzzie Realist


So you really think that any Republican...McCain or anyone...would have enacted a massive law like "Obamacare" if they were elected?...just running the same same same regardless of party?....I forgive if you don't understand our political system...but does any American truly believe that we would have McCaincare right now if he had won?...a clone of Obamacare?....I can also come up a few HUNDRED other laws and mandates that were passed under the Pelosi congress and other regulations as well as many other programs etc etc that are being enacted right now under Obama....do you all really think that these things would have been passed under a Republican president?

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Does the job involve guns and ammunition?
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You bet...it involves being the boss of a thermonuclear Armageddon machine that can destroy all of the human race several times over...

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All of you people who will write in Ron Paul if he doesn't win the republican nomination are just going to ensure that Obama wins reelection. If Obama wins, America is DOOMED. He will have nothing to lose in his 2nd term. You think things are bad now???? When TSHTF in an Obama 2nd term, all of you Ron Paul write-in'ers can blame yourselves!
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IMO?...there is no concrete example or definition of a "real conservative"...while we believe in many of the libertarian principals for their value?...we aren't married or cloned into a rigid libertarian ideology of any one of the foundational libertarian principlas...Ron Paul is...he cannot cut the chord to the bullshit downsides of the libertarian "theory" like legalizing prostitution, drugs for anyone of any age etc etc etc and leaving...not even leaving...BURDENING the states with handling all that as they see fit...it;s bullshit...it would never work as the equal protection clause in the constitution would bring the worst of the worst and lowest common denominator upon us all...

It's a retardedly simplistic and a very much tunnel visioned viewpoint that could not and never has functioned in real life...to me a "real conservative" wants a common sense and efficient government functioning at the leanest possible level with the least amount of intrusion into everyone's personal space and life...does that mean zero regulation and zero federal law which isn't specifically written into the USC?...no it does not...kidnapping is not...yet IMO that is a federal law which is useful...Ron Paul and most Libertarians would eliminate that law and most others if they could...which btw they NEVER could...so why would anyone vote for someone that cannot do 90% of what they believe and run on? How about I run on having a manned space program to land on these sun?...wow Awesome idea SHR!...you can't actually DO that, but sounds great...just go at night!...it's the same thing if you think about it.

We need real reform...real downsizing of this current behemoth beaurcracy....real job creation..you really think some libertarian who is going to stoopft their foot and lecture the entire legislative branch about their rigid adherence to a soopa keen Ideology that more or less equates to the flat earth "theory" is really going to get anything done in this day and age?....maybe ask yourself why Ron Paul has gotten just about ZERO done in over 30 years in the house and you will have your answer....

But as I said...I don;t want to make this thread a debate about policy...I will be more than happy to do that in another thread....in depth...
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bsflag insult me some more?
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You think THAT is insulting?...lol...really?
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Re: How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?
Not a yank so can´t vote but.

I´ve never voted and never will until the wealthy elite loose control of them and there is actually a choice. It doesn´t matter who the fuck wins the election, nothing will change.
 Quoting: Darth Ganymede


This pretty much sums it up - if you honestly believe that voting for any of these retards instigates change you miss the point that the only change is the face of the swine at the trough.

Here in Australia, you can only vote in pencil - that speaks volumes on its own lol.
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So you really think that any Republican...McCain or anyone...would have enacted a massive law like "Obamacare" if they were elected?...just running the same same same regardless of party?....I forgive if you don;t understand our political system...but does any American truly believe that we would McCaincare right now if he had won?...a clone of Obamacare?....I can also come up a few HUNDRED other laws and mandates that were passed under the Pelosi congress and other regulations as well as many other programs etc etc that are being enacted right now under Obama....do you all really think that these things would have been passed under a Republican president?
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Well you have to admit. We have been on the same road to hell for a long time, it's just a different driver at a different speed.


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We need real reform...real downsizing of this current behemoth beaurcracy....real job creation...
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Wouldn't reality dictate that none of this is going to happen with either party or political candidate?
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IMO?...there is no concrete example or definition of a "real conservative"...while we believe in many of the libertarian principals for their value?...we aren't married or cloned into a rigid libertarian ideology of any one of the foundational libertarian principlas...Ron Paul is...he cannot cut the chord to the bullshit downsides of the libertarian "theory" like legalizing prostitution, drugs for anyone of any age etc etc etc and leaving...not even leaving...BURDENING the states with handling all that as they see fit...it;s bullshit...it would never work as the equal protection clause in the constitution would bring the worst of the worst and lowest common denominator upon us all...

It's a retardedly simplistic and a very much tunnel visioned viewpoint that could not and never has functioned in real life...to me a "real conservative" wants a common sense and efficient government functioning at the leanest possible level with the least amount of intrusion into everyone's personal space and life...does that mean zero regulation and zero federal law which isn't specifically written into the USC?...no it does not...kidnapping is not...yet IMO that is a federal law which is useful...Ron Paul and most Libertarians would eliminate that law and most others if they could...which btw they NEVER could...so why would anyone vote for someone that cannot do 90% of what they believe and run on? How about I run on having a manned space program to land on these sun?...wow Awesome idea SHR!...you can't actually DO that, but sounds great...just go at night!...it's the same thing if you think about it.

We need real reform...real downsizing of this current behemoth beaurcracy....real job creation..you really think some libertarian who is going to stoopft their foot and lecture the entire legislative branch about their rigid adherence to a soopa keen Ideology that more or less equates to the flat earth "theory" is really going to get anything done in this day and age?....maybe ask yourself why Ron Paul has gotten just about ZERO done in over 30 years in the house and you will have your answer....

But as I said...I don;t want to make this thread a debate about policy...I will be more than happy to do that in another thread....in depth...
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bsflag insult me some more?
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You think THAT is insulting?...lol...really?
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Yeah. Now are you going to call me a child too?
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We need real reform...real downsizing of this current behemoth beaurcracy....real job creation...
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Wouldn't reality dictate that none of this is going to happen with either party or political candidate?
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it's not about the ideas obviously, it's about the R.

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I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

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Re: How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?
SHR, you said you believe that the elections are not fixed, maybe you can explain how the one man that has the most support can't get nominated. Isn't that putting the fix in, choosing a man for nomination that isn't the peoples obvious choice?

We only have two viable candidates to chose from, what if both of them are not worth a damned? What if neither one of them is really the peoples choice?

I believe we need to make new laws that prevent media from interfering in the election process by promulgating viable candidates and destroying ones that don't fit the agenda they represent. i think the two party system needs to be done away with completely, and no part should EVER be allowed to have a majority in congress. I also believe that lobbyists have too much power and influence over politicians, and the institutions of government have been subverted by special interests and corporations. i know this all old news to you, but the fact is the elections are fixed, and no politician that doesn't follow certain rules can't get elected, like for instance if he doesn't support foreign aid to Israel.
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The winner of the nomination will have the most votes and if you're referring to Ron Paul's internet poll support?...that's all it is...sorry bout that, but it's true. That will not, does not and never has carried over into real life voting...despite the media...which I do happen to agree with being biased, but that bias has for a very long time been in favor of the left as it dominated by liberals...if the pro-Israel people control so much of the media?...then why does the media ALLAYS sway toward the left which always historically takes a giant shit on Israel...riddle me that...

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So, you don't think the media would support the GOP candidate that is least likely to win against a Dem?

And just to point out Rasmussen polling shows Paul in second place only 1% point behind Obama among likely voters, and that hasn't been updated for several weeks.
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Rasmussen show a generic republican around the same no?...and are RP supporters in like with Rasmussen now?...I thought he was a bilderboner shill or some shit only yesterday.

I don't see the real MSM paying much attention to any of the candidates right now, it's early still...sure the cable news outlets are because they are very political...but the left leaning outlets there are more concerned with ripping the front runners apart...not promoting the most likely to lose, they have to win the nomination...you know who the left is most afraid of?...Romney....maybe Perry is getting the buzz because he IS the most likely to get the Nomination and lose to Obama...of course they aren't promoting Ron Paul...they aren't promoting the fat kid off the Bob's burger sign....know why?....because he isn't going to win the nomination either.
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Well you have to admit. We have been on the same road to hell for a long time, it's just a different driver at a different speed.


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Actually I don't believe that...what is this road to hell that you refer to which every president since Carter has had us on?...explain it.
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We need real reform...real downsizing of this current behemoth beaurcracy....real job creation...
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Wouldn't reality dictate that none of this is going to happen with either party or political candidate?
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it's not about the ideas obviously, it's about the R.
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Actually it is about ideas, but most importantly ideas that a president can get enacted, to do that they also have to win the presidency, that is an important factor...if you would like to respond to any of the substance?...feel free anytime.
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Ron Paul is the only constitutionalist. That's a conservative in the truest sense of the word. I want to conserve what the founders created. Paul's the only one with an understanding of economics. He fully understands the principals this country was founded upon. He knows his history and philosophy. We either restore this country to what it was intended to be or you can stick a fork in us. This is our last chance. I've got my mind made up on freedom, individual liberty, sovereignty, and putting America first. Ron Paul is the only candidate with those values. Like judge Andrew Napolitano says, RP is a modern day Thomas Jefferson. This empire bullshit will destroy us, just like Rome. The clock is running out and we have precious little time if we want to restore the country.
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Re: How many of the people here who will vote for Ron Paul this election voted for Obama last time?
We need real reform...real downsizing of this current behemoth beaurcracy....real job creation...
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Wouldn't reality dictate that none of this is going to happen with either party or political candidate?
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it's not about the ideas obviously, it's about the R.
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Actually it is about ideas, but most importantly ideas that a president can get enacted, to do that they also have to win the presidency, that is an important factor...if you would like to respond to any of the substance?...feel free anytime.
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no, not anymore.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

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