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Like many of you I've been a little concerned about Elenin. Some of the evidence being forwarded that she's being followed by a dark star is somewhat compelling. I have a wife and three red-headed kids, so I've got to think about protecting them -- if -- the theories are provable beyond a shadow of a doubt -- to me.

Yesterday, I watched MrCometWatch's video:



I found it on this thread:
Thread: Elenin Now On Stereo B!

So I popped off an email to NASA's STEREO Director, Joseph B. Gurman. He's actually pretty cool. I've talked with him before, and he once admitted something I didn't think he would. I have a hunch he's no disinformant, but obviously I can't prove it. Just a gut feel. His candor surprised me. Comments and added information is in blue.
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Hi Joseph,
The internet community's abuzz about the object coming into view, which matches Elenin's trajectory:
[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]

That was not my video but this is my GIF:
[link to i.picasion.com]

I checked
[the STEREO] artifacts page and didn't see anything.

Has NASA released any statements about this?

Thank you,
Christopher de Vidal

-----

I'm pretty certain NASA is done releasing statements about Comet Elenin, given what a dud it turned out to be, but you never know.

The Internet community is a pretty big thing, but that part of it that's interested in Elenin may have a point, given the field of view of HI-2 and the predicted position of the comet:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] .

On the other hand the object near the left side of the field of view appears, to me at least, to be moving pretty much in lockstep with the stellar background (that is, due to STEREO Behind's orbiting around the Sun), but the space weather beacon mode images are of such low quality that I'm not even certain of that. Based on the movie link above, though, I'd expect the comet to be moving across the field of view, in the area between the left edge of the field of view and the earth, somewhat faster. If it gets to the apparent left-right position of the earth by mid- to late October, we'll know.

You can see the object back in the full-coverage imagery starting sometime early on the 17th. We usually get the full data about three days after the data were obtained onboard.

The HI-2 images consist of several onboard images that have been shifted to account for orbital motion, so they exaggerate the apperance of anything not moving with the stellar background.

I don't believe we saw the comet with STEREO Behind COR2, but the prediction is that it will be in the SOHO LASCO C3 field of view sometime today. Unfortunately, our coverage is very spotty because since GRAIL launched, Deep Space Network antenna time is at a premium; it may be some time before we get all the images back.

Sorry not to be able to be more definitive.

Best,
Joe Gurman

-----

Observation: If it's moving lock-step with the stars, in other words not moving all that much, that would seem to match the speed of Elenin in movie you gave me. For when I looked at the 19th-23rd, the position relative to STEREO doesn't move much left-right. So it fits.

Also, if it's true to size (and not camera artifact) it's REALLY BIG. Earth-sized!

Let me know if this is off-the-record, if so I won't tell anyone.

Thank you,
Christopher de Vidal

-----

Mystery solved! The same object appears in the same place every year:
(Update: To be precise, it appears about every 387 days, which happens to match the orbit of STEREO B.)
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
- In the Telescope field select 'Behind H2'.
- Resolution: 512x512
- Set the Display to 'Slideshow'
- Start and end dates:

20110920 20110921
20100827 20100828
20090807 20090808
20080710 20080711
20070617 20070618

The email I sent Joe didn't have the additional steps to see it correctly. I just added these, colored blue, in case you want to try it yourself. By the way, thanks to BoxerLuvr for posting this info.

Thank you for your candor!
Christopher de Vidal

-----

A colleague pointed out that what you're seeing is the Pleiades, and I should have known that, since they were in the HI-1B field of view a couple of weeks ago.

The stellar images are not, obviously, to size. There are both optical effects and some charge spreading (I believe).

I'm attaching a STEREO Ahead HI-1 movie that shows the comet. Turns out we _can_ see it in Behind HI-2 as well, but it's so faint you have a hard time convincing yourself; see a magnified version at:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] .

It helps to hit "Swing" and look at the approximately the vertical coordinate of the bright object (Mercury).The comet starts at the left hand edge of the image and gets to about the middle of the image before the movie ends.

By the way, nothing I'd every say is off the record. I get paid to give information away. The only time we're asked to exercise restraint is when a scientific result is about to be published in a for-profit journal (Nature or Science) and the publishers like to preserve their media surprises. It's pretty sordid, but NASA goes along. We end up having to remain mum, except to media folks who've agreed to observe the embargo period (usually only a few days). I'm not certain what purpose it serves.

Best,
Joe Gurman

========================


I don't mean to imply that Elenin isn't followed by a dwarf star, but I personally am not going to run for the hills over this footage.

Feel free to run for the hills but I won't be joining you. There's enough doom that any Democrat can verify with Wikipedia to make me a prepper:
Thread: 47 verifiable facts showing we're either headed for Dark Ages II or the Tribulation

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Yes, yes, I know. Never believe anything NASA says. Even when they admit the comet is still alive and kicking.

Also don't trust Leonid, he's obviously a paid disinformant.

And don't trust other space agencies, they're part of the NWO.

And don't trust amateur astronomers, they're just paid shills.

Only trust first-time YouTubers with shaky footage captured from an iPhone with a scratched lens who don't rule out other possibilities and who synch it to weird background music. They have LOTS to lose.

cruise

(If the Internet has done anything for us, it certainly has INCREASED our distrust of everyone.)

So that it's perfectly clear, all I'm saying is this:
* NASA official says Elenin hadn't disintegrated
* The photos of an Earth-sized object MrCometWatch posted were not Elenin, as far as I am concerned

I'm NOT saying this:
* I'm NOT saying what that large blob really is
* I'm NOT saying there is not a large dark star somewhere following Elenin
* I'm NOT saying there is not doom coming (DEFINITELY within my lifetime, probably within five years)
* I'm NOT saying Elvis is alive

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The Pleiades - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

are an "Open Star Cluster"
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This thing we are looking at is one huge "Something", planet, Star ... whatever it it.
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...So I post substantial evidence that Elenin IS still out there, but include substantial evidence that the spot on MrCometWatch's video ISN'T the comet...

...and I get two 1 star (complete BS) ratings.

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The Pleiades - [link to en.wikipedia.org]

are an "Open Star Cluster"
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This thing we are looking at is one huge "Something", planet, Star ... whatever it it.
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The blob re-appears every year. See the details above.

Feel free to run for the hills but I won't be joining you. There's enough doom that any Democrat can verify with Wikipedia to make me a prepper:
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that made me smile

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The middle one EARNED his red hair. He's given us:
* Terrible ones
* Terrible twos
* Terrible threes

In two months, he turns four........... terrible fours?
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I'm pretty certain NASA is done releasing statements about Comet Elenin, given what a dud it turned out to be, but you never know.

The Internet community is a pretty big thing, but that part of it that's interested in Elenin may have a point, given the field of view of HI-2 and the predicted position of the comet:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] .

On the other hand the object near the left side of the field of view appears, to me at least, to be moving pretty much in lockstep with the stellar background (that is, due to STEREO Behind's orbiting around the Sun), but the space weather beacon mode images are of such low quality that I'm not even certain of that. Based on the movie link above, though, I'd expect the comet to be moving across the field of view, in the area between the left edge of the field of view and the earth, somewhat faster. If it gets to the apparent left-right position of the earth by mid- to late October, we'll know.

You can see the object back in the full-coverage imagery starting sometime early on the 17th. We usually get the full data about three days after the data were obtained onboard.

The HI-2 images consist of several onboard images that have been shifted to account for orbital motion, so they exaggerate the apperance of anything not moving with the stellar background.

I don't believe we saw the comet with STEREO Behind COR2, but the prediction is that it will be in the SOHO LASCO C3 field of view sometime today. Unfortunately, our coverage is very spotty because since GRAIL launched, Deep Space Network antenna time is at a premium; it may be some time before we get all the images back.

Sorry not to be able to be more definitive.

Best,
Joe Gurman


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...So I post substantial evidence that Elenin IS still out there, but include substantial evidence that the spot on MrCometWatch's video ISN'T the comet...

...and I get two 1 star (complete BS) ratings.

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Its because your "substantial evidence" debunking mrcometwatch is sourced from another glp shill who spends all his time debunking anything to do with elenin / planet x / ufos

Really if you guys are so sure there's nothing to worry about, why do you feel the need to spend all day on glp debunking stuff for people you obviously think are retarded?

Go out and spend your millions of dollars with your hot gf in your sport car, like all the other rational glp skills seems to have

Leave all us kooks to Darwin, he'll sort us out..
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Its because your "substantial evidence" debunking mrcometwatch is sourced from another glp shill who spends all his time debunking anything to do with elenin / planet x / ufos
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The substantial evidince I had in mind was seeing the same exact blob last year, the year before, etc. I threw in the Pleiades stuff as icing on the cake.

Feel free to run for the hills, I won't be joining you. Though I'm still prepping for the other crap that's coming our way. See above.

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I removed the Pleiades link and video, they weren't essential and were causing problems. My convincing came from seeing the blob re-appear every year. See above.
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Like many of you I've been a little concerned about Elenin. Some of the evidence being forwarded that she's being followed by a dark star is somewhat compelling. I have a wife and three red-headed kids, so I've got to think about protecting them -- if -- the theories are provable beyond a shadow of a doubt -- to me.

Yesterday, I watched MrCometWatch's video:



I found it on this thread:
Thread: Elenin Now On Stereo B!

So I popped off an email to NASA's STEREO Director, Joseph B. Gurman. He's actually pretty cool. I've talked with him before, and he once admitted something I didn't think he would. I have a hunch he's no disinformant, but obviously I can't prove it. Just a gut feel. His candor surprised me. Comments and added information is in blue.
========================
Hi Joseph,
The internet community's abuzz about the object coming into view, which matches Elenin's trajectory:
[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]

That was not my video but this is my GIF:
[link to i.picasion.com]

I checked
[the STEREO] artifacts page and didn't see anything.

Has NASA released any statements about this?

Thank you,
Christopher de Vidal

-----

I'm pretty certain NASA is done releasing statements about Comet Elenin, given what a dud it turned out to be, but you never know.

The Internet community is a pretty big thing, but that part of it that's interested in Elenin may have a point, given the field of view of HI-2 and the predicted position of the comet:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] .

On the other hand the object near the left side of the field of view appears, to me at least, to be moving pretty much in lockstep with the stellar background (that is, due to STEREO Behind's orbiting around the Sun), but the space weather beacon mode images are of such low quality that I'm not even certain of that. Based on the movie link above, though, I'd expect the comet to be moving across the field of view, in the area between the left edge of the field of view and the earth, somewhat faster. If it gets to the apparent left-right position of the earth by mid- to late October, we'll know.

You can see the object back in the full-coverage imagery starting sometime early on the 17th. We usually get the full data about three days after the data were obtained onboard.

The HI-2 images consist of several onboard images that have been shifted to account for orbital motion, so they exaggerate the apperance of anything not moving with the stellar background.

I don't believe we saw the comet with STEREO Behind COR2, but the prediction is that it will be in the SOHO LASCO C3 field of view sometime today. Unfortunately, our coverage is very spotty because since GRAIL launched, Deep Space Network antenna time is at a premium; it may be some time before we get all the images back.

Sorry not to be able to be more definitive.

Best,
Joe Gurman

-----

Observation: If it's moving lock-step with the stars, in other words not moving all that much, that would seem to match the speed of Elenin in movie you gave me. For when I looked at the 19th-23rd, the position relative to STEREO doesn't move much left-right. So it fits.

Also, if it's true to size (and not camera artifact) it's REALLY BIG. Earth-sized!

Let me know if this is off-the-record, if so I won't tell anyone.

Thank you,
Christopher de Vidal

-----

Mystery solved! The same object appears in the same place every year:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

- In the Telescope field select 'Behind H2'.
- Resolution: 512x512
- Set the Display to 'Slideshow'
- Start and end dates:

20110920 20110921
20100827 20100828
20090807 20090808
20080710 20080711
20070617 20070618

The email I sent Joe didn't have the additional steps to see it correctly. I just added these, colored blue, in case you want to try it yourself. By the way, thanks to BoxerLuvr for posting this info.

Thank you for your candor!
Christopher de Vidal

-----

A colleague pointed out that what you're seeing is the Pleiades, and I should have known that, since they were in the HI-1B field of view a couple of weeks ago.

The stellar images are not, obviously, to size. There are both optical effects and some charge spreading (I believe).

I'm attaching a STEREO Ahead HI-1 movie that shows the comet. Turns out we _can_ see it in Behind HI-2 as well, but it's so faint you have a hard time convincing yourself; see a magnified version at:

[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] .

It helps to hit "Swing" and look at the approximately the vertical coordinate of the bright object (Mercury).The comet starts at the left hand edge of the image and gets to about the middle of the image before the movie ends.

By the way, nothing I'd every say is off the record. I get paid to give information away. The only time we're asked to exercise restraint is when a scientific result is about to be published in a for-profit journal (Nature or Science) and the publishers like to preserve their media surprises. It's pretty sordid, but NASA goes along. We end up having to remain mum, except to media folks who've agreed to observe the embargo period (usually only a few days). I'm not certain what purpose it serves.

Best,
Joe Gurman
========================


I don't mean to imply that Elenin isn't followed by a dwarf star, but I personally am not going to run for the hills over this footage.

Feel free to run for the hills but I won't be joining you. There's enough doom that any Democrat can verify with Wikipedia to make me a prepper:
Thread: 47 verifiable facts showing we're either headed for Dark Ages II or the Tribulation

[shameless plug]Just in case you DO run for the hills, these resources will help:[/shameless plug]
Thread: >>>>> MOTHER LODE - Big caches of free & legal survival/TEOTWAWKI/homesteading downloads <<<<< (Updated Jun 25 2013)


Yes, yes, I know. Never believe anything NASA says. Even when they admit the comet is still alive and kicking.

Also don't trust Leonid, he's obviously a paid disinformant.

And don't trust other space agencies, they're part of the NWO.

And don't trust amateur astronomers, they're just paid shills.

Only trust first-time YouTubers with shaky footage captured from an iPhone with a scratched lens who don't rule out other possibilities and who synch it to weird background music. They have LOTS to lose.

cruise

(If the Internet has done anything for us, it certainly has INCREASED our distrust of everyone.)
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that made me smile

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hf
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The middle one EARNED his red hair. He's given us:
* Terrible ones
* Terrible twos
* Terrible threes

In two months, he turns four........... terrible fours?
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Yes. Sorry to let you know. MY middle one has had terrible 1s through 13s. BUT he also makes me laugh the most, and shows his affection the most of my 3 boys. That is why he is still alive wink
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that made me smile

lol

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The middle one EARNED his red hair. He's given us:
* Terrible ones
* Terrible twos
* Terrible threes

In two months, he turns four........... terrible fours?
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Yes. Sorry to let you know. MY middle one has had terrible 1s through 13s. BUT he also makes me laugh the most, and shows his affection the most of my 3 boys. That is why he is still alive wink
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Haha! Ahh nooooo! Terrible 1s-13s! damned

The middle is SUPER smart. And smiles alot. But if you look up ADHD in the dictionary, you'll see a picture of John Paul. He gets bored easy, and gets destructive, or annoys the other two. God help him!

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Which part, the part where the NASA official admitted the comet is still alive?

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Which part, the part where the NASA official admitted the comet is still alive?
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because they can be. You have to wait and see what Elenin is all about.
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09/24/2011 09:42 AM
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Re: NASA official admits: Elenin has not disintegrated
All this fuss about Elenin when Nibiru is clearly getting closer! Look at the increasing evidence of the incoming brown dwarf, now visible in Wales, Pakistan, shown in infrared on STEREO, and getting bigger.
Focus on Elenin, lose sight of Nibiru.
It's as simple as that.
EyesoftheUnholy

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09/24/2011 09:53 AM
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Re: NASA official admits: Elenin has not disintegrated
Yeah, I'm sure it hasnt disintegrated. I'm not an astronomer or anything but I think I saw it in the sky the other day, Wednesday I believe. it looked just like the other amateur videos on youtube of a bright object being trailed by two tails that doing leave chemtrails in the sky. I am certain it wasn't a jet and I saw it with my own eyes and not a scope. It seemed to be moving pretty rapidly but I am not sure if this was Elenin or not.
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09/24/2011 09:58 AM
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Re: NASA official admits: Elenin has not disintegrated
Yeah, I'm sure it hasnt disintegrated. I'm not an astronomer or anything but I think I saw it in the sky the other day, Wednesday I believe. it looked just like the other amateur videos on youtube of a bright object being trailed by two tails that doing leave chemtrails in the sky. I am certain it wasn't a jet and I saw it with my own eyes and not a scope. It seemed to be moving pretty rapidly but I am not sure if this was Elenin or not.
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Exactly something is up there, but all the crap about Elenin etc... is distraction, i made the connection to the "horned hand sign" what elites are doing. Like if they would worship this thing, only conclusion is it is some alien ship.
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