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How to prepare for a Solar Flare / CME

 
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How to prepare for a Solar Flare / CME
OK, so we all know that earth could be in some trouble soon due to a solar flare/CME but I do not see anyone talking about how to prepare.

Is there anything we can do to our electronics, like say a radio, to protect it?

Will gas generators work?

What can we do?
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Thing about real DOOM is that there isn't much preparing you can really do for it. Not till it happens. Stocking up on food and water is the best thing you can do, but get a weapon to protect yourself from the people who will be trying to kill you for your food.
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bump Make a faraday box and put your stuff in it to protect from a flare. Get yourself a gun to.
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Guns are no good if your ammo explodes. Someone was talking yesterday about the casing getting charged so much that it ignites the powder. I guess you should put your ammo in a metal box too.
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Protect the circuit boards in whatever electrical device that you want to preserve. Make sure power is disconnected to those devices
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Protect the circuit boards in whatever electrical device that you want to preserve. Make sure power is disconnected to those devices
 Quoting: myeyesropenow42


how does one protect the circuit board?
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Protect the circuit boards in whatever electrical device that you want to preserve. Make sure power is disconnected to those devices
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how does one protect the circuit board?
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Unplug all of the stuff you don't want to fry. then, take your microwave (unplugged) and put every item you can fit into it. It is a Faraday cage.
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What about wrapping stuff in foil?
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Protect the circuit boards in whatever electrical device that you want to preserve. Make sure power is disconnected to those devices
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how does one protect the circuit board?
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Unplug all of the stuff you don't want to fry. then, take your microwave (unplugged) and put every item you can fit into it. It is a Faraday cage.
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thanks man!
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the most vulnerable stuff will be comuications and anything conected to the grid.

a gas generator should still function but nobody is realy sure it depends on the size of the cme and where the generator is stored.

about the only thing to be a little susceptible in one is the electronic ignition (newer models) and you should be able to pick up a spare from a hardware/autopart or
smallengine repair place. wrap it in foil or better yet
put it in an ammo box and bury it

anything which has long wires is going to pick up a charge and could be dangerous both to electronics and people

for example stay away from fences

if you have comunications gear like ham and cb its going to be very susceptible because of the long antenna lengths

if possible disconnect and shield the units or have
shielded backups and replacement antennas.

just unplugging from the grid and unplugging long antennas
is going to help a lot.

storing sensitve equipment in a grounded metal enclosure
(matel garden shed or shipping container)is also going to
help a lot

computers and anything with a computer is going to be at risk this may also include your vehical.

its possible but spendy to get a replacement computer and other spares just in case but talk to you mechanc/tech
as to what may need to be replaced in your particular vehical.me i just drive a old truck.


everything we depend on could become scarce for a very long time after a big cme so also prepare for that eventuality.

not much use having a driveable car if the gas pumps dont work.
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Protect the circuit boards in whatever electrical device that you want to preserve. Make sure power is disconnected to those devices
 Quoting: myeyesropenow42


how does one protect the circuit board?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559661


Unplug all of the stuff you don't want to fry. then, take your microwave (unplugged) and put every item you can fit into it. It is a Faraday cage.
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i dont think this is an actuall fact but not sure the
microwave is shielded to a particular frequency i think
and may not work for cme and when you unplug it you also lose your grounding.
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anything which is important to your survival but currently relies on the grid should in some way be backed up
with non electrically dependant technologies.

alternate heat,cooking,lighting,water procurment and treatment etc etc.

its not even sure whether solar panels will be useable
after. i think they wont because of the lengths of wire most of them have connected.
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Guns are no good if your ammo explodes. Someone was talking yesterday about the casing getting charged so much that it ignites the powder. I guess you should put your ammo in a metal box too.
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A good slinghot can go right through 12" of balistics gel !!!!!!!
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There is a whistleblower on the Project CAmelot site named Henry Deacon he gives advice on what to do for a CME,he is in the interview section part 2 with this advice ex. Wrap items in cotton than aluminum and bury underground.
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There is a whistleblower on the Project CAmelot site named Henry Deacon he gives advice on what to do for a CME,he is in the interview section part 2 with this advice ex. Wrap items in cotton than aluminum and bury underground.
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yep this would work for sure
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would an old, gutted washing machine, dryer, refrigerator, etc, be a faraday cage?
26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like:

1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit
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would an old, gutted washing machine, dryer, refrigerator, etc, be a faraday cage?
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yep it should as long as its grounded even better burried
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would an old, gutted washing machine, dryer, refrigerator, etc, be a faraday cage?
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yep it should as long as its grounded even better burried
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pick those up for free on CL and sell them as faraday cages...I have a new business plan...
26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like:

1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit
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I have been eying several portable dog crates that I have and wondering if they would work as a Faraday Cage. They have larger gaps in the mesh. What does everyone else think about this option?

Image>> [link to www.dogcratesandpens.com]
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Re: How to prepare for a Solar Flare / CME
OK, so we all know that earth could be in some trouble soon due to a solar flare/CME but I do not see anyone talking about how to prepare.

Is there anything we can do to our electronics, like say a radio, to protect it?

Will gas generators work?

What can we do?
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Wear a sun hat buy beans
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I have been eying several portable dog crates that I have and wondering if they would work as a Faraday Cage. They have larger gaps in the mesh. What does everyone else think about this option?

Image>> [link to www.dogcratesandpens.com]
 Quoting: belay


I have read that something this would work. Lots of pics out there with similar designs.
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Guns are no good if your ammo explodes. Someone was talking yesterday about the casing getting charged so much that it ignites the powder. I guess you should put your ammo in a metal box too.
 Quoting: belay


Protect the circuit boards in whatever electrical device that you want to preserve. Make sure power is disconnected to those devices
 Quoting: myeyesropenow42


Thing about real DOOM is that there isn't much preparing you can really do for it. Not till it happens. Stocking up on food and water is the best thing you can do, but get a weapon to protect yourself from the people who will be trying to kill you for your food.
yoda
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Protect the circuit boards in whatever electrical device that you want to preserve. Make sure power is disconnected to those devices
 Quoting: myeyesropenow42


how does one protect the circuit board?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559661


Unplug all of the stuff you don't want to fry. then, take your microwave (unplugged) and put every item you can fit into it. It is a Faraday cage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450913


There is a whistleblower on the Project CAmelot site named Henry Deacon he gives advice on what to do for a CME,he is in the interview section part 2 with this advice ex. Wrap items in cotton than aluminum and bury underground.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1291569


yep this would work for sure
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1909238


would an old, gutted washing machine, dryer, refrigerator, etc, be a faraday cage?
 Quoting: Astrochik


Faraday 'cage'


A microwave will work but it is small-as will other heavy metal items


Even older cars will help-the thicker the metal the better-many newer cars are not metal...


EMP will take out most vehicles-older vehicles have a better chance of surviving


Sheet metal with some lead content in it-lead is toxic so keep hands clean and wash after contact


RF resistant paint which costs about 90 a gallon but is said to be effective

any paint with added aluminum flakes would likely help as well


reflective blankets for minimizing excessive heat and lack of power(GRID down) to run ACs or fans...or well pumps if one is not on city sewer


Underground is a good storage...unless one encounters EQ in the underground area...

metal boxes that are solid and not some knock offs.




water and food


light source for indoor growing if one can pull some power...and have protected electrical appliances...

seeds/water filtration

even that can be done with clean cotton cloth, and using a minimum of 3-4 layers but 5-6 will not hurt to filter water.


Relying on oneself, family, friends, and neighbors as many supplies will be inaccessible

I have worked on this for several years...back to basics-and no amount of preps will be complete.

things to entertain as the normal outlets for that will be slight...

books, puzzles, games, cards, carving, whatever...everyone who pulls through will adapt or perish.

Take care in all ways hf
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for the naysayers:
[link to www.empcommission.org]

"Dan replies:

It is a simple matter of making a better path for the energy to take rather than through you. The cage I designed uses enameled magnet wire spaced 3" apart horizontally. Across these are random crisscross wires creating an x pattern. Next each intersection the wire is soldered, then across the middle set in a strip of 12 ounce copper sheet 12" wide. Lay this around the center of each plane (i.e. wall and ceiling.) Solder connect the wires at random points to the sheet. Use wide strips of the copper to connect all the copper sheets together bind and solder. Then attach a heavy copper cable to a ground rod outside the building and bind and solder the cable to the copper sheet. Then sheet rock over it to hide it from damage and view. This cage is designed to absorb a wider spectrum of energies than a conventional Faraday cage."
[link to www.iahf.com]

[link to www.thepatriotscave.com]

Besides falling space debris or cometary debris, nuclear detonations also create EMPs.

Two types of EMP:
Polar or non polar EMPs

One is the issue.

[link to www.nocodexgenocide.com]



for bag option, Faraday bags
[link to faraday-bags.com]
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fortitudo et spes
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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ego et mea umbra
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Realeyesrealizereal​lies. C.

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[link to preparednesspro.wordpress.com]


for those interested~
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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ego et mea umbra
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Realeyesrealizereal​lies. C.

Thread: GIRD uP as GRID Collapses

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Thread: Frankenfoods for YOU (Page 2)

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Re: How to prepare for a Solar Flare / CME
Faraday's cages are almost totally ineffective in mitigating or attenuating particle radiation as is produced by a Coronal Mass Ejection from the Sun.

{b] Who ever has been telling you a Faraday's cage will protect sensitive electronics from particle radiation is ignorant.

The best solution for the average person would be to bury sensitive items under the ground in a metal box. Again, a Faraday's cage attenuates electromagnetic radiation, your microwave's cabinet is a Farday's cage in fact.But a Faraday cages won't do jack shit in the vent of a CME

A Faraday cage is a metallic enclosure that prevents the entry or escape of an electromagnetic field (EM field). An ideal Faraday cage consists of an unbroken, perfectly conducting shell. This ideal cannot be achieved in practice, but can be approached by using fine-mesh copper screening. For best performance, the cage should be directly connected to an earth ground.
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Don't forget after a Big CME there will be a meteorite storm as well.....
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Don't forget after a Big CME there will be a meteorite storm as well.....
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AC- How does big CME causes a meteorite storm? tomato

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How are humans going to hold up in Solar Storms,CME's, or EMP attacks? Would we have to be underground and/or wearing some form of protective helmet?
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And one important note about the Faraday cage...Your electronics should never touch the metal of the cage. So, don't forget the important step of wrapping your electronics in something that is non-conductive..such as cotton, cardboard...etc. Then it can go into the "cage"..metal box or aluminum foil wrap, or whatever.

I would suggest doing a search about building a Faraday Cage, although there is good advice here too.

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