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The Doom IS The Sun!

 
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absolute maximum is predicted for 2012/2013...but who knows? Maybe its starting to increase right now!
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it is...lol. its starting now and ending around that time- with a great peak i imagine.
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I love how people vote my karma down for exposing a lie because it goes against their beliefs of impending solar doom. You guys can't even get an original thought, you have to take up the same bullshit and manipulations presented to you because of that. Not only has the OP admitted he knows nothing about the subject but that all his beliefs are wrong and that the information is lacking and misunderstood. Intentional or not the OP is a liar. Regardless whether he created it or is simply reinforcing it.

I guess people really can't handle the truth.
 Quoting: Plasmare


WTF are you on about, I am not a scientist FFS,I am only reporting MY opinion on the current situation with regards the SUN, by providing links to aspects that are available to all. I am not a liar all the information I post is from reputable sources, all graphs etc are public domain..It is also something I am personally VERY concerned about and prepped for. SO get of my case man you dont have to read the TRUTH that is LINKED here! PLEASE NOTE PEEPS MY VIEWS ARE THAT MY VIEWS. The links however are not MINE!
 Quoting: NORMAL GUY


Yes, you are a liar. You clearly stated that the magnetosphere is weakening. You stated this is a FACT.

fact
noun
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth:
[link to dictionary.reference.com]

Yet that is not the case at all. Not only did you demonstrate your ignorance of the magnetosphere but you LIED about it getting weaker in order to sell your belief.

I don't think people realize that we have seen some of the strongest flares ever less than 10 years ago and we are still here.

Check this website

[link to www.spacew.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1543506


They're fucking ignorant morons, who know nothing, can't tell the difference between a CME or a flare and have no idea about anything except jumping on the solar doom band wagon. They're nothing more than cattle being led and manipulated to think a certain way, if you can even call it thinking. And obviously never paid any attention to the solar activity in the last maximum, nor understand the fact that we're experiencing something totally unexpected with the sun going through an extended and unpredicted period of extremely low activity. They don't seem to understand that this is how the sun normally behaves. Look at the activity of the previous cycle before you begin to buy into the hysteria. [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

Look at the facts, the data which clearly shows the activity we see now is nothing compared to what we've just been through last cycle. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
 Quoting: Plasmare


I dont think its the general activity that we are concerned about, its all the anomalies that seem to be coming with it, as you sated its CMEs that are more relevent, also the fact that the Magnetosphere is now at a far weaker state than in the previous solar cycle. These and the increase of extereme sin general I think are the main concern. Even NASA has been busy lately with press conferences etc.
Also this thread has some interesting info...
Thread: WATCH YOUR COMPASSES, THEY ARE MOVING!!! WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A SOUTH POLE! POLES CLOSE TO REVERSAL! NICT SIM STILL DOWN!
 Quoting: NORMAL GUY
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Thanks for the lesson! Therefore any anomaly in space can or will affect the magnetosphere correct? So if we were to have many flares and or CMEs they would have an impact of varying degrees on the Mag?Which in turn and under the right conditions could be extremely dangerous for the earth correct? What I am trying to point out is that this is the situation today. With the chances of a lot more activity in the coming days.
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Honestly, no offense but I think you should leave this kind of thinking for people with the capability to do so. Did you check the activity from the SOHO gallery for the last cycle? No. Did you check the sunspot plot? No. Did you understand anything I stated about the unprecedented solar minimum? No. I don't understand what you mean by anomaly in space, and I think neither do you. A CME cannot do anything to planet apart from causing aurora and injecting matter and energy into the poles via the magnetic field. The effects of these are too complex to go into and not fully understood. A CME is plasma, which are charged particles and are easily deflected by magnetic fields, so there is no chance of a CME burning anything unless the magnetic field was gone and that will most likely never happen except possibly during a magnetic reversal. Even then the two events must happen at the same time. And as I stated there is only one known cause of such reversals and if it does happen, a CME would be the least of your worries.

The only people who should really be worried about flares are those in the telecommunications industry, because it would affect their profits and business and those who use the ionosphere for communications like the navy.
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The possibilities of this quantum reality are infinate.

The only people who should really be on this forum are the ones that have shed their restrictive, capitalistic, viewpoint. (except the shills)
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I don't think people realize that we have seen some of the strongest flares ever less than 10 years ago and we are still here.

Check this website

[link to www.spacew.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1543506


They're fucking ignorant morons, who know nothing, can't tell the difference between a CME or a flare and have no idea about anything except jumping on the solar doom band wagon. They're nothing more than cattle being led and manipulated to think a certain way, if you can even call it thinking. And obviously never paid any attention to the solar activity in the last maximum, nor understand the fact that we're experiencing something totally unexpected with the sun going through an extended and unpredicted period of extremely low activity. They don't seem to understand that this is how the sun normally behaves. Look at the activity of the previous cycle before you begin to buy into the hysteria. [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

Look at the facts, the data which clearly shows the activity we see now is nothing compared to what we've just been through last cycle. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
 Quoting: Plasmare


there has been a large jump in regularity and size. this does not follow what would be expected.
also take into acount the amout of activity from each area of distrubance. the amount of flare from the spots and the time frame between the flare cross checked over the magatude of the flare. the spots the last couple of day are beating the flares during the last max in size and regularity. we are just comeing out of the min. and it was uncominly unactive. it is very rare for a sun spot to pass the western limb and come back around to the esatern limb still very active. what is most interesting is that is the same area where #1302 and #1304 have come from and 1283 is still there. [link to sidc.oma.be]
check it out the aging data to 2002
[link to hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov]
this is just flare activity.
now you also have to keep in mind where were the flares and CME'e headed. where was the dirturbance located on the solar disk. for some reason they are loated close to the solar equator. like back in Aug where there were several upper M class with CME's that did effect air travel for 3 hours in the morning when the CME's hit. I know my wife plane was delayed 3 hour at JFK in NYC. the airport was anouncing the flights delays were due to solar activity.

if you look at the position of the double digit flare from the 90's and 2003 they were not earth directed.
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I love how people vote my karma down for exposing a lie because it goes against their beliefs of impending solar doom. You guys can't even get an original thought, you have to take up the same bullshit and manipulations presented to you because of that. Not only has the OP admitted he knows nothing about the subject but that all his beliefs are wrong and that the information is lacking and misunderstood. Intentional or not the OP is a liar. Regardless whether he created it or is simply reinforcing it.

I guess people really can't handle the truth.
 Quoting: Plasmare


WTF are you on about, I am not a scientist FFS,I am only reporting MY opinion on the current situation with regards the SUN, by providing links to aspects that are available to all. I am not a liar all the information I post is from reputable sources, all graphs etc are public domain..It is also something I am personally VERY concerned about and prepped for. SO get of my case man you dont have to read the TRUTH that is LINKED here! PLEASE NOTE PEEPS MY VIEWS ARE THAT MY VIEWS. The links however are not MINE!
 Quoting: NORMAL GUY


Yes, you are a liar. You clearly stated that the magnetosphere is weakening. You stated this is a FACT.

fact
noun
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth:
[link to dictionary.reference.com]

Yet that is not the case at all. Not only did you demonstrate your ignorance of the magnetosphere but you LIED about it getting weaker in order to sell your belief.

I don't think people realize that we have seen some of the strongest flares ever less than 10 years ago and we are still here.

Check this website

[link to www.spacew.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1543506


They're fucking ignorant morons, who know nothing, can't tell the difference between a CME or a flare and have no idea about anything except jumping on the solar doom band wagon. They're nothing more than cattle being led and manipulated to think a certain way, if you can even call it thinking. And obviously never paid any attention to the solar activity in the last maximum, nor understand the fact that we're experiencing something totally unexpected with the sun going through an extended and unpredicted period of extremely low activity. They don't seem to understand that this is how the sun normally behaves. Look at the activity of the previous cycle before you begin to buy into the hysteria. [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

Look at the facts, the data which clearly shows the activity we see now is nothing compared to what we've just been through last cycle. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
 Quoting: Plasmare


I dont think its the general activity that we are concerned about, its all the anomalies that seem to be coming with it, as you sated its CMEs that are more relevent, also the fact that the Magnetosphere is now at a far weaker state than in the previous solar cycle. These and the increase of extereme sin general I think are the main concern. Even NASA has been busy lately with press conferences etc.
Also this thread has some interesting info...
Thread: WATCH YOUR COMPASSES, THEY ARE MOVING!!! WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A SOUTH POLE! POLES CLOSE TO REVERSAL! NICT SIM STILL DOWN!
 Quoting: NORMAL GUY

 Quoting: Plasmare


FFS man...STFU. The MAGNETIC FIELD is CHANGING...Read up on that that is factual...This AS YOU HAVE STATED is linked to the Magnetosphere, which is getting hammered daily, protecting us from the shit in Space, so if the MAGNETIC FIELD changes are having an effect on Earth they will also have an effect in Space, as they are interlinked. This is all available on the net.
Now as I stated these are MY views the INFO is not.
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NO matter what sun will destroy earth.
When it goes supernova lol.
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The sun will get 2 horns,THE SUN IS NIBIRU CAN'T YOU SEE PEOPLE!!!!




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I love how people vote my karma down for exposing a lie because it goes against their beliefs of impending solar doom. You guys can't even get an original thought, you have to take up the same bullshit and manipulations presented to you because of that. Not only has the OP admitted he knows nothing about the subject but that all his beliefs are wrong and that the information is lacking and misunderstood. Intentional or not the OP is a liar. Regardless whether he created it or is simply reinforcing it.

I guess people really can't handle the truth.
 Quoting: Plasmare


WTF are you on about, I am not a scientist FFS,I am only reporting MY opinion on the current situation with regards the SUN, by providing links to aspects that are available to all. I am not a liar all the information I post is from reputable sources, all graphs etc are public domain..It is also something I am personally VERY concerned about and prepped for. SO get of my case man you dont have to read the TRUTH that is LINKED here! PLEASE NOTE PEEPS MY VIEWS ARE THAT MY VIEWS. The links however are not MINE!
 Quoting: NORMAL GUY


Yes, you are a liar. You clearly stated that the magnetosphere is weakening. You stated this is a FACT.

fact
noun
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth:
[link to dictionary.reference.com]

Yet that is not the case at all. Not only did you demonstrate your ignorance of the magnetosphere but you LIED about it getting weaker in order to sell your belief.

I don't think people realize that we have seen some of the strongest flares ever less than 10 years ago and we are still here.

Check this website

[link to www.spacew.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1543506


They're fucking ignorant morons, who know nothing, can't tell the difference between a CME or a flare and have no idea about anything except jumping on the solar doom band wagon. They're nothing more than cattle being led and manipulated to think a certain way, if you can even call it thinking. And obviously never paid any attention to the solar activity in the last maximum, nor understand the fact that we're experiencing something totally unexpected with the sun going through an extended and unpredicted period of extremely low activity. They don't seem to understand that this is how the sun normally behaves. Look at the activity of the previous cycle before you begin to buy into the hysteria. [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

Look at the facts, the data which clearly shows the activity we see now is nothing compared to what we've just been through last cycle. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
 Quoting: Plasmare


I dont think its the general activity that we are concerned about, its all the anomalies that seem to be coming with it, as you sated its CMEs that are more relevent, also the fact that the Magnetosphere is now at a far weaker state than in the previous solar cycle. These and the increase of extereme sin general I think are the main concern. Even NASA has been busy lately with press conferences etc.
Also this thread has some interesting info...
Thread: WATCH YOUR COMPASSES, THEY ARE MOVING!!! WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A SOUTH POLE! POLES CLOSE TO REVERSAL! NICT SIM STILL DOWN!
 Quoting: NORMAL GUY

 Quoting: Plasmare


check this thread about the power grid.
Thread: will solar activity make countries turn off the power?

and read up on this

[link to science.nasa.gov]


and think back to 1858 it happened once it will happen again no-one knows when.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Hazards
Massive X6.9 class solar flare, August 9, 2011. While this flare produced a coronal mass ejection (CME), this CME is not traveling towards the Earth, and no local effects are expected. [7]Solar flares strongly influence the local space weather in the vicinity of the Earth. They can produce streams of highly energetic particles in the solar wind, known as a solar proton event, or "coronal mass ejection" (CME). These particles can impact the Earth's magnetosphere (see main article at geomagnetic storm), and present radiation hazards to spacecraft, astronauts and cosmonauts.

A massive solar flare could knock out electric power for months.[8]

The soft X-ray flux of X class flares increases the ionization of the upper atmosphere, which can interfere with short-wave radio communication and can heat the outer atmosphere and thus increase the drag on low orbiting satellites, leading to orbital decay. Energetic particles in the magnetosphere contribute to the aurora borealis and aurora australis. Energy in the form of hard x-rays can be damaging to spacecraft electronics and are generally the result of large plasma ejection in the upper chromosphere.

The radiation risks posed by coronal mass ejections are a major concern in discussions of a manned mission to Mars, the moon, or other planets. Energetic protons can pass through the human body, causing biochemical damage,[9] and hence present a hazard to astronauts during interplanetary travel. Some kind of physical or magnetic shielding would be required to protect the astronauts. Most proton storms take two or more hours from the time of visual detection to reach Earth's orbit. A solar flare on January 20, 2005 released the highest concentration of protons ever directly measured,[10] taking only 15 minutes after observation to reach Earth, indicating a velocity of approximately one-third light speed, giving astronauts as little as 15 minutes to reach shelter.
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You ones do know what this thread looks like don't you. Well.....

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Why are most of the world leaders disappearing starting the 26th???
Why is congress leaving for more than a week starting the 27th??
Why is obama going to a deep underground base starting the 26th, and the 27th??
Why is the vatican shutting down as of the 25th???

Now tell me something is not going on, and why we should be not be worried??

WAKE UP PEOPLE, SOMETHING IS UP, AND IT'S NOT GOOD!!!
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I'm not saying these space events have no effects on the planet, I'm only pointing out they're not going to cause the end of the world. Everyone is so focused on the activity on the sun rather than what's causing the sun to act so strangely since the last cycle.

If this keeps up all the ignorant masses will be paying for the shielding and precautionary measures with their taxes for telecommunications companies instead of them having to pay for it all. It's not that hard to shield against some protons and not all electrical devices can be affected. People would know this if they actually had the correct information instead of these beliefs and opinions based upon misunderstood information.

At 21:51 UT, Monday 2 April 2001, active region 9393 unleashed a major solar flare. Now reclassified as at least an X20, it appears to be the biggest X-ray flare on record, most likely bigger than the one on 16 August 1989, also an X20 flare, and definitely more powerful that the famous 6 March 1989 flare which was related to the disruption of the power grids in Canada.
[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

It's not the actual flare that caused the Carrington event, nor the CME, it was the SEP event (solar energetic particle). Basically high energy cosmic rays, which can come from the sun or interstellar space. A tiny fraction of CMEs can cause such events, about 1%.
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I love how people vote my karma down for exposing a lie because it goes against their beliefs of impending solar doom. You guys can't even get an original thought, you have to take up the same bullshit and manipulations presented to you because of that. Not only has the OP admitted he knows nothing about the subject but that all his beliefs are wrong and that the information is lacking and misunderstood. Intentional or not the OP is a liar. Regardless whether he created it or is simply reinforcing it.

I guess people really can't handle the truth.
 Quoting: Plasmare


WTF are you on about, I am not a scientist FFS,I am only reporting MY opinion on the current situation with regards the SUN, by providing links to aspects that are available to all. I am not a liar all the information I post is from reputable sources, all graphs etc are public domain..It is also something I am personally VERY concerned about and prepped for. SO get of my case man you dont have to read the TRUTH that is LINKED here! PLEASE NOTE PEEPS MY VIEWS ARE THAT MY VIEWS. The links however are not MINE!
 Quoting: NORMAL GUY


Yes, you are a liar. You clearly stated that the magnetosphere is weakening. You stated this is a FACT.

fact
noun
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth:
[link to dictionary.reference.com]

Yet that is not the case at all. Not only did you demonstrate your ignorance of the magnetosphere but you LIED about it getting weaker in order to sell your belief.

I don't think people realize that we have seen some of the strongest flares ever less than 10 years ago and we are still here.

Check this website

[link to www.spacew.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1543506


They're fucking ignorant morons, who know nothing, can't tell the difference between a CME or a flare and have no idea about anything except jumping on the solar doom band wagon. They're nothing more than cattle being led and manipulated to think a certain way, if you can even call it thinking. And obviously never paid any attention to the solar activity in the last maximum, nor understand the fact that we're experiencing something totally unexpected with the sun going through an extended and unpredicted period of extremely low activity. They don't seem to understand that this is how the sun normally behaves. Look at the activity of the previous cycle before you begin to buy into the hysteria. [link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

Look at the facts, the data which clearly shows the activity we see now is nothing compared to what we've just been through last cycle. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
 Quoting: Plasmare


I dont think its the general activity that we are concerned about, its all the anomalies that seem to be coming with it, as you sated its CMEs that are more relevent, also the fact that the Magnetosphere is now at a far weaker state than in the previous solar cycle. These and the increase of extereme sin general I think are the main concern. Even NASA has been busy lately with press conferences etc.
Also this thread has some interesting info...
Thread: WATCH YOUR COMPASSES, THEY ARE MOVING!!! WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A SOUTH POLE! POLES CLOSE TO REVERSAL! NICT SIM STILL DOWN!
 Quoting: NORMAL GUY

 Quoting: Plasmare


This is an oz SHILL , i never thought they had one before.
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You ones do know what this thread looks like don't you. Well.....

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As much as I hate you Candace, I'm forced to agree with you. More fear mongering based upon nothing more than speculation and ignorance.
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I'm not saying these space events have no effects on the planet, I'm only pointing out they're not going to cause the end of the world. Everyone is so focused on the activity on the sun rather than what's causing the sun to act so strangely since the last cycle.

If this keeps up all the ignorant masses will be paying for the shielding and precautionary measures with their taxes for telecommunications companies instead of them having to pay for it all. It's not that hard to shield against some protons and not all electrical devices can be affected. People would know this if they actually had the correct information instead of these beliefs and opinions based upon misunderstood information.

At 21:51 UT, Monday 2 April 2001, active region 9393 unleashed a major solar flare. Now reclassified as at least an X20, it appears to be the biggest X-ray flare on record, most likely bigger than the one on 16 August 1989, also an X20 flare, and definitely more powerful that the famous 6 March 1989 flare which was related to the disruption of the power grids in Canada.
[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

It's not the actual flare that caused the Carrington event, nor the CME, it was the SEP event (solar energetic particle). Basically high energy cosmic rays, which can come from the sun or interstellar space. A tiny fraction of CMEs can cause such events, about 1%.
 Quoting: Plasmare


so you say its acting strange now...what do you think is the reason?
the interstellar cloud, local fluff, local bubble?
COMET ELENIN, NIBIRU???

say what you think
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I am now convinced that if the Denver threads have any truth, it is ti do with the Sun..The sunspot 1302 is on fire, Multiple C-Class, 2 X-Class, and another very large M just now! The x ray absorption is way higher than I have previously seen, and if we get a few more flares/and Cmes and are then hit by a Biggy when its earth directed...Welll it could be fun!
[link to www.solarham.com]
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
It is also a pity that NICT is still down, as I am sure there would some interesting anomalies with it...I suppose now we just watch and wait...
 Quoting: NORMAL GUY


OP, have you seen this other thread?

Thread: September 28, 2011, This is it.

It starts out with this posting:

I have wealthy family members who live in Aspen, Colorado and they are accepted members of The Elite Community. They attend frequent gatherings with some of the wealthiest people on the planet.

From time to time they repeat conversations they have with many of these trillionaires we never see interviewed on television. Last night my cousin told me that he was attending one of those private gatherings. Security was more intense than Obama's Secret Service he said. Many of these elite flew in to Colorado from the east and west coasts, some from other parts of the world. Why? To join other VIP elites in the government bunkers on Sept. 27, 2011.

And what do they expect will happen? A massive solar flare they were told will wipe out billions of people worldwide!
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I am now convinced that if the Denver threads have any truth, it is ti do with the Sun..The sunspot 1302 is on fire, Multiple C-Class, 2 X-Class, and another very large M just now! The x ray absorption is way higher than I have previously seen, and if we get a few more flares/and Cmes and are then hit by a Biggy when its earth directed...Welll it could be fun!
[link to www.solarham.com]
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
It is also a pity that NICT is still down, as I am sure there would some interesting anomalies with it...I suppose now we just watch and wait...
 Quoting: NORMAL GUY


OP, have you seen this other thread?

Thread: September 28, 2011, This is it.

It starts out with this posting:

I have wealthy family members who live in Aspen, Colorado and they are accepted members of The Elite Community. They attend frequent gatherings with some of the wealthiest people on the planet.

From time to time they repeat conversations they have with many of these trillionaires we never see interviewed on television. Last night my cousin told me that he was attending one of those private gatherings. Security was more intense than Obama's Secret Service he said. Many of these elite flew in to Colorado from the east and west coasts, some from other parts of the world. Why? To join other VIP elites in the government bunkers on Sept. 27, 2011.

And what do they expect will happen? A massive solar flare they were told will wipe out billions of people worldwide!
 Quoting: Biochemky


Ye I am reading it now! I am afraid to admit it though incase I get shot down again for MY opinion by our Aussie friend. I wish I hadnt given a common sense statement now.
@ plasmare, the last post you did had good info, and I think you even agreed with me on a few points, look fella I am not an expert, i am only giving mu opinion on what I see and have read, also if you look at NINs thread there is more of the same there. What I do feel is that IF there were ever to be a major earth related event, it will be to do with solar activity, be it a frying or a cooling..Also I am convinced, as are many that there is a big correlation with solar activity and earth changes! Peace fella I hope I am wrong, as I said in my first post we will have to wait and see.
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I'm not saying these space events have no effects on the planet, I'm only pointing out they're not going to cause the end of the world. Everyone is so focused on the activity on the sun rather than what's causing the sun to act so strangely since the last cycle.

If this keeps up all the ignorant masses will be paying for the shielding and precautionary measures with their taxes for telecommunications companies instead of them having to pay for it all. It's not that hard to shield against some protons and not all electrical devices can be affected. People would know this if they actually had the correct information instead of these beliefs and opinions based upon misunderstood information.

At 21:51 UT, Monday 2 April 2001, active region 9393 unleashed a major solar flare. Now reclassified as at least an X20, it appears to be the biggest X-ray flare on record, most likely bigger than the one on 16 August 1989, also an X20 flare, and definitely more powerful that the famous 6 March 1989 flare which was related to the disruption of the power grids in Canada.
[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

It's not the actual flare that caused the Carrington event, nor the CME, it was the SEP event (solar energetic particle). Basically high energy cosmic rays, which can come from the sun or interstellar space. A tiny fraction of CMEs can cause such events, about 1%.
 Quoting: Plasmare


so you say its acting strange now...what do you think is the reason?
the interstellar cloud, local fluff, local bubble?
COMET ELENIN, NIBIRU???

say what you think
 Quoting: Snear


This thread isn't about that and I'm not going to derail it from the subject matter. This is not about what I think. People love to use the Carrington event to somehow prove the sun is going to destroy us (which in X billion years it will eventually) yet they don't even understand the nature of the event, with people confusing the white flare it's famous for with a CME. It's the high energy particles which caused all that to happen. Neither the flare nor the CME were DIRECTLY responsible but somehow caused a SEP event strong enough to reach the surface.

The same sort of high energy particles we see in cosmic rays could in theory also cause such an event and if the heliosphere continues to weaken we will continue to see an increase in cosmic rays entering into the inner solar system and reach Earth.

The only facts here are that the sun has finally began to resume its activity and hopefully will continue to do so and reach the maximum with no more unexpected surprises like the deep and extended solar minimum we've recently just experienced. That the OP has no understanding of the subject and clearly lied about the magnetosphere weakening and is doing nothing more than regurgitating the same information the mainstream media want you to swallow and digest, therefore his opinion is worthless.

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I am now convinced that if the Denver threads have any truth, it is ti do with the Sun..The sunspot 1302 is on fire, Multiple C-Class, 2 X-Class, and another very large M just now! The x ray absorption is way higher than I have previously seen, and if we get a few more flares/and Cmes and are then hit by a Biggy when its earth directed...Welll it could be fun!
[link to www.solarham.com]
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
It is also a pity that NICT is still down, as I am sure there would some interesting anomalies with it...I suppose now we just watch and wait...
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I'm not saying these space events have no effects on the planet, I'm only pointing out they're not going to cause the end of the world. Everyone is so focused on the activity on the sun rather than what's causing the sun to act so strangely since the last cycle.

If this keeps up all the ignorant masses will be paying for the shielding and precautionary measures with their taxes for telecommunications companies instead of them having to pay for it all. It's not that hard to shield against some protons and not all electrical devices can be affected. People would know this if they actually had the correct information instead of these beliefs and opinions based upon misunderstood information.

At 21:51 UT, Monday 2 April 2001, active region 9393 unleashed a major solar flare. Now reclassified as at least an X20, it appears to be the biggest X-ray flare on record, most likely bigger than the one on 16 August 1989, also an X20 flare, and definitely more powerful that the famous 6 March 1989 flare which was related to the disruption of the power grids in Canada.
[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]

It's not the actual flare that caused the Carrington event, nor the CME, it was the SEP event (solar energetic particle). Basically high energy cosmic rays, which can come from the sun or interstellar space. A tiny fraction of CMEs can cause such events, about 1%.
 Quoting: Plasmare


so you say its acting strange now...what do you think is the reason?
the interstellar cloud, local fluff, local bubble?
COMET ELENIN, NIBIRU???

say what you think
 Quoting: Snear


This thread isn't about that and I'm not going to derail it from the subject matter. This is not about what I think. People love to use the Carrington event to somehow prove the sun is going to destroy us (which in X billion years it will eventually) yet they don't even understand the nature of the event, with people confusing the white flare it's famous for with a CME. It's the high energy particles which caused all that to happen. Neither the flare nor the CME were DIRECTLY responsible but somehow caused a SEP event strong enough to reach the surface.

The same sort of high energy particles we see in cosmic rays could in theory also cause such an event and if the heliosphere continues to weaken we will continue to see an increase in cosmic rays entering into the inner solar system and reach Earth.

The only facts here are that the sun has finally began to resume its activity and hopefully will continue to do so and reach the maximum with no more unexpected surprises like the deep and extended solar minimum we've recently just experienced. That the OP has no understanding of the subject and clearly lied about the magnetosphere weakening and is doing nothing more than regurgitating the same information the mainstream media want you to swallow and digest, therefore his opinion is worthless.

The only thing I hate more than ignorance are liars.
 Quoting: Plasmare


so you're afraid to tell us what you think?
it wouldn't be off topic if you told us about the reason for the sun's behaviour..
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I am now convinced that if the Denver threads have any truth, it is ti do with the Sun..The sunspot 1302 is on fire, Multiple C-Class, 2 X-Class, and another very large M just now! The x ray absorption is way higher than I have previously seen, and if we get a few more flares/and Cmes and are then hit by a Biggy when its earth directed...Welll it could be fun!
[link to www.solarham.com]
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
It is also a pity that NICT is still down, as I am sure there would some interesting anomalies with it...I suppose now we just watch and wait...
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OP, have you seen this other thread?

Thread: September 28, 2011, This is it.

It starts out with this posting:

I have wealthy family members who live in Aspen, Colorado and they are accepted members of The Elite Community. They attend frequent gatherings with some of the wealthiest people on the planet.

From time to time they repeat conversations they have with many of these trillionaires we never see interviewed on television. Last night my cousin told me that he was attending one of those private gatherings. Security was more intense than Obama's Secret Service he said. Many of these elite flew in to Colorado from the east and west coasts, some from other parts of the world. Why? To join other VIP elites in the government bunkers on Sept. 27, 2011.

And what do they expect will happen? A massive solar flare they were told will wipe out billions of people worldwide!
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My wife's cousin is a Lord and a 100 x Trillionaire, I can tell you this his words in their entirety.

"What a load of Bollocks"
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here comes the sun
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^THIS^ From SNEAR
Yes please tell us, I am not an ignorant liar as you make out, I am happy to listen to logic from you, I am only reporting a view i have with regards the things we are experiencing NOW. So stop derailing ME. If the thread dies so be it, but I will still be here, and will continue to participate.I did not even think this info would instill such a reaction, as it is available for all to see and read. I follow solar and earthquakes everyday, and have done for over 2 years, I look at correlation on a common sense level, that is what I pointed out..IF THE THREADS ABOUT DENVER HAD ANY TRUTH..I think the culprit would be sun related. Everything on this site is 50/50 fact and fiction, until a tragic event such as the Japanese quake occurs, then the % changes accordingly. This is a very informative place, and when we take all with a little bit of salt until a major event it is still 90% bullshit free. If I have missdirected anyone I apologise, BUT I still stick with MY opinions. That is what makes me me...

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You just need to keep the beliefs separate from the observations. Don't try to make the observations fit beliefs. Take the observations and come up with reasonable explanations.

As for you Snear, I'm not afraid, I just have ideas and possibilities that I have come up with from what scientists have discovered in various fields of study. When it comes to something the scale of the sun, there are only 2 possible explanations for the behaviour. That something is happening internally which we cannot see or that something external is influencing it. And the only possible external source is the interstellar medium in which the solar system is currently immersed in. A changing galactic environment would cause changes in the solar environment. And at this point in time there is plenty of evidence showing that the solar system is entering a denser region of the local fluff.

Our present knowledge of the interstellar medium surrounding our heliosphere comes either from astronomical observations that average over long lines of sight or in situ measurements of the neutral gas and larger dust grains that penetrate the heliosphere. Interstellar Probe will, for the first time, directly sample the physical properties of the interstellar medium, free from uncertainties that plague the interpretation of data acquired over astronomical lines-of-sight, and free from uncertainties arising from the exclusion of plasma, small dust particles and low-energy cosmic rays from the heliosphere.

The Sun is located near the edge of a great void in interstellar matter known as the "local bubble" that is filled with hot low-density plasma. Several thousand years ago the Sun entered our local interstellar cloud (LIC), one of several nearby clouds composed of warm, low density (~0.3 atoms/cm3) material blowing at us from the direction of the Scorpius and Centaurus constellations.

During the Sun's journey through the Galaxy it encounters a range of environments, and interstellar densities ranging from 10-5 to 105 atoms/cm3 are observed in our galactic neighborhood. Hydrodynamic simulations show that if the solar system were to enter a typical diffuse cloud with a density of 10 atoms/cm3, the size of the heliosphere would shrink by nearly a factor of ten, with significant effects on the interplanetary environment at 1 AU. By targeting Interstellar Probe to fly upstream of the Sun's motion, it will explore the future environment of the solar system over the coming decades.

[link to interstellar.jpl.nasa.gov]
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You just need to keep the beliefs separate from the observations. Don't try to make the observations fit beliefs. Take the observations and come up with reasonable explanations.

As for you Snear, I'm not afraid, I just have ideas and possibilities that I have come up with from what scientists have discovered in various fields of study. When it comes to something the scale of the sun, there are only 2 possible explanations for the behaviour. That something is happening internally which we cannot see or that something external is influencing it. And the only possible external source is the interstellar medium in which the solar system is currently immersed in. A changing galactic environment would cause changes in the solar environment. And at this point in time there is plenty of evidence showing that the solar system is entering a denser region of the local fluff.

Our present knowledge of the interstellar medium surrounding our heliosphere comes either from astronomical observations that average over long lines of sight or in situ measurements of the neutral gas and larger dust grains that penetrate the heliosphere. Interstellar Probe will, for the first time, directly sample the physical properties of the interstellar medium, free from uncertainties that plague the interpretation of data acquired over astronomical lines-of-sight, and free from uncertainties arising from the exclusion of plasma, small dust particles and low-energy cosmic rays from the heliosphere.

The Sun is located near the edge of a great void in interstellar matter known as the "local bubble" that is filled with hot low-density plasma. Several thousand years ago the Sun entered our local interstellar cloud (LIC), one of several nearby clouds composed of warm, low density (~0.3 atoms/cm3) material blowing at us from the direction of the Scorpius and Centaurus constellations.

During the Sun's journey through the Galaxy it encounters a range of environments, and interstellar densities ranging from 10-5 to 105 atoms/cm3 are observed in our galactic neighborhood. Hydrodynamic simulations show that if the solar system were to enter a typical diffuse cloud with a density of 10 atoms/cm3, the size of the heliosphere would shrink by nearly a factor of ten, with significant effects on the interplanetary environment at 1 AU. By targeting Interstellar Probe to fly upstream of the Sun's motion, it will explore the future environment of the solar system over the coming decades.

[link to interstellar.jpl.nasa.gov]
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thank you.
i've heard about it too...such an answer is more helpful than saying we're ignorant liars
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Well then lets all start getting along again and see if we can continue in a healthy manner. Seriously I do think that all is connected, and as Plasmare states, the Fluuf etc is interesting. @ Plasmare WTF did you come in guns blazing fella? I am as my name,I am a normal person who does read a lot, and am always open to learn. Can we start again now and continue to monitor the sun, with your input as well?
Also it was not me who gave you BK! Peace.
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Why are most of the world leaders disappearing starting the 26th???
Why is congress leaving for more than a week starting the 27th??
Why is obama going to a deep underground base starting the 26th, and the 27th??
Why is the vatican shutting down as of the 25th???

Now tell me something is not going on, and why we should be not be worried??

WAKE UP PEOPLE, SOMETHING IS UP, AND IT'S NOT GOOD!!!
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Well wtf should we do? After people "wake up", what do they "DO"?
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Stop with the Sun hating. Without the Sun we wouldn't be here. If the Sun was doom how come we're still here after millions of years. Stop with the Sun hating.
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After you wake up YOU STAY CALM5aafro
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